Trolls on other sites being examined by the New York Times
The trolls bedraggling Harry Knowles are being field-studied by the Gray Lady.
We really like Harry Knowles over at www.Aintitcool.com. For some reason, he’s drawn himself as a space baby in the picture above on his site, but we say more power to him. Maybe he really is a space baby at heart. Unlike Leftists, we don’t impose our will on others. Let Knowles have his space baby dreams.
Joaquin’s from Texas and has spent a lot of time in Austin, where Knowles is based, and says he was a very nice guy on the two or three occasions in which he’s met him (at the Alamo Draft House, where Knowles hosts movie events…and not at some weird space baby convention Joaquin snuck off to). For the uninitiated, AintItCoolNews is a movie/TV site we’ve been following since 1997 or so. The site itself has existed for much longer than that, and like us, its creator just sort of stumbled into it one day. Knowles’ passion is movies, and he has a very interesting backstory, having grown up in a household full of old movie collectors, traveling the country selling posters and rare prints, decades before VHS tapes brought old movies home to everyone.
AintItCool is unapologetically liberal and, in our opinion, sexist and misogynist most of the time. They hate Hillary Clinton. They hate Sarah Palin. Endlessly, the young men who post in comments over there prove their heterosexuality and masculinity by taking nasty swipes at one another, making jokes about rape on a regular basis, and generally throwing their own feces at the walls of their mothers’ basements (and then making her clean it up, after she’s made them some Stouffer’s macaroni and cheese and served it with those little plastic sporks so they don’t hurt themselves).
We follow Hollywood because, unlike Republicans, we realize how much movies, television, and entertainment coverage shape public opinion in the political world. There is no ignoring Hollywood. It must be monitored constantly, even if you don’t like a single thing it puts out. Just because you refuse to see certain movies doesn’t mean millions of others won’t, and be influenced by them.
If you want to have any sort of grasp on what the public is thinking and doing, you need to understand what films are in the pipeline — because the massive budgets of those pictures mean the studios have spent fortunes investing in the market research and consumer analysis to scry into the future and know, to some degree of accuracy, what people will be in the mood to see in the next year or so.
From that, we try to extrapolate what mood people will be in when it comes time to vote. It’s not an exact correlation, but it’s helpful enough that we keep reading movie sites. And, of course, there are many more shots of shirtless Jake Gyllenhaal being awesome over at Knowles’ lair than we can ever find at RealClearPolitics, for whatever reason (RAAACISM!).
Today, AintItCool proved useful for another reason, as an article Knowles posted made us think about trolls on other sites, outside the political realm.
In short, Knowles has hateful, crazed, hobgoblins of his own to contend with, just as we have critters from Daily Kos and DemocraticUnderground who send us endless hate mail and various feces-coated nastygrams. Because he’s not gay, Knowles doesn’t get the charming “die from AIDS, faggots!” broken record we do, just because we don’t agree with the Left, but he’s a large red-headed main with a crazy goatee, so he receives unimaginably cruel remarks about his weight, his marital performance, his looks, you name it.
It’s brutal, and Knowles doesn’t wade into anything 1/10th as controversial as an average day around here — exempt whenever he’s talking about Star Wars or Star Trek, in which case passions ignite and the feces fly. The trolls over there become as riled up about SciFi movies and their merits as Leftists do whenever anyone fails to pay proper homage to their Lightbringer.
It’s actually quite legendary in Internet circles just how deranged “talkbackers”, as Knowles calls them, are over at AintItCool. So much so that the New York Times apparently wants to study them to determine why, exactly, these people are so mad — and why they vent that anger in such malicious, childish, and vengeful ways.
It’s surprising the Times shows any interest whatsoever in determined what makes “talkbackers” so unhinged. Clearly, the reporter is not making the connection that the “talkbackers” on AintItCool are Leftists, but Leftists who just don’t spend their time talking about politics. They talk about movies instead, mainly, but if politics does come up, they are 95% Kool-Aid drinking, hopium smoking, card-carrying Obots over there.
The same behavior they evidence on a movie site is the very same behavior they show over at Daily Kos.
Somewhere, in fact, we wonder if there’s a country garden site with a troll or two, wishing AIDS or other calamities on the editors and writers there, because they think azaleas are not getting the homage they deserve, because of RAAACISM! no doubt.
The Times won’t write the story that really needs to be written — namely, what’s wrong with an entire generation of young men that they are so chock full of hate, and vent that fire and brimstone so casually in “talkbacks”?
What drives these guys (and yes, it’s mainly guys who engage in the worst of this garbage, both at AintItCool and here)?
Do they have any idea how they come across?
Will a sizable percentage of them die from strokes and heart attacks, after living their first 18-23 years so consumed with all of that bile?
The New York Times is trying to interview Knowles’ trolls to figure out what makes them tick, but only in reference to a movie site.
The Times won’t connect that bad behavior back to the Left itself, and what its young, male adherents do every day all across the Internets in service to their Lightbringer.
Most bizarre of all, if you go over to AintItCool and read the comments on that thread, you’ll see many of the trolls HATE the New York Times, despite the fact both the Times and the trolls are clearly tools of the Left.
It’s interesting they aren’t buddy-buddy, since both bow before Dr. Utopia and his Golden Age of Hope and Change.
Perhaps those Leftists just hate everything and only want to watch the world burn.
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If these trolls are mostly men, then I wonder how much of the hatred displayed is in fact a result of feminism.
A lot of feminists are man-haters to the point that they are constantly ridiculing and putting down men. Some of these feminists end up as mothers. How do they treat their sons?
Now I think that is only half the story. One of the things going through my mind is that there is some sort of connection to the lack of meat in a diet that causes this unhinged behaviour. So it might not be those feminist mothers, but it could be their diet….
However, what if they were not vegans? That would mean that there must be another reason… hmm… did they go to a public school? Are they being taught by Marxist teachers?
Now, there is something in all of these possibilities. As a mother of three sons, I have had the opportunity to observe the behaviours of some teachers especially in the way that they treated girls and boys in the classroom. There were definite prejudices and the boys actually suffered because there were too many women teachers during their high school years. A good mix of male and female would be better. There were many things that I observed, and one thing is certain the way my boys were treated by the female teachers did affect their outlook to some degree, but certainly not to the point of being misogynists.
One of my sons had a flat mate who went to university in Sydney. This person was being influenced by the Marxists on campus. The turnaround in my son was “remarkable”. He changed quite a bit as far as politics are concerned – just not the conservative any more. The boys certainly learned a lot by mixing with the campus Marxists.
I should add here that when young people start attending college and university they are politically vulnerable. I know I shielded myself from the leftists at Melbourne University. I simply did not hang around with that crowd. In my day it was the anti-Vietnam war crowd. My own activism was to be pro-life.
Even in those days we had the violent clashes. It was always the Marxists and Anarchists who were responsible for the violence.
I think that a real portion of the problem is the fact that children are being taught Marxism.
Dr. Utopia’s mother was placed in a school where there were at least 4 Marxist teachers. She was a willing student at the time. She learned to question everything.
What happened with Anne Dunham is what is happening in all schools these days. The lack of discipline in the classrooms certainly is a real part of the problem.
However these trolls tend to be college age monsters. They have not worked a day in their lives and have no idea about the real world. The nastiness could stem from a number of factors, including being brought up in a one parent household, but that might not always be the case.
If there is parental influence, I guess looking at whether “daddy” is a unionist, a member of the SEIU would be a start.
Then there is the her um… you know… skin tone factor…. although that might be irrelevant where welfare is concerned. So there is another possible reason – are their parents on welfare?
Who knows with these kool aid drinkers? After all it could be that they are like this because they have never known God. Never heard about the 10 commandments…. have no respect for the rights and property of others etc. etc.
It’s not just men. It’s women as well. Women can be very vicious trollers. Believe me, I know – I’ve seen this happen and it wasn’t pretty.
There are LOTS of women trolls…You see them a lot of Sarah Palin’s page. Now they may be fake women…lol….but I’ve seen a lot of women trolls on other sites that are mainly women-oriented.
Lol, tell me about it. I’ve seen some pretty vicious women trolls on FB and other sites.
They’re particularly vicious towards Sarah.
I do not see as many women trolls, but yes I believe you.
I came across some on Facebook and they were vicious creatures. I came in for some of the viciousness… and I have always thought women to be vicious towards their own kind.
Ozzieaussie, I was educated by the nuns many years ago and I can assure that none of them were feminists. And yet they were merciless with the boys. There was obvious true bias. Not so much when they were “little boys” but when they started to show adolescent tendencies. I think they were taught to break or at least control the boys’ testosterone urges both in the fighting and with “the occassion of sin” with the girls. Haha. God love them, they actually believed they could do it!!
In Jr. high and high school, the boys were separated from the girls in separate schools. Nuns taught the girls and priests/brothers taught the boys. That seemed to work pretty well back then.
I think what the NY Times will find is that they are young, angry, brainwashed and confused. Testosterone issues. I, like you, came of age during the protests, feminism, anti-war, burn-down-the-campus 60′s. Our crowd did not run with them. We were part of the silent majority that just ignored them and voted for grownups. At least at that time, the protests started with young men terrified of being drafted into a war that no one understood, nor wanted to be part of and killed or maimed.
Then we had the civil-rights issues finally coming to a head with marches all over the country. All this while the women on both coasts were perculating against being marginalized and descriminated against. It seemed like the perfect storm.
I noticed that the more strident the argument they all presented, the more people turned away from them. The burning of Los Angeles, Newark, Detroit did nothing for the “movement” but harden attitudes and bias. People listened to Martin Luther King, but not Malcolm X. Women listened to Betty Ford about women’s rights, but not Bella Abzug. And the public listened to Dick Cavett and Walter Cronkite about the war, not Jane Fonday and John Kerry with his VAVW testimony before congress – even then we knew he was full of crap.
We have to make sure that our opposition to Dr. Utopia and his merry acolytes is not so strident that people tune out.
whoops – Jane Fonda not Fonday. Ha!
A lot of what you said is how I remembered it. We only got snippets from the USA at the time. We had our own moratoriums.
We did hear about the National Guard shooting those students… but hey they were rioting…not that I am condoning the action.
We also heard about the Weather Underground, the Symbionese Liberation Army, Malcolm X (only snippets) and Martin Luther King.
We got the news on the assassination of Robert Kennedy (probably the most decent one) and Sirhan Sirhan (hmmm… think about the name for a moment). We also heard about the assassination of Martin Luther King.
Then we heard about the growth of that women’s movement.
I also grew up with the nuns teaching us. The boys used to get the strap when they did something wrong….. then we separated at the high school level.
Maybe another explanation is that sitting behind a monitor, blackberry, or other device, vs. standing face-to-face and in-the-flesh, provides a layer of anonymity in a venue where someone can rant and rail with impunity. No fear of sanction or consequence. Sure, there’d be blow-back when fruitbats start spewing guano, but the technology has a built-in virtual firewall to separate the spew-er from the spew-ee’s return-fire. Why should a troll care what someone else thinks of what they said? They pissed in the petunia patch and that’s all that was important.
Trolls would behave differently, I think, in an actual, live, up-close-and-personal confrontation.
If there’s a downside to internet technology, it’s the lack of personal presence during communication. No face time, so to speak. That speaks volumes. And it does, apparently.
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I totally agree, they have “internet gogles” much like “beer gogles.” They think the internet makes them all powerful, b/c of their anynimity (spelling?) Bullies. Would they spew their vile to your face? No.
That many inhibitions fall away when the mode of communication is virtual, is an good point — and easily overlooked. Thanks for raising it!
this is a good explanation
I do agree with you… I put forward the more extreme reasons
Actually, OzAus, I think your reasons speak to the roots of the issue rather than the extremes.
Technology evolves, as it always does, as an adjunct, or in this case as a convenient weapon in the arsenal of goodies of users already predisposed to the problem.
Well put, in any case.
http://jimwalterpix.typepad.com
Lack of social or interpersonal skills is something today;s young people simply don;t have. Put them at a party (I mean a party in the traditional sense) or a reception or God forbid, a formal dinner and see how they deal with people one on one. There is such a lack of social grace or manners, but well, I suppose it is a learned skill. One has to learn to be considerate, to draw another person out, to be interested in what someone else says. I long for the days of the 18th century when conversation was an art and so was good manners.
Yes. And just watch those Jane Austen movies – it was proper manner to bow and curtesy, and conduct oneself in a dignified manner. We could all use this sort of manners these days.
What amazed watching those Austen movies, was how the protaganist handled their adversaries. They were so polite to them. Remember how Elizabeth handled the Bingley’s snobbish sister and Darcy’s aunt? Lack of decorum is something you trace back to the leftist radicals out of the 60s. I think it all came from that movement, the in-your-face level of debate and of course, the Alinsky-like debasing of political opponents.
One of the best scenes in the film and a fine example to all. The first time you witness the exchange, it leaves you stunned and w/ a smile on your face. Such class.
Oh, I LOVE Jane Austen! I read her books, watched all the versions on film…
I do relish the conversation, the wit, the courtesy. Notice how chivalrous the men are? Mr. Darcy. Mr. Knightly… Sigh.
aha I really am among friends. I love Jane Austen books. I must watch the movies again
I totally agree; I’m 23 and I’m seriously socially awkward a lot of the time. I think I get freaked out because there’s no universally accepted code of behavior and you never know when people are going to be total jerks to you.
M-23,
You’re a lot more ahead of the problem than you realize. The fact that you recognize a lack of code gives you a leg up.
This may sound oversimplistic, but the best way to behave in a situation where there’re no rules or codes is to treat others the same way you’d want them to treat you. Nature abhors a vacuum, so best way to fill the vacuum is with good stuff and you lead by doing. You can do it.
http://jimwalterpix.typepad.com
Thanks.
I wonder if the lack of social skills is related to the increase of television viewing, computers, video games, etc? Kids are just plopped in front of the screen and they “interact” with a machine?
I just remember how in Austen’s books, people socialized with each other. It was an art form to have manners and lively conversation. TV came in the 20th century, and I think it coincides with the decline in social graces. I could be wrong, though.
oops I meant Social skills is something young people lack.,,need to proof….
You guys are TOTALLY on target on this. I made the correlation between trolls and Hollywood about a year ago when I was all wrapped up in the Gosellin story. That unasuming, “normal” family who became famous exploiting their kids…but I had loved those kids and loved the show and then I found this site that was actually the sister of the brother of Kate Gosselin who started it way before they got in the mess and were exposed as frauds…she had insider knowledge and basically painted a picture of total evil when they were pretending to be this happy little family who just happened to have 8 kids…behind the scences it was not what the TLC producers were showing. Her site was EXACTLY like yours (minus being gay or anything…just knowledgeable). Every show she would outline what they were doing versus what reality was…and it was FASCINATING. When they became tabloid trash for the masses during that entire hoopla we watched as they hired PR people and consultants and the stunts they pulled and how the news media fed off of their tragedy and milked it and milked it…I tell ya…it’s all about $$$$$$. It was right there for the whole world to see because that sister-in-law had put up that website months earlier and it was outlined…daily…what the truth was. It was crazy. But it was a microscope on Hollywood and how it works…how the media works WITH Hollywood…it’s the same strategy for stars as it is politicians. Same consultants…same media exposure…it’s all the same.
Sorry…some clarification…it was the sister of Kate’s Gosselin’s sister-in-law. She started the website because she couldn’t take how fake the show was because Kate was going around to these churches begging for money because she was this poor mother with 8 kids and no money when in reality she was a freakin’ millionaire. Apparently the sister was real religious and couldn’t deal with that so she started the website to expose the fraud.
I remember that site!!! I wanted to watch/enjoy Jon and Kate Plus 8…but Kate was soooo mean spirited and such a drama/put down queen with Jon (who proved to be no prize either)…that I remember reading those pages (the sister-in-laws) and thinking ‘those poor kids.’
Boy was she ‘spot on.’
never watched the show, tlc seems to seek the out the weirdos!
kate, she’s on dancing with the stars..rated very poorly first time out.
Good. I’m glad she didn’t do well. I really don’t like her. I started watching and liking them and loving those kids!! They are the cutest little children. But then Kate got all witchy with Jon and I wondered how and why he put up with it being humiliated in front of millions of people. Then I stopped watching because it was aggravating watching Kate’s drama. Next thing I knew, they were having a public free for all and we find out that Jon is a little nuts too – Yikes.
What a terrible thing to use those beautiful children to become famous and make money. I hope the kids are able to rise above it.
pretty much all of Hollywood is exactly like that.
It it still there? I’d find it really interesting to read, even though I never watched that show.
It’s a generation of narcissists.
http://www.newsweek.com/id/194640
Narcissists are inherently children. When I look at people like this and their behavior is confusing, I compare them to the average young child and it starts to click.
It’s the four year old that clutches a bag of cookies, insisting that it’s his. It’s Veruca Salt. However if you’re four, a lot of that is appropriate. But if you’re 24 or 44, you were to have moved past that, and didn’t.
They lack the social skills because no one demanded maturity of them. Parents, schools, peers, other kids’ parents, society, whatever.
Truth is, Johnny ain’t special, Johnny has crap manners, crap behavior, little empathy and little hope for better in the future.
I agree with the author in this article that life used to take care of chutzpha. Get your butt kicked in life’s arena, it has a tendency to grow you some humility. Instead of a better understanding of their place in the world, they’re just pissed of that they didn’t get a trophy.
On a political note, it makes perfect sense if they buy into the whole socialism thing. Anything that doesn’t require them to stand on their own two feet and gets other people to write the check must sound like happy to them.
That’s my armchair opinon, fwiw.
Also, kids are coddled now. Its all about feelings and “self-esteem.” This nicely intersects with liberal ideology where its all about being taken care of and the nanny state. No one should have to feel pain or fail, big brother is there to take care of everyone. Many low information people fall for this line of thinking.
Yeah, their parents never call them on anything. It’s like that “Twilight Zone” episode “It’s A Good Life,” where this little six-year-old boy named Anthony has the power to do anything he wants by using his mind, and all the adults suck up to him so he won’t set them on fire or send them to “the cornfield,” never to be seen again. Making three-headed gophers and killing them? “That’s real good, Anthony. It’s real good that you done that. Real good.”
Real kids are just kids, but their parents act like they’re afraid to make them mad. The kid wails that the parent is mean and the parent gives in. Then fifteen years later they’re wailing that the teacher or the boss or the judge is mean, and the teacher or the boss or the judge goesn’t care – the kid has detention/is fired/is sentenced to eight to ten years.
* “doesn’t care”
Jack-in-the-box!
I just saw that episode recently! Reminds me of Obama… *shudder*
OT, So glad you used the wore ‘extrapolate’.
It is one of my favorite words!
The Boyz frequently use words that we don’t often see elsewhere, and I LOVE that in their writing. Any writer who sends me to the dictionary has my respect.
My personal new favourite from the Boyz is “scry”.
Please never use the elitist word Plethora. When spoken, it sounds like one is spitting. A multitude of synonyms are out there, i.e., multitule, assorted, infinite, numberless, abundance, many, etc.
Lol, I like the word myself…
Some of it is the lack of military discipline that used to be the “norm” in school. Many of these young men have no real role models. I think that inherent in ALL men is a desire to protect and serve, but we have essentially castrated young men in today’s society. There’s a good C.S. Lewis quote about that, but I don’t have it handy.
I honestly think that if we could get more of these kids into ROTC in high school, it would help immensely. These young men WANT discipline, and they want a “cause” to work for. They would learn to work for something greater than themselves, and they would learn the value of family.
Now, having said that, I remember the ridicule that kids in ROTC received when I was in high school, and I have a feeling it is still the same way now. However, I know that the young men and women who go into the service grow up much faster than their non-military counterparts, and they seem to be much less about themselves and more about their fellow man.
If BamBam keeps up his third-world tour of love, it’s not going to be much longer before many of these young kids are going to have to join up…
The one benefit that our country is seeing from the past 20 or so years is that we have many of these “kids” coming back from their tours of duty in the Middle East and going into public service – many of them are now running for office, and that can only benefit our country.
Also, one of my friend’s sons is in the service, and one of the things that he told his mom several years ago was that the Army has a lot of “cool toys”. I think if some of these young men knew what the armed forces has in terms of firepower that they can “play” with, there would be a whole lot more of them signing up!
This same young man is currently applying for a job with the FBI – if he gets in, the country will be in very good hands, indeed…
Teresa, these are good points.
One of the many commendable things about Israel is the role of the army in national life — service is compulsory (with some unfortunate exceptions that ought to be ended), and thus this cul-de-sac where our own mothers’-basement-nihilists end up, is closed off in advance.
I’m not advocating that we change to such a system, of course — but it is something to ponder.
The draft that existed here in America up through the 70s was great. Young men from every social stratus and every state were thrown together willie-nillie and had to play nice. They were forced to put group good above individual good. They learned to tolerate other opinions, other beliefs because the Army wouldn’t allow them to do otherwise. And it cut the apron strings. Not even the fiercest helicopter Mom could steamroller Little Timmy’s drill instructor into giving Little Timmy a pass on a well-deserved punishment detail.
With the end of the draft, we’ve lost that source of national coherence. And our young men have lost that chance at personal growth and maturity.
I fully support the wish of today’s military to not reinstitute the draft. The military wants willing guys who want to learn and advance. The military doesn’t want to “make a man” out of a bunch of spoiled brats.
Despite that, though, I think America is the poorer for the end of the draft.
You do realize that Obama wants to use that idea for a civilian force? I’m a little wary of national compulsory service…
And the draft was a bad thing for the army. Vietnam proved that. It’s better to have people serving who WANT to be there voluntarily, than to force people to serve, imho.
Theresa, you are right. Obama knows this and is taking advantage of it with his youth corps – his volunteer corps and his national community organizing. He’s “organizing” our youth – and sometimes with ideas that don’t agree with their parents or most of the citizenry. We have to keep an eye on this. It could be troubling.
With the less then 30s, I believe it’s the endless agression that they grew up watching on TV and movies with no consequences.
My teenager used to be deep into Anime when he was a tween. Every espisode of Dragon Ball Z, Bleach, or whatever would be lots of nonsensical fighting. The fighting would usually follow someone having a total rage meltdown over basically nothing. Every episode would always have these words:
“I’m going to DESTROY you.”
These trolls are nerds. They’re ready made to be fans of anime. Their bile is getting on the keyboard to battle:
“I’m going to DESTROY you.”
Rage over nothing.
During the primary of the previous election cycle I would follow what was going on in the Democratic primary by visiting liberal sites. I didn’t really pay attention to who was making what comment but just getting perspectives on the issues. I was amazed at how caustic and vitriolic the comments were. These people were from the same political party and it was awful. I can’t say the hate came from one side or the other because frankly I didn’t pay that close attention.
I know people hide behind anonymity on the web but it was remarkable. I thought the hate for Bush over the 8 years was just for him. There is a lot of hate on the left. I don’t see the same amount of hate on the right although we are portrayed as racist, homophobic hate mongers. Maybe it’s just me stuck in my litle corner of the world. I would be interested in other’s view on this.
You don’t see that level of hate on the right. People are called hate mongers by leftists, b/c of projection. That is the bottom line.
In the R party, pro-choicers and pro-lifers are both welcome. Look at how the D’s handle their pro-lifers, there is no room for them or even moderate of conservative Dems. Hillbuzz is a perfect example of this.
If you use the search function, Hillbuzz documents how the Left has treated them. They have documented it pretty effectively.
http://video.foxnews.com/v/4122597/james-cameron-attacks-beck
Glenn Beck did an EXCELLENT show yesterday explaining why the left is trying to paint a picture of the tea party as racist and violent. Most of Obama’s “advisors” are radicals fromt he 60s. They WERE violent. They were unsuccessful in the 60s with their agenda because public opinion turned against them because of the violence (Bill Ayers bombing the pentagon). So they’ve completely reversed things. They’ve become “the man” and they are trying to turn the public on the tea party…much the way the public turned on them in the 60s. So you have the liberal media and these radical socialists day after day after day calling the tea party people racist and radical for a reason. It’s also why they gloat and push everybody’s buttons to unbelievable levels. They are trying to PROVOKE the tea party people into doing stupid things so they can capitalize on it. His show was a lightbulb moment for me yesterday.
This video is about the james cameron part of the show. I wish they had that first part on video..of him showing how all of Obama’s people are the 60s radicals.
Exactly. Think of the Vietnam war protests, the PETA protests, the civil rights riots, the anti-nuclear protests. Its another example of the “when we do it its justified, when you do it its criminal” mentality. One or two congressmen get called a bad name and MSNBC is morally ‘outraged’ at the spectre of the opposition to their every unconstitutional whim being a little ‘in your face’ ( to quote Obama ). What a joke these simps are! Barney Franck has been called worse than ‘faggot’ by his own boyfriends (hookers) and has survived. He’ll live. I’ll send him a sympathy card. In the meantime he can go F**k himself.
Absolutely correct, Bev. And I think there is something in the Alinsky play book about that – covert something.
If you are ever in a protest group of tea partiers or 9-12 people and someone uses racist language or threatening language, stop them immediately – you bring in the law enforcement yourselves. Then you make sure a press release is sent out deploring the conduct of the person. Always get the name and info about the person – important for follow-up research. More often than not, the person will be a plant. If you can document that, a second press release should be sent out with that information. We can stem this covert action real soon if we out them for what they are – political miscreants.
Ohhh that would be a GREAT idea for the Hillbuzz guys…to infiltrate a protest group organized by the libs and get some undercover camera action on them describing how they were planted to make the tea party people look bad. Priceless. Only thing is you’d have to do it secretly somehow without being exposed so you’re not in danger.
Also, remember these same people burnt down Palin’s church and not a peep from the MSM.
What about that guy who got beat up by the SEIU in MO?
These stories are being made up by Pelosi to distract what they just did over the weekend.
Here’s a link to a Facebook group: Republican Tea Party Watchdog
Grouphttp://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=111231905559416&ref=mf
It’s describe as (direct quote): With the Republican Tea Party and their violent behavior, we must out them for their violent anti-American behavior. We must not allow this to go unnoticed.
What’s so sad is that so many people automatically believe that it’s Tea Partiers and/or Republicans doing this.
They also automatically believe that everyone opposed to the HC bill/Obama is a Republican.
Update: I scrolled to the bottom and it says the group has changed its name but when I clicked on the link, it took me to my FB main page.
It’s not just men who behave this way. There is a very large website/community at ravelry.com. Ravelry is a site for knitting, crochet and other yarn crafters. Most of the members are women, who love to knit. But, those women can be as ugly, rude, obnoxious as the worst trolls here.
The discussion threads over there are BRUTAL. The site creators are pretty liberal, and there are far more liberal discussion boards than others. During the presidential campaign, a group of conservatives created their own discussion group and called it the Bunker. It was their place to discuss politics with like-minded people. Naturally, they were accused of calling it the bunker because they were racist-nazis. It flamed up all over ravelry. The liberals trolled and attacked them. Ravelry shut down the bunker board, but not any of the hate-filled lib boards. Some women were kicked off of ravelry after taking their group to an off-site location to continue their discussions.
It was almost comical, if it weren’t such a good illustration of the hatred spilling into our daily lives.
I go there because I like knitting. I just stay out of the political discussions.
I saw EXACTLY the same things happen on a dance and a book forum. Like you said, the liberals assumed that if you do X and read Y then you were like them.
The “PALIN IS AN IDIOT!” threads that popped up were sickening. At first, the conservative posters tried to stay on topic, THEN they tried to debate it…..
Finally, they created their own board.
On the dance board, about a month later, one of the meanest Libs was whining “Where did _____ go?” This particular missing woman has the largest, most viewed, most comprehensive web site on the net about the art. She’s also VERY conservative and a big Palin supporter.
When it was explained to the Lib that___ was now posting on a smaller, apolitical board, she asked ‘why?’ I hope someone answered her because I didn’t have the nerve.
Same for a book board that I help form. The majority of posters are conservative, unlike all the other book boards of this genre’…. however the few lib members BEGGED us to keep it politically neutral.
To this day, I regret complying. Maybe that is what is wrong with conservatives. We play nice and comply so liberals always believe they’re right.
I am stunned at what I’m reading – flamewars on knitting, dance and book forums? Now I know those commielibs are just intrinsically miserable people. The arts allow an individual a pursuit that nourishes the spirit and provides an oasis from the slings and arrows of a tumultuous life. And still. the bitches . can’t . keep . a . lid on it.
I had the same experience except it was on a blog that deals with finances, (one would expect political commentary on that type of forum). I have removed myself from the fray, I just can’t take the chowderheaded commielibs that post lies and uninformed commentary. I used to show up just to shoot them down, but lately I have felt dirty just being there.
You know what they do? They drive everyone else away with their hate, and then when they have only each others’ hateful selves to play with, they come flocking to the normal people again.
“normal people” = conservatives, moderates, Indies, just anyone who doesn’t have a perpetual chip on their shoulder and unresolved authority issues.
Book forums I can see, but the thought of political flamewars on knitting and dance forums is just REALLY ridiculous.
I have a friend who started that nutrisystem diet thing and she said that when she joined and went to their blog forum that the whole thing was just full of people spouting about how capitalism had caused the country to become obese and healthcare would stop people from eating so much junk and therefore they could stop global warming by not eating cows and all this other liberal talking point garbage…it was ridiculous.
I own a small specialty bookstore. People are totally flabbergasted when they discover I am a Republican. It is just assumed that booksellers are far left libs, because so many are. Even the professional bookseller association for my specialty is heavily weighted to the left. I think that out of the fifty or so members of the group, there are only two of us who are not hard lefties. While the others in our association endlessly bashed W, he and I were the only two who stood up for him and many of his policies.
Just as in Hollywood, there has been a leftward trend in my specialty’s output. Two of my previously favorite authors felt obligated to add hateful, ignorant leftist opinion to their books. I no longer read anything by either author, nor do I recommend either one of them.
there have always been flamewars on such sites. Including lace sites. You get these people who think that they are just a cut above everyone else. They tend to be really elitist. In the end the best thing is to just leave… the ones I speak about are truly obnoxious individuals.
First they came for the books.
Then they came for the dancers.
Then they came for the knitters.
Finally they came for the…macramé?
This was the case across the full spectrum of internet blog sites no matter what the topic. It happened everywhere. It usually began with the Obama minions attacking Hillary and her supporters. They were maniacs and haters then, they remain so to this day, only they’ve focused their bile on the right now because they’ve silenced Hillary enough and have control over the DNC and the party apparatus.
I vow this though—
IF I ever start another ‘hobby’ board, I’m going to make it clear upfront that I am conservative and conservative views are welcome.
Liberals who want an ‘apolitical board’ (they always ask for that when they’re outnumbered) can just go take a hike.
just ban the liberals. it drives them bonkers! LOL
cool if you are into knitting and crochet then I know which board to join
actually the other kind that I detest are the liberals who insist that you cannot mention religion and that includes wishing people a “Happy Easter” or Merry Christmas. There was a knitting board that was like that.. I could not stand the way that the owner controlled it to that extent. It was ridiculous that she was controlling people so that they could not express any mention of God, and not even say “I will pray for you”
it goes way back.
I started serious blogging once I learned the truth about Terri Schindler-Schiavo… who was murdered by judicial fiat, with her husband being allowed to finish the job he started when she collapsed….
I saw all of the hatred of the trolls at that time. They were people who are poorly informed especially on the subject of ethics. It was disgusting.
When I run my own blogs I do not allow the troll comments. If they are nasty they get rejected and deleted. I refuse to have their comments on my blogs. That is just me….
These trolls think that they can silence people with their foul comments, but what I am now seeing is that people are hitting back, and telling them to just shut up.
Ha! I am one of the banned from Ravelry! I joined Rav right after the Bunker was closed down and I’m friendly with some of those gals. We are on FB too. I got banned because they deemed me troublesome after I complained that an avatar used by one of the progressive trolls there was really offensive to Christians (this person took a religious icon and photoshopped something disgusting with it). Of course, I’m the one that got banned, despite the fact that the troll violated Rav’s Code of Conduct, which is worthless.
I joined Ravelry and just never got involved. I am still there. I never go there.
I did, too. I remember getting in trouble on a knitting list for pointing out how insane it was that a woman made a comment about men and their stupidity, evil nature, because they had testicles. This woman suggested that another woman divorce her husband because he accidentally lost a knit hat that their two or three year old son was wearing (because no toddlers have been known to toss their hats before). When I countered by asking what it was about having a vulva that made women overreacting shrews (mimicking her language about men), and calling her on her completely out of proportion response to a woman’s vent about the loss of something she made for her son, I was the one “disciplined” and put on moderation.
Off list, I was applauded by all but one person who all wrote to me telling me how insane this woman sounded and how hard I’d get smacked by the moderators. Sure enough, I was moderated and the woman who spewed her vile words on men was not.
I left the list shortly after that. There was another incident where people were talking about places they knit, some mothers talked about knitting at play groups and at their children’s activities as well as discussing child friendly knitting shops. This was deemed off topic and banned. Discussions about knitting in meetings or at the office were considered on topic. I left at that point.
Wow, such a coincidence you mention this; I’m kind of a new knitter, and I discovered ravelry about two months ago, lurked there for a bit, and had to stop because of all of the hateful speech there. I want to find a good knitting board that is either apolitical or open to conservative/independent political voices but I haven’t been successful!
Just had to chime in on this because of the talk about the influence of Hollywood to our culture. Alfonza Rachel was saying something about this topic in a speech to Tea Partiers in Dallas. What he said sort of struck a cord with me for a couple of reasons. He said conservatives need to take back our culture…basically infultrate Hollywood and the music business and WE should support those producers, actors and musicians. When the rest of the BUSINESS sees there is money in putting out a conservation Love America message, they will start making more.
The reason why this made me think was my daughter. She is only 11 but dreams of being a Broadway star. To be honest, up until I changed my thought, this made me nervous. While I certainly want her to follow her dreams, I was also nervous about all the influences she would encounter in these situations. Shoot, her drama teacher in Middle School now is a libtard, so I can just imagine how much worse it will get. But then I thought, “why NOT her”? Maybe she could be part of this revival of our culture to once again revile in our founding fathers, the Constitution and America the beautiful! She has a good start as she just did her school speech on her most exciting moment (meeting Sarah Palin) and she got 2nd place in her class (a class taught by an Obamabot with a female moustache). So there is hope!
I’m encouraging my daughter to be a lawyer because of her speaking abilities. She now wants to be a Supreme Court Justice.
Public speaking doesn’t just help you in theatre. It helps you to stand up, period.
That reminds me, they said that one of the best ways to get into law school was to be a theater or music major! I guess it’s all “performing” when it gets right down to it. I just hope she is able to influence the others in her classes rather than them feeding her lies.
English is good too.
English departments in colleges are the most progressive – I guarantee that your daughter will either be brainwashed into progressivism or will be ostracized for not conforming. I was an English major, btw…
I used to peruse AICN, but it seems like forever ago. He had interesting scoop. That and Blind Item were great reads.
You know where the trolls are absolutely bats**t is the WaPo. It was brutal during the primaries. Also definitely a major astroturf locus. All you have to do is check the kooky comments there and you know what the current astroturf assignment is. If you then look at news pages around the web, you see the exact same stuff.
It was a revelation to me that one (or was it 2?) of hillbuzz’s trolls were international. Wonder what the implications of that might be. Like in today’s WaPo is an op-ed about the Utopia/Netanyahu stuff and there is an eye popping level of anti-semitic hostility in the comments. Wonder how many of those commenters are international.
I read Krauthammer’s opinion piece in the WaPo every Friday and the trolls are always out in force gunning for him. Except after Scott Brown won they were very quiet. It was a startling contrast. I think the troll masters were recoiling from Brown’s victory and forgot to give out troll instructions.
HB noted that….
That’s an excellent observation.
What we grammas and mature younger people have that the trolls don’t have is truth…and perhaps even more importantly, patience. We will outlast them because they get bored and distracted so easily. Now that we’re on to them and understand their mission and their talking points, they show their teeth with more anger.
That reminds me of an old story my father used to love to tell [and my mother would be mortified]. Condensed version: It started with an old man who married a beautiful young girl and left her for a 65 year old woman who walked with a cane. The girl asked what the old woman could possibly have that she didn’t have. His answer was “patience”. He told that story every time one of us “youngsters” was impatient with anything we were attempting. Of course, when we were “old enough” to hear it and get it.
I think it’s some of ‘all of the above’ and then some.
Look around…the whole ‘culture’ has eroded at an alarming pace.
In less than 50 years, the US has gone from ‘Andy of Mayberry’ and ‘Leave it to Beaver’ to the unrecognizable creatures on the Jerry Springer show. Not to mention the odious ‘reality’ shows…’How Fat can I Get?’ or whatever the hell the current themes are.
I think, as usual, our awesomeaussieozzie has a good point at #1, when she mentions the feminist movement. I don’t think it was as much the lunatic fringe (Gloria Steinem, Friedan et al) as what happened when women started working full-time, en masse.
I’ve always believed that EVERYBODY should get ‘out there’ and realize whatever potential God gave them, and having a gratifying career is part of that.
BUT…I still think that when a woman has a child, her first responsibility is to that child, and she should put her career on hold.
Couples often don’t ‘need’ a second income, but quickly become addicted to the extra goodies it enables them to acquire and the lifestyle it affords. But at what cost?
So many young adults these days are the product of too many hours spent in the care of strangers (anybody other than their parents), parked in front of TV’s and playing video games.
It’s as if the caregivers and often the PARENTS are more concerned with keeping the kid occupied and out of their hair, than spending productive time with him and actually TEACHING the kid anything. I often ask myself why some people even HAVE kids if they have no interest in spending time with it.
When I think back to my own upbringing, my parents built into me an unshakeable set of morals and values which was reinforced constantly by (most) teachers, extended family and our church. We were very much like the Cleavers, now that I think about it, but my Dad wasn’t wimpy like the Ward.
Leaving the kid with strangers and going off to pursue a career has other negative consequences, not the least of which is parental guilt. This leads to all kinds of misguided overcompensation by providing the kid with all the gadgets and toys the parents think will make the kid happy. Add a packed schedule with as many ‘activities’ as possible…soccer, ballet, piano, gymnastics, etc., etc. in a frantic effort to ’round out’ the poor little creature. No wonder ADHD is epidemic.
All the kids really need is for their parents to be there for them.
I firmly believe that kids raised like this grow up to feel they have ‘missed out’ and become resentful.
Add to this the nightmare of divorce and it’s no wonder the poor kid grows up to be bitter and self-loathing.
Sadly, I don’t think there is a solution to this cycle of madness, under present circumstances.
“I often ask myself why some people even HAVE kids if they have no interest in spending time with it.”
Oh my God, I have to mention this woman who’s with my dad’s law firm…she has two kids and I swear to God, she’s only their mother in the technical sense. They’re with nannies all day and whenever either of them had some typical little-kid problem, she went out and hired a “coach.” Even when it wasn’t really a problem.
Kid took a few extra months to sleep through the night? Got a “sleep coach.” This woman got sick of changing diapers? She told her nanny that if the nanny could get the baby fully toilet-trained by eighteen months (!), she’d pay for the nanny’s entire wedding. There were at least two more “coaches” but I’ve forgotten what they were for.
As a side note, I was raised by a stay-at-home mom for my entire childhood, didn’t have a whole ton of gadgets, and had a lot of unscheduled time as a kid, and I have ADD. I think it’s genetic in my case; I didn’t get diagnosed until I was 22 and my mom got diagnosed shortly afterwards.
I’m off topic here, but couldn’t find another place to post:
Today is moneybomb day for John Dennis, who is running against Nazi Pelosi. Anyone have any thoughts on this candidate? Should we get behind him?
http://www.johndennis2010.com/
Oops. Sorry. I scrolled down to post THEN re-read the thread. I just got so EXCITED i hurried a bit too much.
I think it’s symbolic and nice that he has raised so much money and it shows the reaction of the people who are angry. Instead of blowing up the pentagon we will just vote these fools out of office. The one major miscalculation by the left is that they think we will be goaded into acting like THEM. We are nothing like them. We are smarter. They are more devious and corrupt…if they want that title they can have it. We have morals and karma on our side.
OT and I apologize. Who is John Dennis? He will be running against Nancy Pelosi. Moneybombs? Traditional door-knockig stumping? Just on general principal? She needs to go.
Oh and if he has already been mentioned/discussed my aplogies and ignore me!
I was thinking this morning….remember how last year right before the election the stock market crashed EVER so conveniently for the Democrats?
I fear they will try to pull another October surprise this year. What could they possibly do and how can we prepare for it? Hillbuzz…am I right?
How will a crash help the Dems?
The public will see that as an 0bama failure, remember – he was supposed to fix the economy.
The crash helped 0bama last time because he wasn’t in office yet.
I was not referring to another crash. I was referring to another trick.
Ah ha! Maybe they will trot out the old terrorist threat stuff, like ” Bin Ladin kills Americans” headlines. Right?
And that will only confirm the voters’ feelings that he is an inept, accidental, foolish, incompetent president. People who are not motivated to vote would RUN to the polls to pull the lever against the D’s. One thing the D party can’t now or probably in the far future convince any part of the voter population that they are better at counter terrorism, defending our country, and foreign policy.
PS – If they were thinking of an October surprise, it would probably be a domestic issue – possibly creating havoc with any groups that protest them and their policies. I fear that the most.
Possibly planting a “domestic terrorist” threat or action that will rally the people against conservatives, independents, moderates, or anyone that wasn’t to the left of Chairman Mao.
Most of the Porkulus money gets released late this summer, early this fall — just in time to buy enough temporary jobs to make the Dems look good.
If he tries anything it will probably be the “need” for marshall law & therefore no elections whatsoever.
Or to give them jobs on the various campaigns through political action groups and “community organizing groups”.
That money should be followed by a Sherlock Holmes from when it leaves the treasury building through every little hand that touches it. If any is given out to a 527 group and suddenly they have hundreds/thousands of “employees” to do registration or any voter assist or education programs then we’ll know what was planned for the stimulus money all along and why it hasn’t been given out to small businesses.
Knowles Trolls has a nice ring to it.
Having said that, Jesus said, the poor you will always have with you.
I say the same for the trolls.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/03/25/issa-calls-special-prosecutor-probe-allegation-white-house-job-offer/
The investigation, if it happens, will whitewash the whole thing. I applaud Darrel Issa for trying though.
Andy, that’s what everyone thought about the Nixon investigation into “dirty tricks” and “slush funds” of money. The NY Times wouldn’t touch it and the WaPo wouldn’t publish their own investigative reporters’ stories until they had what they considered good “proof” that there was more.
We’ve got Breitbart. If there is any “there” there, it will come out. And the D’s will be between the proverbial rock and hard place. How many times can the blue dogs “save his presidency” as he is wont to say when they don’t want to vote for his schemes…?
This is for the resistance folks in the great state of South Carolina re: election fraud, FYI-citizens in Texas and other applicable states have sent this information to their Attorneys General.
http://jbjd.wordpress.com/2010/03/25/open-letter-ag-mcmaster-sc/
Attorney General Henry McMaster has joined several other states in a civil suit to stop Obamacare, based on various claims that the scope of the legislation exceeds the authority reserved to the federal government under several sections of the U.S. Constitution. But given the mechanism by which the South Carolina Democratic Party certified the eligibility of candidate Barack Obama for the office of President of the United States, Mr. McMaster would have a much easier and less expensive route to contest this monstrosity if he would just exercise his discretion to investigate the charges of election fraud already filed with his office by the citizens of the Palmetto State.
Please, urge Mr. McMaster to spend your money more wisely by investigating your complaints of election fraud.
There is a mean spirited ugliness that does troll or llort the web. My gosh…I stopped posting/commenting on HGTV’s ‘Rate My Space’ because the commentary there was offensive, mean and ugly at times. I theorized that those who could show up, rip a 60 year old gramma, who proudly repainted her kitchen cabinets (in her double wide) as ‘Palin Trailer Trash’ as the ‘baby step’ (llort) and they would move up, after their ‘masters’ reviewed their venom, to troll at actual political sites.
There was no political commentary (like no one would take a photo of their front yard with a politcal sign and post it)…but it would creep in. Trailers were a ‘bullseye’ as were ‘Americana’ themed rooms; or in a wide shot of a room, lets say antlers (‘blood art’). Insanity. Now they did (and I am sure still do) moderate (I do stop by there still…because I love decor). But ugly stuff…even to the point of ‘shop at Goodwill much?’ sorta thing. Again…I would read and think ‘craig’s list blogger earning their mean/demeaning stripes.’
And that is a decorating site.
And I went there to get decorating/home improvement ideas without paying for magazines. (Shudders).
There are a few purported ‘neutral’ sites that are laughable in their Obotry. At one site for ‘intelligent’ women, the mere listing of Obama (without that title thingy that he usurped) was (drum roll!!!) RAAACIST!?!?! Yes…if you post ‘well, when Obama went to England’ you get mods pulling posts for the poster showing ‘disrespect’ by not using his TITLE…which I won’t use (well i will use, _resident, The Won, Teh Won, Dear Leader, the Messiah, and my new personal fave, Barky!)
Can you understand now why I come back here several times a day??? Last year, when I first read the HB use of ‘Dr. Utopia’ I was giddily stunned.
MQ-C
I’m not surprised.
Seriously, liberals don’t even realize they’re being cruel to people like them. They think they’re the majority in any discussion and in any group of people like them.
I’ve told this story before, but in my dance group (my hobby), I have a very diverse group– teenagers, over 60′s, tattoos, piercings, straight, gay (we have the only SHY drag queen in the world!)homeschoolers (one is Christian, the other Pagan) etc.
HOWEVER— oddly enough, we’re all moderate-right conservatives. Maybe because we all work and pay taxes.
ANYHOW, one day, a newby comes in and in two minutes she’s frantically wailing about how those evil Republicans are trying to take away all women’s abortion rights.
She’s met with dead silence. I think I spoke up and said, “Well, I believe personally, as a conservative, that abortion, while legal, is still murder.” She looked like I slapped her with a dead fish.
The next time, she was whining about how conservative the town was, and my most pierced-tattoo’d friend said “Well, we have a reason to be! We work hard for our money and we resent being taxed to death so it can go to those who refuse to work.”
Oh, did I mention that this friend owns and manages one of the towns biggest apartment complexes?
Did I mention this frantic whiner has a fashion degree and hasn’t worked outside the home in 5 years… while the rest of us ‘evil conservatives’ spend every day in the real world? Half of us in various types of health care?
Thanks for this anecdote. It certainly puts the lie to the “Right winger as wild-eyed bible thumper” meme.
Have you heard of the book Crunchy Cons? It’s about how you find conservativs in the most unlikely (read: MSM sanctioned) places.
How sad to rip a woman who is sharing her home. Downright cruel.
I have family who have deer heads on the wall. It is how they survived along with fishing, veggie gardens, and flowers for the fair. They are among the smartest people I know. My brother and I were in awe of them, we knew as city kids we were lacking most of the knowledge needed to survive if things went bad. Our dad even gave us various survival tips since he was a military guy, but we still didn’t know how to grow a garden or can food.
To mock people like that is extremely ignorant. Most of them couldn’t survive if the supply chain was broken for any length of time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6_NkT6HCm4
PLEASE…listen to this everybody. This is what I was talking about earlier about Glenn Beck’s explanation of why they are trying to paint the tea party as racist…I truly, truly, TRULY believe this.
Bev calm down.
Who does law enforcement and the military support?
the law.
Well the law has been rendered a relative concept, lately considering what is being done to our Constitution.
PA – that are laws are “fungible” can’t be very “calming” for Bev or the rest of us. But having the knowledge of that is a good thing.
Bev, I know how you feel. It’s difficult to live so many years and to know that in a very short time [less than 2 years] we’re seeing such a “transformation” of our government policies and process…and to know that radicals reside in the White House. They are getting paid as “advisors to the president”. There is absolutely nothing we can do about that, except to bring it into the public realm. Eventually it will sink in to those who ignore it now.
There are many people who worry that some plant from some shadow group on the left will do something so egregious that the public might “go along” with Marshall law or something similar. The reason people even entertain thoughts like that is the fact that Obama has always surrounded himself with radicals from the left, and with his “signature” legislation being passed we are now certain of exactly who he is and what he believes.
Don’t let it paralyze you with fear. Knowledge and truth is power, even if the knowledge is unsettling.
The research that Glenn Beck provides is important because none of it has been debunked. He provides a service in that way. But sometimes I can’t watch him for days/weeks at a time. I have to absorb what I just heard and that takes time for me. If I didn’t, my personality is such that I’d be running through the streets yelling “The sky is falling”. And that, although would be amusing to my neighbors, is not an efficient way to deal with what we have to accomplish…which is…voting the whole lot of his facilitators out of congress/senate so that we can slow him or stop him from “changing” much more.
I’m hot and cold on Beck. Sometimes he is hilariously funny, and other times he is just overwrought. He has done stellar and important work in exposing Van Jones. The communist influence in this nation harks back to before the Whittaker Chamber/Alger Hiss days , it’s just that instead of clandestine we now have the threat explicitly visible.
The hostile takeover of America’s own citizens is also a very real possiblity discussed by the Alex Jones crowd. Does that make it any less of a viable threat? No, I’m not a “kill the messenger” type of personality.
However: Has either Beck or Jones taken the idea of a hostile takeover of America’s citizenry to its logical conclusion? How would it be enacted? Who would be the agents of the takeover? And what would the implications be INTERNATIONALLY.
How would the Chinese, our largest creditor, react? What would happen to our bond rating?
What would the Eurozone, which hosts many of our military bases, have to say? We don’t live on an island, there’s too much at stake for this type of plan to be implemented.
If it does help to ease anyone’s worries, I’m a firm believer that there is a certain stasis that our nation has to maintain. And that any overreach of power one way will be met by a blowback in the opposite direction. We are now in the BEGINNING stages of the blowback. This is not going to be easy. We’re in this for the long haul.
Last week this blog was all about prayer and Psalm quotations reminding us all to trust in God and this week we’re all headed for the concentration camps. Was the Rationing Bill vote that demoralizing?
I found this website and it has a wonderful article about how they are after Sarah Palin.
http://www.conservatives4palin.com/2010/03/lying-liberals-target-governor-palin.html
Who cares. She has a birth certificate and the big Zero doesn’t.
Here’s a link to a blog posting called “The Old Jarhead: I’m Tired” that’s making the rounds via email:
http://tartanmarine.blogspot.com/2009/02/robert.html
His comments hit pretty close to home with the majority of Americans, I believe, and the comments reflect that. But what do you know, even The Old Jarhead has trolls… They really do feel the need to try and shut down any debate remotely critical of The 0ne.
Great blog post. I went to wish him well and take down some of the trolls with a choice phrase or two.
I hope that they are being met with efficient and deadly prose from our Marines, retired or active.
Geez, did he vote for Gore in 2000?
Great rant! And he wrote it before the Hellcare bill passed.
I bet he’s even more tired NOW.
Speaking of Hollywood and politics, I have to tell you guys about this…I was watching the movie “The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance” on TCM last month (I think) and there was this scene that immediately made me think of the Hillboyz. Jimmy Stewart’s character is a lawyer in a small old-west town who’s started a one-room school because he found out that a lot of the townspeople can’t read. In one scene he’s having the students review what he’s taught them about the Constitution and American government, and this tiny Swedish lady says (paraphrased), “We the people are the ones in charge. We hire the big shots in the government. And if the big shots don’t do what we want, we don’t vote for them no more!”
I miss Jimmy Stewart…and Bob Hope….and John Wayne.
Jack Benny, Kate Hepburn, Spencer Tracy, and Greta Garbo. They were stars!! Greta Garbo….she kept her mouth shut for decades…now isn’t that a role model for young Hollywood.
Me too..
M, I love TCM, too. If it wasn’t for it and Fox News, I wouldn’t need TV… except to watch videos.
Hey…if you have access to a radio…catch Rush’s show right now. He is ripping apart the RAAACIST claims and the ‘threats’ made supposedly to Congress peeps.
Ten Reps all say they were ‘threatened’ there are ‘threatened’ talking points; yet no video or audio (other than the 2 Stupak phone calls). Rush called out NancyPee and her ‘in your face’ walk across the street with the mallet (to beat down the Constitution–my editorilizing/joke).
Astro-bricking.
I liked Fox’ response…they were like…You wanna hear some violent audio of voicemails? Take a listen to OURS.
Yep your last comment would be the correct one imho – the far loony left are tortured hateful souls of one breed or another and have survived this long only because their lemming instinct makes them seem LARGER than they truly are – as they bunch together in tighter groups and shut OUT the rest of the world around them – in preference for their made up pretend world (either at the movies or home) emotionally lost! and full of sanctimony!
(from years hanging out at the dnc open thread and WOW could write a BOOK about the loonies that hung there)
Well, well, well….Republican Eric Cantor’s office just got SHOT AT by a leftist thug…so that pretty much blows the Leftist plan out the window does it not?
Can you link the story?
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/03/25/rep-cantors-richmond-campaign-office-shot-overnight/
I think the whip is the party member who goes around and ensures that the party members are on board for votes, etc. He also is in charge of discipline. Someone correct me if I’m wrong.
I just heard Cantor on the radio news and he said that he’s been threatened and harassed ever since he took public office, which is years ago. And he said that’s it’s not just because he’s a Republican, it’s because he’s a Jew.
Sicko lefties disgust me. They’re no better than the Gestapo.
He’s wrong. It’s because he’s a Republican Jew – not a Democrat Jew. Blacks, Jews, Hispanics that are not on the leftist reservation are aubject to the Alinsky method: “Pick the target; freeze it; personalize it; polarize it.” And when that doesn’t work?…threaten.
I’m happy to report my 21-year-old son is gay and he is a Republican. When the Democrats promised all their support to the gay community he did not buy it for one second.
Rush just played the Cantor clip. Republicans get death threats on a daily basis. Can imagine what Palin hate mail looks like?
Remember, her church was burnt down after the election.
That’s right. And remember when they hanged her in effigy in LA?
I also recall some sick cartoonist drawing a cartoon where he punches Sarah in the face… and remember the video of some football player body slamming Sarah (using a mannequin) for grins?
And the Donks complain about threats and intimidation?
These people make me sick! There’s a special place in hell for those who TRULY incite violence, and it’s not us Tea Partiers!
GOOD ONE!
Not to mention the rape talk beginning with Sandra Bernhard.
Its because he is a republican jew. Its fashionable in Democratic circles these days to bash the jews. Obama hates Israel. Democrats sympathize with Palestinians, muslims and terrosrists and it shows.
it’s just weird to me that the Jewish community is so liberal.
Well Hillbuzz has been telling us what slime they all are…they did it to Hillary. Which we need to remind ourselves that these leftist thugs are not just out to destroy the Republicans…they are taking over the Democratic party.
Hence:
Republicans – gone.
Democrats – gone.
Progressives = Ruling class.
As someone who lives and works in the “industry,” I have to deal with these people (both the Knowles Trolls and “professionals”—leftists all) and there’s a common thread binding them. (Excuse my generalities, but there’s truth there.)
This hatred we see exhibited by these groups mainly is born from their lack of struggle. The Knowles Trolls parasitically feed off their parent’s bosoms well past weening. The Hollywood Elite survive mainly by nepotism.
Having never had to work with their hands, hard-scrabble their way just to eat, they live in sheltered “utopias” where their ideas are never tested, and thus never fail.
They are angry and vitriolic, because they simply can’t understand, or fear, that should the veneer of their cozy lives be stripped away, they wouldn’t be able to survive in the real world.
It’s funny that we always get accused of being fear-mongers, but the only side which holds dear to its fears are the left.
The real anger is yet to come when Dr. Utopia and the Social Democrats are defeated both in November and then in 2012. (See Ann Coulter’s Canadian experience for a taste.)
Nevertheless, KEEP FIGHTING!
You’ve hit the nail on the head.
My above mentioned “Liberal Fashion Major” has never had it hard. Went straight from college into a cushy marriage and has never had to worry about anything.
When I tried to explain why I was a conservative and why I had issues with my ‘clients’ who had no desire but to collect their ‘stuff’…. she cut me off with a “But you had advantages they didn’t have! You were loved!”
Ah, she knew NOTHING about me, but she instantly assumed that I’d had HER life. (Far from it… FAR from it). I gave her the Readers Digest version of my life pretty much left her sputtering.
They have a picture painted in their heads and they don’t like people telling them otherwise.
That’s it exactly! I resent being told how I should be compassionate for the poor by people who make three or four times we do, don’t go volunteer at the soup kitchen and food bank, can’t be bothered to give money to charity, while we are somehow “lucky” to be able to be afford to have a parent at home. These people will say it to me while talking about all their vacations, their second new car, their huge house, their restaurant trips, etc. Don’t get me wrong, if you can afford those things, have at it, but don’t look at us in our small house with my husband working late hours and me taking care of our children with one car (we recently got a second vehicle, a 1980s Toyota truck so I didn’t have to leave the children at home while I drove my husband to work at 6:45 a.m.), taking vacations to family cabins (not ours), once every year or so, not buying all the gadgets, shopping every other day for new clothes, getting weekly manicures and pedicures. Even my husband comes home to do more work here. We work hard for what we have and for the life we have. We don’t resent it, though we are tired a lot, but it belittles us when people think it is somehow luck and not planning, budgeting, hard work and sacrifice that gets us this.
Then, they have the nerve to lecture us on our lack of compassion. You know what, I doubt they paid anyone else’s way for anything, especially when their own finances were tight, but we have done it repeatedly, out of love, out of duty, because others have done it for us, out of reverence for our God. We just don’t tell folks every time we do. I actually had one liberal tell me that she couldn’t decide between all the charities out there, so she’d rather the government took her money and distributed it “fairly.” For real. She just didn’t give to charity and relied on her tax money to count. Meanwhile, we meanie conservatives didn’t want to give because we didn’t want our incomes eaten by taxes. Even though we gave on top of that!
She also told me that she equated a woman taking a man’s name when she married to being raped. No sense of scope or perspective.
Sorry for the long rant, it just hit a nerve for me here.
Here’s a profound thought I was mulling in my brain. Wouldn’t the one thing the progressives fear the most be for the liberals and republicans to actually reconcile and come together? People like US…liberal, conservative, independents, moderates…if we came together in compromise to save BOTH parties that would pretty much neutralize the progressives would it not?
I was just talking to a friend of mine who I don’t normally talk to about politics. IN general, when we have talked, she’s indicated she is fairly liberal in her thinking. But today we went to lunch and she totally agreed with me when I said that no matter what side you are on…if you are liberal and for gay marriage or if you’re conservative and against abortion…we can have those discussions and come to an agreement in our communities and deal with it. But when it comes to THE MAN and the gov’t becoming huge and a giant nanny state….we are definitely all in agreement. I said that this country has the best system of gov’t (with limited powers) that there as ever been in the history of the world. And yet, people are willing to sit back and let it all go to pot because they don’t want to take any responsibility for themselves. She said she couldn’t agree with me more!!! THERE IS COMMON GROUND people…we need to harness it !!!
Exactly. This isn’t about the liberals or the conservatives. Both sides are about to be wiped out. We need to harness the middle ground. Both sides coming together is what is going to save the country. We have to debunk this anger that’s going back and forth.
When I saw Obama “daring the GOP” that just totally hit me in the face. It’s like seeing a magician flub a magic trick and seeing how it works. It’s not magic anymore. It’s a trick.
what’s wrong with an entire generation of young men that they are so chock full of hate, and vent that fire and brimstone so casually in “talkbacks”?
Because they’re ball-less wonders? talking smack on-line is easy. No one is going to take offense and punch you in the nose. At best, you’ll get your metaphorical ass kicked, and dragged thru the metaphorical muck. And you can metaphorically deny that you ever got your ass kicked.
Very rarely does someone show up on your doorstep because of something you posted on the Intertubes-thingy. So you can be as mean and vicious as you can, and act like a real tough punk.
’cause doing that in Real Life (TM, patent pending) gets you beaten. I suspect that most of them are smart enough to know that, or learned in the school of hard knocks…
And that’s why they align with the Left, because they can hide behind the thuggery of their tactics, and they’ll always be protected.
Cripes, even in the Mafia you can’t get in unless you make your bones. These numnuts just have to make it known they support the right team.
The absolute worse posting I ever saw still haunts me, probably always will. It was in a true crime forum, this 50 year old mean girl sent a picture of a dead baby with a toe tag to a woman who had just lost her baby at birth. There really are some horrid people in this world, oh and the woman was a raving liberal too.