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The Tolerant Left in Action: Gaystapo Attacks Gay Republicans in Iowa

Posted on January 5, 2012 by Kevin DuJan // Being Gay, Boystown

One of the most important things you need to know about “The Tolerant Left” is that as a gay conservative and Christian man, I have always been treated better by conservatives and Christians for being gay than I’ve been treated by the “gay community” for being conservative and Christian.

The “gay community” yowls so loudly about discrimination as cover for the hate-fueled attacks gays launch on a daily basis against Christians, conservatives, and Republicans; it is a classic and effective strategy because the “gay community” gets to do to others all the things it claims are being done to them and no one in conservative ranks is brave enough to call them out on the hypocrisy.  Welcome to the dark side of Boystown’s rainbow, where all the Left’s dirtiest attacks on Republicans originate.

I want you to take a moment and read this article in the Washington Blade on gay Republican Caucus-goers in Iowa — but don’t focus on the article so much (which is innocuous) and instead look at the pure unadulterated hatred that’s on display in the COMMENTS. What you’ll read is pretty standard fare for any article that attracts attention from gay readers who have been conditioned to lash out irrationally and emotionally whenever they feel prompted to perform the way “gay community leaders” repeatedly instruct them to perform in public forums.

It’s actually quite fascinating how much cognitive dissonance exists in the “gay community”, and how a group of people who routinely complain about being supposedly “hated” by Republicans are, in fact, the only ones on the field displaying any hatred at all. This is an old-school Alinsky tactic:  always accuse the other side of doing to you what you are aggressively doing to them so you can more easily get away with it.

I think it’s time I let you in on what’s been going on here in Boystown with me and the “gay community” and what I’ve been subjected to by the “gay community leaders” in Chicago — all because I’m an outspoken gay Republican and openly Christian and (most importantly) because I don’t support the use of the term “gay marriage” (when civil unions are what’s appropriate). That last one has gotten both drinks and punches thrown at me, because I am one of the gay men who insist that “marriage” is a religious term and no one has any business trying to take the sacrament of Marriage away from the church; there is no “gay baptism”, “gay communion”, “gay confirmation”, “gay holy orders”, or “gay last rites”, so there should be no “gay marriage” either.

“Civil unions” is an awkward and cold term, but it’s an accurate descriptor of the rights that gay couples should have under the law. I’ve long written on these pages that all consenting adults should be entitled to a “civil union” under the state that forms the basis of a contractual personal relationship between two committed individuals of legal age regardless of their gender — but “marriage” is a religious sacrament that is arbitrated by the Church, not the state, and it’s blasphemous to reappropriate the word “marriage’ into something that it most assuredly is not.

I’m going to get a “civil unioned” to my boyfriend this fall; I wish there was another word that was easier to say than “civil unioned” but that failure rests with the “gay community” for not being creative and inventive enough to coin a better term for “civil unions” that is distinct and reflective of the fact that this is a purely secular, non-religious union.

Once people have a civil union under the law, they are free to have whatever ceremony they want on top of that in their church or community.  That’s when straight people get married in their church — in a religious sacrament — and gay people can have a “commitment ceremony” (or whatever better, inventive, creative term can be coined for this in the future) that is festooned with tradition and meaning in the “gay community”.

I’ve become a pariah in Boystown not just for my support of Sarah Palin and the Tea Party and my opposition to Barack Obama and the Left, but mainly for my insistence that it’s childish and flat-out wrong for the “gay community” to direct hatred at Christians for refusing to allow the word “marriage” to be redefined as something this sacrament is not.  Because I write often on this topic and speak about it on radio and TV shows I guest on, I’ve attracted a cadre of self-styled “gay activists” who believe it’s their duty to punish me for not toeing the Left’s line and for encouraging other gay men to leave the Democrats’ plantation.

Beginning in the fall of 2010, I started being harassed by the staff of the Boystown bar Sidetrack because I’m a gay Christian and am a recent convert to the Republican Party (after having been a Democrat my entire life until 2008, when the Party left me by veering so dramatically to the Left).  Sidetrack was once my favorite bar in Boystown, but this harassment led to my ultimately never intending to set foot in the place ever again. The bar’s owners, Arthur “Art” Johnston and Jose Pepin “Pepe Pep” Pena, continually purport to be “the leaders of the Chicago gay community”, with Johnston in particular fancying himself the “Midwest’s Harvey Milk”.  For years, I bought into that propaganda because the bar constantly hosts very well-produced fundraising events for Equality Illinois (EI) — which is an organization that Johnston founded that claims to “fight for equality of all people in Illinois”.  In reality, EI is just another cleverly-disguised tool in the Left’s Alinsky weapons-chest and the organization has no problem at all when people who are Christian or who identify as Republican are being harassed by the “Gaystapo”. “Equality” isn’t equal for everyone and “Equality Illinois” looks the other way in Illinois (and all states) when the harassers are gay and the victims are Christian and conservative instead of atheist Leftists like “gays are supposed to be”.

The term “Gaystapo” is what I’ve long called those gay men who self-appoint themselves arbiters of what’s “right” in a place like Boystown and who aggressively assail anyone who doesn’t toe the line of thought and speech that the Democrat Party sets for gays.  In essence, the “Gaystapo” is the goon squad that comes after you if you’re gay but also Christian, Republican, or conservative in any way.  The Tolerant Left mandates that if you’re a guy who just happens to like other guys then you MUST fall in line, vote only Democrat for the entirety of your lives (no matter how crazy and economy-killing Democrat policies are), and you must direct unmitigated hatred at Christians and Republicans at all times. If you don’t blindly follow these directives, you will be punished by the Gaystapo.  This includes but is not limited to: social ostracism, harassment in gay bars by staff and drunk patrons, physical violence, career blacklisting, and the retaliatory harassment of people you love if the Gaystapo can’t do anything to you personally (ie, if they can’t hit me directly then they go after my boyfriend or my close gay friends to punish them for being associated with me).

Doing their part as the resident Gaystapo “godfathers” here in Boystown, Johnston and Pena use the bar Sidetrack in Chicago to rev up a sustained hatred of Christians, conservatives and Republicans by playing incendiary videos on the massive screens mounted throughout the bar. This is actually very unusual for a gay bar, since the other clubs here in Boystown at least exclusively play music videos (and maybe clips of old Showtunes here and there at sing-a-long events throughout the week); Sidetrack long ago made the activist decision to include incredibly mean-spirited and hate-mongering “comedy clips” in their video rotation designed to inspire hatred for Christians in general and specific Republican political figures such as Governor Sarah Palin, Congresswoman Michele Bachmann, columnist Ann Coulter, and others. Remember in 1984 when the “two-minute hates” would jarringly pop up on screens out of nowhere and direct people to irrationally hate their “enemies” without any reason given for such hatred?  That’s what it’s like being in Sidetrack, grooving to a fun pop video, and then seeing a brutally misogynist attack on Sarah Palin fill the screens out of nowhere and continue until the crowd’s shouting “Kill that b****! Rape her! Make her dead!” (which are actual quotes from Sidetrack patrons during one of the ongoing “twelve-minute hates” directed at the Governor by Gaystapo godfathers Jonston and Pena in Chicago).

90% of the Republicans attacked by Sidetrack on a regular basis are women, because the dirty open secret in any gay enclave like Boystown is that the only thing gay men hate more than Christians or Republicans is WOMEN.  Misogyny’s on tap at places like Sidetrack, where it’s given away free of charge seven days a week. The prime vehicles of delivery are the giant video screens that captivate the intoxicated with political and religious torture porn to condition them to have this aggressively hateful Pavlovian response whenever hearing a Republican’s name.

I’ve written a few articles in the past about some of the more egregious things that Johnston and Pena do at Sidetrack to completely contradict the stated mission of their nonprofit Equality Illinois organization.  During the 2010 Governor’s race here in Illinois, Sidetrack devoted all of its windows facing Halsted to massive signs that declared Republican gubernatorial candidate Bill Brady to be a bigot; they borrowed the Ghostbusters’ circle-with-a-line-through-it and smacked Brady’s name where the ghost would be, encouraging the guys who frequent the bars in Boystown to direct hatred towards Brady and “bust that bigot” wherever possible.  An equivalent of this in another Democrat identity-based subgroup would be a business in a black neighborhood putting up a window display indentifying a particular person as a RAAACIST! and encouraging black people who saw it to “do whatever needs to be done to that man”.  No explanation for why Sidetrack declared Brady a bigot was given, and no evidence for Brady being a “bigot” was needed because in the gay community being a Christian or a Republican makes you an automatic enemy and people like Johnston and Pena never understand what hypocrites they are for revving up hatred like this while simultaneously sitting on the board of “Equality Illinois” — where, of course, they regularly complain about perceived hatred being directed at gays.

The absolute worst example of this blind hypocrisy happened on January 12th, 2011 — the Thursday immediately after Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords was shot in a Tucson, Arizona assassination attempt on Sunday January 8th.  While the rest of the country was reeling from the shock of this tragedy, at Sidetrack, co-owner Pena was playing a video he had created in Sidetrack’s in-house editing facility that depicted the assassination of Governor Sarah Palin and her entire family with fetishistic and gruesome detail.  It was the single most shocking thing I’ve ever seen aired in a public accommodation; if it had been an actual movie, it would have been NC-17.  Pena personally stood in the VJ booth laughing hysterically while he watched a video play that showed the Palin family in the woods being mowed down into their graves like the Romanovs; this was a clip that Sidetrack lifted from some tasteless online comedy site and re-edited to be bloodier and more graphic than what originally aired.  Just four days after Congresswoman Giffords was shot in an assassination attempt, the supposed “leaders of Chicago’s gay community” thought it was hilariously funny and politically appropriate to screen an extended, 12-minute long hate reel of footage depicting the brutal murders of Governor Palin, her husband, and her children in a firestorm of bullets discharged from assault rifles.While Sidetrack’s owners laughed and encouraged their patrons to shout “Kill her! Rape that b****! Make her dead!” at the screen.

It was like the torture porn of the Saw movies, designed personally by Pena to punish Governor Palin for being a Christian, a conservative, a Republican, and (perhaps most importantly of all) a WOMAN.  The video had a strong “Take that, b****!” attitude to it — just like most of the “comedy” videos Sidetrack plays. Another favorite video of Pena’s is one that’s aired every Thursday on “Comedy Night”:  it’s a video of an elderly woman being raped by a large, Marmaduke-type dog.  The woman begs for help as the dog starts mounting her, but her sick relative holding the camera thinks it’s funny so he allows the dog to push the woman to the floor and ready her for sex. I’ve personally seen Pena up in the VJ booth laughing hysterically at this, too — truly enjoying himself as a woman being raped by an animal screams for the horror to stop.Welcome to Sidetrack…would you care for another frozen margarita?

At any event where a Sidetrack staff member’s given a microphone to speak, part of the program involves some sort of hate speech directed against Christians, conservatives, and Republicans.  It’s always jarring, since it will be something like a Halloween costume contest and in the middle of announcing the winner the MC will start into a rant about how Christians and Republicans are the enemies of the gay community and how everyone in earshot needs to take to the streets and “get them” or “show them” or “teach them a lesson”.  It’s scary stuff, folks…and The Tolerant Leftists of the Gaystapo don’t have the slightest idea what hypocrites they are for marshaling so much consistent hatred against these straw men (and women) whom they keep claiming “hate us!”.

In reality, it’s not Christians, conservatives, or Republicans doing the hating — but it’s men like Johnston and Pena and other Gaystapo godfather “community leaders” who deliberately play two-minute-hate videos like those shown every night at Sidetrack that are intended to whip gay viewers into a hateful frenzy directed at “their enemies” and encourage them to shout expletives at the screen as if Republican political figures were live in the room.

As noted earlier, I started experiencing this Gaystapo hatred and harassment first hand in 2010, when one Sidetrack bartender came across my writing online and heart me on the radio talking about civil unions vs. “gay marriage” and decided I needed to be punished in Boystown for being a gay Christian who is conservative and a newly-minted Republican (instead of the Leftist Democrat I was required to be because I am gay).  So this individual, who I’ll call Dan for our purposes here, began revving up Sidetrack staff and bar patrons against me. He encouraged people to harm me physically, to bump into me and spill their drinks on me, and to ostracize me in the “gay community” by making me a pariah in Boystown.  He became a pretty dedicated stalker, too, because he’d do this not only at Sidetrack but anywhere else on the Halsted bar strip where he’d run into me; the end result was always the same: he’d point at me, tell people I was a gay Christian and a “Republican writer” and then ask people what they “were going to do about it”, nudging them to “teach (me) a lesson”.  On more than one occasion I felt that my personal safety was in jeopardy because Dan would deliberately choose the most intoxicated people he could find to rev up against me like this — since Dan took cues from his bosses at Sidetrack that he should be an arbiter of who “belongs” in the gay community and who doesn’t. Incredibly loud and drunk guys would come up to me in these bars and start shouting at me for being “a traitor to the community” while Dan and his fellow Sidetrack staffers sat on their bar stools, giggling, enjoying the confrontation they delivered me for my religious and personal beliefs.

It’s very similar to what happened to the guy on LOGO’s reality show “The A-List” in Dallas, where another gay Christian and conservative man was targeted for abuse because he had lunch with Ann Coulter one day. His punishment from the Gaystapo was the trashing of his car and a physical beating for meeting with “She Who Must Not Be Named” (as some in the Gaystapo refer to Coulter).  My punishment was being targeted for this harassment by Dan and his fellow Sidetrack workers, with the expressed encouragement of Sidetrack’s owners Johnston and Pena (the “Godfathers” overseeing the Gaystapo in Chicago).

All of it hit a head in May of last year when I was denied public accommodation at Sidetrack by a doorman who was encouraged to harass me by Dan.  I was told — directly — that “We shouldn’t even let your kind in here” and that I was a “traitor” to the gay community; “my kind” was defined clearly as a gay Christian, conservative, and Republican man.  At that point, I felt that Dan had gotten to too many staff members at Sidetrack and that I was no longer safe patronizing the bar.  I was genuinely afraid of being “accidentally” tripped or pushed down the many stairs in the bar or otheewise harmed physically by Sidetrack staff or patrons at Dan’s encouragement. That’s above and beyond these people doing petty things like putting something in drinks that I’d order to punish me.  I reasonably became convinced that if I kept going to Sidetrack that Dan would escalate things with customers and his fellow staff to the point where I’d be physically assaulted on the premises because of my religion and my outspoken personal beliefs (which did not jive with what Art Johnston and other “gay community leaders” mandated for gay guys living in Boystown).

Ladies and gentlemen, I present “The Tolerant Left” in action here in Boystown.

I have asked the City of Chicago to investigate this anti-Christian hatred that’s ongoing at Sidetrack and intend someday to get Art Johnston himself at a table where I can ask him why he thinks it’s appropriate for the man who created “Equality Illinois” to run a business where staffers target gay Christians, conservatives, and Republicans for abuse because they don’t toe the line the Democrat Party has set for them. I have repeatedly asked him for an explanation as to why Sidetrack insists on producing and airing the two-minute-hates directed at Christians, conservatives, and Republicans and why the bar revs up hatred in the gay community against women like Sarah Palin, Michele Bachmann and Ann Coulter (even going so far as to mock Palin’s Down Syndrome afflicted son Trig on occasion as well, in an effort to encourage hatred for the Governor).

If you’re a straight person who doesn’t often read gay magazines or newspapers, you might have no idea just how hate-filled and rage-fueled the “gay community” truly is — or how hypocritical it is for continually claiming to be victims, while simultaneously persecuting gay men and women who are Christian or who otherwise don’t fall in line with the group think of the “gay community”.

It’s important for conservatives at large to care about all this because 90% of the attacks on Republican candidates originate in places like Sidetrack, where the Gaystapo creates the memes that ridicule and attempt to tear down Republicans running for office. What starts in gay circles becomes trends that reverberate through pop culture and eventually hit conservatives where you live whether you realize gays have started the attack or not.

The Democrat Party has been using gays for this purpose for years, in much the same way that black people are used as thugs whenever a Republican needs to be destroyed and the most convenient means available to the Left is to gin up false accusations of RAACISM!.  Blacks are the first choice of an attack squad for Democrats, but gays are the B-Team since they are forever willing to scream that someone like Bill Brady is a BIGOT! or a HOMOPHOBE! when they have absolutely no evidence to support that.  Because they claim to be perpetual victims, the Gaystapo believes it can scream and shout whatever it wants about a Christian, conservative, or Republican whether there’s any merit in it or not.  A lot of these guys get so revved up by the videos played and speeches made in bars like Sidetrack that they feel like they’re on a crusade to viciously assault Christians, conservatives, and Republicans wherever possible — but most especially in an election year.

One of Barack Obama’s big strategies for re-election in 2012 depends largely on the twin Alinsky goon squads found in the black and gay communities working separately as engines of hate directed against Republicans. Blacks in the Race Industry will claim the ultimate Republican nominee is a RAAACIST! and will use thuggery and intimidation tactics to suppress the conservative vote (since so many Republicans are terrified of being called RAAACISTS! for standing up to Democrats and opposing Obama).  The Gaystapo will relentlessly mock the Republican nominee in the most explicit terms possible and will claim that person’s a HOMOPHOBE! in an Alinsky attempt to alienate that person from the support of Independent voters (who don’t like voting for someone they are convinced is hurting “those poor defenseless gays”).

This is a classic strategy for Democrats that works over and over again because so few conservatives are brave enough to even talk about what the Black and Gay communities do — and how shamelessly and horribly they behave — in service to the political aims of the Left.

You really need to start paying attention to the outrageously hateful comments that Gaystapo acolytes drop on articles like the one from the Washington Blaze at the top.  The Gaystapo is usually a month or two ahead of what the standard meme will be in the mainstream Democrat talking points.  Gay bars, magazines, and newspapers are sort of the meth lab and test kitchen for the attacks you will see Anderson Cooper, Rachel Maddow, Christ Matthews and other Leftist talking heads use further down the road (like a Broadway show that does a trial run in Chicago or San Francisco first, anything that’s intended to harm a Republican political candidate will be aired at Sidetrack in Boystown or some other gay bar to be focus grouped and workshopped before it’s “ready” as an Alinsky attack on the national scale).

I wish I could say there’s a way to get all this to stop, but Democrats keep black people on the plantation through entitlement programs and the continual destruction of black families and gays are kept brainwashed and hate-fueled by Gaystapo “godfathers” like Art Johnston here in Boystown who use their videos, speeches, and bar culture peer pressure to train every new generation of gay man that comes along to actively hate Christians, conservatives, Republicans, and women.

In both cases, if a black person or a gay man dares to think for her or himself and openly reveals a belief or point of view different from that mandated by the Democrat Party, then the respective Alinsky goon squads come out in force for enough skull-cracking to ensure the person attempting to leave the plantation is a “cautionary tale” to discourage other blacks or gays from being an open and proud Christian, conservative, or Republican too.

This is what we’re all really up against — just so you know what’s going on behind the scenes on the darker side of Boystown’s rainbow.

It will impact and affect you, even if you don’t ever think about where these two-minute-hates are produced and focus-grouped.

© 2012, Kevin DuJan. All rights reserved.

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65 Comments

  • Penny says:
    2012/01/05 at 11:08 am  Penny(Quote)

    Wow….enlightening and extremely courageous, Kevin. Thank you for this.

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  • Paul in N. AL says:
    2012/01/05 at 11:14 am  Paul in N. AL(Quote)

    Makes me feel lucky to live where I do. Way too much drama and crazies for me.

    So will all these same people who patron these establishments go out and vote seeing as how they're jobless due to the Obama economy?

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    • Kevin DuJan says:
      2012/01/05 at 11:31 am  Kevin DuJan(Quote)

      They will all vote Democrat, every year, no matter what.

      That’s what they have been brainwashed to do — and they truly believe that Republicans “are evil and want to kill (them” because that is what the Gaystapo godfathers like Johnston at Sidetrack keep telling them.

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  • khemo5 says:
    2012/01/05 at 11:35 am  khemo5(Quote)

    wow. that was a page full of crazy. cj came back in the comments tho and got their number: he said the same thing you do- it's easier to be gay with R's than be R with gays. and none of the gay bashers had facts- they just called them stupid and suicidal.

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  • mary martha says:
    2012/01/05 at 12:46 pm  mary martha(Quote)

    Great post Kevin.

    I wonder… what is your response to the uproar over the comments of Cardinal George? For those not from Chicago – the Cardinal said “You know, you don’t want the gay liberation movement to morph into something like the Ku Klux Klan, demonstrating in the streets against Catholicism."

    Of course, in response the Cardinal has been called a bigot and there have been calls for his resignation. The best part was? They then went and demonstrated in the streets in front of the Cathedral during Sunday Mass. Kind of making the Cardinals point.

    I have had many friends in Boystown who have told me I must be a bigot because I am a conservative Catholic. I like to point out I am friends with lots of people from many walks of life (including my friends in Boystown) … but they only know me as their 'token' conservative Christian. It leads to silence.

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  • subdjoe says:
    2012/01/05 at 3:51 pm  subdjoe(Quote)

    ((sustained applause))

    Well said, sir. Good that you have the brass to stand up this way.

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    • Arcas says:
      2012/01/06 at 3:41 pm  Arcas(Quote)

      Glad you are a pariah. What they need to do instead of shun you is just kill your sorry ass. You should be beaten and hungup in the street as an example of what will happen to anyone who is gay who betrays the community like this. Because you are selling yourself and sacrificing not just your rights but the GLBT communities rights and you should have your skull busted for it. You want to help the Republicans so badly well I hope no one helps you call an ambulance if I ever get my hands on you. See you around Halsted. I will be looking for you.

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      • Tamminator says:
        2012/01/07 at 6:49 pm  Tamminator(Quote)

        Hey, ArcASS, did you just openly threaten to kill Kevin? Do you know that I can see your IP address you stinking piece of shit? I can't wait to track your ass down and pass your information on to the FBI.
        You go ahead and try to kill Kevin you syphilitic moron.
        I'm fully locked and loaded, and I will fucking defend the man.
        Trust me, asshole, you don't want to see MY face around Halsted.

        I have to go now.
        I've got some work to do on several DEATH THREATS made on this site.
        You may think you can threaten to kill someone on their website, but I'm here to tell you that the law frowns on that in a BIG way.
        Watch out for that knock on your door from the POLICE, you worthless idiots.

        Oh, and one more thing ArcASS: Go FUCK yourself. I'm sure no one else will.

        For anyone on this site who doesn't like my language today, close your eyes. I'm pissed as hell, and I'm not holding back this time.

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  • libertygmom says:
    2012/01/05 at 4:02 pm  libertygmom(Quote)

    I hope that you have had enough abuse and will not spend a penny of hard earned money at that place. I am surprised you went back there this past May after all the bigotry witnessed and abuse you had experienced. That place seems more like a gang clubhouse run by a thug than a welcoming entertainment venue. Chicago has many fine bars, restaurants and cafes you can patronize where you will be welcomed as a valued customer. You might have to venture beyond boystown, but it would be worth the trip.

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  • cjwk says:
    2012/01/05 at 4:48 pm  cjwk(Quote)

    Bravo, Kevin! This is the same approach the left has successfully used with women to keep them on the 'plantation,' just as with the other voting blocs on whom the left parasitically depends to keep lefty-agenda spewing pols in office. The ultimate outcome will be the same: The individual members of these voting blocs will be kept dependent on empowerment-killing government largesse in one form or another (program funding, entitlement payments, government jobs and perqs) and their rights will never receive any more than lip service from the lefty pols for whom they lick stamps, make calls, go door to door, send money and vote.

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  • spiritof76nv says:
    2012/01/05 at 5:00 pm  spiritof76nv(Quote)

    How sad. Gays, blacks, women are just sheeple to the DNC. I dont know if they are self hating or not but I know I am not.

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  • Kevin In Az says:
    2012/01/05 at 5:04 pm  Kevin In Az(Quote)

    If I did not respect your opinion and come to your site regularly, I would almost say that this last post came from a complete whack job. But, you are my second go to, (right after Rush's website) for complete up to the minute truthful info on whats happening. This is going to anger a few people I am sure! Stay Safe! You and yours have now become a part of my prayers.

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  • Lola LB says:
    2012/01/05 at 6:13 pm  Lola LB(Quote)

    Do you find this same attitude amongst lesbians?

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    • Kevin DuJan says:
      2012/01/05 at 6:18 pm  Kevin DuJan(Quote)

      Lesbians are much, much smarter than gay men in almost all situations. Lesbians think for themselves. I have never seen a lesbian get caught up in a two-minute-hate.

      Lesbians are more apt to vote their pocketbooks and not fall for the rhetoric or do what the Gaystapo godfathers tell them to, just because they are gay.

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      • cjwk says:
        2012/01/05 at 6:30 pm  cjwk(Quote)

        Kevin, while I would agree with you overall, there are some notable exceptions. There are what I would call "knee-jerk leftists" among lesbians, who tend to wish to remain blind/deaf/dumb on the D 'plantation,' rarely questioning the anti-conservative memes of their faux feminist leaders and/or other lefty propaganda mills, including the meme that all Rs (and even most Christians) are anti-human-rights monsters, out to destroy, demean and/or enslave them, along with all women.

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  • jewels says:
    2012/01/05 at 6:27 pm  jewels(Quote)

    Be safe and watch your back. This article while brave to write, might put your face on their 12 minute movies.

    I am a Christian conservative and I guess I should add, straight woman, I hate no gays, why should I? I don’t agree with their life style, but I so believe the Bible, hate the sin and not the sinner…and as just a mere human, I too, am a sinner.

    I pray for your safety and peace.

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    • Kevin DuJan says:
      2012/01/05 at 7:06 pm  Kevin DuJan(Quote)

      They have already done that. There is nothing else they can do. They’ve already come after my boyfriend too to punish him for being with me. And they’ve already come after friends of mine for being associated with me.

      So there is nothing left for the Gaystapo to do.

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  • red923 says:
    2012/01/05 at 8:03 pm  red923(Quote)

    Stay safe, Kevin. You're one of the bravest people I've ever seen. If you need to get a restraining order against that "Dan" guy, do it. Praying for you guys.

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  • B.G. says:
    2012/01/05 at 9:56 pm  B.G.(Quote)

    I have immense respect for your position on the gay marriage issue. It is not far from what Senator Santorum has said about relationships between homosexual persons, "we honor those relationships, but we don't call them marriage".
    God bless

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  • bighealthystud says:
    2012/01/05 at 11:22 pm  bighealthystud(Quote)

    Thank you for your courage. It is so wonderful to read a story that so closely mirrors my own experience as a gay man, who happens to be a liberarian and federalist, and who also happens to have faith.

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  • palinpatriot says:
    2012/01/06 at 12:57 am  palinpatriot(Quote)

    This is not only brilliant insight and writing, it is the God-honest truth. I am gay and live in San Francisco and everything Kevin says is scarily accurate. I used to fear being an open Christian ex-Democrat conservative in San Francisco. Now, I wear Jesus T-shirts and Sarah Palin buttons and T-shirts. And much of it is due to Kevin. Thanks, Kev!

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  • david0296 says:
    2012/01/06 at 10:45 am  david0296(Quote)

    "It’s actually quite fascinating how much cognitive dissonance exists in the “gay community”, and how a group of people who routinely complain about being supposedly “hated” by Republicans are, in fact, the only ones on the field displaying any hatred at all."

    Seriously? I don't recall gay people trying to pass federal Constitutional amendments banning "conservative or Christian marriages". Virtually every GOP candidate has double-downed on their anti-gay platforms: They've willingly signed pledges that will disenfranchise gay Americans. They've agreed to form committees that will investigate gay people that are voicing their disagreement with Christian anti-gay rhetoric. Perry ran a political ad that condemned gay people serving in military openly, while equating that with preventing children in school from praying and celebrating Christmas (both of those are lies by the way). Santorum actually said that not only would he federally enforce marriage discrimination against gay citizens, but he would nullify all existing same-sex marriages. (Sounds a lot like theocratic rule, doesn't it?) He also said that people (specifically gays) do not have a right to privacy. Bachmann compared being gay with Satan. Cain said that homosexuality is a choice. So who exactly is doing the hating here? Where are all the Democrats that hold these positions?

    I'm sorry you don't believe that you're entitled to the same civil rights as straight citizens regarding marriage. The fact that non-religious straight couples are allowed to get "married" (not civil union-ed) should be a clue that marriage isn't solely a religious institution in our country. Plus the fact that straight couples can also marry at their city court house and receive a "marriage license" (not a civil union certificate) should also point out that the church does NOT own the word "marriage". By the way, who exactly issues marriage licenses in the U.S.? That's right, the state does, not the church. You've chosen to be religious. Congratulations. But our country is not a theocracy, and your choice (yes, it IS a choice) does not dictate civil laws in our secular society.

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    • EqualityNow says:
      2012/01/06 at 3:12 pm  EqualityNow(Quote)

      I agree with David. I am amazed that any gay man would admit to voting Republican and helping those who seek to kill us. The Republican Party wants to round up all gays and gas us and has wanted this since that vile zombie Ronald Alzheimers Reagan was in office. President Obama is the only thing that is preventing this from happening. I don’t know how a gay man can live with himself when he is supporting those who are trying to kill us. I suggest a healthy dose of suicide as a remedy for the writer’s inability to see who the enemy is. He thus becomes the enemy. I agree with David that he should be targeted and taken to task for this. I have no doubt that Mr. DuJan’s experiences with the gay community are very real but any negativity directed at him is deserved for betraying his community like this. He is like a Jewish Nazi or a black Klansman. You cannot be gay and vote Republican and not expect the gay community to rightfully punish you for this behavior. How do you think the Jewish community treated other Jews who supported their oppressors? Anyone with half a brain who does not recognize the Republican Party's demonization of gays to gain power and favor and MONEY right now (and hypocritically so…less government in our lives?) must just be so drunk with ideology they can't perceive plain and obvious facts anymore. And to be gay on top of it….just WOW. I hope you get AIDS Mr. DuJan and I hope your boyfriend gets it from you. Maybe then when you are dying and need the help of the community to survive then the community will have the opportunity to turn its back on you the way you have turned your back on the community by supporting Republicans. I wish you a short life and a painful death.

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      • RichardM says:
        2012/01/08 at 9:11 pm  RichardM(Quote)

        You’re stark raving insane, EN. Your Monica should be Need Help Now.

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    • RichardM says:
      2012/01/07 at 4:55 pm  RichardM(Quote)

      Far too used to commenters like this one, distorting or even outright inventing so-called 'things they said' hit pieces to believe much if any of this little screed. And that the state co-opts a thing does not make the co-opting right.

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      • david0296 says:
        2012/01/07 at 7:02 pm  david0296(Quote)

        Unless you've been living under a rock for the past few months, you must know that every single thing I said regarding those GOP candidates is 100% accurate. Saying I invented all those events, doesn't make it so. Just the fact that you didn't refute anything I said, pretty much tells me all I need to know.

        If you believe marriage is solely a religious sacrament for the purposes of procreation, then you'll need to ban the following groups of straight people from getting married: senior citizens, infertile couples, those not wanting children, and non-religious couples. I'm sure straight citizens won't mind having their civil rights taken away. Until that happens, your chosen religious beliefs have no bearing on whether or not gay couples should be able to marry.

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        • RichardM says:
          2012/01/07 at 8:23 pm  RichardM(Quote)

          For the record, I believe marriage should effectively be a right of passage for the purposes of sustaining a child-rearing relationship for the duration. The family has been attacked enough as it is.

          As for refuting your claims, why should I have to when you haven't provided a scrap of evidence to support them in the first place?

          Typical Leftist smear tactics.

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  • Chuck Anziulewicz says:
    2012/01/06 at 10:50 am  Chuck Anziulewicz(Quote)

    DEAR KEVIN:__It's nice to hear that you're going to be "civil unionized" with your boyfriend this year. I've often heard it said, "I don't care if Gay couples have their legal rights, just don't call it MARRIAGE."__Okay, then. Let's say, for the sake of argument, that the Supreme Court ruled that there was no Constitutional justification for denying Gay couples the same legal benefits and responsibilities that Straight couples have always taken for granted, but that those benefits and responsibilities could be granted to Gay couples under a different term … such as "civil unions." The rights under tax law, Social Security, etc. would be EXACTLY the same for Gay and Straight couples

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    • WillaWest says:
      2012/01/07 at 8:12 pm  WillaWest(Quote)

      And there should also be restrooms, water fountains, and other public accommodations that are marked as "gay" or "straight", right? Separate but equal, even if just in name, is not ever equal. Now, if you want to change the government terminology of civil marriages between straight people to civil unions too- then by all means it would be fine, and there would be no problem. If religious organizations want to call a civil union a marriage- fine, have at it. But in the civil, secular world they should either all be called civil unions, or all called marriage by our shared government.

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  • Eric in Chicago says:
    2012/01/06 at 10:54 am  Eric in Chicago(Quote)

    Funny the right wing Gay people talk of the Gaystapo when really the Gay Republicans are more like the KAPOS – the Jewish people who helped the Nazis. Voting and supporting the very people trying to take away rights of GLBT people. and why? because Mommy and Daddy raised you in a certain religion a religion that is an ACCCIDENT OF BIRTH? You could have been raised in any other family and been a different religion. So why would you betray your people over something like that? I don't get it.

    Being gay isn't a choice – being a GOP d-bag who supports our enemies or betrays their own people over their religion – IS. You are a traiter to our community and I hope you get what’s coming to you and somebody really does push you down some stairs.

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    • RichardM says:
      2012/01/07 at 8:35 pm  RichardM(Quote)

      You're right. Could have been born a Muslim, in a Muslim country, where they hang gay men high.

      Terrific argument you got going there..

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  • Eric says:
    2012/01/06 at 10:56 am  Eric(Quote)

    FYI – If I ever do see you in Sidetrack I will make sure it is your last visit to anywhere.

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    • penny4hb says:
      2012/01/07 at 8:55 am  penny4hb(Quote)

      Eric — thanks for showing the quintessential "tolerant left" at its finest. If someone disagrees with you, threaten their life. You have just shown the world what the left is really all about. Let no one doubt for one second the nastiness and pettiness of the "tolerant left".

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    • Tamminator says:
      2012/01/07 at 6:59 pm  Tamminator(Quote)

      You do that, motherfucker.
      I'll see you first, and by the time I'm done with you, you won't have a pair of balls.
      Bring it, pansy.

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    • Tamminator says:
      2012/01/07 at 7:08 pm  Tamminator(Quote)

      By the way, another IP address noted. Man, you really think I'm not going to report you, don't you?
      Well I am, you shit heads.

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  • cjwk says:
    2012/01/06 at 3:01 pm  cjwk(Quote)

    Marriage is a contract between people into which the state has injected itself because the state benefits vastly via taxation and via the ability to monitor and control people’s behavior and lives in many important areas. Note the different tax rates for “single” and “married” taxpayers, and the plethora of state laws and regulations for licenses, for dissolving the marriage contract through divorce, for "single" and "married" health care, insurance, etc., which make no explicit distinction between gay or straight "single" or "married" at this point. (Attorneys ultimately are the primary beneficiaries of such marriage-related state laws and regulations.) While I can understand and empathize with the gay desire/demand for equality regarding the spiritual bond/commitment of marriage, the desire/demand for equality in entering into a contract by which the state exerts such enormous control over people’s behaviors and lives seems contradictory, especially given gays’ fight against government intrusion into their private lives, a demand increasingly shared by many straights. (Straights have borne the yoke of the state’s intrusion into marriage for centuries. So, if gays truly wish to bear a share of that state yoke, then so be it.) But IMO, the state should be involved in the marriage contract less, not more, if at all. If adults, gay or straight, wish to marry, they should be able to simply have their marriage contract solemnized and witnessed in whatever manner they choose, be that in their preferred place of faith/worship, a local magistrate’s office, a private location, etc. But, IMO, nothing the state does or does not do has or should have any potential or power to strengthen or weaken the spiritual bond/commitment underlying a marriage. Only the two people involved, gay or straight, and in keeping with their own beliefs, can do that. Note that I am a senior citizen, for whom the notion of the marriage contract lost its luster some time ago, and I share my life with a partner via only the strength of our commitment to one another and a rather non-traditional partner contract we continue to evolve together with a bit of professional legal help. As one ages, there are many more reasons to NOT enter into a marriage contract than there are reasons to do so, and this is largely an outcome of the state’s centuries-old and continued meddling in marriage.

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  • Bane says:
    2012/01/06 at 3:54 pm  Bane(Quote)

    You are an Uncle Tom faggot and I hope you get AIDS.

    You are a bitte queen who don’t know whats right and I hope you die you trater.

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    • penny4hb says:
      2012/01/07 at 8:56 am  penny4hb(Quote)

      Bane — Excellent! More from the "tolerant left". Aside from the fact that you are a moron who can't even spell, you and Eric have "outed" yourselves. Calling names and wishing someone dies is more representative of the "tolerant left". You must be so proud of your intellect. It's very impressive.

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      • Kevin DuJan says:
        2012/01/07 at 1:04 pm  Kevin DuJan(Quote)

        Penny —

        Don’t even try reasoning with these people. This is the sort of hatred that bars like Sidetrack fuel against Christians with those “two-minute-hate” videos. There are a few generations’ worth of gay guys who have been so indoctrinated with this garbage that they can’t think for themselves…they just lash out with these ad hominum attacks whenever any gay guy decides to set foot off the plantation. They need to do this, they feel, because if they didn’t then more gay guys would leave the plantation and the Democrats’ house of cards collapses when that happens.

        Look around: the nasty, death-wishing remarks from Bane and Eric are unfortunately pretty common anywhere that the Gaystapo sees a way to publicly attack gays who are not falling in line and voting Democrat. These people have no facts, only hate.

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        • cjwk says:
          2012/01/07 at 2:34 pm  cjwk(Quote)

          Kevin, thanks so much for replying here. Like Penny, many of us wanted to respond to the thugs above, wishing to stand up for you, your courage, honesty and love for this country. Better to let the thugs' words stand, as they speak volumes about the very real hate/intolerance of the much-touted, so-called "tolerant left." Thanks for your wisdom.

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    • Nick says:
      2012/01/07 at 5:58 pm  Nick(Quote)

      Bane
      That is disgusting to say. So much hate in just that short paragraph. I am from the left and I have friends that are part of the log cabin. We may not agree on some things but I tollerate everyone. Kevin I wish you the best in life.

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    • Tamminator says:
      2012/01/07 at 7:04 pm  Tamminator(Quote)

      Hey, Bane, the only way he'd get AIDS is if he slept with YOU.
      And since no one on the planet will do that, you must be a very lonely queen.

      Oh, and please get someone to edit your writing. You don't want it to be so obvious to the whole world that you're a fucking MORON.

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  • dm60462 says:
    2012/01/06 at 5:58 pm  dm60462(Quote)

    "…I wish there was another word that was easier to say than “civil unioned”…

    "UNITED"

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  • Sojourner says:
    2012/01/06 at 7:40 pm  Sojourner(Quote)

    I truly believe that if gays would pick another word besides marriage they could get all the benefits they are seeking almost immediately.

    I used to listen to a local conservative talk radio host in Austin. Although I agreed with most of his political positions, his comments were so mean-spirited and hateful and his attitude so inflexible that I usually got mad and turned him off after about 15 minutes. I eventually quit listening to him at all.

    I think that a lot of gay marriage advocates suffer with the same problem that the radio talk show host had with me.

    Am I the only one that thinks that denigrating the people that you hope to convert to your point of view is a bad idea?

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  • Alex says:
    2012/01/06 at 8:56 pm  Alex(Quote)

    Hows your KAPOS friends?

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  • banjo10 says:
    2012/01/07 at 12:00 am  banjo10(Quote)

    I'd like to point out Jon Stewart's horrific and disgusting attack on Santorum these past few days. For people like me, I have to say Stewart is not doing gays any favors by his obscene "neologisms" a la Urban Dictionary.

    I know Hillbuzz is not a fan of Santorum. I'm not a fan, either, but some perspective has to be in place here… (I'm discouraged and distressed over how this primary is shaping up, but I'm not defeated. Is there any chance Perry could pick up the fallen banner?)…Santorum's not likely to be the nominee, he's sure far less than I'm hoping for, but he's telling it like he sees it and deserves better than he's getting.

    Shame on Jon Stewart.

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    • JAWs says:
      2012/01/11 at 6:31 pm  JAWs(Quote)

      Oh pleaseJon Stewart didn't "damage" that Rick Santorum's own horrific words didn't do itself. The things that Santorum says and promotes SHOULD be considered disgusting and now they are. Unless Jon Stewart called for taking away any of Santorum's rights, this isn't even comparable.

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  • Mawm says:
    2012/01/07 at 8:26 am  Mawm(Quote)

    What if you are Buddhist? Can we call it marriage then? I went to a Buddhist wedding of two lesbians a couple years ago, and it was very beautiful.

    What if your Christian church treats all people equally and has no problem performing gay marriages? Can we call it marriage then?

    What if two heterosexual atheists get married? Don't we call that marriage?

    Your reasoning doesn't make sense. We call it marriage in this country no matter what religion you are, so why should gays have a different standard?

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  • We're Coming For You says:
    2012/01/07 at 8:43 am  We're Coming For You(Quote)

    the GOP is a party of bigots and homophobes and I wish every republican was dead.

    president obama is going to get rid of all of you people once he wins his next term and nothing can stop him. so enjoy it while you can because we’re coming for you. you can’t ever win because white people are the minority now and obama will see to it that repugnacans like you are extinct soon.

    the jews were sent to concentration camps and gays who vote republicans should be sent there too. i can’t wait till you are dead.

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    • JLucas says:
      2012/01/07 at 2:47 pm  JLucas(Quote)

      This type of attitude doesn't help either cause, theirs or ours. Please stop.

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      • Sojourner says:
        2012/01/07 at 4:08 pm  Sojourner(Quote)

        Good example of what I posted on earlier in the thread, although it is so far over the top that it reads more like an attempt at sarcasm.

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    • Tamminator says:
      2012/01/07 at 6:53 pm  Tamminator(Quote)

      You just try coming for me, motherfucker.
      It will be your last day on earth.

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  • Freddie says:
    2012/01/07 at 9:59 am  Freddie(Quote)

    Hi Kevin,
    So happy that you're getting "civil unioned" in the fall! Congratulations!
    Can you remind us how many Republicans voted in the Illinois legislature for your right to get a civil union?
    And if marriage is a religious institution, I suppose all those straight couples who get a marriage license at city hall worship the government?

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  • ECP says:
    2012/01/07 at 2:27 pm  ECP(Quote)

    The concept of marriage predates all religious applications. Hell, even the Catholic Church ignored marriages for centuries, until realizing that administering them was advantageous, and they added the Sacrament of Holy Matrimony (not Marriage).

    "Marriage" is not a sacred term and the privilege of marriage doesn't belong only to the religious. Does this also mean, then, that anyone not married in a church is not "married"?

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  • Amberson says:
    2012/01/07 at 2:37 pm  Amberson(Quote)

    Kevin, what are they so afraid of, and why?

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    • Amberson says:
      2012/01/07 at 3:35 pm  Amberson(Quote)

      I'm referring to the folks making the threats, as that is a reaction made out of fear.

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  • Grizz Robinson says:
    2012/01/07 at 2:44 pm  Grizz Robinson(Quote)

    Excuse me, but wasn't it Gay Republicans that outed and targetted Rick Perry's gay chief pollster after the Strong debacle?

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    • Grizz Robinson says:
      2012/01/07 at 4:23 pm  Grizz Robinson(Quote)

      Oh I'd also like to point out these same groups GOProud and The Log Cabins called him a faggot in the national media.

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  • Angel says:
    2012/01/07 at 2:58 pm  Angel(Quote)

    I’m gay and republican. Speaking specifically to the term marriage, I don’t understand why I can’t use that term with my partner. Marriage was a political and legal union before it was religious so I don’t understand that argument. Furthermore, I’ve personally never called it “gay marriage”, let alone try and say things like gay baptism, gay lunch, gay parking or gay salvation. I rarely, if ever, use “gay” as an adjective. I suppose my question is why, if I am a Christian and want to have a religious ceremony/celebration in sharing my life with my partner, can’t I call it marriage? I wouldn’t ask non-Christian or non-religious people to instead participate in a civil-union; Insisting that they not be allowed to marry because they don’t attend church. It, to me is a cultural and traditional event that we (I and my partner) should be able to participate in and share about with our children and grandchildren.

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    • Tamminator says:
      2012/01/07 at 8:36 pm  Tamminator(Quote)

      Finally, an intelligent comment.
      I may not fully agree with you, but you make your points, and I respect you for that.

      Something that the leftist haters will never learn.

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  • WillaWest says:
    2012/01/07 at 8:39 pm  WillaWest(Quote)

    Here's a simple test to find the true bullies in the U.S.. In America- find me one person, any single person who has been beaten, or killed for being a Christian, republican, conservative, etc. by a gay or lesbian. What? Can't find a single recorded incident? Now flip it– there are thousands of gay and lesbians who are beaten or killed every year in the U.S. by so-called Christians who often identify as republican and/or conservative. Both sides can shout, slander and argue until they are blue in the face, and some cheery individuals from both sides may even make violent threats, but that is not the issue. The proof of true victimization by physical violence and lynching has always been at the hands of certain individuals on the right. Prove me wrong and find a story of a Christian who was beaten and killed by a gay or lesbian for being a Christian.

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    • Kevin DuJan says:
      2012/01/07 at 8:49 pm  Kevin DuJan(Quote)

      Hey Willa,

      Here’s one: http://exposethemedia.com/2011/11/16/gay-republic…

      Christian man beaten by gays for being a Christian, a conservative, and a Republican.

      That took me all of 30 seconds to find for you.

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      • WillaWest says:
        2012/01/08 at 11:21 pm  WillaWest(Quote)

        Oh please Kevin— we both know the incident with the A-List Dallas cast member NEVER happened. There was NEVER a police report filed. And Logo, the channel who broadcasts the "reality show", even gave a tongue-in-cheek thank you to this guy via twitter and Facebook for bringing much needed attention to the show. There were no witnesses, and no proof it ever happened. Rather than calling the police, he instead decided to go to the media with some photos of himself "beaten" and a bizarre story of someone keying his car and then hitting him for his love of Ann Coulter.

        I don't know about you, but if I was bashed or had my car vandalized, I would probably turn to the police and file a report especially if I supposedly saw and could describe the assailant. No official police report has ever been filed, nor will one ever be filed for a very good reason. He knows he made the whole thing up for publicity and if he had actually filed a report he would be committing the crime of falsifying a report, and his ass would be in some real-world trouble. . I'd think, especially in your line of work you'd be a little more savvy to media whoring and staged events.

        I pose the question once again–find me one actual incident of gay or lesbians physically assaulting or killing a Chrstian, Republican, conservative in the United States—maybe try a real incident this time, and not one that was staged for publicity. Cause sweetheart I can post thousands of real gay bashings and killings committed by alleged Christians, Rebublicans, and conservatives. Again- I am not talking all Christians, repubs, etc. Most are quite nice, respectable and many are becoming more focused on equality. But for you, especially as a gay man, to claim Christian, Repulican, conservatives as the victims at the hands of "liberal" gays and lesbians is a ludicrous lie, and the proof is in the deaths and the bashings that continue daily in our country against GLBTs. You define victimization as words being slung back and forth from both sides alike, I prefer to define it as actual victimization where real people are beaten, turned into invalids, and killed.

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  • truthspew says:
    2012/01/07 at 11:20 pm  truthspew(Quote)

    I find it interesting that you can reconcile being gay with being Christian and Conservative. In essence you are in bed with two entities who would move to deny you the right to be who you are.

    I understand that some have the need of a higher power, and I understand some conservative principles. However I cannot reconcile being LGBT and being actively involved with either of those.

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  • Jumper says:
    2012/01/08 at 2:03 am  Jumper(Quote)

    As long as States hand out Marriage Licenses, I get one, regardless if a religion uses the same name for a sacrament.
    It’s not the word, it’s the rights, privledges and responsibilities that come with it as it now stands.
    Once EVERYONE goes to the court house to get a civil union, and THEN Christians go to their church to get “married”, THAT’S when I’ll drop the “marriage” issue.

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