Three Reasons Hillary Clinton Will Never Be Barack Obama’s VP in 2012 — and an Implication for President Palin in 2016
HillBuzz.org was originally conceived as a Hillary Clinton 2008 presidential campaign supporters’ site. Though our focus has shifted since then, and everyone involved with HB has left the Democrat Party for good at this point, HillBuzz Founder and Editor-in-Chief Kevin DuJan still follows Hillary Clinton’s career with great interest and appreciates her serving the country as the sole grown up in the entire Obama administration. Here’s Kevin’s Top Three Reasons Hillary Clinton Will Never Be Barack Obama’s VP in 2012 (So Stop Fantasizing About It):
I worked on Hillary Clinton’s 2008 presidential campaign and actually founded HillBuzz.org with fellow Jacksonian, conservative Democrats in the bitter, February, cold of the Clinton-Obama primary battle. Though I write more about Governor Sarah Palin these days, and am supporting her own bid for the presidency in 2012, I still follow Secretary Clinton’s career with great interest and have maintained my friendships from Team Hillary back in ’08 with many in similar situations to mine.
“Hillary Derangement Syndrome” (HDS) causes many Republicans to foam at the mouth and completely ignore anything Hillary related, which is foolish because everything the Left did to Secretary Clinton in 2008 they will try to do again against Governor Palin next year. There is just one Alinsky Rules book of vicious Leftists tactics, and it’s recycled over and over again against female politicians in particular. The Left gets away with it, of course, because conservatives never pay attention to weaponized Alinsky strategies aimed at Democrats like Hillary, and even conservative males never stand up for women on the Right who are brutalized by the Democrats’ many assigned good squads (most particularly by what I call the “Gaystapo”, which is a faction of the gay community specifically charged with demonizing Christian women like Governor Palin, Congresswoman Michele Bachmann, Governor Jan Brewer, etc).
I’m sure comments on this thread will fill up with the same attacks on Hillary Clinton that people on the Right have been parroting since the 1990s, even though she’s the only adult in the entirety of the Obama administration. Simultaneously, others will repeat the same attacks on Governor Palin that brand her “too polarizing to win!” or “unelectable!”. These are the exact same pejoratives aimed at Hillary three years ago when she was the biggest threat to Obama’s election…three years before Governor Palin became the biggest threat to Obama’s re-election.
Whenever I mention Hillary Clinton and Sarah Palin in the same sentence, and people realize I was a Hillary Democrat before I became a Palin Republican, I get the same questions I’ve already answered on this site hundreds of times already, in the 9,000+ essays I have posted here in the three and a half years since my friends and I started this site.
I read a lot of articles on various conservative sites positively obsessed with Hillary Clinton, but no longer as the grande dame of boogeywomen she served as in Republican imaginations until the Obama presidency. Once Dick Cheney, of all people, admits Hillary would have, indeed, been a much better president than Obama you must realize even the most ardent HDS cases run their course when confronted with the reality that everything the Right THOUGHT Hillary Clinton was…Barack Obama actually IS…and that he’s EVEN WORSE than anyone could have possibly imagined he’d be.
A new fantasy about Hillary Diane Rodham Clinton that’s repeated endlessly in the conservative blogosphere these days, and even repeated by the likes of Cheney himself, is that Hillary Clinton would either challenge Obama in 2012 or replace Joe Biden on the ticket and be Obama’s VP. I refudiated (as any Palin Republican would) the Hillary ’12 theories in a previous essay, but today I want to squash the Obama/Clinton mashup conspiracy theories because I see three very clear reasons Secretary Clinton will not go anywhere near the doomed Obama 2012 re-election campaign.
(3) The Obama 2012 re-election campaign is doomed, so why would Hillary Clinton want to be anywhere near it when the doom hits the fan as all of Obama’s 2008 fans not only desert him, but PUNISH him for his endless broken promises.
Hillary Clinton is a lot of things to a lot of people. Personally, I think she’s one of the nicest women I’ve ever met and I owe her so much for what her campaign did to inspire me to become a political writer, often against my will (I thought the idea of starting a website was silly, and I didn’t want to do it, until a friend of Hillary’s herself urged me to here in Chicago). There were some very personal things that she, herself, and her good friends did for me that I will be grateful for the rest of my life…which means I’ll never be disloyal to her, even though I don’t cover her movements exclusively on HillBuzz.org anymore (and moved onto a new banner and site design this year, with a new direction for my team that’s no longer Hillary focused but will always be Hillary respectful).
There were stretches in the 2008 primary season where I got to talk to Secretary Clinton in person three or four times a week while I staffed events. Every time I saw her, she’d pick up our conversation right where we left off, joking with me like she was an aunt or a favorite teacher at school. She has an amazingly sharp memory and a golden laugh that fills a room. I had never met anyone that famous and powerful who was also so down to Earth and normal (and very caring), until I got to shake Governor Sarah Palin’s hand and saw how she treated people very similarly.
I’ve been through this enough times to know some of you are already revving up to come after me in comments for putting these two women in the same sentence together again, but I think these attacks are ridiculous and cliche at this point. I’ve heard this stuff too many times, and none of the rehashing is ever original. Yes, they’d approach the presidency differently. Yes, they operate differently and see the Constitution in different ways. But, man alive, these two got treated exactly the same by the combined forces of the Left, the Cocktail Party GOP establishment, and the agenda-driven media back in 2008. They each pose a threat to the same trio of destructive forces that have come precariously close to ruining America, so they each must be worth supporting for some similar reason.
Obama’s surrogates called Hillary Clinton a racist, a witch, and all manner of other pejoratives up and down, left and right. These same vicious assaults are made on Governor Palin’s good name as well.
Anyone who defended then-Senator Clinton was similarly attacked, like Geraldine Ferraro and the late Stephanie Tubbs Jones. Ferraro was maligned as a RAAACIST!, with Obama dispatching Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Henry Gates, John Lewis, Charlie Rangle, and every other shameless race-baiting huckster he could find to absolutely crucify a former trailblazer in the Democrat Party. I know for a fact this broke Ferraro’s heart, and I was not surprised when she passed away just two years or so later, since her health rapidly declined after that. I swear, you do not know what it’s like to have the Alinsky nuclear weapons of RAAACIST! accusations used against you until something this awful is done to you. It changes your DNA and kills your soul, to be targeted for an orchestrated defamation assault by the Race Industry. I believe, truly, this is part of what killed her.
I also think the cruelty and extreme evil aimed at Congresswoman Tubbs Jones is what contributed to her own death in August of 2008, after this Cleveland hero (a local legend in my home town, and also one of the nicest people I have ever met, who actually wrote a college recommendation letter for me and used to bug me to get into writing before I ever even dreamed something like HillBuzz.org would consume my life) was targeted by Obama’s goons because she was a black woman who proudly stood with Hillary Clinton and defended her against any and all attacks. For that, Stephanie Tubbs Jones was called an “Aunt Jane’ (the female equivalent of “Uncle Tom”) and was berated by the Race Industry as a “race traitor”.
If I live to be 100, I will never forget the tasteless and unjustifiable way Obama’s supporters behaved the morning Congresswoman Tubbs Jones died — of a brain aneurysm while driving her car in Cleveland. Initial news reports said “Hillary Clinton supporter Stephanie Tubbs Jones lost control of car and crashed into median” and the Obama campaign forums lit up with gangs of bullies insisting the Congresswoman was drunk driving or on drugs and that’s why she crashed her car. They made fun of her death, and many said she got what she deserved for not backing Obama and betraying her longtime friend Hillary.
When it was revealed the brain aneurysm struck Stephanie Tubbs Jones while she was driving, and the Congresswoman found the inner strength to actually maintain consciousness to maneuver onto a grassy median so that NO ONE ELSE WOULD BE INJURED, and that she died a hero for using her last waking moments to make sure she didn’t harm others, the Obama zombies just erased all of their evil down the memory hole and pretended that whole morning didn’t happen.
But, I remember it. I will never forget it. I think about it at least once a week, and it is indeed one of the reasons I decided to keep hitting back at these monsters even though running this sight and being subjected to this nonstop daily evil myself has cost me my own health and has ruined my life in many personal ways…but I will not rest until Obama and every last one of the thugs who engaged in such evil, Alinsky tactics back in 2008 suffers a humiliating defeat.
When my boyfriend Justin came over to my apartment for the first time last year, in my room he picked up a framed photo I cherish and asked me why I kept such a terrible picture of myself and a black lady Justin didn’t recognize. It’s an awful picture of me, for sure, since I have about 20 pounds of extra, campaign weight on me from long drives snacking away on buses or eating pizza slices while phone banking…and the photo was actually taken in Akron, Ohio, after friends and I drove there together (all night, from Chicago) to work a Hillary event and do some canvassing in my home state. I was tired, drained, and suffering the killer fatigue of an exhausting primary campaign, but I still look thrilled because Stephanie Tubbs Jones spoke at the event and recognized me from Cleveland. She came over and gave me a big hug and my friend snapped my picture, so impressed by just how down to Earth and incredibly kind the Congresswoman was.
I tell you all of this because I was just a Hillary Clinton supporter who was part of the campaign at its lowest level, having adventures on the trail with my Chicago Team Hillary friends and writing about them here at HillBuzz. Almost everyone I know from those Team Hillary days feels — TO THIS DAY — the same way about Obama and the Democrat Party. I want to see the Jenga tower of precariously balanced Democrat Party identity blocs toppled, and the Democrat Party itself burned to the ground. I know people who were Democrats for 40 or 50 years who want nothing to do with the party and actually are repulsed thinking about all the time they spent helping the DNC that sold its soul permanently to the Left in 2008.
If we — the rank and file Democrats — feel this way then how do you think Hillary Clinton feels about doing a damn thing to help Obama get re-elected, when all those attacks were waged on HER and her friends and family?
She’s never going to agree to be Barack Obama’s VP nominee because the woman can’t wait to see Barack Obama get the comeuppance he’s deserved since he and his supporters declared an all-out Alinsky nuclear assault on Team Hillary back in 2008.
I just know comments will fill up on this article with the stale, old, “Well, why did she become his Secretary of State, then?” nonsense or “Hillary Clinton wrote a paper on Alinsky in college!” claptrap. As noted earlier, I’ve been doing this for three and a half years now, so if you write these things in comments the moderators here will delete them because there must be two dozen essays in the HB archives covering all of this. I wrote a paper once in college about paleontologist Jack Horner, but that doesn’t make me either a velociraptor or an employee of the Field Museum today.
Because the black voting bloc is so important to Democrats, and no Democrat can have a future if blacks hate that person, Hillary Clinton had to become a part of the Obama Administration to prove she was not a racist after all. Remember, she and her entire Team Hillary campaign network were all called racists up and down throughout 2008 so that Obama could bully and intimidate his way to the nomination. If Clinton had not become Secretary of State, her political obituary would have been “Racist Hillary tried to stop a black man from becoming president and then when he asked for her help after he won, she was such a racist she wouldn’t do it!”.
Another reason Hillary wanted to leave the Senate and travel abroad for a few years was that she knew just how much insanity Democrats planned to get up to in the Senate and she wanted NO PART OF THAT AT ALL.
Hillary Clinton has avoided everything terrible Democrats have done domestically for the last two and a half years, because she wants to run for President again in 2016 (depending on what the world looks like then). This has been deliberate, and leads us to the fact that…
(2) It makes no sense for Hillary Clinton to have anything to do with Obama’s re-election campaign because as Secretary of State, longstanding convention maintains that she doesn’t have to be anywhere near Obama’s upcoming disaster. So, why on Earth would a supposedly ambitious and cunning Machiavellian with near Hera-grade magical powers ever put herself in a situation where she’d be blamed for Obama’s 2012 loss?
I’m sure you’ve heard that Hillary Clinton has no plans to continue being Secretary of State in 2013. She jokes that she’s looking forward to becoming a grandmother and settling into retirement, which is hilarious to anyone who has ever spent any time with this remarkable woman when reporters and cameras are not around. She’s going to be thrilled to be a grandmother — that part is true, and she probably has wanted that more than almost (key word, almost) anything else in the world — but Hillary Clinton didn’t stop running for president in 2008.
She suspended — but never ended — her campaign.
Have you ever thought it strange that the media often reports Hillary Clinton STILL has campaign debt and open accounts from 2008?
Why is that?
The Clintons have millions and could have paid all that debt off with a personal check. I don’t understand all the mechanics of it, but that debt’s being accrued, still, and remains on financial books because Hillary Clinton is still running for president and things are being done to reanimate her ambitions in 2016.
Blacks prevent her from running in 2012, so don’t start fantasizing about her challenging Obama. If she did that, blacks would hater her, and accuse her of “trying to take this away from a black man”. There’s just no way Hillary Clinton would subject herself or the people she cares about to another round of RAAACIST!, RAAAACIST!, RAAAAAAACIST!, caterwauling, rolling around on the floor, Alinsky-inspired soul-and-career-destroying attacks from the Race Industry like that.
Nope.
Not a chance in Hell that’s happening to Hill.
There is just no way that Hillary Diane Rodham Clinton would step down as Secretary of State (a position that protects her from having to be seen with Obama very often at all, and also prevents her from having to campaign in public for all the many, many Obama Democrats who will be trounced at the polls next fall) to become Barack Hussein Obama’s Vice Presidential nominee in 2012.
She gains nothing from doing this, since it’s clear Obama is going to lose, with only the question of by how much remaining.
Obama has a well-earned reputation of blaming everyone under the sun for problems he’s caused (except the actual sun itself, of course, which isn’t responsible for climate change in the Obama world because that’s the role Al Gore’s Anthropogenic Global Warming cult’s fundamentalist beliefs dictate in the Obama Democrat party).
If you are someone who keeps fantasizing about Hillary Clinton being Obama’s VP nominee, and you also can see that Obama is going to lose, don’t you see that after he loses he will…wait for it…BLAME IT ON HILLARY?
Man alive, black people would hate Hillary Clinton forever for that. It would be the end of her political career for sure. It would also mean she’d almost never be allowed to go anywhere near black people again, since the Race Industry would make her public enemy number one for “costing Obama a second term and taking the presidency away from a black man!”. RAAACIST! RAAAACIST! RAAAAACIST!
Crackers, please.
You are damn skippy if you think Hillary Clinton would risk her future to indulge in some bizarre fantasy world where she’d replace Biden and then let herself take the blame for Obama’s loss.
Knowing Obama’s ego, he’d just claim “If only I had kept Joe on the ticket, I wouldn’t have lost. This means the loss wasn’t about me, it was about people hating that racist b**** Hillary so much, so the Democrat Party needs to run me in 2016 for another term, or else you will prove that you all are racists just like the woman who cost me the election”.
As stupid as this may sound to you if you are a conservative, threatening false racism accusations drives terror straight to the heart of just about everyone in the DNC. Obama’s held the party hostage with threats of calling everyone there racists since all the way back to 2004, when he and his surrogates suggested it was racist for anyone to resist giving him the keynote address at John Kerry’s nominating convention in Boston.
Since conservatives don’t obsess over race, and Republicans don’t affiliate with the GOP because of identity-bloc requirement (and instead vote Republican because of fiscal and federalist beliefs), you might not realize how much race –and Alinsky Methods threats of being called or calling someone else a racist — continue to dominate the Democrat Party.
If you’ve ever wondered why Hillary Clinton has done something, in the years since 2008, it’s more likely than not that she had to do it or else the Obama surrogates in the race industry would have called her a RAAACIST if she didn’t. Everyone who’s a Democrat is really and truly held hostage by the Race Industry.
And the Cocktail Party GOP establishment is terrified of defying these people too.
And, honestly, none of this is ever going to change until a black Republican becomes Vice President or President…so blacks can see that Democrats are not the only party that will put a black person on the ticket…and blacks can hear someone like future Vice President Allen West scold them for blindly voting Democrat all these years when Democrats do nothing but keep blacks poor, dependent on entitlement programs, and blind to just how much Democrats exploit them.
Just imagine what would happen to Hillary Clinton in the scenario where Governor Palin does indeed choose Congressman Allen West as her running mate…and Hillary did, in this fantasy to end all fantasies, replace Biden on the ticket with Obama. That would mean Hillary would have to attack West, so she’d be trying to stand in the way of the first black Vice President. And of course, she’d be excoriated for that. When Palin/West win in 2012 (no “if” about that in my book), Hillary Clinton would then have the ignoble distinction of being the woman who attacked the black man running for VP while simultaneously being the woman who cost the first black President his re-election.
I repeat: there is no way she’d do that to herself!
So, what WILL she do?
(1) Hillary Diane Rodham Clinton is running for President…in 2016.
Just as I maintain that Governor Palin started running for the 2012 presidential election the day after McCain lost his own presidential bid in 2008, Hillary Clinton began laying quiet foundations for her 2016 presidential bid on May 31st, 2008…the day it was essentially decided that the Left won the first round of the Democrat Civil War and Obama, not Hillary, would be the 44th President.
Sometime this spring, even the most Kool-Aid soaked, hopeychangey nutters realized the Republican nominee in 2012 will become the 45th President.
This means Hillary Clinton is now hoping to become the 46th President in 2016, which will be her last chance to sit behind the Resolute Desk in her own Oval Office.
I won’t get into a debate on whether this campaign will happen, because that’s too far in the future to speculate on, clearly, but there’s just no chance at all of it happening unless Barack Obama and everyone who supports him in the Democrat Party are absolutely decimated in next year’s election.
Phase One of Hillary’s 2016 plan is to let the Democrat Party’s chickens come home to roost and for payback to be one mighty bitch to everyone who backstabbed Clinton back in 2008.
Since Republicans have believed for over 20 years that Hillary Clinton is the master of all grudges, and in fact keeps an enemies’ list in her nightstand, hidden beneath voodoo dolls and her antique pin collection, it’s ridiculous to believe she wants to do anything but sit back and laugh on election night in 2012 as the Democrat Party is burned to the ground.
Remember what Hillary Clinton did the night of the 2010 elections?
She was — literally, down to the mile — as far away from DC as she could be without heading back in the other direction. She was in Papua, New Guinea, dancing on a beach and drinking mai-tais.
Seriously.
And she stayed there an extra day or so, on a fact-finding mission of some kind to determine whether being AS FAR AWAY AS HUMANLY POSSIBLE FROM THE DEMOCRATS IMPLOSION would be as fun as it sounded on paper.
She didn’t come back to Washington until Obama had left for a trip to Europe, himself trying to avoid any blame for what happened…but unfortunately for a man who dodged all work and all blame for the entirety of his life up to that point, Obama owned the Democrat Party, so he owned that mess.
Just as he’ll own the mess in 2012.
The effeminate black man who got all Ds and Fs in college (it’s true, he did, and was only passed because of Affirmative Action and the universities’ desires to stage success for an exotic guy with big ears, a broad smile, and a funny name…and produce his transcripts and prove me wrong if you believe otherwise) who was trounced left and right by a hardworking woman until the Left wrongly intervened and handed the nomination to him in 2008 is about to get battered and bruised by a woman in 2012 who is not going to allow the Left, the agenda-driven media, or the Cocktail Party GOP establishment to do to her what they did to Hillary Clinton to secure Obama’s one and only term.
I’m sure Hillary Clinton will toast President-Elect Sarah Palin’s victory on Election Night, falling asleep laughing at Obama’s downfall, possibly scratching his name off the list in her nightstand before she drifts off into happy Schadenfreude fueled dreams…waking early the next morning to begin Phase Two of her plans, which involves the rebuilding of the Democrat Party as a Jacksonian, conservative, Hillary Clintonian, centrist party that will systematically prepare Hillary to challenge President Palin in 2016.
This woman wants to live in the White House again and has no interest in waking up in the Naval Observatory in the morning.
And no amount of daydreaming or wishcasting on the part of the conservative blogosphere will change the fact that allowing herself to become Barack Obama’s 2012 VP nominee will do absolutely nothing to give Hillary Clinton the life — or address — she wants after her time in Foggy Bottom is up.
© 2011, Kevin DuJan. All rights reserved.
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I wish Hillary would run in 2012 as a Republican. Ronald Reagan was a democrat first. He realized that "I didnt leave the democrat party, the democrat party left me." Hillary could switch parties in a heart beat and many, many democrats would follow suit. In this environment the country needs a leader, Hillary is a leader. I will back whomever is the republican nominee is (even a ham sandwich) but wouldnt it be sweet justice to see Hillary beat Obama in the general election of 2012?
Kevin, Good article, but there is an interesting item about Governor Palin today.
http://themorningspew.com/2011/09/09/pigs-fly-nyt…
Good find Penny. This article actually articulates better than Palin herself what the strongest and most inclusively-cohesive message is that people all across the political spectrum could rally to. I think this writer brought up and consolidated the winning message for the next President . It is very Reaganesque. One that Obama himself cannot use because of his own ties to BIG unions, BIG corporations and special interest lobbyists. The great thing is that Sarah Palin herself has lived this message as Governor of Alaska when she stopped the corruption in her own party. We need to polish up this message and make it our own for 2012.
I can hardly believe that a lefty wrote these great things about Sarah! Gives me more hope (not Hopey changey)
"And, honestly, none of this is ever going to change until a black Republican becomes Vice President or President…so blacks can see that Democrats are not the only party that will put a black person on the ticket…"
I've said this before, but it's not in the GOP's interests to go after the black vote. It's too small to be worth the while. The cost of the gains to get even 15% would be too high. And what they would want in return for even that gain would antagonise other groups.
If the most qualified candidate is a black person, then that person should be on the ballot. But not as a sop to the black vote, which won't budge. Whites cast 80% of the ballots nationwide. They comprise 90%+ of the GOP vote .And that's *fine*. I have no problem with the NBA being 85% black, motel ownership being 50%+ Asian, and the GOP being mostly white. I don't get the obsession wtih diversity.
The only way the GOP can win is by valuing the votes they have any chance of getting. Frankly, the white GOP's obsession with minority votes strikes me as self indulgent. I think it has more to do with being able to tell other whites that they're not raaaaacist than any realistic political plan.
Diversity = artificially engineering the least amount of white people in a group as possible
I'm not going to lie, I'm no fan of Hillary Clinton. As a conservative I think she's an ideological soul mate of Obama's, even though I think she'd less ideological and more pragmatic. And I do think she is more patriotic than Obama.
You're absolutely correct, Kevin, Hillary would be dumb to tie herself any closer to this disaster of a mis-administration. And she sure as hell isn't dumb. Nevertheless, she has had a hand in America's disastrous foreign policy under Obama. If she had resigned in protest over them that's one thing, but she kept right on working for them and in my book she's as much a part of the problem as Obama.
I actually think she could win the Democrat nomination if she were to run in 2012. The Democrats are waking up to Obama's complete incompetence, and Hillary would provide a real alternative. Of course she realizes that would fracture the Democrats so as a good, loyal Democrat soldier she won't run.
Proud Infidel,
No one can win the Dem nomination from Obama in 2012. As a conservative, you might not get this, but race is everything in the Democrat party. Blacks are the most racist voting bloc in the country. If you oppose a black person in a Democrat primary, you are toast. You will be called a racist forever because you are not allowed to ever oppose or criticize in the slightest a black person. The Race Industry will come after you and will never leave you alone until something bad happens to you or you disappear from politics forever.
Anyone in Republican ranks who does not understand this about the Democrat Party needs to wake up and start paying attention because it’s one of the party’s fatal weaknesses if the GOP could only better pit the Democrat identity blocs against one another so the whole Jenga tower crumbles.
AKA…my new mission in life, as of May 31st, 2008.
And I am not the only former Hillary Dem who is on the mission, either.
You're right, of course, the Race Industry would be up in arms and attack Hillary and her supporters nonstop. She knows this and how it will hurt the Democratic party so she won't run.
I agree Kevin. Keep sending the message to those naive GOPers. Many of them still think Whites are a force in US politics lol
And they close their eyes and ears to the historical times we are living. They still think being a Mormon is not problema for Romney.
They still think Obama is toast and any white man over 60 can beat him.
White people cast 80% of the votes nationally. Blacks, Hispanics and all non whites are completely irrelevent. Try actually finding out the facts before you start writing, okay?
Yes! But turn out for Whites is not something you can't count on if you have a cool, young and charismatic first Black president.
Who sent Obama to the White House beating Hillary and McCain? Whites or Minorities?
Who won Democratic Party's 2008 South Carolina primary and how?
Who won Florida in the GE and how?
Minorities, especially Hispanics are growing in strengh , excitement and numbers. Read history and trends and then come back. If Obama keeps Minorities excited with him in 2012 there will not be "White" vote than can get him out of the White House.
Minority votes are vital in important states like FLORIDA, CALIFORNIA, COLORADO, INDIANA and OHIO.
And right now, the white vote is what matters. If the Cocktail Party gets its collective finger out wrt immigration and citizenship (big if, I know) the current trends can be changed.
Obama won because whites saw him as a status symbol. The white vote is what's important, because whites are the majority in the US, and because they're the only ones who bother to vote.
Kevin:
Obama opposed a black female candidate in his Illinois state campaign, and subsequently had her name removed from the ballot. A black candidate can be opposed by the correct 'left wing' black opponent. It happens all the time in CA politics as soon as you show any policy movement to the center. Black churches are notorious for supporting this type of politicing.
That woman's name is Alice Palmer.
Obama could only be challenged by another black person.
Anyone non-black would be crucified as a racist for opposing Obama.
You need to understand this: a Democrat who challenges Obama will lose the general election because Democrats need black votes.
No Obama means blacks will be riled up by the Race Industry to stay home next year on Election Day…that means if someone replaced Obama on the ticket, that person would lose the election.
That person's career would be over. Blacks would forever hate him or her for costing Obama a second term and Democrats would hold a grudge always because of that person losing.
You have to accept this reality because it is true….so it is foolish for anyone to say that there is anyone out there who is not black who could challenge Obama. And even then, that person would be taking on the first black man to win the White House and I bet the black community would still turn on even one of their own in this.
You just don't understand how paramount race really is to the Democrat Party or how racist black voters really and truly are.
I don't trust. Hillary should have run away from Obama at least a year ago. Yet, she was smiling after the signing of the failed stimulus. She was smiling after Obama took credit for Osama's death.
She is still Obama's SOS.
I think Hillary is Obama's heil Mary in 2012 and sorry folkzz but I have the feeling she would accept the offer.
There are two wild cards for Obama: Trump running as independent if Sarah is not the nominee and replacing Biden for Hillary.
Obama is dangerous crap but he is also politically SMART.
Spot on, Kevin! Although my 2012 dream ticket would be Clinton/Palin — that is, as an Independent ticket. I would love for them to make their own Parties irrelevant by forming an independent coalition to get this country back on track. Now THAT would be ground-breaking! As Gore Vidal says (I'm paraphrasing), "Let the girls have a go at it this time around."
Also, I just don't see SOS Clinton as BO's cheerleader, as some have suggested here, but rather as one giving this administration strategic lip-service. (In addition, staying on as his SOS also precludes her from campaigning for him in 2012!) This is why he and his minions have tried to disempower the post of SOS at every turn and have done their best to besmirch and undermine her and her accomplishments thus far. Notice how each time something positive emerges about HRC in the news, BO's media minions launch an all-out attack on her (or Bill). Such attacks run like clock work.
I agree with your points 2 and 3, however I don't think she will run in 2016 – the reason (and I'm not being an Eeyore – at least I don't think so) is because she will be too old. She will be 69 in 2016 and in today's world (for both men and women) that is too old. I think anyone over 55 will be seen as too old. I'm 56 and I would not be interested in voting for someone who is older than me – I want someone with new ideas and the energy to implement them.
Here in Canada we just had an election with the winner being Harper (50) and the two opposing parties were lead by men who were 60 and 65 – while there were clear political differences, one of the things that stood out for me was when some very non-politically involved young people said that they would never vote for someone who was older than their parents (mid-50s). There is an upcoming election in my province in November – the two leaders – our current Premier who is in his late 40s and the opposition guy who is fast approaching 65 – it is no contest. We have a young population and they see anyone over 50 (families, employers, and politicians, etc.) as being out of touch.
Maureen,
I love you, but don't do the media's job for it by ever again repeating the lie that someone is too old.
It's ageism.
Even Ron Paul is not told he is too old, he's told he is too kooky.
This is another thing the media does to control the public: she's polarizing!, she's unelectable!, she's too old!.
Stop casting their spells for them.
Besides the age the Clintons will have to fight a younger(possible woman or a Latino) in the primaries. It will be the same crap over again. Look for an emerging woman or a Latino in the late 30s and early 40s in the Demoniatic Party now. He or she will run for president in 2016.
Sorry folkzz but Minorities are gaining strengh day by day.
Kevin, You got me thinking about Congresswoman Tubbs Jones funeral. I still remember obama showing up with his fake solemn look. It disgusted me. However, I remember the choir, I think it was a school, they were IMO, one of the best children's choirs I ever heard. Heavenly voices for the newest angel, STJ. Someone like her is sorely needed in the CBC these days.
I love Hillary. What a great President she would be. It is odd now I see that the GOP are right about most things now.
What if Obama bows out for "health" or "family" reasons? Disgust with him seems to be spreading even among Dems & the media. What if some behind the scenes PTB prevail upon him to step down? Then do you think Hillary would run? Do you think the media would love that scenario?
Interesting point, Irish, but do you really think George Soros and Obama's other handlers would ALLOW him to back out? Obama isn't finished destroying the country yet. I think the people who put him into office have a plan, and I don't think they're finished. Kevin, you may correct me, but I truly don't think anyone in the Dem party thought Obama would get where he is as quickly as he did – and the only reason he did is because of Soros and his money. I think they liked having their clean, articulate, young, reasonably good-looking (not Jesse Jackson or any relation thereto) black guy they could trot out at the conventions, but I don't really think any of them wanted him at the top. And Obama hasn't accomplished a lot of the things they wanted yet. Most of America is disgusted and tired and would love to see him go, but most of America did not finance putting him in the White House in the first place.
Have not been around for a while, but dang Kevin you still can bring it. Extremely well written and thought out post.
My only question – do you think Hilllary might be too old by the time 2016 rolls around? As in too old to give a krep, too old to handle a brutal campaign, and- as women are unfairly judged on looks, sad but true- too old to look good enough to be president?
Not counting her out, just asking the question. Shoot, I'd vote for her…wouldn't have said that back in 2008, but I'll say it now.
Life long Republican here, who would have crossed party lines to vote for Hillary — who represents 50% of our population. I watch and could not believe how the Democratic Party manipulated the nomination away from her — made me think they had something on her or Bill.
I then watched as Gov. Palin came into her own, and she will have my vote, if she decides to run.
Arguably Hillary won the nomination but at the crucial meetin in May 2008 the "Super delegates" were bribed with campaign cash etc to switch their pledges to Obama. That's why the DNC convention that August had no traditional States' roll-call because no one was sure what would happen. Publicity hound Gloria Allred was seen wearing duct tape on her mouth in protest !
All in all it was a third world campaign with most of the excesses committed by Obama against fellow Democrats, see wewillnotbesilenced2008.com for examples.
I’ll give you a reason four, but from the Obama perspective.
Having a well-known, incompetent buffoon as VP is Obama’s life insurance policy, much like having Dick Cheney (the only man scarier to the left that Dubya himself) as VP was Bush’s. It keeps the odds of your domestic enemies from doing something evil and stupid at a minimum.
Katie — good one.
You are 100% right.
I am English but follow American politics closely and have done since I majored in them in my university days. I was astonished that Obama was elected given his total lack of any experience of any sort and his somewhat opaque background that seems to have left no footprints. Funny thing is I never thought of Obama as Black but I never thought of him as American either. By this I don't mean where he was born but he seemed to have no affinity to the people or country that I know. To be honest if I had been voting in the last election I wouldn't have voted for either of the candidates, I don't know how McCain got chosen either! I was no great fan of Hillary but she would have been infinately better as President, now I think anyone would have been. It is a national disgrace that Obama was not vetted at all and I hope for your wonderful country that never happens again and the MSM should be thoroughly ashamed at what they have inflicted on your country. I will watch developments with interest but would be surprised if Sarah Palin runs this time.
I think Kevin makes some good points. Hillary was very badly treated by the Democratic establishment in 2008. A primary fight would ruin her future prospects and accepting the VP nomination would just drag her down with this woefully incompetent president. Hillary is a smart lady. She has time. I can't see myself supporting her over a Republican candidate, but I respect her toughness. She's earned the right to sit back with a big bowl of popcorn next November and enjoy watching those chickens coming home to roost.
Thoroughly brilliant analysis, Kevin! Nobody else, anywhere can do what you do! Please keep it up, and please take good care of your health. We need you for the 2012 election!
Kevin, I'm no big fan of HRC, but to give credit where due – the woman HAS worked, and worked hard, for her beliefs. {Note: The vast majority of HillBuzzers, I daresay, have never even come close to Kevin's level of friendship with HRC – to our collective disadvantage, because from his description, she sounds like someone I'd LIKE to know}.
Personally, I believe the "Big Thing" that would prevent her accepting second-fiddle status to Teh Won would be her sense of personal pride – NOT pride in the sense of one of the Seven Deadlies; rather, pride in what SHE has accomplished, which was used against her in 2008. {Of course, there wasn't a lot for Teh Won's followers to trumpet about HIM, so they HAD to attack anyone who HAS accomplished anything.} I LIKE Trixta's idea about a Palin/Clinton ticket – I AM hoping that President Palin makes use of HRC's strengths & abilities, whether as Secretary HHS, or whatever.
Semper Fi'
DM
Your comment about how the Alinsky attack machine ("RAAAACIST!") broke Ferraro's heart — how being the victim of such unjust character assassination actually alters your soul — made me think of two things:
1) It gave me some insight into why George W. Bush once said that the worst thing he went through as president was people saying, after Hurricane Katrina, that he hated black people.
2) It's testament to just how resilient Sarah Palin, Paul Ryan and maybe a few others really are, to be the victims of such attacks and yet manage to keep their graciousness and good humor.
I get a sense that Hillary and Bill will support Sarah [probably under the radar] for POTUS 45. What is your educated guess Kevin?
Ya know, I'll accept that under the political rhetoric, Mrs. Clinton is a decent person. I'll even agree that she's gotten a raw deal from the Dems and would be a vast improvement over Obama.
Personally, I think the only way she'd run in '12 is if O. decided not to run (remember your thought about Parkinson's, way back when?) and strongly endorsed her. In '16 she could fight against the Horrible Republican Rule of the last four years. Hopefully the Rs would have grown a pair by then.
I still can't imagine voting for her. It's the issues and I think there are very few issues that she and I would agree on.
Personally, I think she should stay out of the big house and focus on her career as a commentator. Maybe she could become the opposition commentator that so many would like to have challenging Rush (and earning decent to high ratings while doing so.)
I remember well the primaries of 2008. I was a solid Hillary supporter though I didn't work on her campaign. I remember being asked by a group of fellow students working with the Obama campaign, which candidate I supported. When I said Hillary, I was asked directly why I didn't support Obama. I informed the group that I didn't feel he was qualified to be president at the time. I was asked if I would support him if he was the nominee. My reply was that it depended on who the GOP nominated. I was quickly informed that the only reason that I would not vote Obama is because I must be a racist. The accusation by them actually pushed me into voting McCain.
Hillary was right to take the Secretary of State job. I believe that she will run in 2016 regardless of who wins this election. I think there is a possibility that Obama might survive, which is actually better for Hillary because Obama would find the presidential term limit preventing him from running again. Obama need only hold all the Kerry states and win Florida. I can hear the we need to protect social security from the GOP commercials now. I predict that the GOP VP candidate will be either Jeb Bush or Marco Rubio in an attempt to win Florida, as there is no easy path to victory for the GOP without it.