Top Five Reasons Hillary Clinton will not rescue Democrats in 2012
A consistent meme in the Left has been that Hillary Clinton remains preserved in some sort of break-glass-in-case-of-an-emergency stasis down in Foggy Bottom, waiting eagerly for the moment when she will be unleashed to save the Democrat Party from the unfixable mess it got itself into by making Barack Obama the 44th president instead of Hillary herself.
Clearly, people who believe this paid little attention to the 2008 campaign…or to the woman herself for the entirety of her time in the national spotlight.
Here are the Top Five most obvious reasons why Hillary Clinton will decidedly NOT rescue Democrats from their well-deserved comeuppance in 2012 — and why she will happily let Obama and his minions get everything they have coming to them, and then some:
5. Hillary Clinton is far too smart to get blamed for the economic Obamageddon this White House has caused.
As we hash all of this out, I want you to first indulge me in something that’s going to make you incredibly uncomfortable to accept, something you will probably need a few more months of gentle preparation before you can finally say out loud…but we are very much in a full-blown Depression at this point. I am not an economist, but I have enough friends who were making $80,000/year back when George W. Bush was still president who are on food stamps and even welfare now, people with Masters degrees and so much personal pride they contemplated killing themselves rather than accepting public assistance. I know people who used to work in offices wearing suits and ties before Obama became president who are now picking up cleaning and day labor gigs on Craigslist, or who are selling plasma for $40 a pop, just to scrape enough together to make rent. Businesses I never imagined could ever fail are shuttering and crime here in Chicago is so bad, if I saw more pinstripes I’d think Al Capone was back in charge (though, having Rahm Emanuel as Mayor isn’t all that much different).
It’s a Depression. Hillary Clinton knows it. Obama’s trillion-dollars in wasted “stimulus” back in 2009 and the economy-killing Obamacare bill Democrats rammed through Congress on Christmas Eve of the same year were two massive blows that lurched us from mere recession into The Obama Depression. The public sector unions and Democrat entitlement programs, Washington’s addiction to spending money we don’t actually have, and the Democrat Party’s belief since 2008 that the Left had finally attained its moment in history to do as it pleased with the country has brought us to the precipice of unprecedented ruin.
Hillary Clinton is no fool, and knows full well there is absolutely nothing she can do to save our economy. Especially not as a Democrat, since the Left would fight her tooth and nail on everything she’d need to do to actually get the country back on track. Remember — and this is key to understanding all of this — that the Left spent three decades or so in exile, crafting elaborate masturbatory fantasies of what it wanted to do to this country and our economy when it finally took over again. Thirty years in the wilderness makes people go a little mad, so just imagine how nuts many of these bearded Marxists are, since they started out crazy to begin with. These are Leftist academics and true-believer cultists who have thus far been largely insulated from the true suffering of most Americans, because they are still being paid by non-profits, universities, grant-sponsored endeavors, labor unions, PACs, or the federal government in some way. There have been no layoffs, no budget cuts, and no threats to their livelihood because the parasitic flow of tax dollars into these people’s pay checks has not been shut off yet…while people who work in the real world, who have been subjected to the real life consequences of the sum total of Obama’s terrible decisions, realize just how bad things really are.
If Hillary Clinton — or any Democrat — managed to win in 2012 (and I don’t believe a Democrat CAN win after the mess Obama made) she would be stymied in everything she did by her own party, because the Left would not admit it was wrong and would instead insist things hadn’t gone FAR ENOUGH for us to reach the mythical utopia these out of touch radicals have dreamed of their entire wasted lives.
Hillary knows that if she would somehow become the 2012 nominee, and if she did become the 45th President of the United States, that she’d be a Herbert Hoover-grade “Worst President Ever” candidate, and that’s something Hillary neither wants nor deserves.
Why would Hillary get in the way of allowing Obama to join the “Worst Ever” list himself, for presiding over the country’s economic ruin, taking all of his bearded Marxists and radical Leftists with him?
Why would she allow herself to be turned into a scapegoat for something she has absolutely nothing to do with?
Remember, Hillary’s happily spent the last three years traveling all over the world not being involved at all in anything domestic that’s been going on. If you think that’s just a marvelous coincidence, you’ve never met Hillary Diane Rodham Clinton.
4. Black voters will be enraged if Obama is not on the ballot in 2012.
If I got you to admit, even on a small personal level, that we are indeed in the beginnings of The Obama Depression, I now need you to accept the reality that black voters in America are the most racist identity-voting-bloc in American history. Despite the fact that Obama’s policies in office have almost completely obliterated the black middle class — which Democrats’ entitlement programs and social policies kept from ever coming into its own in the first place — Obama is seen as a major source of race-pride, and anyone challenging him in any way or being perceived to be an impediment to his getting whatever he wants in life is aggressively attacked as a RAAACIST. This is what the Democrat Party and “black leaders” like Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, and Henry Gates have trained the black community to do for decades now. This is so engrained in black voters’ minds that even if “the Justice Brothers” and Gates spoke directly to blacks and told them to knock this garbage off, they couldn’t stop them if they tried.
There is no scenario possible for 2012 where the black community will not attack SOMEONE on Obama’s behalf, no matter how colossal a failure Obama is or how much he actually hurts the black community.
Hillary Clinton knows damn well that if she goes anywhere near the 2012 Democrat nomination that black voters will wail and scream that “she’s trying to take this away from Obama!”. So that eliminates any sort of challenge to Obama’s nomination, from Hillary or anyone else, since whoever is stupid enough to “try to take this from Obama” will be branded for life a RAAACIST! by the black community since it considers Obama untouchable.
What about a scenario where Obama recuses himself and declines to seek a second term, since he knows he will lose?
Hillary Clinton wouldn’t go anywhere near the nomination in that case either, because she realizes the conspiracy theories would start up in black circles where people try to save face for Obama. “He didn’t quit, she took it from him! She tricked him! She’s a racist and took it from the black man!”. It doesn’t take much imagination to see how this would play out. Black voters would sit home on their rumps peeved that Obama’s not on the ballot, so Hillary would lose the general election and would never have another chance to run. Worse, if she DID win, by some miracle (like Republicans being stupid enough to nominate Mittens “Mood Ring” Romney, Tim “Cure for Insomnia” Pawlenty, or Jon “Can’t Believe the GOP Fell For This” Huntsman), blacks would seethe at her for the rest of her life because “she kept Obama from getting a second term!”.
There is just no winning for Hillary in any scenario in 2012 in terms of black voters, which a Democrat needs to win the general election.
Hillary knows that if she’s to get another chance to make a presidential run, it will be in 2016 and not before. Since she probably believes the economy will still be in tatters by then, that’s most likely where her sights are set…so she can avoid making any enemies in the black community by staying clear of 2012 altogether.
And, yes, this also includes the fairytale scenario where Hillary replaces Joe Biden as VP on the doomed Obama ticket. Once again, just imagine what would happen to Hillary if she made such a miscalculation, knowing the Democrats are going to lose…and she puts herself out there to be the scapegoat. Blacks would never forgive her, claiming “If she hadn’t replaced Biden, Obama would still be president! It’s all her fault! She’s racist!”.
I know you’ve watched Hillary Clinton take every attack aimed at her for most of your adult life, and you’ve seen she can take a punch better than just about anyone in politics…but the woman is no glutton for punishment and is far smarter than any of her detractors could ever realize.
There is just no way she is going to involve herself in any situation where she could be attacked as a racist or be blamed for Obama’s loss.
3. Despite what you heard all through the 1990s, Hillary Clinton is not the Leftist you feared she was.
If you were able to accept we are in a Depression, and you stayed with me while I explained the minefield that is the black vote in the Democrat Party, the next big leap I need you to take with me is to understand that the person the Right did such a thorough job of turning into a boogeywoman for the last several decades is not the Leftist you think she is.
Your worst fears are alive and well and living in the White House right now. There’s an actual, verifiable, communist in the Oval Office (or, more likely, out on a golf course somewhere or screwing around with Kal Penn or male interns). Obama is like the Stay Puft Marshmallow Man in Ghostbusters, if some Babylonian Hell-god allowed Americans to imagine the absolute worst threat to this country…and then these destructive forces manifested into flesh and bone and were installed in our corridors of power.
The entire Obama presidency is a fetishistic exercise on the part of the Left to revel in the madness these fools have stored up since the Carter administration.
There is a reason Hillary Clinton was not the 2008 Democrat nominee, and it’s because she would not have abdicated her presidency to these lunatics. She would not have allowed Congress to write its pork-larded healthcare bill the way that Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid wanted. If you think anyone but Hillary Diane Rodham Clinton would have been able to touch that bill, then you really haven’t been paying attention to this woman. Hillary’s still smarting from the abuse she took in 1993 with “Hillarycare”, and she spent almost all of her time since then working up a reasonable and affordable plan she would have pushed as president that would have looked nothing like Obamacare.
On scores of other issues, Hillary would have thwarted the Left’s attempts to take advantage of the legislative process and would have very much been in the driver’s seat of her own presidency.
Hillary Clinton would never be out playing golf or goofing around.
She might not have ever left the Oval Office for the first three years of her term.
The woman is a workhorse, not a show pony, and certainly not a Skittles-sniffing unicorn like Obama.
This is all a problem because it’s exactly the opposite of what the Left WANTED in a president right now. Obama was chosen because he was interested in playing president, in flying around in Air Force One, and in never ever having to work for a living again. He knows that someday his face will be on money, and he likes that. He’ll get a massive, Frank Gehry-designed, waterfront presidential library and museum in Honolulu to screw around in…he’ll make a fortune giving speeches talking on and on about his favorite subject (himself)…and he’ll have plenty of super hunky secret service guys around him for the foreseeable future to mitigate his continued proximity to Michelle Antoinette.
Even better: he knows that once Jimmy Carter dies, he’ll be able to haunt America as its chief critic and perpetual scowl, the forever coveted dinner guest in palaces from Caracas to Havana, Riyadh to Tehran. There will be no ex-president in history more vocally anti-American than Obama; every day will be Ramadan for him.
The Left knows it is not going to have another shot to “fundamentally change” America for at least another 30 or 40 years, so it is not about to allow the perfect puppet Obama to slip through its hands and be replaced by Hillary Clinton, a woman who would call her own shots (and terminate with great prejudice all who stood in her way).
So, even if Hillary did want to take on the responsibilities of getting us out of this Depression…and even if she was willing to risk being attacked by racist black voters…the Left would just not let Hillary Clinton be president because there is too much at stake for the Left in 2012 and beyond.
2. Hillary Clinton’s political future depends on Obama and his supporters losing big in 2012.
This brings us to some things about Hillary Clinton that I think are more easy for you to accept, especially since it is widely known she expertly holds grudges. If you are loyal to Hillary, she will never forget you. If you cross her or burn her, watch out, because the woman will not forgive. History’s scrapheap is littered with the remains of people who have gotten on the wrong side of Hillary Diane Rodham Clinton.
Hillary’s sights are set on 2016. For her to make a successful presidential run then, she’ll need a new Democrat Party to exist at that time, one that’s been purged of all the Obama people, from top down. She will need to actually rebuild a completely destroyed Democrat Party from the ground up…and she’ll actually need to get rid of a lot of people who are loyal to Bill Clinton too.
I’m sure she has plans already drawn up to do just this…but what needs to happen first is a complete and total decimation of anything tinged by hopeychange.
It is in Hillary Clinton’s best interests for 2012 to be the absolute worst it can possibly be for Democrats, with as many Democrat defeats as possible, so that she can emerge on the scene in 2013 to put the Democrats back together again under her personal direction, with her own interests front and center looking towards 2016.
This is the strategic part of Hillary Clinton allowing Democrats to fail in a massive way with Obama’s doomed re-election bid.
1. Why the f*** should Hillary Clinton rescue any of these people?
And this is the very personal side of why Hillary Clinton will allow Obama to lose — big time — in 2012.
Many of you weren’t regular HillBuzz.org readers back during the 2008 campaign, but my friends and I worked hard to chronicle every horrible thing the Obama campaign and Democrat Party establishment did to Hillary and her bid for the presidency.
These people went far beyond normal politics. They gleefully attacked Hillary in the most misogynistic terms imaginable. The Obamas and their surrogates called the Clintons and Clinton supporters RAAACISTS. Obama used the Pigford Black Reparations scam to bribe the black community into betraying and savaging the Clintons. Obama and the media brutalized Hillary and even stooped to stealing delegates from her at the May 31st DNC Rules & Bylaws Commission meeting.
If you think Hillary Clinton has forgotten any of this, you are nuts.
If you think she has forgiven the people involved in all this, you are just plain stupid.
Maybe she doesn’t have a plan to run in 2016.
Maybe, though uncharacteristically for her, she doesn’t possess any further desire to be president.
Maybe she’s just looking forward to being a grandmother and starting up a foundation or getting back to being an author and policy advocate for the causes she loves.
Maybe she’ll run for Governor of Arkansas, New York, or Illinois.
I have no idea what her future plans are.
But, having worked on the Hillary 2008 campaign, having written HillBuzz.org (a site originally dedicated to her ambitions) for over three years, and having watched and admired Hillary since I was in grade school (when she was still just the First Lady of Arkansas), I can tell you with no doubt in my mind that Hillary will be smiling very brightly in 2012 when Obama is defeated.
It will be hard for her to accept reality that she will not be America’s first female president, but I bet she’ll take pride in knowing she helped pave the way for President Palin to get to the White House.
And then, if she stays true to form, Hillary Clinton will wish the new President the best…while laying out that roadmap for how to defeat her in 2016.
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Kevin, so happy to see you posting again.You bring such thought and insight into your writings. You have just answered something that I have been thinking about. Would Hilliary run against Obozo? Since you answered that before I could even ask do you think anyone will run against him or would anyone be allowed to run?
B. Carr,
Recycle most of what I said above, especially in regards to black voters…anyone who runs against him will be called a RAAACIST. If someone succeeds in replacing Obama on the ticket, blacks will stay home in protest (if not riot). If Obama chooses not to run, blacks will still stay home, because a conspiracy will circulate that he was somehow tricked or pressured not to run.
There is no way to get blacks to the polls without Obama on the ticket.
Anyone who tries to challenge him will be finished politically because blacks hold vociferous grudges when race pride is involved.
If, indeed your analysis is correct, then I would like to see Hillary move to California and run for Governor there. I know she can get a handle on the seemingly insurmountable problems they have and help get out of the huge CF they are in with their budget, their schools, the housing crisis and so forth. Yes, all states are facing the same issue but the saying, for the most part is true, "so goes California, so goes the country." The idiot they hired from the 70's is the same one that got them in the predicament they are in now.
I'm not sure ANYONE will be able to save California. By the time that Jerry the Fairy's term is up, all the businesses that actually make money and contribute to the CA economy will be gone taking with them the people who actually still do pay taxes. It will, however, be ironic that the only ones remaining will be the Marxists that Kevin refers to living along the coast while the rest of the state will continue on the path to a full-blown third world country within the US inhabited by the illegals and welfare crowd.
My brother and sister-in-law recently both retired and have already set up residence in a state income tax-free location. If you look at the last census, you wil note that for the first time in decades, CA did NOT increase in population – and that is because people are leaving by the hundreds of thousands each year. Businesses are also exiting at an unprecedented rate that will make CA useless!
Number 4 is game, set, match. African Americans make up about 25% – 30% of the Democrats. Several Big population States in the South (Florida, Georgia, NC) this percent is even higher. Of Democrat African-Americans they wil go nearly 100% Obama. The US could collapse, he could literally murder somebody on a campaign stage and they would still vote for him. With that block clinched all Obama would need is about 30% of the rest of the vote. Hillary is not organized for a run right now and would take a while to do this. Game Over.
OJ Simpson. Michael Jackson. Jesse Jackson. Al Sharpton. Henry Gates. Barack Obama.
All black men — no matter what terrible things they do or how badly they fail at anything — who received 100% backing from blacks because of race pride and the belief that anyone who opposed them on anything was either racist or trying to hold them back.
But only because these are leftist-liberal black men who advocate no personal responsibility.
Do not expect any support from the black community if Herman Cain is nominated. If elected, blacks would vilify him more than GWB.
Brilliant, Kevin!! All of your points are right on! If HRC waits it out, BO will fully own his disastrous presidency. No more blaming the Clintons or the Bushes (although BO, IMHO, is the sequel to GWB.)
(Interesting tidbit: Cornell West and Tavis Smiley — two African-American's on the left who've dared to criticize BO – are going on a 19-city tour concerning BO and his policies. I wonder how far they'll go in terms of challenging BO and his Obots? I wonder how many death-threats they'll endure? )
The tour you speak of is to criticize BHO for not going far enough; they are angry that the presidnet has not lived up to 'true' agenda of the far left.
I predict the tour will be a fabulous success.
GA would never go D again. In 2008, there was a HUGE get out the vote, and mccain won with something like 60% of the vote. just sayin.'
Kevin:
Love you,love the site,love your outlook and have been reading for a few years now (since your apology to W), but I just don't see in Hillary what you do.
I would be willing to bet that when she's at home she's sticking pins in Sarahcuda dolls,not just Soetero dolls.
There was a stretch in 2008 when I saw Hillary Clinton in person two or three times a week. More importantly, I got to know many of her friends really, really well.
She is not sticking any pins in dolls.
She made peace with 2008 before many of her supporters did. Disappointment has been a nagging presence in her life for a long time.
But, she is far from a saint and would indeed be very happy I think to see Obama defeated.
I’ve heard her laugh in person, and it’s loud and lively and full of vinegar in the right moments…which is what it will be in 2012.
You don’t have to like her (though I always will, for my own personal reasons), but realize she is more complicated and interesting than her caricatures.
I'll tell you a secret. Even though this lifelong Republican knew that she would not finish her second term as "Senator from New York", I did vote for her re-election. Why? Because the Republicans put a total d-bag jackass up to run against her for the seat and you could not have paid me to vote for him. Also, even as a Republican, I have seen glimmers of the person you speak of, Kevin, unlike so many other politicians, Hillary does have her humanity intact, she is not a humorless ugly leftist like so many of her peers in the DNC.
Cason
I was a volunteer for the HRC presidential campaign and now I must confess, I agreee with you. I am so over the democrap party. Even long before Obama was their leader-or is it George Soros? they were the party that rewarded bad behavior and punished good behavior. Sarah Palin makes Hillary look like a Steepford wife. Hillary is a child of the sixties and a liberal although not as bat shit crazy left as Obama and his crew. If she runs in 2016 it will have to be against Sarah Palin who is going to be my next president. In that case Hillary should lose. Her chance to stand up to party politics was in Denver in 2008 when so many of her loyal supporters were there fighting for her. She instead submitted to the will of the DNC. She doesn't have the spine that Sarah Palin has, if she did she would take on the coruption in her own party just as Palin did.
Who has the best chance of beating (maybe I should say defeating) him? Is anyone looking good in your eyes? I have been reading here for quite a while but would love to here if your thoughts have changed. Thanks in advance!
Governor Sarah Palin will defeat him.
You betcha!
Palin/West 2012!
That is what I wanted to hear!!!!!
that,s the ticket!!!!!
I respect your love of Sarah, and I like her, but maybe not as much as you, Kevin. My big issue with her NOW is that well, pretty much all the Rs have declared, and she hasn't. I find this really disrespectful of her opponents and the R party. Everyone's just waiting for her, it's sort of the elephant in the room, and she's seen as a big deal – she is , don't get me wrong, but everyone's just waiting.
Which isnt' the best thing for her to do at this point. She needs to s***or get off the pot. Say something. Do something. Because it's not the best thing overall for her to wait. Maybe it's the best thing for HER, but we're not talking about HER, we're talking about the country here.
atlmom, I respectfully disagree with it being disrespectful in fact I see it as being respectful of both the other Rs running and the people who support her. First the other Rs are getting the opportunity to share their platforms. Because once she announces the air will be sucked out of their campaigns and their ability to get any press will evaporate. The fact that they are all participating a circular firing squad waiting for her instead of getting their ideas out there is their problem not hers. Second, she is being a wise steward of her supporters resources. The earlier she gets in the more money she will have to spend to campaign and she doesn't need the name recognition. As for needing to "@#@% or get of the pot", I would say she has been doing a lot more " !@$$in" in that pot then most of the declared candidates. She's weighed in on more issue than any other candidate, IMO. Never fear she will announce her intentions when the time is right. She has said many times she trusts in God's guidance and I trust the timing will be perfect as a result.
Kelly, you gave a perspective I hadn't considered and you are so correct. The minute she announces, all attention will be on her. Even Hot Air gave her a thumbs up on her Facebook letter. They are not typically big supporters of Sarah. http://hotair.com/archives/2011/08/09/palin-knock…
I don't see any need for her to immediately announce her candidacy. It is not like she is an unknown and needs time to establish herself. JFK didn't announce until January of 1960. I think she has good political instincts and will announce when the time is right.
Whatever Sarah decides is what's best for Sarah. All of her decisions have worked out for her and us. She's never followed anyone's "timelines" or guidelines for anything; she certainly won't start now. That's what sets her apart. That's what is so intriguing and attractive about her. That's what will win the presidency for her! Game On!
The best thing for the country is for Palin to run a successful campaign.
She's waiting for the GOP to realize that they don't have anyone that conservatives are excited about. Or if they can't even come to that realization, she will declare late when everyone is bored of the white bread old boys.
Don't forget how the press treated her in 2008! As soon as she declares it will be a free-for-all in the press, with them slinging as much mud as they can, and seeing what sticks. Declaring now and letting them drag her and her family through the mud until the election doesn't help anyone.
First they have to run, and Allen West (who I totally love) has refused, repeatedly, to do so, or even be on the VP slot of the 2012 GOP ticket.
Couldn't agree more, Kevin.
After savaging her in 2008 and then crumpling her up like an empty Cheetos bag and tossing her in the gutter, the Progressives still have the "audacity of hope" that she will "change" the political landscape for the Dems.
I've had more than one "WTF?" moment after reading more than just a few blog posts suggesting that she should save the Progressive movement.
Hillary was my State Senator, and I was impressed with her judiciousness in choosing her battles. I seriously doubt she would go to bat for the Dems for all the reasons you mention.
Great post!
I agree with most of what you say ( and it's awesome to see you posting again!) but having lived in Arkansas under the Clintons, I do think she is farther Left than what you think. I agree she is to the center of Obama, but then so was Stalin!
What will you do when it's Palin v Clinton????
Kevin, I agree on those reasons.
I see 2016 as near-hopeless for her, however. It will be a very tough challenge for her to wash herself of all "past politics" taint. She'd have to wash herself of Obama AND Bill. Is there enough bleach to do that?
In addition, she will have some doing to convince people that she knew nothing about Operation Fast and Furious when that scandal breaks open like a giant rotten egg.
Not predicting what will happen in 2016…and maybe she won’t make a run…but she sure would try in 2016 over trying in 2012.
I really think she’ll run for Governor somewhere.
She has one campaign at least left in her.
hopefully (for me, at least) it will be New York
This New York Republican could live with her as Governor, provided that the state GOP continues to put up the same loser candidates that they are prone to pushing. And if she could wash the islamocoddling stank of the Obama administration (and Huma "daughter of the Muslim Brotherhood Weiner) off of her and especially if she would acknowledge that a victory mosque at Ground Zero is at the very least, in poor taste, I might even help her campaign!
By 2016 the democrap party will have to be renamed just like ACORN was renamed Community Organizers International. The dems have completely given up on the concept of a free and sovergn USA. They are ALL one World Global Corportists who are eevn now continuing to bring down yet another bank -Bank of America, so that one of Soro's favored banks can swoop down like a vulcure and gooble up.
Democratic Party downgrade
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2011/08/democ…
I love this site. New to me during the 2008 run. Contributors always make me sit up, take notice and view things outside the box. I have no idea what I would have done without this site. I am unemployed, bankrupt, in foreclosure. Not formally educated, low paying jobs for over forty years, but I am able to hold my head up because of this site and the blogs. You guys have given me hope that sane people of all stripes can and will work together. Kevin, I petition for your health to improve.
Bless all of you.
I love this site. New to me during the 2008 run. Contributors always make me sit up, take notice and view things outside the box. I have no idea what I would have done without this site. I am unemployed, bankrupt, in foreclosure. Not formally educated, low paying jobs for over forty years, but I am able to hold my head up because of this site and the blogs. You guys have given me hope that sane people of all stripes can and will work together. Kevin, I petition for your health to improve.
Palin doesn't need to declare anything yet. No sense in stirring the pot before it's time..
Also,it is very savvy of her to not announce because then it becomes full-blown attacks rather than the subtle put-downs on primetime TV shows. They make sure they do at least once a day on various programs. With that in mind, I am sure the Dems are convinced that she will announce later. . Meanwhile, they are sure to beef up O on the same shows and also do quick 30 or less (propaganda) commercials favoring him.
Demanding that she announce… one might presume that with "The Undefeated", it's an "un"announcement, of sorts. That she is all ready running.
Dear Kevin, very thoughtful points. I hope you're right on point #1, especially.
I just couldn't believe how Mrs. Clinton took it when Pres. Obama sent Mr. Theresa Heinz-Kerry, the Senior Gasbag from Massachusetts, to those Muslim countries in Mrs. Clinton's stead. I mean who's the US Secretary of State, for G-d's sake?!!!!! Guess the Prez was respectin' those "Muslim sensibilities." However, methinks that the Muslims aren't the only ones that have problems with women in positions of power.
It's one thing that Mrs. Clinton put up with disrespect from those closest to her in her private life. It's quite another to put with it from a petulant man/brat with serious "daddy issues." Of curse, maybe she's stuck between a rock and a hard place because the "petulant man/brat" is the POTUS at the moment. We'll know more as time goes on.
FYI,
Has everyone seen this? Hat Tip to McNorman's blog.
"Hillary Told You So"
As Democratic disgust with Obama’s debt fumbling spreads, Clinton supporters recall her '3 a.m. phone call' warnings—and angry, frustrated liberals are muttering that she should mount a 2012 challenge."
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/08/07/…
Pardon me for pouncing on a pet peeve before commenting more fully on the true content but something Kevin said here hit a political nerve for me:
Maybe she’ll run for Governor of Arkansas, New York, or Illinois.
You know, to me, the fact that statements like this have become completely acceptable and normal is one of the most disturbing things about politicians today at the national and sometimes even state level. That and no term limits. I thought the same thing years ago with Bob Dole's wife, Libby, was picking and choosing where she was going to run for whatever seat she ran for. Before or after her failed attempt at the Presidency. So this isn't a partisan thing about Hillary Clinton. Heck, in a way, her situation was almost understandable because she was coming off being in the White House and they were deciding where they were going to reside which isn't all that uncommon for ex-Presidents.
No, it's more a general beef about how so many do misuse the practice and does relate to that elite lifestyle thing having to do with multiple residences, which most of us do not have. I mean, get real. If someone already has their choice of where they can live and which state they can choose to run in, where do they get off thinking we'd even want them to represent us, either/or? Notice, I'm not talking about when someone literally pulls ups stakes and moves, but when they keep one foot both places. Sometimes more than two, even.
And to answer my own question, it's because we foolishly let these shenanigans go on without questioning them, that's why.. Oye.
Now, to the actual post. it's a very good one, Kevin, and you make some excellent points. I do have very sincere question, though, and it concerns a point that you left out or overlooked. Do you believe that Hillary Clinton can ever truly recover from being Obama's SOS during this foreign policy nightmare term? I mean, granted there have been some good things and she's probably done some great work on her own, but I can't help thinking that even if she ran in the future without Obama in the picture, she was still SOS these last few years. She was his spokesperson to the world.
Most of the time anyway.
So, how do you see that falling out?
Being former military and then a military spouse combined for over 20 years, realizing how great and awesome and huge this country is, I don't have a problem with people moving, having multiple residences and running for office from those states. I considered myself as having two or three residences. One from where I came aka "home" and one where I was stationed at. And, for the most part, I considered my spouse's home state mine, too. And, did all of that on a shoe string budget.
Huge difference between bevwky and what you're talking about, MissGnomer. bev is talking about *representing* and/or *serving* a particular geographically defined constituency. Saying "Hmmmm, New York, or Arkansas? New York, Arkansas?" does not exactly show a commitment to a particular state; it shows more like political opportunism.
bev, you made a great point that I had really overlooked. I remember ages ago, before his own sex scandals expelled him from public favor, that Major League pitcher Steve Garvey was looking to retire from baseball and get into . . . what else, politics? Everything all laid out for him. Of all the outrageous statements he made in a Playboy interview, he said that he had been approached by major power brokers from BOTH parties and hadn't yet made up his mind which one he'd go with — but he was firm that he wouldn't settle for anything less than U.S. Senator or state governor.
Have you ever heard of such arrogance? Presuming to such unearned prestige and authority? "Just get me the governorship or senatorship and I'll get to details like MY ENTIRE POLITICAL ORIENTATION later." I kid you not! This is the sort of entree we give to athletes and entertainers. It wasn't until your post that I realized we also give it to celebrity politicians. HRH Princess Caroline comes to mind.
We are going to have to agree to disagree.
It is no different than getting a job in another state for the opportunity to get a paycheck. So what if they are seasoned (or otherwise) politicians. They are using what they know to get a job. It may be in a different state. It may be a stepping stone for them. Whatever the reason that they decide to move to a particular area, it is on them to prove to the voters of that area that they are worthy. The country is changing. People move all over the country and the world to keep or garner a job. Politicians are no different than anyone else looking for a job.
I was reminded of the story of when we were overseas and asked if there was a supermarket. We were told that yes, they had heard there was a supermarket but it was a long way away. It was about 14 miles away. We had a good chuckle over that.
I guess if one grows up in the same area, I can understand how one might want their elected leaders to be from the same area. But, not buying that any DC politician is committed to a state more because he/she has ties to that state.
It's pretty ballsy and a very firm belief in oneself to run for office by name recognition only in a state. Sure, the learning curve is steep as far as learning about the topography, geography, biography of any state but it's not impossible.
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Alex, this isn't about someone having to have been born and raised in an area. This is about people literally moving into an area just to run for a political office and no other reason. And sometimes they don't even physically move there.
It's quite literally a legal dodge.
Which is considerably different than active duty military dual citizenship/residence. I live in an area right next to one of the largest military bases in the country (Fort Campbell, KY) and have family members who are and have been active duty military most of their lives. Having dual citizenship or whatever it's called nowadays is part of that. I also know good and well that expecting an active duty military to run for office is a no-no.
OTOH, their family members are another matter, of which again we have long experience with in this area. Happens off and on quite a bit. However, it's not so much about knowledge of the area or "being ballsy" with name recognition as it comes down to where their loyalties and priorities are. If they've shown that they're actually part of the community, then they can get accepted and elected. It happens.
But people who just pop up out of thin air are another matter entirely.
Why do you think people were making such a big deal out of even the rumor that Sarah Palin had bought a house in Arizona?
Because someone wanted to start the meme that she was going to run for something there and they knew they could start one about a Senate or Representative run there. Not because anyone who knew anything about her would ever truly believe she ever run for anything except the Presidency anywhere but in Alaska, though. Why? Her loyalties and priorities are to Alaska and her hometown when she's not thinking about the bigger picture of the nation.
Does that mean that she couldn't base a national campaign somewhere else?
Of course not.
So, again, this isn't about real people who actually have real reasons for dual citizenship. It's about someone looking around purely for political reasons for some place to run for something.
And we let them.
Well, frankly, isn't seasoned politicians looking for another paycheck what got us into this mess in the first place? Let them use what they know in the private sector for a while and see how that works out for them.
Have you ever heard of such arrogance? Presuming to such unearned prestige and authority? "Just get me the governorship or senatorship and I'll get to details like MY ENTIRE POLITICAL ORIENTATION later." I kid you not! This is the sort of entree we give to athletes and entertainers. It wasn't until your post that I realized we also give it to celebrity politicians. HRH Princess Caroline comes to mind.
Not so much the deciding their political orientation later but definitely the other stuff has undoubtedly happened may times over the years in many different places around the country.
"He knows that someday his face will be on money"
The one trillion dollar bill! You know that might make for a great project here "Help us design the one trillion dollar Obama dollar bill." You could then blow it up real big for posters and such saying "this enough spare change for ya America?"
I vow, any bill that has his face on it, I will refuse to have it in my wallet.
Your essay brings to me some new dimensions to HDRC. It is a positive for her to reward loyalty to HER. I am not sure who she is loyal TO. Or might be. There exist some dark corners there, to me. Dark corners I do not see, for example, in Palin. I will admit to being possibly gullible, but as I look at the present field of presidential candidates – including Perry – I see none but Palin is free of a really dark side. Can there be evil with no devil?
Since you opine HDRC will run for governor "somewhere", I suppose that possibility must be taken seriously as you have stepped forward in really recent times in this forum as a person who should be taken seriously. I read you daily.
She may, indeed, have the world stage gone from her system by the end of the year (if not all ready). I cannot see her settle down to the prospects of being a mother in law and maybe even a grand mother. I cannot see her retiring quietly with her husband to some calm venue.
So what state? Her real home state of Illinois? Or what? Do others join your opinion these days?
BRAVO !!!!Kevin is back!!!!!!
Rush was saying today that the Republican establishment will not go after Øbama in the election. He said that they will run on the issues, but not how Øbama has screwed it all up. Can this be true? The political playbook is being written and dropped in their laps and they won't use it. We need Sarah. Plain and simple. She will tell the Republican establishment what to do with their plans.
The reason I say this is to ask – is there any chance that Hillary would work behind the scenes with Ø's opponent to see he is defeated? We could use her tenacity and courage.
"Your worst fears are alive and well and living in the White House right now. There’s an actual, verifiable, communist in the Oval Office (or, more likely, out on a golf course somewhere or screwing around with Kal Penn or male interns). Obama is like the Stay Puft Marshmallow Man in Ghostbusters…"
Your give Obama way too much credit. Dr. Utopia is irrelevant. He's just the right man in the right place at the right time for a certain group of people. That group of people is the driving force behind the Dem party and they are somewhat disappointed in Dr. Utopia because he isn't left enough for them (hard to believe as that may be.)
If he was as smart as either Clinton they'd he'd be really dangerous. As it stands, we have a Dem party that's radically left and Dr. U is just their figurehead. He would have been able to do far less if he didn't have a party and a media solidly in his camp and both of them are their by choice, not due to anything Dr. U did.
Hopefully a lot of these Dems lose their jobs in 2012 and that the MSM becomes even less relevant.
Another reason that Mrs. Clinton won't run in 2012 is that she knows the Dem party has less credibility on the financial issues than Paris Hilton and she doesn't want to be tarred with that. She'd have to campaign on fiscal sanity and would be laughed at by anyone outside of the MSM. If Obama was running then she'd be slimed by those IN the MSM.
I also doubt that she has any interest in dealing with a solidly Republican/Tea Party Congress.
I guess we can't hope that Dr. U. bows out due to health reasons, as was once suggested here?
Palin/West would be awesome, but I'd vote for any R over any D. Maybe someday I'll reconsider if some Reagan type takes over the Dem party and moves it in the right direction, but as it stands now, no chance.
Hillary is a shrewd politician, no doubt about it. She is a leader and would not vote "present." My concern and wonder what others think is her connection to George Soros?
George Soros bought the democrap party as a toxic asset after Bill had his indisgression with Monic Lewinsky. We have Bill and his bad behavior to blame for Soro's ownership of the Democrap party and the entire liberal movement. And yes Hillary is a One World One Religion Soros style globalist. These Global dictatorship goals have been in the works for many years now and the Clinton are on board.
Chelsy Clinton married into a democrat crime family. She is a hedge fund manager. This will not look good if HRC decides to run against Sarah Palin in 2012.
All the energy spent hating on the Clinton is energy you are wasting — energy that could be used to invest in defeating Obama.
Hillary is not going to run in 2012, so don’t waste any more energy thinking that.
Focus on Obama and stopping him. Everything else just helps Obama by distracting from who the real problem is.
i am not wasting time hating on the Clintons Kevin. I am very acyive in making sure Sarah Palin is our next president. I am also active in making sure our culture does not becomen any more Sariah compliant. I am involved in Act For America, AHA Foundation and The New Agenda. Don't take my comments here about the Clintons as some kid of obcession because The Clintons are over. Blue Dog democrats don't have the guts to take control of their party.
The Democrat Party is over.
The Left does not want to allow conservative Democrats to exist, let alone run the party again.
I am not sure about Mrs. Clinton's run for the presidency in 2016. Kevin knows her, so I'll accept his assessment and put Mrs. Clinton down as "possible" for such a run. Then I'll wait and see what happens when the time comes. Until then, I am more concerned about the mess that we are in now. The year 2016 seems so far off. Even 2012 seems far off given the devastation that could occur between now and then as the result of this miserable SOB we call president and his commie-pinko ways. I just have to take it one day at a time. And I hope I don't lose my job. Or my home. So far, so good.
In times like these, we need Jesus. I just have to keep focused on that and do all I can to defeat Obama.
I decided to poke around a few lefty blogs to see what they were saying about the Hillary Clinton coming to save them meme…. What reality do these folks live in?! LMAO
http://shakespearessister.blogspot.com/2011/08/on…
Interesting article: http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/08/how_stupid…
Excellent analysis, but I think 2020 would be better for her than 2016, because after 8 years of a Republican Presidency that will be savaged by the media even as it picks up the broken pieces & puts America back together, she'd not be running against an incumbent with a proven record of success. 4 years won't be long enough for people to forget just how badly the Dems screwed us, but in 8 years, there'll be a bunch of new school indoctrinated voters who were just kids during the Obama years and while their parents suffered, those kids didn't lose their jobs during the Obama Depression and likely, none of their friends would have been killed by the jihadis Obama enables, unlike the previous generation.
But there is one thing you haven't mentioned about Hillary, and that is the fact that as Secy State she has been drinking the Obama Jew Hating Islamocoddling Koolaid, as demonstrated by her working with the despicable OIC & UN to criminalize "offending" the perpetually offended death cult of islam with sharia "anti-blasphemy" laws. Also, thanks to her aid Huma Weiner, Hillary is in bed with the Muslim Brotherhood. Maybe she's just doing it to keep her job, but unless she renounces all her work shilling for Obama on the global stage, that' gonna be a powerful stank on her which won't easily wash off.
If she gets hit with a cluebat by 2020 and gets the islamocoddling jihad enabling taint off of her and remembers that she used to have a large Jewish base of supporters, I think we likely would see her in the Oval Office, but not in 2016, it will be 2020.
I Love Hillary! & This Article Really Dissapointed Me! I Know She Must Be Exhausted! & Would Put Her Under So Much Stress! .. But, WE NEED HER! .. DEAR: HILLARY CLINTON PLEASE! PLEASE RUN! .. THE NATION NEEDS YOU NOW! ; )
Thank you, Kevin! This is the best, most honest and probably correct assessment of why HDRC won't save the Dems from their own disaster this time around.
I think you've called it just as it really is; at least, so far as those of us who don't routinely discuss tactics with HDRC can figure it.
Not sure I agree with you about Hillary not being a leftist. During the 2008 campaign see stated she is a progressive.
http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2007/7/24/…
Also, she wrote her senior thesis on the leftist radical activist Saul Alinsky. She also had a personal relationship with him during her youth in Chicago.
I would say calling yourself a progressive and writing about "Rules for Radicals" author Alinsky is pretty far left in my book.
Maybe others can explain this away, I am just not so sure.
I did enjoy the story and do agree with all the other points.
I'm with you except on # 3. Hillary differs from Obama not one whit in what her eventual goals are. She's every bit the Marxist that he is.
Look at Hiilarycare – every bit as bad as Obamacare, and stupidly handled, too. She greatly overestimated her support, and got whacked as a result.
Is there a difference? Well, she might have learned from that lesson, and not push as hard. Maybe.
But the direction will be the same.
But I have my doubts that she's smart enough to have learned the lesson. I can't see anything notable she's done on her own. Senator? Please. That was a gimme. She didn't have any credible opposition. Why was she handed the New York Senate seat on a silver platter.
Her husband was President. That's all.
If it had not been for Bill, Hillary would be an unknown.
Think otherwise? Then how did she get SHELLACKED by a nobody like…. who is that guy? Oh yeah, he gave a speech at a convention a couple of years ago.