Troll Dissection 101: The Romney campaign’s paid trolls are out in force attacking Herman Cain on conservative websites
Here’s a troll dropping that was just left on another thread — by what I presume to be either a paid troll working for Willard “Mittens” Romneycare or else a troll engaged by the Left in an effort to push Romneycare towards the GOP nomination.
It was left by a commenter who has never posted on HillBuzz.org before. I ran the screenname, email address, and IP address used by the commenter through the HillBuzz.org comments search engine and this person has never left a comment here before.
In the three and a half years I’ve been running this site, I have never seen a legitimate and real commenter leave this much in a first-ever comment. I’ve also never seen legitimate commenters use verbiage and syntax like this.
In my professional opinion, this is a Cocktail Party GOP establishment operative trying to demoralize Herman Cain’s supporters in an effort to push Willard “Mittens” Romneycare towards the Republican nomination…which is what the Left wants too, oddly enough, since Romneycare is exactly who (and what) Obama wants to run against.
Can you dissect this troll’s remarks and note exactly what identifies it as a troll?
Can you theorize what the troll’s objectives are?
Can you see the agenda at work here?
Posted on 10/30/2011
By: Independent Lady
I really like Cain and he is a breath of fresh air to watch, but have some serious concerns. He tried to be a politician in GA by running for office, but wasn’t elected. This doesn’t mean he is not a politician because he did not win.
His business is motivational speaker, and most of his stops around the country have been to promote his new book, he even used campaign funds to purchase a lot of them (which could contribute to his book moving up higher) and that seems to be his main focus. Also, he has no military experience which I think we have to have this time. Obama has put our boys in jeopardy by announcing to the enemy where they will be when & exact dates we are pulling out over the Generals’ advice objections.
Cain also has switched positions on abortion (pro-choice in interview, then pro-life) and I don’t like the way he pulled the race card about the Perry rock and then said lowkey the next day he believed Perry about his Father painting it when they began using the camp. He also said he would trade a hundred dangerous terrorists for one American hostage, although the US has been firm in not starting that. I just don’t think he has the experience to run the number one office in the land. Neither did Obama.
I am very disappointed in Gov Perry’s debate performances to date, but will say that all 7 candidates piled on him his first two debates (Perry had just had back surgery & had been dealing with the fires in TX). What I do like about Perry is his experiences:
*Elected Governor 3 times
*Agriculture commissioner (wants to end all subsidies including energy)
*Legislative
*Longest Border State ($400B of TX dollars spent on securing border, forced by Federal Govt to
support illegals through public schools & medical needs)
*Captain in Air Force for 5 years (flew many missions)
*Been Commander in Chief over Texas Guards who are routinely sent to help out both in & out of TX
*Biggest Job creator in nation! Perry created over 40% of all new jobs in nation last two years
*Been advocating form of flat tax for a long time (in his book released last year) & his 20% plan needs tweaking, but best out there to date (check rickperry.org to see how many & what sources they used to put it together)
*Energy plan that is right on (we produce our gas, etc needs & QUIT getting into wars with countries that hate us to protect “our interests” ). Believes in securing our relationships with our own border states (MX & Canada).
*Medicare/Medicaid block grants to states, cut out the red tape, let states figure out best way to use finds
*Balanced budget by 2020 with no more deficits
*Money held “offshore” by companies brought back to US for a one time tax rate of 5.25% if it bring jobs and business back to USAll I am saying is that I think proven leadership in all the areas that are needed to get our country turned around is very important right now, and I would give Gov Perry a long look. He is the only one with a proven record to beat Obama. We had the best debator in office (former law review, lawyer), how’s that working for us????
Here’s my breakdown of what makes the remarks troll droppings, paragraph by paragraph:
1. The troll said: I really like Cain and he is a breath of fresh air to watch, but have some serious concerns. He tried to be a politician in GA by running for office, but wasn’t elected. This doesn’t mean he is not a politician because he did not win.
The troll starts off by saying she likes Herman Cain and then calls him a breath of fresh air. This is to establish with you, the reader, that the troll is on your side. Clearly HillBuzz.org has been identified as a Cain-supporting site and is turning up on the Romneycare camp’s radar as a result. Trolls always begin their remarks with something positive to entice you to listen…or to get by moderation, hoping a moderator allows the comment through after reading just the first sentence. That’s classic troll behavior.
The next clue is where the troll abruptly pivots from liking Herman Cain to saying she has “serious concerns” about him. Generally speaking, if you ever read a sentence in comments that starts off positively and then has a “but” in it near the end, the author is probably a troll.
I love how this Romneycare troll says that Cain “tried to be a politician in Georgia but wasn’t elected”. You mean, like all the times Willard “Mittens” Romneycare ran for office but wasn’t elected…or left office because he knew he would not win re-election?
2. The troll says: His business is motivational speaker, and most of his stops around the country have been to promote his new book, he even used campaign funds to purchase a lot of them (which could contribute to his book moving up higher) and that seems to be his main focus. Also, he has no military experience which I think we have to have this time. Obama has put our boys in jeopardy by announcing to the enemy where they will be when & exact dates we are pulling out over the Generals’ advice objections.
I don’t think you need me to go word by word in this paragraph to illustrate how clearly cut-and-paste his is from the Romneycare attack book on Herman Cain.
There is an interesting bit in here where the Romneycare troll tries to slip a line in here about military service being needed in the next President…which Mittens doesn’t have himself. I think this is the troll trying to make it seem like she’s really a Perry troll, since Perry was in the military.
I’d love to remind readers that Herman Cain worked for the Navy doing high tech, highly skilled work. So the man is much more familiar with the military and how it operates than Mittens is, that’s for damn sure.
3. The troll said: Cain also has switched positions on abortion (pro-choice in interview, then pro-life) and I don’t like the way he pulled the race card about the Perry rock and then said lowkey the next day he believed Perry about his Father painting it when they began using the camp. He also said he would trade a hundred dangerous terrorists for one American hostage, although the US has been firm in not starting that. I just don’t think he has the experience to run the number one office in the land. Neither did Obama.
The troll spends part of this paragraph trying to mitigate all of Willard “Mittens” Romneycare’s many flip-flops by saying that Herman Cain has switched positions on things too. That’s another goal of the Romneycare trolls: to make Mittens’ track record seem better by noting that other people have done flip-flops themselves, so that you’d think Romneycare isn’t that bad as a result. The rest of the paragraph is classic trolling…trying to demoralize and dissuad those on the Cain Train by perpetuating the meme that Cain has made gaffes and these gaffes are reasons you shouldn’t support him. Because Cain speaks to the media, does almost every interview he’s asked to do, and continuously makes himself available for public appearances, he generates a lot of sound bytes that Team Romneycare is using against him.
That’s why Mittens has been avoiding all interviews and sticking to as many 30 to 60 second engagements as possible, because he’s afraid of speaking his mind — and, like proved in Ohio on October 25rh, he often doesn’t know what side of an issue he’s on that particular day, so he doesn’t want to speak on anything without his staff reminding him of what he should say.
4. The troll said: I am very disappointed in Gov Perry’s debate performances to date, but will say that all 7 candidates piled on him his first two debates (Perry had just had back surgery & had been dealing with the fires in TX). What I do like about Perry is his experiences:
This is more proof the troll working for Willard “Mittens” Romneycare is trying to pretend to be a Perry supporting troll that is attacking Herman Cain. This is an effort by Team Romneycare to masquerade as Perry supporters when trolling so that people upset by these antics blame the Perry camp and not Romneycare. Look how little digs at Perry are slipped in while the troll ostensibly pretends to be supporting Perry.
5. The troll said: All I am saying is that I think proven leadership in all the areas that are needed to get our country turned around is very important right now, and I would give Gov Perry a long look. He is the only one with a proven record to beat Obama. We had the best debator in office (former law review, lawyer), how’s that working for us????
This is all totally meant to give the reader a bad impression of Rick Perry and his supporters, for them coming on a Cain-supporting site to badmouth Cain.
I am 100% certain this was written by someone on the Willard “Mittens” Romneycare payroll.
Answer honestly in comments below: are you still fooled by things like this when you read them online, or were you able to spot this remark as a troll dropping right away?
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Couldn't we who shutter at the thought of Romney taking the republican nomination start to expose the beliefs of Mormons. Surely the democrats will go there once they help get Romeny the nomination. If Kevin is correct in that the dems will run Huntsman (another sonof a polygamist like Obama and Romney than shouldn't we start exposing Mormonism as the polygamist cult disguised as a religion that it is. We have shown courage in ecposing truth about the other polygamist cult disguised as a religion Islam. Has political correctness censored conservatives form speaking the truth. We should start the conversation now. Most people are completely in the dark about religion these days. Any memember of a polygamist cult diguised as a religion or a Marxist (Obama ) will take US further down the road to Global Government. Polygamy and misogyny dominates most of the world. The U.N. doesn't give a rats ass about family values or Judeo Christian values. They value Marxism and the Muslim Brotherhood. They would have no problem with a Mormon leader of the free world.
Counter the attacks on Cain by exposing the wacky racist and misogynic beliefs of Mormons.
Mormons have not practiced polygamy since at least 1898, and some say 1890. Any splinter groups that do are not part of the church Romney is part of.
Besides which, Mormons ARE Christians. Mormons take upon themselves the name of Christ at baptism and renew that relationship weekly as they take the sacrament. Mormons not only believe in Christ, they try to teach and do his sayings in more than 170 countries and who knows how many languages and cultures of the world.
Mormons are the fourth largest church in America as of 2005, according to Pew Research, and politically the most conservative, with only 7% describing themselves as liberal (as in Harry Reid.) Mormons are not a great voting bloc to offend, especially if you want to win western states like Nevada, Arizona, Idaho or California. California has the second largest population of Mormons in America.
What you propose is an uphill battle against a very educated, on average, group of Christian, conservative Americans, however much you might want to think otherwise. Consider Mitt's two Harvard degrees an example.
Yes, I am a Mormon, a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. My father taught at Yale and has a Ph.D. from the University of Chicago and is a Mormon. My mother has a Master's in Social Work and is a convert to the Church. I have an MBA and am working on a JD. I am also a military (Army) Vet who served in Iraq (as is my brother) and helped with the 2002 Olympics where I first learned about Mitt. I'm an Eagle Scout. I am a Conservative. I believe in Christ as Son of God and Savior of mankind.
A few years back I served a two year mission for Christ and my church in Texas, where I was spit on, had doors slammed in my face, and had at least one gun pointed at my chest by people who had ideas like yours about ideas like mine. Most of the people who did join the Church during my short watch were African Americans who recognized the good in what I had to teach and wanted a stronger relationship with Christ.
But in the end, this election is not about me or the Mormon faith at all, but about America. Who is really going to beat Obama? Who has the turnaround experience to turn America around? Who can create ten to twenty million new jobs over the next decade to get Americans on the right track individually and as families?
Herman Cain is a compelling option. I think Mitt will be stronger on jobs, while Cain has a great plan for taxes. Maybe the best option for America is for the two to work together? Both have said positive things about the other, Cain endorsing Romney in 2008 and Romney praising Cain's private sector experience, among other qualities.
Whether my beliefs as a "Mormon" (nickname) are misogynic or whether it is your beliefs about Mormons that are misogynic should not be at issue. This is not the Gaza strip. This is America! Tolerance may not be the highest of virtues, unless you are a liberal, but it is one, even in religion.
If you want to find out what Mormons believe, talk to a Mormon. I suggest you do before you pretend to be an expert on us. You may just find Christ is as much at the core of my beliefs as he is at the core of yours, Mr. or Ms. Posercom.
Please let's not attack on the basis of religion. After Mormonism is squelched, my religion will be next. Let's stick with personal character and policy substance … there is plenty of that to work with and to get the job done. Thank you very much.
P.S. I am a non-Mormon living in Utah and the Mormons in general are no different than people where I've lived in the Midwest and PA.
Sure go ahead and start attacking Mormonism to tear Romney. That's pure desperation and will only result in shattering the Republicans. 90% of Mormons are Republican voters, but I doubt many of them will come out in droves if religious bigotry becomes the primary reason why Romney loses the nomination. And based your comment, you have absolutely no clue what Mormonism is about.
OMG!!! Now the GOP establishment, in cahoots with the left, are going after Herman Cain with sexual harrassment charges!!! I am just getting home and hearing this for the first time today. It's on FOX News. Sigh……….
Repeat after me. We will choose Mittens, we will choose Mittens, we will choose Mittens…………….It's his turn, it's his turn, it's his turn……………..
It is politico publishing this hit piece, they have no sources and use shadowy figures.
As far as the troll comment is concerned, I think this person IS a Perry supporter, not Mittens.
Oh, and Kevin, I agree with you this this was a not so covert attempt at steering us to Mittens via lovin' on Cain, until she didn't, and then lovin' on Perry though she doesn't. Hope that makes sense. My mind is still reeling at what is happening to Mr. Cain this evening.
Mittens can't get more than 25% of the primary vote. 75% of us won't have anything to do with him, and I'd guess half of his current supporters are still believing the media-created electability and inevitability nonsense. So, to get the nomination he needs Cain, Perry, Gingrich, and Paul to divide the remaining 75%. This troll is clearly trying to shift the balance between Cain and Perry.
We can't be sure our votes will count at the National Convention. I just don't trust politicians. Look how they all jumped on Rick Perry when he was ahead. This kind of stuff got us McCain as a candidate in the last election. I think they are trying to make Mr. Cain blink. He doesn't seem the type to let it bother him, but it has got to be darned discouraging.
Total BS. Romney will be the nominee.
Mitt reached 32% last week in at least one poll.
He is not everyone's first choice, but he is the second choice of many.
and really…if he can't get more than 25% of the Rs votes – in the primary, where is there to go? Independents? I don't think they like him either.
who the heck writes comments that perfectly?!?!? its like copying and pasting from some talking point memo somewhere.
I'm guessing the Cain attacks are now going to get worse, hmmm, lets see, what next from the obots, lefties? repub establisment? not sure, but its going to get worse, and its the lefty media and obots who will attack everything and anything, there are no bounds with them.
Also,I might be wrong, but it appears this is a perry supporter, not romney. I;m in the ABO camp at this point.
I think it is a Romney supporter pretending to be a Perry supporter so the Perry team gets blamed for doing this.
That’s certainly something the Cocktail Party would do. Like blaming the dog for passing gas at the dinner table.
I asked J.A.R.V.I.S. about the syntactical usage, and it gave a result that inclines towards DNC/Axelrod/Berger/Borg…..
Cain has responded already….. http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/…
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Go try your troll-isms somewhere else.
All you'll get here is derision and laughter for your stupid and amateurish attempt at pursuasion.
We are not weak-minded, and you are not Jedi.
Return to your troll hole and return no more!
The telltale sign of any troll is when they say the "like" someone, then show cosmic ignorance of that candidate's history, background, and accomplishments. If Herman Cain's business was as a motivational speaker, by that standard Mitt Romney's business is perpetually running for President.
Not to mention posting a damn seminar. I can be verbose on some things, but I don't do bullet lists.
These are good points.
And calling Cain a motivational speaker is only slightly better than the MSM condescendingly referring to him as a pizza guy. He was the CEO of a billion dollar company for crying out loud!!
Not a troll. but I do have serious concerns about Mr. Cain. Like him a lot (and here comes the but), but he has been guilty of some serious gaffes, and his age and cancer are a concern (in that they will be used against him in the General). The proof in the pudding will be the debate between him and Newt. Either he'll soar, or he'll crash and burn.
Still hoping for Sarah, btw. Seems her older brother wants her to run according to his posts after GrizzlyFest over at C4P. Hope springs eternal.
All the candidates have issues…his AGE is a problem? He's what 65? Wow.
Anyway…it's who do you trust to do the things that need to be done? Someone like Romney? Or someone like Cain?
I'm going more and more to Johnson. If only…
You know, who doesn't like Cain? He is very qualified and would make a great President or VP.
I happen to think Romney has stronger turnaround skills and a clearer foreign policy. Does that make me a troll?
Who is more likely to create the ten to twenty million new jobs we need in the next decade?
The correct answer might be both, working together.
Romney/Cain 2012?
Unless they are government jobs, the president won't create any jobs at all. The best a president or congress can do (again, if they're not creating GOVT jobs) is to remove impediments to creating jobs and hope for the best.
I don't think Romney's that guy.
The president doesn’t create jobs. American entrepreneurs and businesses create jobs.
Since Mittens Romneycare has no personal integrity or belief system, and his policies change on a dime depending on what day of the week it is and what group he’s talking to, I have to ask you which one of this foreign policies are you a fan of?
I was on another message board and was was reminded that Larry Sinclair actually wrote a book about having sex with Obama. This was not covered in the MSM but Politico goes back to find this about Herman Cain. This was a hit piece plan and simple. And I think that this may not have the desired effect in hurting Herman Cain as much as they think it will. All of us know how the press works now, especially after living through 2008. The press threw away their credibility in their coverage of Obama and we all of a sudden are to believe them now? We are supposed to think that they are doing their job and that their motives are pure but putting out this story?
People are smarter than this and are wise as to how the media works. Lets just wait and see how this works out
and, there's ONE incident? When you're CEO and/or head of something, you're bound to get this…but is there a pattern? There was with clinton. Not so much here…
Cain will be the nom.
Here is how this attack on Cain can be countered. Identify the 2 women who made the 'accusations' and go through their background with a fine tooth comb. I am sure there are more skeletons in their closets than in Cain's. We have to start using Alinsky tactics if we are going to win this game.
Obvious concern troll.
Interesting take on where the troll came from and what the troll is trying to accomplish.
You always know who the Dems and the Cocktail party are afraid of by the people they choose to attack. Hillbuzzers…it wouldn't surprise me one bit, if Romney's team was behind this sexual harassment claim.
Personally, I find the timing of this Politico speech to be interesting. I know they are doing this to hurt Cain's poll numbers and his rising popularity with conservatives. However, I think they sadly mistaken…I think it is going to have the opposite affect. If Herman, "stays Herman" I think this all will amount to nothing and strengthen his support.
I think it is a lefty post. It goes through all the planned — and published to the nutcases – talking points. If you are listening to Rush this morning, you will have heard a caller question whether or not it was a republican/Romney meme to start the story about Herman Cain.
The left knows that they must destroy all the candidates except Romney so that Bamey can win. I say don't fall for anything other than the fact the left is only using one of the actions that AxelRat has dreamed up to keep Bamey in office. There was a reason that AxleRat & Fluffy – or however you spell Pfloufe – were out on the Sunday shows and you are seeing the results in this comment!
Kevin – you nailed it. "I like him – but I just have a teensy twinge about him being the spawn of Satan, blah, blah, blah" is classic troll through and through.
Cain is UNDEFENDABLE. This man is not a conservative, just an opportunist. If he had success in the pizza business is one thing but trying to be the leader of the Free World is another thing. This guy never ran anything public, never held public office, he does not knows anything about public administration, he is not a conservative, has no record on conservative issues. Noone ever heard from him before 2011.
Is this clown is what "conservatives" have against Romney we are toast!
“Noone ever heard from him before 2011.”
Hmmmm…I guess I must have been hallucinating when I heard Herman Cain guest-host for Neal Boortz on WSB in Atlanta over the past few years. I must have been drunk when I watched all those videos of him speaking at those 40 Tea Party rallies.
Who am I supposed to believe…you, or my lying eyes and ears?
One might suspect that you’re trying to convince people that only nutbars like yourself could support Michelle Bachmann. Is that your game?
I always delete your most vicious and disgusting ad-hominem attacks, but I’ve decided you’re doing a much better job of discrediting and marginalizing yourself than I ever could.
Kathleen, you are absolutely correct.
Herman Cain has been a strong conservative voice for years. If you haven't heard of him, you haven't been paying attention.
Herman Cain was also a leading voice against Hillarycare. Guess you missed that too Carmelo.
The fact that he has not held public office, is an asset…not a liability for most people. And that is why he is leading in the polls….
I think the HillBuzz moderator is reading too much into this suspected troll post. First of all, I don't think it was from a Mitt Romney supporter because of the fact he or she mentioned that Herman Cain didn't have any military experience and he or she said we needed a president who did have military experience. Funny, because Mitt Romney has NO military experience either. Which leads me to think it's not from a paid Romney supporter at all. The poster also touted Rick Perry's exemplary record as Governor of Texas. If it was a paid troll it would most likely have been a paid Perry troll perhaps, not a paid Romney troll. I personally don't think it was a paid Perry troll either, but I could be wrong.
The poster laid out some reasonable objections to why he or she thought Herman Cain would not make an effective president. Herman has quite a bit of overcoming to do before the Republican Party representatives give him the Republican nomination. He's a likable guy and he's a conservative. Those things in themselves do not make for an effective President or a good candidate. The American people will continue to monitor how Herman Cain does. Hopefully the new sexual harassment allegations won't deter him or his ability to raise cash. The American people deserve to know the truth though. If Herman Cain's skeletons do him in, it will be Herman Cain's fault, not the media's fault. He needs to answer to these and other allegations and if he's found innocent then more power to him. Why the National Restaurant Association would pay off the women accusers is anyone's guess. More than likely, they felt there was enough evidence against Herman Cain to give a monetary settlement to the accusers. If Cain was able to prove his innocence, it would make NO sense for the National Restaurant Association to pay off his accusers, knowing he was innocent. Apparently, Herman Cain was not able to prove his innocence, hence the reason the Association paid the monetary settlement to his accusers. Why else?
Carmelo, it appears there are several of us here who are supporting different candidates, or haven't made our minds up yet. I don't see any of us attacking one another and calling names. Please try to refrain from such behavior. It's admirable that you are so passionate about Michele Bachmann, but you lose all credibility when you pounce on the other hillbuzzers here.
I'm upset. Frankly I don't CARE if Herman Cain made an inappropriate comment, joke, or whatever to a couple of women in the mid-90s. I'm not even a huge Cain supporter. But, dammit, this wasn't rape. I just heard Hugh Hewitt and Jen Ruben talking. Jen was all "well, this is very serious, we need a consistent explanation and we need to know if he really "did" it." Are you kidding me? We have Barry who admits that he snorted coke, smoked weed (so did I) and was a party Dude. No transcripts, no articles ever published (who ever heard of the head of law review not publishing). Didn't happen in my law school. I mean, Gods people we have serious issues, and Barry must go.