Something interesting for the conspiracy crowd out there
We have debated on even mentioning this conversation, because we know what the moonbats out there will do with it, but think it’s interesting enough to at least debate and consider.
We have a very good friend named Wess who was a big fundraiser for Democrats in the Pacific Northwest, but who, like us, now exclusively supports Hillary Democrats, and considers the DNC to be off-the-rails and not worthy of blind support anymore (he actually wants to move to San Francisco and personally organize a challenge to Pelosi, and then work the 15 blocks of her district nonstop and send that terrible Congresswoman packing in 2010; we want to do the same thing here in Chicago to Jan Schakowsky). Wess, like us, believes the economic policies of the current administration have us on a collision course with disaster that the public at large has no awareness of. Since he owns his own business, and deals a lot with contractors, subcontractors, and freelances, Wess repeatedly tells us that the unemployment rate of 8% the current administration uses is FAR TOO LOW, because it does NOT factor in the self-employed and freelance or contract workers. In big cities like Chicago, Los Angeles, New York, and others MANY people work as contractors or freelancers, and many are struggling. If these people were actually included in the unemployment figures, and if those figures actually accurately reported people who are underworking because of budget cuts, the unemployment rate could be as high as 25% in our big cities, which would be higher than the Great Depression.
The MSM won’t tell you any of this, because it continues to cheerlead for the current president. But the reality is there.
Wess feels reality will catch up with the MSM by 2012, if not by 2010. He firmly believes the current president will not seek re-election, though we don’t agree with him on that. We are still convinced the current president will consider himself a failure if he only gets one term — but Wess argues that he could easily use Parkinson’s or some other excuse to walk away, leaving chaos in his wake, and that would set the stage for Hillary Clinton to be the Democrats’ nominee in 2012.
Now, we can already imagine the moonbats gearing up to go to town with this. We’ve been running this site for well over a year now, and anticipate what most of you will say, and how some of you, in particular, will twist something like this post to make it whatever you want. This is totally Wess’ speculation, and we aren’t saying we are agreeing with it, but Wess presents something interesting enough that we’ve discussed it with other friends at lunch and dinner in recent days, and wanted to open it for discussion here as well. Because, while out in left field and hard to imagine in many ways, Wess makes a lot of interesting points.
For starters, Wess accurately describes the narcissistic nature of the current president who, if facing defeat against a strong Republican in 2012, will pull an LBJ and use either a real or manufactured health crisis like Parkinson’s (or something else) to forgoe a run for a second term. Wess believes there was a deal made in 2008, and that one-term was the deal. Wess also believes there are a lot of skeletons that were not released in 2008 that would be fair game in 2012. So the MSM’s constant references to this as the current president’s “first term” are laughable to Wess.
Now, here’s where the moonbats will surely take wing and go nuts as usual.
Wess believes Hillary Clinton will only serve one more year as Secretary of State, and will step down in 2010 to focus on “something else”. Wess believes Ann Lewis at NoLimits.org, HRC surrogates and friends like Lynn Forester, and Hillary Democrats at large truly are that army in winter quarters waiting for her to need a political operation again. And nobody is getting rusty, or taking any moment for granted. Wess says he feels, and gets this feeling from all the events he goes to, that something is happening behind the scenes and that HRC will run for president in 2012 — and that the current president will step aside due to health issues, leaving the mess for HRC to clean up.
Now, before you blast this in comments, we will be the first to say this is wishful thinking from someone who adores Hillary Clinton as much as we do. We told Wess this much, and cautioned him not to get sucked into the dream world we’d all love to see. But Wess says he’s had conversations with people who know what they are talking about, and that HRC wanted out of the Senate so she would not be tied to any of the nonsensical and damaging things this current administration and our current Democrat-controlled Congress is up to. Instead, Hillary Clinton gets to travel the world as Secretary of State, not only removing herself from any connection to the domestic mess, but also removing any foreign policy criticisms opponents can throw at her in years ahead. How can anyone argue Hillary Clinton is not strong on foreign policy credentials when she was the 67th United States Secretary of State? How can anyone argue she was responsible for the current administration’s economic failings, when she was halfway around the world?
What’s interesting is that this time as Secretary of State has increased HRC’s national approval rating to the 70s, and some think even the 80s, with most Americans. That is not only higher than previous Secretaries of State, but higher than the current president’s. She, for the first time on the national scene, also broke 50% approval rating amongst conservative Republicans. Part of that is because of how hard she fought in 2008 for the nomination, part of it is how great of a job she is doing as Secretary of State, and part of it is because even Republicans who irrationally hated this proud American for years realize she has the country’s best interests at heart, is a patriot, and would have been a much, much better president than the man behind the Resolute Desk currently.
Wess is convinced HRC will decide to leave Foggy Bottom in 2010. One theory has her running for New York Governor in 2010 if Paterson realizes his chances of winning are hopeless. That would position Clinton to also have executive experience by the time 2012 rolls around, the one thing she’s missing on her resume (though, to be honest, 2008 proved how little actual experience, executive or otherwise, matters to voters in a presidential race). Governor Clinton, former Secretary of State, former Senator, presidential candidate once again. Love the sound of that.
But, once again, we insert caution here before anyone goes off the deep end. This is all Wess’ speculation, though Wess is someone who definitely talks to people in the know on a regular, in fact daily, basis. It’s certainly not coming from his imagination.
Taking a page from the current president’s followers back in 2004, we think it would be a fantastic idea if all of you out there would join us in improving our political and organizational skills for 2012. We need to get the public at large to see that change is needed in Washington, and that it is time for a female president, time for the historic moment when a person representing 51% of the population can take the oath of office. We want that person to be Hillary Clinton…but just hear us out for a moment and realize that this is something that both Hillary and Sarah supporters can work on together. Heck, it’s something supporters of all women can work on together. Because from 2004 onward, the current president’s followers laid the foundation for his successful run. Who is doing that for the first female president? Why isn’t it you?
Here’s how we intend to proceed: we are investing in a political education for ourselves. The TV has been turned off, unplugged even, and nights are spent reading every political book we can get from the library. Weekends are spent volunteering, building our networks, and connecting with the people we will need to work with should Hillary Diane Rodham Clinton run for president in 2012. Just in case.
In case she needs that army of hers reawakened, we want to be ready. We will not let what happened to her in 2008 happen again.
And, if Wess is completely in left field and Clinton stays at State, and the current president runs again in 2012, we hope Sarah Palin runs for the Republican nomination becuase in that case we intend to use our organization to help her, just as we did in 2008 when we all became Democrats for McCain. So, all of our education, all of that time spent honing our skills, all of the research we are doing into how best to game the caucuses and primaries for OUR candidate the way the current president’s followers gamed them for him will not go to waste.
Who knows what will happen — maybe Palin will, unwisely, believe the MSM has destroyed her chances of winning the nomination in 2012. Maybe she will decide that it’s not worth the grief to run (and we would not blame her, just as we would never hold it against HRC if she didn’t want to run again and subject herself to all that grief).
But, a woman will be president — in either 2012 or 2016 if we have anything to say about it.
This is what we want, this is what we believe in, and a qualified, strong, determined, impressive woman is who we want to champion. This is our moment to stand up and fight for change, and bring hope to women everywhere in the world that they can do whatever they want…they can be president!
In short, we hope whoever runs in 2012 uses every last one of the current president’s tricks against him. Should Wess be far off and Clinton not be part of the race next time around, we want to see SOME WOMEN reaching for that brass ring. If not Palin, either, then SOMEONE, because we never again want to see a field of presidential candidates resemble another sausage fest.
And this part shouldn’t be news to anyone, but we also long ago decided that this is now part of what we do as people around here. If Clinton had won the nomination and had become president, we don’t know where we’d be. Maybe we’d be back to our old lives, just having a marvelous time here in Boystown, doing whatever stupid things we did before and being just more of those people hanging out at Ping Pong on a Thursday night, eating General’s Chicken or Kung Pao beef, talking about condos or new gadgets we’d like or what people were wearing at the last Glamorama benefit. But, what we witnessed in 2008, all that fraud, all that ACORN, all the misogyny and sexism and race-baiting and other vile tactics used by the current president and sanctioned by the DNC, well, it changed us for good.
It woke us up.
When we’re out to dinner, we hear the babbling of the tables next to us, so focused on material things, on status, and on fluff. People lost in their iTunes, reading People Magazine, adrift in their own little worlds. We won’t ever be like that again, we realize. We are engaged and active politically now, like never before, and we want to help make a difference in future elections, countering whatever tricks ACORN will pull next time around. So, we all end up talking about ideas for HillBuzz, and for how to reach more people and get them to start educating themselves, improving their own skills, and start getting themselves ready for 2012 (if not 2010 for some races).
If we really want to be ready to do for the first female president what ACORN, the MSM, the DNC, and George Soros did for the current president, then we need to use each and every day judiciously to forever keep working hard as we get closer and closer to the day when real change in Washington will come with a woman sitting behind the Resolute Desk.
That’s our hope.
That’s what we want to work on.
Wess thinks we’ll have another shot with our champ in 2012 and nothing would make us happier.
We shall see.
And we will work hard to raise our skill set so we’ll be prepared just in case Wess is right and that happens. But, like we said, should that not come to pass, our skill set will be there for other uses, and ultimately, if we keep working hard like this, we will win. A woman will be president.
We remain convinced her name will be either Hillary or Sarah. Maybe her name will be Kay or Samantha or Heloise. Who knows. But it’s not going to happen unless we use every day to our great advantage.
So, believe what Wess thinks or not, you have to admit that we’re right about the skill set part — the more we do to get ready for 2012, the better position we will be in no matter what happens. But, we should not be in a position where we find ourselves wishing we had done this or that.
As the current administration proves, wishing doesn’t accomplish anything. Blindly hoping for the best is not a strategy.
We need a strategy. So, maybe Wess’ take on all this will inspire some of you out there to come up with a solid one.
That’s why we shared this, with the caveat that it is, indeed, out there, but so is a lot of what happened in 2008 when you think about it.
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I absolutely agree that unemployment figures are far too low – and that’s because they’re ignoring the self-employed.
Zero is clearing creating chaos – and what you’ve presented here provides some very interesting food for thought.
Not to mention the people who have aleady run out of benefits and are no longer counted in the rolls.
Self-employed with NO work on her desk weighing in. Unemployment insurance? Fuhgeddaboutit. Coverage for credit-card payments? No way! Health insurance? Not since December 1994.
No one is counting people like me. We fall thru all the cracks.
All I want is some steady WORK! Any work!
YOu are right about unemployed and underemployed self-employed people. I count as one that has had his income cut way down from the downturn in the real estate market.
If you are running your own business – if you are self employed in other words – even if your business is losing money, then you ARE NOT counted in the unemployment figures.
Of course, self-employed people are all evil rich white guys.
Watchfulraven, do you recall who the economics wonk was who just about a week ago was enumerating all the “underemployed people” and “discouraged workers” who have totally stopped looking for work (therefore being dropped from the count as “unemployed”) and thus was arguing that the current unemployment rate is grossly, grossly under counting?
I know in the mid-west where I am, the housing market and economy are only now starting to slow, yet the state already has greater than 6% unemployment.
So if the states faring best already have
6%+plus unemployment, only 8% unemployment for the whole nation does sound like a lie.
The following articles (from March 2006) may be what you’re specifically referring to, in which economist John Williams talks about how to calculate REAL unemployment figures.
http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/P146055.asp
Taking the above into account, this article (from April 2009) discusses what the unemployment rate REALLY is right now: something closer to 15%.
http://www.davemanuel.com/2009/03/06/the-real-unemployment-rate-is-much-worse-than-81/
The following articles (from March 2006) may be what you’re specifically referring to, in which economist John Williams talks about how to calculate REAL unemployment figures.
http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/P146055.asp
Taking the above into account, this article (from April 2009) discusses what the unemployment rate REALLY is right now: something closer to 15%.
http://www.davemanuel.com/2009/03/06/the-real-unemployment-rate-is-much-worse-than-81/
I LOVE this post, hillbuzz.
I am going to link over at my hommie page, 44.
Sorry, but this sounds awfully fishy to me. You mean to tell me that the DNC worked this hard to get Obama in as President, to spread an obvious Socialist agenda, and then just drops him in four years?
It would be nice for Hillary, but I just don’t believe it for one minute.
And once hyperinflation hits and the economy has completely collapsed no one will WANT to be a Democratic candidate in 2012.
Sorry, but I’m not buying this because it doesn’t even make sense.
The DNC won’t drop Obama. If anyone decides on Obama not running for re-election, it will be Obama himself.
Obama has stated something like “I’d rather achieve my goals in four years than not achieve them in eight” (I’m paraphrasing), suggesting he’s not entirely oblivious to the notion of NOT serving a second term.
This does seem like a fringe theory, but it’s certainly not outside the realm of possibility.
Let’s not discount the possibility that Hillary herself may have aces up her sleeves.
She’s been a first lady and a senator. She’s a very, very powerful woman. She’s an insider, and undoubtedly has powerful contacts and friends. She knows things. Who knows what she knows.
She knows she was treated shabbily in the primaries by the DNC. She is no doubt aware of the years of careful grooming of Obama. Considering the Clintons sort of rescued the DNC after the Carter debacle, Hillary probably feels doubly-insulted.
What weapons does she hold against the DNC, if she so chose to release them? How many skeletons could she reveal? These are legitimate questions that should be considered.
I don’t know about this one guys…but I’ll speculate for a moment.
The thing that intrigues me is how Obama stacked his Administration with Clinton people. Are they working on the inside relaying information (and dirt?) to the Clinton? How loyal are they to HRC? Some of them have stabbed her in the back, some not. So which are they–Clinton loyalists or Democrat loyalists? If the former, adds some plausibility to Wess’s theory.
My main reservation is that Obama is narcissistic. I don’t see him giving up this power after 4 years. If anything, it’ll intoxicate him and he will want as much as he can get.
/end of speculation.
It’s a good question, to whom are they loyal. I figured that he hired them partly because he had to get *some* people with experience, not just his Chicago cronies. The last dem was Clinton, so a lot of the dems with experience would have worked with him.
I also have wondered if that might have been part of her agreeing to not fight the DNC’s cheating. At the RBC meeting, Harold Ickes reserved her right to challenge the RBC decision to cheat her, it would have been at an upcoming meeting (can’t remember the name of it), but they never pursued it.
They (Hillary’s people) also began I lawsuit, I believe, challenging all the shenanigans at the caucuses, but I never heard anymore about that. That, in particular, is a real shame, because the continuing potential for fraud at future caucuses will afffect future candidates. I wish that Hillary would have fought that battle, if not for herself, then for others in the future. But once she took SOS, I knew that wouldn’t happen…
Let’s ony hope…
I also agree with the numbers being too low. I currently reside in Goshen, IN and just yesterday our newpapers headline was about us having the highest unemployment numbers in the nation again.
My husband is self-employed as a mechanic. He does well some weeks because people are not buying new cars. Then he doesn’t do so well other weeks…so it has to even itself out. We haven’t been able to pay rent for over six months (our oldest got sick with kidney stones and we don’t have health insurance…but do not want Obama’s health coverage.). Also, what about all the people who haven’t been able to find work and just call themselves “full-time parents”? That’s what I classify myself.
I haven’t been able to find a job. I have a BA in English, have taken some graduate classes in Education, and am taking graduate classes in English; however, my heart is in politics. Any ideas?
Anyhow, looking forward to working for Hillary or Sarah!!
Oh, man, I’ve been looking for you (English expert) forever! Tell me something – why do we learn that phrase “i before e except after c” when we’re kids? There seem to be a lot of words where it’s “e before i” where there’s no “c” involved….
(for example, “foreign”)
Well…I am definitely no expert, but I guess it is like learning any language…you learn what works most of the time and have to memorize the exceptions.
That makes sense, thanks!
OK, how about another one? How come so many people put an apostrophe before every “s” they see at the end of a word? (in other words, using it for plurals, not for possessives)
Guess it’s rhetorical. I’ve just noticed it becoming more and more prevalent, and I don’t know why.
And remember, Lorac, the possesive pronouns NEVER get apostrophes:
my
your
his/her/its
our
your
their
Not an apostrophe in the bunch—ESPECIALLY not in “its.”
For sure, its/it’s are really confused a lot.
JD-
“his/her/its”
Eureka! Thank you for that, have wondered since roughly forever how that worked.
I shall henceforth endeavor to NOT goof up the “it’s” possessive here on the ‘Buzz and across these here intertubies.
Also, apologies for having erred on this previously. It shan’t happen again.
Have you heard of Grammar Girl? http://twitter.com/GrammarGirl
QTDs started with her. She has a podcast. Good stuff.
What are QTDs?
I haven’t delved into Facebook, Myspace, Twitter, etc. Technology is changing too quickly for me LOL
Webpages and email are just my speed!
ACK! That should be QDT! *blushes*
I have no idea what will happen in 2012, but agree this is the time for organization.
As for the self-employment comments, I absolutely agree. Freelancers are hurting and they are not counted. Many truck drivers are self-employed. With the economy down there is less stuff transported from point A to point B.
Many people I know work regular jobs but also run small home-based businesses, often online. Many in this group may still be working, but their income is way down. This will have a ripple effect as they have less money to spend in their communities. This is hurting other businesses, particularly restaurants.
As a fellow I know puts it, last year at this time I had two jobs. Now I have one.
My husband has always felt that Hillary will run in 2012 so I do not think it is a conspiracy at all. Obama is setting her up rather nicely so far, although she has to watch what she says as she is his mouthpiece. The press love with Obama will prevent too much negative against Hillary unlike what they tried to do to Condi.. My husband sees her stepping down by the end of the year though. Of course all of this will depend on when the next terrorist attack occurs.
Very interesting post, and one that possibly squares the circle for me vis a vis Hillary and why she went to work for Preznit Sh*tstain.
Could see it happening, but as Tammy points out- WHY would she want to mop up the awful, awful mess being made right now in 4 years?
I dunno- don’t believe for a minute Hillary is done with national level politics, but I can’t figure out just yet her way back in after she finishes at State.
It doesn’t add up. I know you Hillbuzz guys are hopeful for Hillary returning in 2012, but then she’s going to be stuck with a MAJOR mess.
Anyone with an ounce of sense in their head(or who can do basic math)knows that this spend-a-pa-looza by Obama will implode the economy.
And voters will no longer be looking for hope. They’ll want immediate change, and that will mean a win for the Republicans.
Oh, and I’m self-employed, and my business is WAY down. Bad. That’s why I have time to chat here. LOL.
Think about it.
If Hillary were to earn the DNC nomination in 2012 and defeat the Republican candidate, it wouldn’t matter whether she had a Republican Congress or a Democratic Congress.
After the mess Obama leaves, the Republicans will be only too eager to roll back legislation from the previous four years, allowing Hillary to pare it down to her core desires and also allowing the Republicans to earn significant legislative victories as well.
And then Hillary will have achieved, almost by default, what no President has really done since Reagan — true bipartisanship.
“They’ll want immediate change, and that will mean a win for the Republicans.”
I agree this is a possibility; I think this type of reactive pendulum swing has happened before. But Jim at 7:38 mentions that “D” behind a name might be a problem in 2012, and that might help Hillary run as an independent.
It’s hard for me to think Hillary would run as an independent – but I was thinking about this, and yours and Jim’s points – if the republicans run someone pretty far to the right (which they may, as many seemed unhappy with McCain not being right enough), perhaps Hillary could succeed as an independent, or even as a dem, if she emphasizes – really emphasizes – her being more middle of the road.
Of course, she’s not middle of the road on everything. Within the “left spectrum”, she’s more to the right on national defense and spending, and more to the left on social issues. But if she could successfully portray herself as *in general* (compared to the extremes of both parties) “middle of the road”, she may attract many people, if they’re tired of what they may perceive to be extreme pendulum swings…
Not likely to happen, I don’t think, but it’s just a possibility that occurred to me…
Lots of great posts today that give us lots to think about. I can see Wes points too. Thanks for all you guys do.
The reason why Obama might not run again is because he knows that some states have now passed legislation where he would have to show his long version birth certificate. Of course, we know he cannot because he was not born here. That is the scuttlebutt I am hearing from my DNC friends. For what it is worth.
Are you serious? Have some states already passed such legislation, requiring proof of citizenship? Which ones? I know that there has been a lot of talk about wishing to pass such legislation, but I was unaware that any states had actually done it….If any of you know which states have already passed this legislation, I’d be very interested in knowing which ones….
Last I heard there were four states working on this. I remember Oklahoma was one.
There is no way B.O. is going to walk away after a single term. If he manages to win a second, you can bet your 401(k) (or what’s left of it) that he’ll go for a third. And a fourth. And so on.
+1 on all this. I’m having a hard time seeing this malignant narcissist (and his puppetmasters) EVER leave office willingly, much less after one term, no matter how big a mess he’s made. Like most dope pushers, he’ll insist that the only cure for your illness is MORE DOPE and deny that that’s what made you sick in the first place.
dictator obama
I think that Obama will manage to repeal term limits and plans on becoming the next FDR. I also think that in exchange for being on her bestest behavior now and keeping her big racist mouth shut pretending to be a Stepford wife dear Michelle plans to take over at some point.
I love you Hillbuzz boys. And I hope Wess is right, because it has long been my dream to have Hillary Diane Rodham Clinton be our first female president. She is so utterly brilliant, capabale, competent, and informed.
She is the best there is. And America deserves the best.
Okay – had to print this one out too. Lots of reading for the tub tonight! LOL
I have no doubt that some kind of deal was worked out with HRC and the DNC. I don’t know how much of a deal because they pretty much had her between a rock and a hard place. She could have made a royal mess out of the DNC convention, but I think her loyalty to the party kept her from doing so and she was given the SoS in return.
I don’t think she’ll need the executive experience on her resume to run and win. Our current office holder had basically nothing on his resume – and won. We already know that the POTUS job is a “No experience needed” kind of position if you can charm people with BS.
But if I understood Wes correctly, he thinks there was a deal between Obama and the DNC. The deal was for one-term, so I think that means a deal with Obama.
They may have made some other deal with her (more likely made it clear they were going to cheat him to victory no matter what!), because the night of the last primary, she made it sound like she was fighting on. Then not long later, she made it clear she wasn’t going to. It does seem like *some* thing happened…
1. I agree about the unemployment numbers being too low. I’m sure the real numbers will show that it’s already in double digits. The other day, Robert Gibbs said that the President has no intention of letting unemployment reach 10%. I immediately thought “hmmmm, they’re cooking the numbers.” I do not trust anything that this administration tells us.
2. He’s running for a 2nd term. The worse it gets, the more HE IS CONVINCED THAT ONLY HE CAN SOLVE IT. He is that narcissistic to truly believe that he, and only he, can “change” the ways of our economy and country’s principles.
3. However, your friend’s scenario could come to fruition if Obama is so damaged and weak – but still insists on staying on board for a 2nd run – but other Dems, including Hillary, challenge him in the primary. Like Carter had a primary challenger, so can Obama. I always thought it would be Howard Dean or Al Gore that would come back to challenge him, but Hillary certainly can, too.
Oh, gosh, it just occurred to me to wonder what would happen to BO if the truth all finally comes out about him, and people turn on him. I think he might end up in an asylum, seriously… That narcissism masks a fragile ego, and if it’s not fed…. I think he’ll really fall apart…
I was thinking about that too, would he stutter permanently? He doesn’t take “heat” from people very well.
Way to applaud the economy tanking because you believe it will help your candidate. If Obama’s spending spree sticks us in the mire, the country will turn to Hillary who voted for a war and a bank bailout, each one costing about a trillion bucks, to fix it? I don’t think so. More like Ron Paul. Sorry, Wess, Hillary won’t leave State anytime soon since working under Obama has given her the highest approval ratings of her career – about double what they were a year ago.
Her approval ratings as US Senator from NY were always in the high 60′s. So they could definitely not double. They were never lower than that as you suggest. She won reelection with 67% of the vote. This state may be blue, but 67%? She had high approval ratings because she represented this entire state, not just the Democrats, unlike your guy.
I can’t believe the war vote has much to do with anything anymore, as most everyone Obama has hired supported the war… including his VP….
I predict the Republicans will run Sarah Palin in 2012.
She is more of a right-wing Republican and Neo-Con draw than McCain.
Many of their right-wing cults will demand Huckabee, but it will become quickly apparent to the top GOP that Huckabee is a cyanide pill!
Hillbuzz, if you’re reading everything relevant, then you really need to read Mark Levin’s *Liberty and Tyranny.* It’ll tell you exactly why the country’s going wrong and what we can do to try to get it back on track.
Once again JackDaddy knows his s***. read the book!
Why would Hillary have to run as a Democrat? I could see her running as a Republican. Seeing how badly disorganised the RNC is this last election cycle what would stop her? She could declare that she can no longer serve in Obama’s cabinet because she does not agree with the direction he is taking the country. She is far to the right of Obama anyway. I think a moderate Republican Hillary Clinton would be extremely attractive as a candidate. I am a Republican who voted for Bill Clinton twice. She would be unbeatable as a moderate Republican.
Hillary Clinton is no Republican. Clinton is actually more progressive than Obama on economic issues (but to the right of him on foreign policy and defense). Now, you’re probably thinking, “she would have spent more than Obama! Glad she isn’t president then!” No. There’s a good liberal and a bad liberal. There’s FDR and there’s Jimmy Carter. Obama is a bad liberal. He’s throwing money at the banks thinking it will create confidence in the markets when the problem is not confidence, but insolvency. Obama is doing EXACTLY what Herbert Hoover did. Hoover bailed out the banks in the same fashion Obama is doing right now. The bailouts of Hoover destroyed the financial system. Obama’s bank bailout plan has actually REDUCED lending since January, when the goal, of course, is to INCREASE lending. What does that tell you? Obama’s is surrounded by economists and Wall Street insiders that CAUSED this mess.
Why do you think liberals like Paul Krugman have been so against Obama’s bank plans? Because it is NOT really a liberal policy. It is the voodoo economics of pseudo-conservative Herbert Hoover. And why do you think Paul Krugman supported Hillary Clinton the primaries? Because she was the real progressive with the leadership of FDR. Obama is another Herbert Hoover. It took FDR to clean up after Hoover and it will take HRC, a modern FDR, to clean up after Barack Hoover Obama.
Please understand. A big liberal like Krugman is not going to support the more moderate or conservative candidate. Take a look at this line from one of his columns back in March 2008. He never liked Obama. He saw that he was a fraud, but the NY Times would not let him say so:
“Mrs. Clinton, we’re assured by sources right and left, tortures puppies and eats babies. But her policy proposals continue to be surprisingly bold and progressive.
Finally, Mr. Obama is widely portrayed, not least by himself, as a transformational figure who will usher in a new era. But his actual policy proposals, though liberal, tend to be cautious and relatively orthodox.”
Let’s look at the mortgage issue. Obama has WORSENED the foreclosure disaster. Since his mortgage plan, that was suppose to save homes, foreclosures have actually increased.
It’s another one of Obama’s cautious voodoo economic plans because he doesn’t have the spine to do what’s right. He’s too concerned with popularity. He’s NOT a leader. FDR didn’t give a damn what the establishment or the powerful corporations thought of his plans. He did what was right and although the economic situation was far worse than it is now, he didn’t need to scare the shit out of Americans.
America lost their chance to see a truly great president. Hillary Clinton, a FDR for the 21st century. Principled, intelligent, compassionate and courageous. It angers me that people went with the popular fad instead of true principles and character.
I suggest you read “The Forgotton Man” by Amity Shlaes. FDR was NO PRIZE. What you say about Hoover is true but FDR made things worse not better. FDR also used alot of Wall Streeters too. You can also read “New Deal or Raw Deal.” Like Hillbuzz is advising us, we should get our own information instead of believing all the party disinformation we were taught.
FDR’s mistake was listening to advisers suggesting that he balance the budget by REDUCING spending. When that happened, the economy tanked again. WWII eventually got us out of the depression. Whether you like FDR’s policies or not, it can not be denied that he was a great leader.
Ms. Shlaes’ book is a revisionist history of the Great Depression and has been debunked by many scholars.
James, I agree that Hillary would never run as a republican. She is most definitely a democrat.
Sometimes I see people say they wish Hillary and Sarah would run together – I also think that would *never* happen, as neither woman would be interested in that. They have different political beliefs.
It wouldn’t happen – but we can dream can’t we. =)
KJA – if it happened, it might show that the country really wants to work together, that’s for sure.
I’d vote for a
Hillary/Palin ticket
of any political party flavor!
I like the idea of Obama not running again, I like the thought of him resigning too, however if the economy does not recover or gets worse there is slim hope that any democrat will win in 2012. Also what about the Soros factor, he has his hooks deep into this administration, he seems more power hungry than the president, I can’t see him letting the biggest job get away from hom or not putting his puppet back on the ticket.
will step down in 2010 to focus on “something else”…
If dreams come true…I’m with ya/Hillary 150%!!
I think Palin will wait another 4 years. But I’m all for Hillary so hope Wess is right!
There is always the possibility of Biden getting thrown under the bus. If barry’s numbers are low, he may want Hillary to run with him in 2012. He knew he had it in the bag this time, so he picked an older, white, DC insider as the safe bet.
I hope she doesn’t run with him…I don’t think I could support her then. I am still hoping there is something up the Clintons’ sleeves. I was glad that Chelsea didn’t come out campaigning heavily for Obama. That should have said something.
So, Hillbuzz . . . if this awful scenario were to come true: BO in 2012 with Hillary as VP. Would you support that ticket?
Just curious.
There was speculation in the primaries that Obama would pick her as VP, and personally, I never heard a single PUMA (which HB was) say they would support that. No one wanted Hillary tainted by him – plus he has that nasty habit of throwing people under the bus…
I take that back – I think I’m repressing some of the trauma of the primaries! There was a section of Hillary supporters who wanted her to be his VP. I didn’t. My personal opinion of those people was that they just wanted her to “win something”, get some kind of prize after being cheated out of the nomination (given that she actually won). I didn’t think those people were considering her future, they were just thinking short term, IMO.
I hope if he asks she’ll tell him to ‘suck it’ And yes, Chelsea played it perfectly.
One thing tho … Hillary doesn’t qualify as “assassination insurance” like Joe.
We all need to pray that this materializes, cause BHO (or TOTUS) is a complete mess.
Can someone explain to me why POTUS is announcing that Chrysler is going into bankruptcy?
The company can voluntarily file for Chapter 11 protection. TOTUS doesn’t need to make an announcement of it, the filing is the freakin’ announcement.
This is grand-standing & an embarrassment to people who have common sense. Just like his NY photo-op stunt.
This has been my feeling for months now. Some deal was made. If Hillary no longer cared about being politically viable in the Democratic Party she could have annihilated 0zero ages ago…BUT she would have also destroyed herself politically because the AA’s and koolaid drinkers would have never forgiven her.
This is going to be very very interesting.
Since she was labeled a racist by O, any public office will be difficult for her to obtain. I seriously doubt she will ever run for Governor, or Pres. for that matter. For someone who has done so much for minorities throughout her life, it’s a crying shame what the AA’s must believe about her now.
Will work my heart out for Hillary, should she decide to run again.
If not..will work for Sarah.
Lots of people behind you in Texas, Hillbuz! The TX delegation stood strong for Hillary in Denver.
I don’t know, Hillbuzz–it’s OK to be optimistic, but politics is such a nasty business. I hate to think of Hillary being forced to first WATCH and then clean up the tragic mess into which Obama is crashing us headlong. Then again, she DID make some very kind comments to Ron Paul the other day–policy wise, I think Dr. Paul would be the only one to lead us out come 2012. Or Hillary as prez, Ron Paul as Treasury Secretary? Hmm…
All I know for sure is I will never see our overlords the same way again. The politicians are way too connected to the bankers and nobody represents We the People. I still trust Hillary, but it infuriates me to know she has to help Obama look competent.
If I may be so bold as to suggest some books: Meltdown by Thomas E. Woods Jr. describes what got us into our current situation and the way out, The Case Against the Fed by Murray Rothbard, Economics in One Lesson by Henry Hazlitt, and Crisis and Leviathan by Robert Higgs (about federal government taking advantage of crises to increase in size and scope).
I am approaching my education from the money and economics angle. I mean, social issues are important, but I believe they are used as emotional diversions from the very real ways our government/banking rulers are taking advantage of us and hurting citizens at ALL socio-economic levels, but especially the poor. And then they twist it all to make themselves seem like the ‘champions’ of the poor–it is such a dirty world, politics. It all comes down to one thing: audit then ABOLISH the Fed. They are a privately owed institution that toys with our futures with NO oversight whatsoever. Check out http://www.endthefed.us/ and any/all articles by “Jake the Champion of the Constitution” reached through: http://www.nolanchart.com/author481.html
Other great websites for excellent analysis of what’s really going on in the economy: http://www.mises.org and http://www.lewrockwell.com
Thanks for this great website.
I couldn’t vote for Obama under any circumstances, even with Hillary as his V.P. I think the American people will be so fed up with Barry in 2012 that “Joe the plumber” could beat him. On all internet polls he gets an “F” and even Gallup has his approval rating the lowest of any President since 1969.
Joe the plumber 2012!
How about Palin/Wurselbacher 2012?
Barky McSpendy’s approval rating was back down to +2 on Rasmussen today. It’s just a matter of time until he goes into negative territory, though it looks like he’ll beat the May 1 over-under.
barky mcspendy- well done, sir.
That birth certificate thing just might crop up if he tries to run again. And after they see the shambles he has created, the people who know where he was really born will pull out all the stops.
I don’t think anything can scare Sarah Palin and I think she knows that she has a strong following. There are a lot of people that are advising her not to partake too much in the traveling shows that the GOP are going to put together to prove how patriotic they are or how concerned they are about the American public. She needs to stay just outside the perimeter and do her own thing and let the GOP implode up on itself. This may happen before the 2012 election, it might happen later. Don’t really know the answer to that. But mark my words the GOP is going to implode.
MizzouGal- interesting…if I understand you correctly, your advice for Sarah is to do pretty much what Hills is doing- as you put it, “stay just outside the perimeter” and do her own thing.
I somewhat agree with your idea. Think it’s also pretty sad that the two strongest potential candidates at this point have to stay away from the middle of their parties because they aren’t particularly wanted and/or it wouldn’t be good for their futures.
Some weird stuff going on….
This last election was the first time I paid such close attention to politics, so I’m not an expert on how the parties pick their candidate.
But I did hear on Fox a couple of weeks ago, some commentator (sorry, can’t remember who) was saying that Sarah wasn’t working to endear herself to the RNC (politics within politics, I guess). They were saying (paraphrased) that you have to jump through the party’s hoops, or they won’t make you the candidate.
Of course, in a primary, there are many candidates – but I know I, for one, learned the hard way last year that it’s not really about the voters’ choice… the party seems to have a lot of power, unfortunately…
That’s pretty true. But if Sarah has a groundswell of support, the RNC can’t ignore that (or at least they would be foolish to ignore it).
I don’t think Sarah will be able to run. The MSM, the MSEI (Main Stream Entertainment Industry) and the DNC won’t let her. We think she’s gotten trashed up to now – if she officially throws her hat in the ring – we haven’t seen anything yet.
I have never been able to understand why people have such a visceral hatred towards this woman.
I think it’s because many people *really* liked her – and because she’s a woman.
Oh, also – she’s kind of her “own woman” – at least, it seems that way for what I know. The people who react so negatively to her may be afraid, not just of her popularity (I think she really energized people, she was like a breath of fresh air), but that if she wins, they can’t control her. And if it’s true she’s not “endearing” herself to the RNC, I guess that’s more proof that she’s her own woman… more to hate (apparently)
Jealousy, pure jealousy.
She’s smart, funny, movie-star gorgeous, she’s got a loving family, a faithful hunky husband, a successful career, and CLASS. She’s got it ALL, which so few of us do, and she pretty much earned it all for herself every step of the way (wasn’t handed to her). And some pissy little people just can’t STAND that.
I think Sarah will run. I don’t know if it will be 2012, but she WILL run and she WILL win. If Nixon could resurrect his image and win in ’68, Palin sure as heck can. Stranger things have happened – O’Barky is proof of that.
KJA:
You packed a lot of good stuff into three paragraphs.
Agreed the RNC would be foolish to ignore Palin’s grassroots appeal. Were they to do so, people like me would forever wash our hands of the GOP, and in my case would begin actively working against them.
Don’t know if I agree with your second paragraph. My suspicion is that after Preznit McSpendypants gets done wrecking our country, the MSM and MSEI (good acronym- never saw it before) are going to hold a lot less sway over things, given how biased they were in the last election. As for the dnc- I don’t think anyone will be in much of a mood to listen to the obamidiots running things there come 2012.
I don’t rightly understand the Palin hate either.
What I come up with is the all out msm propaganda war waged against her in the last election, coupled with McCain leaving her twisting in the wind instead of fighting for her as the main reason. Ladle in some beltway pundit snobbery, a pinch of voter indifference/ignorance, and you got Palin hate.
hillary will bail on BO and run as an independent….. she’ll pull from both repubs and democrats that have had enough of BO…. first woman and independent to take the white house….I can dream can’t I, sometimes wishes do come true.
But she could have done that last year, when she realized how much the DNC was working against her, how much support she had from the people…. but she didn’t….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuNjEE4BqzE&feature=player_embedded
Hey…just wanted to remind you if you are not busy tonight..watch American Chopper on TLC at 9 eastern as Gov. Palin and Alaska are featured. The above is a clip from tonight’s show.
When I was young and lived in Philadelphia, I was a Democrat…my parents were Democrats, ergo, so was the entire family. My mother, who is 86 and has lived out of Philly for the past 30 years, finally broke the cord, and voted Republican in the last election. When I left Philly I moved to a place that worked…..and the area was Republican. I couldn’t bring myself to register Republican, so I have been an Independent for over 40 years. I don’t think there is a Democrat at the National level who doesn’t walk the socialistic walk, and despite their avowing that they are “against War, are humanitarians, are for the middle class and the poor…and against all that they themselves are….the rich….. oh so touchy feely” I believe them to be cruel and dangerous Party. if you do not toe the party line, they castrate you. These are not the charictoristics of a good and humane Party, they are the of an arrogant elitist group. The individuals who have long thought of themselves as being of the Democratic mindset, bear no resemblance to the Party leaders, yet they can’t see the disparate differences between them. The Democratic Party, for years, cultivated the culture of servitude in their members…deliberately…they required a frightened constituency. In doing so, they have created People of goodwill who do not bother to see past the word ” Democratic Party”on their ballots…and we all suffer and we are all also to blame because we were too lazy to see the proverbial forrest for the trees. I pray we aren’t to late in recognizing the truth.
You sure hit the nail on the head. The dems are the party of hypocracy. That is why I switched too. One thing I could never understand is their stance on war. They supported Clinton in Bosnia, which was the right thing to do. It freed people from tyranny, but they accused Bush of being a murderer for freeing people in Iraq. I will criticize Bush for his lack of balls in reigning in the spending done by his own party, and for not stopping the flow over the borders. But the thing I think Bush did right, was go into Iraq. Women of the middle east have been indentured servants forever. They are finally able to go to school and dream of a better life. I will never understand why liberal women screamed at him for doing so. The celebs complain about the genocide in Darfur under Bush, but were silent towards the genocide in Rwanda under Clinton. This is where party is put before what is right. Sadly, America is the only country willing and able to help the suffering masses under dictators. This is not about being a warmonger. It is about civil rights. Bush will someday be a hero for what he did.
I think you’ve suggested the answer to your own question as to why so many liberal/feminist groups were so against Bush — and also, if you noticed, against Sarah Palin, and even Hillary Clinton.
I think the answer is obvious –it is because they are really Alinsky-style SOCIALISTS masquerading as FEMINISTS.
Their main goal is to weaken the US — and they will support whichever candidate appears to fall in line with that ultra-left ideology.
So, while it is understandable that they wouldn’t support Bush, notice that they even prefer to back an ultra-LEFT Hate-America-First male (Obama) over any independent-minded female … like a Sarah or a Hillary.
Some true feminists — like a Tammy Bruce or a Camille Paglia aren’t afraid to praise Sarah, even though they may disagree with her on many issues — but most of the others are simply hypocrites.
Thank you Hillbuzz.I love you guys.And please thank your friend Wes.I hope and pray this is true.Either Hillary or Sarah.2012 or 2016.
It seems logical that Barry will only want one term. After all, when has he ever kept a job very long? He only voted present long enough to be called president. Once he gets the pension and the lucrative speaking assignments he will no longer have to work. He does not like the job, just the perks. After 4 years, he will be able to afford the perks. He can get a private jet and fly around the world giving his little speeches to the masses, until they all bow at his feet and beg him to be emperor. I hope his teleprompter is not looking for early retirement. As bad as it is now, he could get worse!
Hmmmm… you have a point; I completely forgot about his laziness. The question is, will his narcissism overcome his laziness or vice versa?
Hi Hillbuzz
I have several thoughts:
1) Why is everything a “conspiracy.” This entire post is speculation, which is not the same thing. Rose colored glasses are being used, but that’s OK.
2) We are about 100 days in this Administration and the superlatives are flying – all very extreme. His supporters are still tossing the grandiose syllables and his detractors are talking like its the Titanic at 1:55 a.m.
3) If “Wess” is representative the Democratic party is finally riven in two.
4)I have to shake my head because every piece of news confirms my initial judgment of President Obama. He is arrogant, inept (or so inexperienced it is the same thing) a leftist ideologue and venal to the core. Ouch.
What to do?
A posting on American Thinker had some good suggestions. Find the gaps between what he says and what he does and what he claims and what the facts are – and then trumpet the difference. Organize and battle every piece of legislation they try to pass and every appointment they try to make. Make them give a solid reason for doing what they do – and then tell the world the truth about their failures.
Finally, whether you will acknowledge it or not Hillary’s chances in 2012 and beyond depend on how much of a mess President Obama makes. If his detractors are correct and he is as bad as many (myself included) fear his malfeasance may be truly spectactular. In which case the D behind her name may be a huge liability.
A dream come true. ♥
I don’t buy it, but if this actually happened, it would be glorious.
DID YOU SEE THIS?
ABC news basically condemned these men to death by giving their names and addresses to the world.
The Fatwahs against them are coming, just you watch.
Are country will never be safe under this dictator.
http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2009/04/unreal-abc-outs-waterboarding.html
I meant Our country.
Dont like ABC? call their advertisers and let them know your not buying their products any more.
“Wess believes there was a deal made in 2008, and that one-term was the deal. ”
A lot of what Wes thinks is based on this belief. I’d be curious to know what makes him even think this….? I can’t imagine why the DNC would make a deal for one-term, when they had this “magic man” who had all those people “swooning”. What would be in it for them, to limit their “preferred candidate” to one term?
I can’t even wrap my brain around a term deal. I agree lorac. It makes zero sense to me, seeing as he’s been running for 2012 since the 5th of Nov.
Yeah, that’s right, I think. Plus, he’s making a lot of big changes quickly – why make a one-term deal then, and take the chance the other side would win and rescind everything in 4 years?
Hillbuzz…we are all out here…ready, willing and able…when needed…
…said it before and it bears saying again…Hillbuzz has heart…
OT – Fox just announced that David Souter is resigning from the Supreme Court (retiring).
is david souter one of the liberal judges?
frankly, I have no clue why the heck these 9 people don’t have term limits!
I believe Bush 41 named him to the court but he has been a great disappointment to conservatives. He usually voted with the more liberal members.
I was hoping someone would pipe in with the answer! I can’t remember!
And related to this thread, if Obama names Hillary to the court, you can bet he is planning on 8 years and wants to remove possible competition now.
But do you think she would want it? I tend to think not, but I can’t verbalize why I think that…
Hillary isn’t interested in the Supreme Court, well maybe after she’s president!
People seem to think he will pick a woman.
Personally, I’m not so sure. With the current makeup of the Senate he can go as far left as he wants and I wouldn’t be at all surprised if he picks somebody way out in left field.
But if he thinks Hillary could be a threat later on, I think he might pick her. Would she take it? I don’t know.
I’m guessing he will pick somebody fairly young and VERY liberal.
Absolutely. Young and very liberal. Obama has it easy. He can pass anyone with his super majorities in the senate.
Yes, Souter is another way left judge who thinks we should use international law to interpret the Constitution. Ginsburg is another. Stevens, another lefty, just turned 89.
Obama will definitely find someone much younger and much worse than those three.
I hope those justices who are ‘originalists’ stay healthy.
There has been speculation around Michigan (not today, though) that 0 might name our inept, inert governor Jennifer Granholm to the SCOTUS.
But today everything is about the Chrysler bankruptcy. I expect the other shoe (GM) to drop soon.
As for Wess’ speculation, it sounds good to me. However, I’m not buying the part about how the DNC made a a one-term deal with Bozo. Instead, it sounds to me as if they want to make sure Hillary’s ready to go in 2012 in case some of 0′s many skeletons come out of the proverbial closet, or if people start to blame him instead of Bush for the Great Depression Version 2.0. Then there’s the possibility for another terrorist attack, which 0 will most certainly be blamed for.
I will say right now. As a Hillary Dem that voted Palin, I ♥ Jennifer Granholm. She is amazing.
People hate her in Michigan, buut nothing and no one can fix that state. It’s so misdirected. Jen is a shrewd woman, very smart, very sharp mind, and if she is on the SC I would absolutely adore it.
It might be one selection I would actually LIKE Obama for, quite frankly.
I think this is a very plausible, yet unlikely scenario. What makes me feel that it is plausible is that even though BO is screwing things up royally, the MSM is perfectly capable of projecting an image that things are all hunky dory, so that it is possible that the pendulum may be prevented from swinging too far into right field, allowing another dem win, which would hopefully be Hillary. I think it is unlikely, as we know that the powers that be screwed Hillary once, what’s to stop them from screwing her again?
If Obama’s internal polls show that he would lose by a landslide in 2012, ala Jimmy Carter, I could definitely see him jumping ship, ala Arlen Specter. But the bamster has no place to jump but out. I could also see Hillary resigning in a few years, before any foreign mishaps could be pinned on her. The Democrats would much rather have Hillary and a chance at winning than go with Obama and lose. And we know Biden has no chance at all.
Personally, as far as women go, I thought Liz Cheney made mincemeat of Nora O’Donnell in a debate on CNN last week
Well, that’s a good point about internal polls. He’s always had help winning his elections (crooked help), and now that he’s had all this hoopla, if the internal polls look bad, his ego may not allow him to chance losing, really for the first time exposing himself to that chance of losing.
Hillbuzz, should you choose to support her in another race, please be careful that you don’t follow Hillary blindly just because you like her.
Watch her every step of the way, judge her actions and make sure she will act in the best interests of America.
I don’t intend any insult – especially in light of your post immediately previous to this one – however I find sometimes people understandably become overwhemed by enthusiasm for a candidate from the effort they’ve personally invested in someone’s campaign. That emotional investment can sometimes cause lapses in judgement. You like Hillary, that’s good; but I hope you will continue to temper your enthusiasm for her with an ever watchful eye.
That advice truly applies for any politician, even Sarah Palin.
Obama overrides DHS and the FBI regarding the Chinese Uigher terrorists.
They are to be released within the U.S. and no doubt with access to welfare.
YAY!
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=31670
I still say BO will have a heart attack before his term is up. I don’t think it will be fatal, but it will lay him out. Even if he does have Parkinson’s–or any other malady–his heart will get him first.
Signed,
The Accidental Medical Empath
Accidental Medical Empath- you’re not a member of the Sisterhood of the Traveling Smartypants, are you?
P.S. to bobo butt-lickers: No, I am not hoping, praying, or wishing for this. It’s merely what I “feel” will happen.
BHO always has his eye on the next step up. So he will serve one term as POTUS. Next stop: Tyrant of the World.
Like you said….either way you are prepared.
I have also read a lot of what Wess has said on the net. So the fact it is in the real world with people in the know, is an interesting development.
On the conspiracy side. His hidden health records have me wondering as well….even worse things than Wess.
A man with such a big ego, bad health, while trying to fill dead men’s shoes is a bad combo.
Don’t know if anyone will get to this comment. The comment list is so long.
Some questions. You make it sound as if this was the plan for Hillary all along. Who is is that puts this plan into play? Is Hillary in on the plan?(obviously, she’d have to be) How did Hillary swing it to be SoS, then have this game plan in her back pocket? Did she know how much Obama would ruin everything? Why didn’t she warn moderate Dem’s more effectively?
I’m just asking….
Also from the comments on the unemployment rate. I like to study people, their habits, etc…I was married to a Sosciopath, really I was. So the thing with liars is, first they lie and they know it’s a lie, then after they “work” the lie for so long and others believe the lie, talk the lie, live the lie, it starts to become truth (at least in their realm of existence) On the outside of the insanity everyone else can see the foolishness of the lie.
So my point is if the MSM live the lie (of unemployment rates specifically) could this be part of the downfall of the current administration? In 1994 they were completely perplexed as to where all the “angry white old men” came from when the Republicans initiated Contract With America. Which was always laughable to me how the media portrayed me as ” Old Argry White Male” When in fact I was a “Happy White 29yr. old Woman” The MSM didn’t understand who or what they were talking about or to whom.
They are in a hall of mirrors speaking to just 4 or 5 well placed persons, seeming speaking to millions.
I just hope that Wess is right – this dream is one of the things that keeps me getting up in the morning and forces me to keep on going. The overwhelming disappointment that we’ve all experienced in the past year has been life altering and I will be ready for a 2012 run for Hillary! Keep the positive vibes coming – we all need it.
Whatever happens, I’m right there for the first female President, whenever she needs me.