Sunday Open Thread: January 22, 2012
Well…what are your thoughts about last night’s South Carolina results?
I must say that I AM PROUD of my state. We came through for Newt.
I know many of you are not so happy.
Let’s talk about what’s happening….
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Welcome home, Uncle Justin! I hope Baby Astor is coming home today, too.
We just heard a lot of heads exploding — the drive bys and Cocktail Party GOP wanted this to be a done deal for Romney, and they're not getting it.
Brian Ross must be wetting his knickers as must John King getting his hairnet in a bundle. Let's have Brian Ross do an expose interview with Larry Sinclair just to be fair, no??? God bless Larry be well you have immense courage…
I love this suggestion. Hi everybody It's been a long time since I have posted here, "computer problems", I'm really glad to be back.
I must say, I could feel this coming, and it made my night! Mittens does NOT inspire nor bring out the conservative base, so this is the result. The conservative impulse from the 2010 mid-terms is certainly not dead in south Carolina. It has been quite entertaining to observe the life-long liberals on Facebook slobbering all over themselves thinking that this win is problematical for the Republicans-they believe Newt is easier to defeat than Mittens and are convinced that Obama prefers this outcome. I have a few old musician buddies in Nashville and So Cal who never come into contact with any conservative thinking; they exhibit lock-step group think and believe that Obummah is destined for a second term-they literally see him as unbeatable. I must pose to them the currently fashionable rhetorical question: "What could go wrong?"
Newt's on Meet the Press, giving David Gregory the thumping he so richly deserves.
That interview with the bitter ex backfired BIG time–especially when it came out that she was sleeping with ole Newt while he was married to wife #1. When he bitch slapped King at the debate the audience reaction should have told the pundits who was going to run away with the SC primary. People are sick of milktoast GOP candidates who don't fight back.
Joe Paterno has died. This is a sad case of vultures attacking a man of integrity without any real knowledge of the case involved. I said from the beginning that he did exactly what I would have done if I had been told such a shocking accusation about someone I had known for over 30 years. Something I had been told little or no detail about, but felt bound to report. Anything else after reporting it could, and would have been construed as pressure, or interference, for or against. At any rate, this good, honorable man was dragged through the mud as if he were the accused pedophile. Gleefully trashed. His death certificate may say Cancer was the cause of death, but I believe it was the venom of those who hate quality people, those who are vicious, petty and mean-spirited. I believe he died of a broken spirit and broken heart. RIP Joe!
I went to Penn State. Joe was an incredible man. What they did to him was awful. Unforgivable. It is a very very sad day for those of us who understood him and knew in our hearts what a man of character he was and the countless lives he changes and touched.
I am sorry that Mr Paterno's legacy is forever marred BUT he was told that his assistant coach was RAPING a 10 year old boy in a Penn State locker room. He waited untill the next day, made a cursory report to the school athletic director and NEVER followed up beyong that. I am sure that he was uncomfortable and dismayed but that is no excuse!
I too believe that he died of a broken heart but it was probably caused by the recognition that his inaction caused untold grief and suffering to that boy and many others whom Sandusky was able to continue to victimize.
I think he was told something vague…not as specific as rape. Even McQueary said he didn't spell out what he saw. Given that fact, and given that it was probably as shocking an accusation against a person he knew for years, I think it was the proper way to handle it. Not all accusations are proven to be accurate….many people are innocent of accusations…how many day care people were accused and tried in Court, only to be found innocent. I believe he put it into the hands he thought would act on it. I can only hope Sandusky is found guilty because if he isn't, a truly fine man has been dragged through the mud, and has died in our rush to judgement.
Sorry. Paterno gets no sympathy from me. As I see it, he fired Sandusky in 1999 because of the police investigation about the defensive coach's incidences of child molestations. Paterno, however, lied about the firing and instead allowed Sandusky to say it was a 'retirement'. The entire university sports world, however, knew the truth which is why NONE of them offered Sandusky a job. Unfortunately, the vulnerable children didn't because of the coverup – chief of which was Paterno's lie. And, true to form for a pederast who's escaped punishment, Sandusky continued to troll for new victims under cover of his "Second Mile" organization. He could never have done that if Paterno had only been honest.
The ugly truth is that three years before McQueary came to him with that ghastly story of the naked 10 year old in the showers with Sandusky, Paterno already knew his former coach's sexual predilections. So for Paterno to then say he 'had no idea' what Sandusky would have been doing with a small naked boy is a lie. Paterno knew, Penn State knew, McQueary knew – and none of them did anything. And for that, the world is rightly judging them.
You are quite right that it is terribly sad for Paterno's magnificent coaching career to be forever tarnished; sadder still that he was hastened to an early death by the scandal – but no matter how you cut it, his misery was his own doing. He had the chance to help that child – and he chose not to. And for that refusal Paterno must bear the full blame and consequences.
You seem to have information that isn't public. I heard his response recently, and it doesn't jive with your account. This will all come out in the end, and I am betting I am right about the man. If I am right, and I believe I am, he was destroyed by many who are either jealous, or just hate to see someone who is honorable, and can't wait to vilify that person. Lets wait and both of us come back at the end of this saga and see what the truth is. . In short, I believe a good, honorable man whose entire value, to himself, was his integrity, which was destroyed, but not for anything he did, or neglected to do, but because the world is full of people who want to pull down anyone good. I will check the news as I am in PA, and will keep you apprised of the Court proceedings. There are few people I would stick up for, and Joe Paterno is one of the few.
go Newt.Palin power is alive and well.
Romney Flunks Critical Competency Test
As it stands, it would seem the notion that Romney is somehow a competent manager and planner is based more upon image and myth, than substance. The fact is, his organization failed dismally in South Carolina. Romney can attack Newt Gingrich for an alleged lack of managerial experience all he wants; the fact is, the Gingrich political organization outperformed Romney's on several counts across many key areas.
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conserv…
Yes, this was a matter of too much organization. Reports I've read say SC voters were POed at multiple robo calls by the Romney machine.
I an attest to that as a SC resident. Most everyone I know was ticked off at getting up to 6 robo calls every day over the last 2 weeks of the campaign from Romney.
Those calls are calls of desperation.
I think south Carolingians do NOT like being told what to do. Even by Nicky Haley.
By the way, I understand that Nikki Haley's Vice-Presidential prospects were last seen strapped to the roof of Mitt Romney's bus on the way out of South Carolina… LOL!!
Great line!
Weekly Standard: Governor Palin’s Impact in South Carolina “Overlooked”
I wondered when or if anyone in the mainstream media would ever make this rather obvious connection. An unnamed friend of William Kristol is, apparently, the first:
“I notice that everyone’s citing all kinds of reasons for S.C.: Romney overconfident, Perry’s endorsement, Romney doesn’t connect, Barnes’s argument that Romney needs a ‘big idea.’ Lost in all this it seems is one name: Sarah Palin. First time she has expressed herself in the race and her candidate wins by 12. If she really comes out for Newt, look out."
Some endorsements, even semi-endorsements, do make a difference. Others, well, not so much. I guess it depends on the credibility of the endorser, no? http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0112/71777.h…
Palin giveth & Palin taketh away.
http://conservatives4palin.com/2012/01/weekly-sta…
So where do we go from here? Well, IMO Newt needs to win Florida.
Why? If Romney wins it will embolden him and the establishment and provide more legitimacy to his run but if he loses he will have lost 3 out of 4 primaries and would be seen as expected to drop out. He probably wouldn’t at first but the pressure would be there and the collapse would likely continue. The establishment would freak out. They detest Newt and would not under any circumstances tolerate him as the nominee. I think the establishment would attempt to bring in someone new. There is certainly chatter about it.
Well, if the establishment can bring someone new into the race, so can the conservatives…. The penalty for sitting out the bloodbath would be waived.
Now, another reason for Newt to win. If we take Palin at her word that she isn’t running, Newt is the best to beat Romney and I think he could beat Obama. Personally, if Palin isn’t going to run then I would rather be forced to choose between Santorum or Newt than Romney and someone else. I want him sent home humiliated.
Florida is and likely has always been the expected battlefield for the soul of the GOP. It will be establishment vs Tea Party and I think we will be in store for more dramatics than South Carolina. There will be no exiting the cudacoaster. I believe she knows this is where the battle will be won.
This is where Palin either injures the permanent political class or they injure her. http://palin4america.com/2012/01/what-a-stomping-…
This is the real shock the elites don't even want to acknowledge to themselves. Some day all us geniuses, (insert my name here) after having bemoaned the "huge mistake" of her withdrawal, will come to see what we've really known all along: She is a freakin' phenomenon and a brilliant cultural revolutionary with uncanny political instincts: In short, real.
http://news.yahoo.com/where-does-gop-race-1423003…
My take on it with Yahoo News. I was disapointed Paul finished last. SC wanted the fight to continue. Ginrgrich should accept this victory in this context. Like Sarah Palin's lukewarm endorsement of him.
Does anyone know if there is phone campaign for the Newtster? Last time round Fred Thompson had very good one (I dialed my fingers off for Fred). I think Newt will need all the hep he can get in FL.
Go to http://www.newt.org and click the box with the phone that says, "Make the Call" or go directly to http://newtsnetwork.com/
LOL – believe it or not I did not see it – jeez it is heck getting old. Glad I have you young whipper-snappers to keep me in line.
Continued prayers for Gabby Giffords. I really don't care if her political approach differs from mine. I wish her only the best and pray for her continued recovery.
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Repo Men
By Kevin D. Williamson, National Review Online, December 28, 2011
… it’s no big deal to buy a president, which is precisely what Wall Street did in 2008 when, led by investment giant Goldman Sachs,
it closed the deal on Barack Obama
… If you can’t figure out why you’d pay 100-plus percent of a bank’s value for 27 percent of it, then you just don’t understand high finance or high politics.
… they hadn’t noticed who was running the Obama administration:
In large part, the same guys who plan to be running
the next Republican administration
… The book has the Tea Party-bait title
Throw Them All Out: How Politicians and Their Friends Get Rich Off Insider Stock Tips, Land Deals, and Cronyism That Would Send the Rest of Us to Prison
… Congress has effectively exempted itself from insider-trading rules
… Like Gordon Gekko, she’s a carnivorous competitor
at the top of the socioeconomic food chain,
but she’s telling us to eat our veggies, like good little herbivores
… they’re sizing up a cozy little investment in Mitt Romney,
a fact that should give Republicans pause
… Goldman Sachs, as though you needed to be told
— is backing Republicans by a wide margin at the moment.
So is practically every other major Wall Street player
… Here’s what Wall Street doesn’t want:
It doesn’t want to hear from Sarah Palin or Michele Bachmann
or even Newt Gingrich, or suffer any sort of tea-party populism.
It wants you rubes to shut up about Jesus and please pay your mortgages
… The too-big-to-fail banks want Corzine crucified, but they want him crucified quietly
… if you can find a willing counterparty,
get a whole bunch of bad assets off your books and a whole bunch of cash onto them, which makes your firm look like it’s in a lot better shape than it is
… MF Global was both acting as a broker for its customers and making its own bets, it failed to keep the customers’ money segregated from its own,
which is why some $600 million in customers’ money went missing
… If you don’t think that the government can just arbitrarily rewrite the bankruptcy rules to suit its political preferences, revisit the General Motors bailout
… all feeding at the same trough, and most of them betting
that Mitt Romney won’t do anything more to stop it than Barack Obama did.
If anything, the fact that Romney is having the least luck with the firm that knows him best speaks better of him than does the enthusiasm
he apparently inspires in Goldman Sachs et al.
… They’re hoping that conservatives
can be buffaloed with a bit of cheap free-market rhetoric
into not noticing that something is excruciatingly amiss here…
… They are the repo men, headpiece filled with subprime-mortgage derivatives, and they are looking to repossess the Republican party they abandoned in 2008 (see “Losing Gordon Gekko,” National Review, March 9, 2009).
Free-market, limited-government conservatives should be none too eager to welcome them back, nor should we let our natural sympathy with the profit motive blind us to the fact that a great many of them do not belong in the conservative movement, and that more than a few of them belong in prison.
— Kevin D. Williamson is a deputy managing editor of National Review.
This has been making the rounds today; if it truly happens, maybe more people will question Obama.
SUNDAY NIGHT> This Coming Sunday– 1/22/2012. Set Your DVR for the Fox News channel at 9:00 PM eastern. Maybe this is why the White House has been discounting FOX. Sounds like this could be history in the making – someone may go down – either Obama or Fox News. It may be that Fox has been holding this information back due to the sensitivity of it and out of courtesy. But, Obama has taken on Fox and it appears they are ready to spill the ugly beans of truth about the background of this individual who has had an extremely radical past.
Where are you getting this information? Are you talking about the cable News channel or the local networks? Because I see Chris Wallace on at 9 tonight. Can anyone help me I don't want to miss.
Well, Cate says it's on Fox News Channel. Chris Wallace is on and it is a repeat from earlier today. So, I'll believe it when I see it. Just like I'll believe it when I see him in court on the 26th. If only………
Oh…I hate that when it happens. TY
I'm wondering if Cate could have meant 10:00eastern, 9:00 central? I could see that happening then since that is a program of current news, not a repeat. I guess we'll keep our fingers crossed!
We checked at 7 pm Mountain and found only a blasted football game. My apologies. Usually I confirm things on Snopes or Truth or Fiction. I didn't this time.
Just wanted to say that the Mittens accusations are starting. He is mentioning the ethnics violations of Newt while he was speaker so I did a bit of Checking and found both of these
http://www.factcheck.org/2011/12/newts-erroneous-… http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/gov…
It seems to me that he was forced out because he was standing up to Clinton and the republican's on the floor then, did exactly what they do now, cave, and save themselves, instead of turning to fight. I was surprised that Politifact offered a truthful overview of the FACTS. Seems that at the end, Newt ended up paying $300,000 just to defend himself against partisan political attacks. Once he was gone all of them went right back to their special interest/inside trading ways. Notice Nancy NEVER cleaned the swamp. Even Charley Rangle and Maxine Waters committed far worse ethical violations then Newt Gingrich. I say he gets the White House and all those republican's who pushed him out, retire to prison for insider trading.
Hopefully, Newt will be able to articulate this well in the upcoming debates. He seems to be doing a great job, so far, of defending himself and I'm sure they're preparing for this as we speak. He's also moving right along with his, IMO, brilliant plan of painting MItt as a big secret-keeper just like Obama. People seem to really connect with that. And as I heard someone mention yesterday, Mitt can fix the tax issue thing by just releasing the documents, but he won't be able to fix the computer-scrubbing issue, 'cause the data's all gone.