Posts Tagged ‘Project Gunrunner
I wanted to do a Fast and Furious update but there is VERY little to report….according to the main stream media. I found almost nothing new on the case in the media but I did find something very interesting over at Newsmax and this story just adds to the already confusing information coming out of the investigation into Project Gunrunner and the Fast and Furious debacle. According to Senator Grassley, who along with Rep. Issa, is heading up the investigation, there is new evidence that government agents illegally sold guns directly to the “underworld”. This is different than Fast and Furious where legal gun store owners sold assault weapons to shady Mexican drug cartel members so they could (supposedly) be traced back to the higher-ups in the cartel. This new evidence shows that actual government agents were the ones doing the gun dealing.
(Newsmax)“It’s hard to distinguish between the two, but evidence has come out that the orders came down from Justice that our agents were supposed to take taxpayers money, buy guns that shouldn’t have been sold, get them to the underworld,” the Iowa Republican told Fox News’ Greta Van Susteren. “The sale was made to the underworld. It happens to be that in this particular case, the federal government made a little bit of money, but that’s not the main issue.
“The main issue is that you would think they would arrest the people that bought them illegally — no, they were told to just follow the guns — they followed the guns to a storehouse. They would not have 24-hour surveillance except for one of the agents decided to stay there six days,” Grassley said. “And I don’t know when — but anyway — a truck came along to load up the guns. They called for help to arrest them in the process of transferring the guns, but they wouldn’t send anybody to arrest them, so the guns got over — got some place, maybe over the border — and they were never traced, which was the purpose of the operation in the first place.”
I’m not sure if the “underworld” involves Mexican bad-guys but my guess would be yes. This is getting even crazier than it was 6 months ago. Of course the Justice Department (and I use the term “Justice” loosely) is completely stonewalling the investigation. They are in very hot water because the evidence shows that the orders came directly from the DOJ to the ATF and money was exchanged so that the ATF could buy a load of assault weapons and then turn around and sell them directly to the “underworld”….at a profit. How thoughtful of them to make some money off of the deal. Just like Fast and Furious, these guns were supposed to be followed back to the bigger and badder guys…and just like Fast and Furious, NO guns were followed.
Are you confused yet? I am. The muddy waters of this investigation will, one day, start to clear and the whole truth will emerge. What this truth is and how high up in this criminal Administration it goes remains to be seen.
Will Holder take the fall for Obama?
Will someone just below Holder take the fall for him?
Will the main stream media ever report any of this?
This about the 2nd Amendment and gun control. Pure and simple
I would LOVE to be a fly on the wall in the White House.
As the investigation continues into the scandalous DOJ’s Fast and Furious Mexican gun walking scheme, I can’t help but wonder if there was also another reason that Eric Holder wanted thousands of assault weapons to end up in the hands of Mexican thugs. I’m not a big conspiracy theorist but could it be possible that by arming drug cartel members in Mexico… causing an escalation in the drug war… it would be easier for illegal immigrants here in the US to seek asylum? After all…if Mexico is a war torn country how could we possibly deport anyone back into that mayhem? Picture poor Ramone and his wife Maria and their 3 small children trembling in fear at the thought of being sent back to their homeland to face these vicious thugs. Those of us who want something done about the Mexican invasion would be branded as monsters.
The US law on asylum is pretty specific. In order to be granted asylum you must first be classified as a refugee. Each year the president and congress have to agree on the number of refugees that will be allowed and only a certain amount will be allowed from certain regions of the world.
The President and the State Department have a lot of control as to who is deemed a refugee. They have the power to declare a certain group of people refugees (without the consent of Congress). Rep. Zoe Lofgren (D-CA) introduced a bill this year called the Refugee Protection Act. Here’s what part of the bill says…
‘(B)(i) The President, upon a recommendation of the Secretary of State made in consultation with the Secretary of Homeland Security, and after appropriate consultation, may designate specifically defined groups of aliens–
‘(I) whose resettlement in the United States is justified by humanitarian concerns or is otherwise in the national interest; and
‘(aa) share common characteristics that identify them as targets of persecution on account of race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion or of other serious harm; or
‘(bb) having been identified as targets as described in item (aa), share a common need for resettlement due to a specific vulnerability.
I realize that the millions and millions of illegals that are here all couldn’t possibly be granted refugee status but… thousands and thousands could quietly be approved and on their way to citizenship. I think that if the drug war in Mexico got bad enough, the democrats would introduce sweeping legislation that would grant millions of illegals temporary refugee status ( for humanitarian reasons) thus laying the path for US citizenship.
All this could have been possible before the lid was blown off Fast and Furious. The ATF officials in the US lied repeatedly to ATF field agents in Mexico about what was really going on. At one point, assault weapons were literally flooding across the border and our ATF attache to Mexico, Darren Gil, started complaining to his superiors in the US… saying basically “what the hell is going on?” The ATF officials in the US were afraid that Gil was going to say something to the Mexican government about Fast and Furious. Gil claims that he didn’t know the extent of Fast and Furious and for months he was told that the operation was being shut down….but it wasn’t.
It wasn’t until Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry was killed with a Fast and Furious weapon that the “you know what” hit the fan. It’s almost too much to take in. There are new details revealed almost every day by the investigation. I know that Obama is not too happy about the timing of all of this. This will possibly continue into the 2012 elections.
I have only found one reference linking Fast and Furious to illegal immigration reform and it was from one lone blogger who has the same curiosity that I do about it.
Is it a crazy to think that this administration would flood Mexico with assault weapons in order to escalate the drug war so that illegal immigrants could get a path to citizenship by seeking asylum?
This administration is quickly proving that nothing is too far fetched for them.
What do you think?
I’ve always really liked Brit Hume. I think he’s one of Fox’s best and most respected commentators. If he’s comparing Obama’s Justice Department to Nixon’s Justice Department that’s not good for Obama…or Eric Holder.
We all know how Nixon’s Watergate scandal turned out.
(h/t HillBuzz reader Theresa…thanks!)
Well….David Ogden says that Obama ordered Project Gunrunner (and kicked in $10 million of stimulus money). Ogden specifically mentions “gun tracing” at the end of the clip. Sending thousands of assault rifles over the border to be traced to narco-thugs is the essence of Project Gunrunner. I know what the White House will claim….they didn’t know that the ATF was going to send assault rifles into Mexico as part of the project but who really believes that? In the military, if you are in command of a ship or battalion, you take responsibility for all those who serve under you…therefore, Obama is responsible for what is done by the DOJ (which covers the DEA and ATF).
So…is this video proof that Obama had some knowledge of what was happening with Project Gunrunner?
What are your thoughts?
“tweeted” on June 24th, ATF Director Kenneth Melson has indeed spilled his guts
and testified on July 4th before Congressional investigators. Gunwalker goes all
the way to Eric Holder, Hillary Clinton and that walking manifestation of
Incubus and Succubus, Barack Obama and Valerie Jarrett. Further, Mike
Vanderboegh and David Codrea over at Sipsey Street Irregulars have broken news
this morning that Holder/Clinton/Obama-Jarrett also were walking guns out of
Florida into Honduras. Here’s the money quote:
“There are emails in existence where (Special Agent in Charge Virginia)
O’Brien has advised those involved that Tampa does not have to report their
walked guns because Tampa FD is not a part of Southwest Border or Project
offices about it, and set up similar schemes with other ATF offices.
going on all over the country. Don’t think for a second that it was “just Tampa”
in addition to the Mexican border. I would look for more ATF field offices to be
revealed as virtual weaponry depots for enemies of the United States.
to support and prop-up the Honduran Marxist dictator-wannabe, Manuel Zelaya back
in 2009. I never could figure out why they would create such blatantly
unflattering, pro-Marxist optics for the Obama regime for a small country like
Honduras. Now it all makes perfect sense. Zelaya attempted to overthrow the
Honduran constitution and install himself as dictator for life, a la Hugo
Chavez. The Honduran Congress AND Supreme Court followed their Constitutional
Rule of Law to the letter and removed Zelaya. Within hours Obama and Clinton
were threatening Honduras and demanding that the Marxist dictator Zelaya be
re-installed. Now we know why. Obama and Clinton were arming Zelaya and were
coordinating with Zelaya to run arms through Honduras. Presumably the deal was
that some of the arms would stay with Zelaya and most would move into Mexico
from the South. Then, Obama and Clinton could “find” U.S. guns in Southern
Mexico and Central America, and thus use these optics to bolster their false
contention that “90%” of Mexican guns were sourced directly from the U.S. “See?
U.S. guns are all the way down in Chiapas State and Guatemala. U.S. guns are
everywhere! The Second Amendment simply is not feasible any longer!”
statistics claiming that “90%” of the guns in Mexico came from the U.S. This
strongly implies that the Obama regime colluded with Mexico City on this
Gunwalker action with the objective of using the resulting bloodshed to suspend
the Second Amendment and disarm the people of the United States.
has directly coordinated with outside governments to overthrow the Constitution
of the United States, and has facilitated the invasion of the United States by a
de facto non-uniformed Mexican military in the form of narco-gangs, who, it is
argued, are the real power in Mexico City already.
implicated the Second Amendment to the Constitution as being responsible for
arming narco-terrorists and the resulting mass murder, the Obama/Clinton machine
has engaged in attempted insurrection against the established lawful order,
namely the Constitution. They have subversively attempted to stir up rebellion
against the Constitution by fraudulently stirring up commotion against the
Constitution. This “commotion” took the form of the calculated murder of
hundreds of Mexican civilians, law enforcement officers and regular military and
the murder of at least two U.S. law enforcement officers.
told Sarah Brady on March 30, 2011 that gun control in the U.S. was coming, but
that “we have to go through a few processes. Under the radar.”
Jarrett, Hillary Clinton and Holder. Every one of these people should spend the
rest of their lives in Florence, Colorado. Since Obama appears to not be a
citizen of the U.S., but rather a dual citizen of the U.K. and Indonesia, he
should be tried as a non-state, non-uniformed enemy combatant. The rest should
be tried for treason, sedition and murder.
I know I’ve been doing a lot of posting on the Fast and Furious scandal and some of you might not be as enthralled as I am with it but I think this is heading downhill quickly for the DOJ (and thus Eric Holder) and I can’t wait to see where this will all end up. It’s like a great mystery movie where you watch and watch and wait to see “who done it”. We all know “who done it” here but will they get away with it and will it eventually end up in Obama’s lap?
Breaking news out late yesterday afternoon is that Kenneth Melson, Director of the ATF, is singing like a little bird and his song isn’t exactly music to the DOJ, ATF or the FBI’s ears. Melson was scheduled to meet next week with Rep. Issa and Grassley, who are heading up the investigation by the House Oversight Committee. Next week’s meeting would also have included lawyers from the DOJ (so they could keep an eye on him and do some damage control). Instead, Melson opted to have a secret meeting with Issa and Grassley so he could say what was really on his mind….and there was a lot on his mind.
Here’s a brief little summary of things discussed in the July 4th meeting…
So several other government agencies were also doing concurrent operations involving gun sales to Mexican thugs? Doesn’t the DOJ oversee the ATF and the DEA? Apparently the Arizona US Attorney Dennis Burke (an Obama appointee) is up to his eyeballs in the scandal because his office provided legal advice to the ATF during Fast and Furious. No matter which way you go with this fiasco….all roads lead back to the DOJ and Eric Holder.
I would love to be a fly on the wall in Holder’s office when he is discussing what the DOJ will do next.
Wouldn’t Project Gunrunner make a great movie? Starring Denzel Washington, Harrison Ford and….who else?
Mexico is pissed….and with good reason. The more that is known about the Fast and Furious fiasco, the more apparent it is that the US screwed up and allowed 2500 assault rifles and revolvers to be transported into Mexico by thugs. These guns were supposed to be traced to high level mob-type gun traffickers (and drug cartel members) but for some reason….ATF agents just sat back and let the bad guys be bad guys and in the process, numerous people were murdered with these weapons (including a US border patrol agent…RIP Brian Terry ). Now Mexican officials want the ones responsible for Operation Fast and Furious (aka Project Gunrunner) to not only be tried in the US but also in Mexico.
Ay caramba! This could get very interesting…especially with 2012 right around the corner.
The investigation should go as far up as Obama himself but we all know that “The One” is bubble-wrapped and probably won’t be touched. At the very least, Eric Holder’s name should be listed at the top of the page of usual suspects. Holder remains eerily silent lately….trying to fly below the radar. I bet he hasn’t slept much lately.
Will Obama throw Holder under the bus? My guess is yes.
I hope Holder likes tequila and tacos.