Rush and his readers want to know: How can you support Hillary Clinton and Sarah Palin at the same time?
Dear Rush (and his listeners),
Yesterday you asked a question I get all the time, so thanks for the opportunity to address the fact so many Hillary Clinton supporters share a great admiration and respect for Governor Sarah Palin…and are all-in for her 2012 presidential campaign, despite many conservatives repeatedly insisting “But, they are so different! They are night and day! They’re natural enemies!”.
Really?
Both women love America, deeply, with all their hearts…to such an extent they’ve chosen to put themselves in the line of fire, on a daily basis, to do what they think is best to make this country stronger in their own ways. You might not agree with either of them on everything (or anything, if you’re a Hillary Derangement Syndrome (or Palin Derangement Syndrome) sufferer, but you can’t deny these women both take seriously their duty to the country…and if love of this nation means anything to you, you need to look past the differences the Left and the media use to keep Americans divided and start seeing that any friend of America is a potential ally in the bigger picture apart from any black and white partisan divide.
Even Hillary Clinton’s biggest detractors and harshest critics have to give the woman this: she firmly believes in American exceptionalism and would never do anything to deliberately harm this country. It is just not in her DNA. It was not Hillary Clinton back in Iowa in the summer of 2007 who just stood there, stupidly, without putting a hand over her heart when the national anthem played — that was then-candidate Obama, showing more of his perpetual disrespect for this country and its patriotic traditions. Hillary Clinton would never treat the presidency with the disrespect and scorn Obama revels in, taking every opportunity afforded to apologize for America (when he’s not bowing to the Saudi king, scraping before the Emperor of Japan, and generally going out of his way to diminish the office of the presidency, like he did this week by appearing on The Daily Show as if he was just another celebrity out promoting his latest movie or reality TV series…Obama channels George Clooney instead of George Washington).
Obama, and the Leftists who came to Washington from Chicago with him, truly has a weird, grievance-driven, resentment of all things American. If you remember the 2008 Democrat Convention in Denver, Obama’s supporters trashed the little American flags they waved for the TV cameras the moment the convention ended, tossing them into the garbage with his giant styrofoam pillars from that ridiculous stadium stage (and shouted O-Ba-Ma, O-Ba-Ma, like sheeple while doing it).
Something like that would never happen at an event for either Hillary Clinton or Governor Palin. Because the people these women both attract as supporters would never disrespect the flag, or America, like that. The reason Hillary and Palin people wouldn’t trash America, or symbols of American pride, is because these two women would never do that…and would aggressively call out anyone representing them who did. It would not be tolerated, because anti-Americanism would never be allowed to surround them in any way, shape, or form.
Obama thinks trashing America is both fun and funny. He loves it. Can’t get enough of it. Which is why those in his cult of personality, what I call the “Hate America Club”, are the way they are, behave the way they do, and are so gravitated towards this psychologically flawed man with a surreal axe to grind against this country…from the very Oval Office itself, unfortunately for all of us in this “Golden Age of Hope and Change”.
Maybe this is hard for some of you to understand, particularly those who’ve spent almost 20 years thinking Hillary Clinton was some sort of monster waiting her chance to “get you”. People who’ve called this woman a witch, a “Hildebeast”, and maligned her on a daily basis have trouble with the simple fact that whatever you imagined Hillary Clinton to be, in your worst nightmares, is nothing compared to the reality of the actual, here in the flesh, Obama presidency.
This is very similar to the insane, boogeyman meme the media works overtime spreading about Governor Palin, insisting she’d come to “get” gays like me, like she’s some sort of deranged, reborn Anita Bryant. The Left, and the media that it controls, invents a new paranoid fantasy about Governor Palin every day, because her staunch patriotism terrifies them…the way Hillary Clinton has terrified them for years. They just don’t get either of these women, or their enduring love of country.
Some of you seem to miss the simple fact that the Left declared all-out-war on Hillary Clinton in 2008…because the Left knew she would not do the things to the country the Left wanted done (the sick, corrosive, economy-destroying things Leftist academics and elites dreamed of doing for the thirty years they’ve been wandering in the wilderness since the Carter Administration). If Hillary Clinton was the monster she’s been maligned as, the Left would have had no reason to hamstring her presidential campaign and push Obama into the White House instead of her. Think long and hard about that.
The Left declared war on Hillary Clinton.
The Left hates Hillary Clinton.
The Left called her a witch, said she was a racist, pounded her into the ground as “polarizing”, assailed her supporters, mocked her abilities, and told her repeatedly to shut up and get off the stage.
Does this sound like anyone else we all know?
It’s, largely, the same things the Left says about, and does to, Governor Palin as well.
This is all linked intrinsically to the fact both of these women love America. They respect the flag. They’d consider serving as president to be the greatest honor of their lives and they’d use every day sitting behind the Resolute Desk to do whatever they thought best to leave a stronger and more prosperous America for the future when their time in office was over.
Neither of these women would be out screwing around on a golf course while millions of Americans scrounge the spare change they need to take the bus to the unemployment office. Neither of these women would be whooping it up at “Star-studded Cocktail Party Wednesdays”, like they were living as royals in Versailles, instead of being public servants presiding over a time of great austerity and uncertainty for millions of struggling Americans. Neither HRC nor Governor Palin would spit in American faces by taking endless vacations while so many people are without jobs, let alone the means to live a lifestyle of the rich and famous the way the Obamas constantly indulge in.
Because they feel entitled to these riches and trappings, instead of seeing themselves as they public servants they are.
There is a hard-working, America-loving, determinedness common to both HRC and Palin. They get knocked down, then they get back up again, and neither are ever afraid to take a punch at their attackers and detractors, especially when those people are hitting not just them, but America itself too.
They are not thin-skinned, weak, and obsessed with the trappings and glamor of office…they take their jobs and responsibilities seriously, never goof around, and are people I trust implicitly to handle whatever crisis arises at 3am when that telephone rings and America needs a staunch champion in the White House to stand up and get things done.
Would HRC and Governor Palin make different decisions on some issues? Yes.
Would I trust both of them to sit down and methodically review material in front of them to make the most informed and reasonable decision possible? Yes.
Would I sleep well at night knowing either of them was behind the Resolute Desk when that 3am phone call came in because neither of them would ever do anything to deliberately and intentionally harm this country? Yes.
This is what everything boils down to for me in politics — does the person running for office love America more than life itself? Does this person work hard? Is this person strong enough to stand up for this country and view the presidency as America’s greatest champion, with a duty to strengthen the nation and smack America’s enemies down HARD whenever the country needs her to?
HRC and Governor Palin are both as tough as nails. That’s one of the myriad reasons their detractors hate them both so much. They are nobody’s wilting violets. That toughness breeds contempt in many, stoked by the media that constantly calls them both “polarizing”. That’s a code word the Left uses against women, in particular, that’s essentially calling them both a “b****”.
Because that’s what a woman who’s tough, takes no prisoners, and hits back hard when challenged is called: “a polarizing b****”.
Know what?
I love having polarizing b****es in office then, because they sure beat having a fey, American-hating, Marxist in the Oval who delights in apologizing for our exceptionalism and demeaning the office of the presidency.
B****es get stuff done. They take gruff from no one. They bow before no kings or emperors.
THAT is what I want in a president. THAT is someone I can cheer for.
Isn’t it time to put the Hillary Derangement and the Palin Derangement away and stop falling for the trap the media and Left set…the trap designed to make enemies of Hillary and Palin supporters so we never join forces against the Left, against Obama, against anti-Americanism?
Isn’t it time to stop obsessing all day about how these two women are different, and instead focus on the common ground they share…their extreme, unimpeachable, determined love of country?
Hillary Clinton and Governor Palin both have servants’ hearts.
Hillary Clinton and Governor Palin both respect the office of the presidency and the Constitution of this country.
Hillary Clinton and Governor Palin both wake up every morning and do whatever they can, personally, to make America safer, stronger, and more prosperous.
It’s in their DNA…and that, put simply, is how I can support both of them at the same time…because both of them love this country and that’s just the ultimate purity and litmus test for me.
Kevin DuJan
Editor-in-Chief
HillBuzz.org
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Beautifully said, Kevin.
It brings me back again to the moment I found this blog. When you wrote the Thank you letter to George Bush. I learned about your affection of Hillary but your awakening to all things evil about the far-left. We all sat here in tears while Obama bashed our country and wished Hillary WAS president…It opened all our minds.
The news media and both political parties want to put everybody in a box and control things. We have to find ways to get out of that box. That box is not good for the country.
Kevin duJan, You the Man!
Your post was a cogent reply to Rush and his audience’s question. Some closed minded people may still not get it. Let me try for them.
Imagine that a group of “Hillary Babes” and some Republicans are on a plane that crashes in a wilderness. Initially, they fight over historical prejudices, but eventually, they realize that survival is dependent on cooperation. Later, after they are rescued, they can argue over the topics that matter less than survival.
So, here we are: Stuck in Obamariterville. Both the Hillary Babes and the Reps are fearful about surviving the severe deprivation of the triple-helix of damage made by the Dem House, Senate, and Executive.
Along comes Kevin Dujan, who suggests to Rush that the Hill Buzz P.U.M.A. movement join forces with the Reps and Rush’s Operation Chaos, to help everyone survive until post-election 2012 (2011 to 2012, Obama will veto everything the new Rep-led House and Senate will try to do).
Kevin wisely points out that after we have all been saved from the HUGE problem that we all agree on, we can argue things like “how many angels can dance on the head of a pin” and other fascinating political concepts.
But that can all wait for later. Right now, we still have 12+ months to go until the election of 2012 is over. we need to help each other survive and fight the vicious press that will seek to devour us all.
At least in the near-term, the enemy of my enemy may be my friend.
As a Lakota (American Indian called sioux) I agree with Kevin that the time has come to “bury the hatchet” and work together. We can argue the details later.
I understand where you’re coming from, but I’ll never be a Hillary supporter.
There’s too many radical associations and “it takes a village” statements that I’d have to ignore.
The Boyz don’t ask us to support Hillary. They don’t even ask that we refrain from criticizing her — as long as the criticism is fact-based. All they ask is that we put our differences aside for a moment and do everything we can to stop Obama.
Yeah, I picked up on that vibe. I certainly agree with that.
OT: Had an issue with registering and my display name, which should be resolved now.
I see — nice avatar. There are a few others around here with that one.
Any one that can not do this one simple thing is as bad–NO WORSE than the idiots on the far left..
Sometimes I watch tv and hear these “people” running that mouth and wonder how can some people be so totally cluless and function in polite society..
we have no choice but to band together and take our country back*** NOW!!
We can work out the kinks later — when we have a country to “tweek”"!!!
Exactly!!!! WE HAVE NO CHOICE! We must take our country back and band together. EXACTLY!
No matter what anybody else thinks of Hillary, we all can agree that she has a servant’s heart, and she means well for the country…moreso the women and the children of America.
Both the right and the left of this country has painted her so many colors that give an image of Hillary based on what you want to belive about her.
Bottom line is, she loves this country and is willing to give her all to serve.
I have developed a very new view of Hillary since reading the open letter to Bush and becoming a buzzer. If she was in a position to beat Obama at his own game, of COURSE I would vote for her. At this point, I am awake enough to see that our unalienable rights are being played with and will eventually disappear if no one stops the progressive movement.
I can’t speak to her “servant’s heart” or doubt that she wants what she believes is good for America. However, based on what she says and her past deeds, she and I fundamentally disagree on what is good for America. Sarah and I are on the same page, believing our founding fathers’ vision for American government is what is right for our country. That would be free market capitalism and limited government which empowers the people and respects and entrusts the individual.
I agree GlockLady. I was an avid HRC supporter for years and a Democrat. However, I have had a closer look at her as SOS and I no longer believe she is a centrist; in fact that’s why she is in the Obama administration…because she is a leftist as well. Sarah is the one I can put my support behind/
there are quite a few here who are not Hillary supporters.
However, what we recognize is that Hillary would not have done many of the things that have been perpetrated by Øbama.
This includes the totally inappropriate response to the GoM situation with the oil spill, including the refusal to waive the Jones Act.
We also believe, despite holding our noses, that Hillary would not have upset so many of America’s allies.
Aussie, you are absolutely correct in your assessment of Hillary concerning the above. The only difference is I would not be holding my nose but I appreciate your “fairness” because you have always been a conservative.
I’m a Rush listener and Sarah Palin supporter. Agree – the radical left has taken over the democrat party and really screwed Hilary. But it doesn’t change the fact that Hilary is a leftist, maybe just not as radical as Obama. Look at how Bill is helping out the Obama administration, how many Clinton people are with this administration. Hard to believe that a group so dedicated to Hillary could find themselves now dedicated to Sarah Palin (and Christine O’Donnell!). But I guess we have to start somewhere if we are going to get this country back to where it should b. I am willing to give Hillbuzz the benefit of the doubt and listen to what you have to say….
Thank you so much.. welcome
I’m not entirely sure that Bill is helping Obama. I think it might look like that, on the surface, but on the list of odd things that help me sleep secure at night, one near the top is:
The Clintons are, if I may borrow from JK Rowling, true Slytherins. Just because it looks like they’re doing one thing, doesn’t mean they aren’t actually doing something else entirely. Like reading Tarot cards, you don’t read the card itself– you read the relationships between them, the invisible lines that form beneath the cards.
So too, the Clinton’s do thing A, say thing B, attend event G, don’t say thing E, and don’t do thing M. All these together imply that they are waiting for (and have been) for the cards to fall and, likely, have been doing what they can to help it wall while keeping their hands pristine.
Yes, they’ve both made mistakes over the years, but they both learn.
I’m not much of a Clinton-fan myself. But, I do respect them as politicians, as people who raised a wonderful daughter, and as people who love America. . .
Is Bill really helping Obama? Hmmmm…I’m not convinced he is.
Obama has spent an enormous amount of energy keeping the Clintons in “check” these past few years. I wouldn’t jump to the conclusion that they are helping Obama.
You’re right….Bill is working for Bill.
Bill as a Slytherin? Very apt! A true student of Slughorn.
oh fun! palin would have to be in gryffindor! (oh my god, i think i can totally see her being a female harry potter!) but actually, i think hillary would be more ravenclaw…the obamas are definitely slytherin. no hufflepuffs in DC tho!
I’m not really sure if Bill is helping Obama or not. There is one thing that kinda nags at me, though. I wish the D past presidents would, like the R past presidents, be the “former president of ALL the United States” and put partisanship aside. In other words, stop campaigning for D’s and talking nasty about R’s. No matter if they are a present- or former- POTUS they should be the president of ALL the United States, and not be out bad-mouthing either party or pushing candidates. This is my own personal opinion only mind you.
I, too, am a Rush listener and a strong constitutional conservative, Tea Party supporter. I have never been a Democrat or a Clinton supporter. Although I don’t completely agree with the Hillbuzz editors’ feelings about Hillary and don’t believe the Clintons are the selfless servants here described, I have the utmost respect for Hillbuzz because of their insight, their passion, their fairness, and their tireless efforts to work for a better America. So, I can agree to disagree with them and let it go. The readers here come from a LOT of different perspectives but seem to find more what we have in common than what divides us.
I know there are a large number of Democrat voters who are not far-left, socialist radicals. Hillary is more appealing to this group. I give her props as a shrewd politician, and I don’t think she has the same kind of chip on her shoulder for America that Obama does. And very simply, I remember hearing a TON of people who voted for Obama for one reason alone–the economy was so good under Bill Clinton that they naively believed that just getting a Dem in office would magically restore the value of their investments and retirement savings that took such a hit when the stock market crashed. They didn’t really look at much else and now have MAJOR buyer’s remorse.
You may be skeptical of the politicians, but among voters, the phenomenon of “Clinton Democrats” is very real. I think it’s pretty darned akin to the Tea Party–grassroots voters telling their party that it is not representing them anymore. So while I don’t see eye to eye with Democrats on quite a few issues, I do think there is room for conservatives to ally with “Clinton Democrats” against a common and very powerful threat to the America we all love. And HillBuzz is a great place to connect in that effort.
The Clinton Democrats and Reagan Democrats are one in the same. Obama will always be considered a Jimmy Carter far-left radical…and just as delusional.
Exactly right, Bev. There are a lot of Clinton Democrats who are much too center-right to ever become Obamacrats. We may never become rock-ribbed Republicans, but we’re pragmatic enough to understand the need to unite against a common enemy. The Obamacrats have succeded in destroying the Democrat Party, and they’re well on their way to destroying the country.
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I would have said that he was more delusional than Carter….
I was in my 20s when Carter was President… he was horrible.
How can I forget the bad way that he handled the Iranian hostage crisis.
How can I forget that he was enthusiastic for Khomenei… what a dweeb
5/31/08 was a shock to the system in more ways than just the theft of the primary. It showed me that Hillary would take the politicians way rather than fight to the finish for us. It changed everything for me. It helped my decision that Gloria Allred was in the middle of the convention that furthered the theft. I re-registered as an Independent and now vote straight R as a means to stop them. I support the Tea Party candidates and their agenda. You have to understand that we thought the Clintons were something they obviously are not…it was like a veil was lifted from my eyes. I came from a family of FDR Democrats and voted in step with them all my voting life until 2008. Now I’ll never vote for another D again. Perhaps that will help understand the process many of us have undergone.
Madame DeFarge, I identify with many points in your comment. I too came from a family of FDR democrats and pretty much followed the party line until that infamous date of 5/31/08 as well. And yes, I was also disappointed in Hillary. But to be fair to Hillary, what were her options at that point? She could have taken it to the convention floor and fought but I’m afraid it would have been a losing battle. Her own party leaders and the MSM were against her. She had no where to turn in the dem. party with the powers that be and if she had run as some third party candidate, she would have been labled a “bitter loser”. At least when Sarah Palin was attacked by the “left” and by the MSM, many conservatives rushed to her defense both within her party as well as commentators like Hannity and Rush Limbaugh. Hillary along with her family, and her supporters were routinely savaged by MSNBC and to a lesser degree on CNN. Surprisingly Fox Cable News treated her the best even though they were politically on opposite sides of the fence.
I wish she had not taken a position in the Obama administration but I fear she would have been treated as a “pariah” by colleagues had she returned to the Senate.
I too will probably never vote dem. again either although I’ve found in my life “never to say never”. Who knows, maybe something like a “Tea Party” will rise from the ashes of the nearly dead democrat party? I watched Kendrick Meek – the dem. running for Senate in Florida on Greta tonight and I was impressed with his sincerity, his good humor and his courage even though he’s on the wrong side of the fence politically. (If I lived in Florida, I would be voting for Rubio.) But maybe people like Meek will be the new face of the dems. if there’s anything left to salvage after 2012?
Even though I disagree vehemently with the leftist politics of Kendrick Meek, I remain one who is impressed with him as a person.
Here are my reasons:
1. Meek and Rubio respect each other. That speaks volumes to this outsider.
2. when Rubio’s father passed away Meek acted with respect. He was due to have a debate and he postponed the deabte. Crist acted like a jerk.
3. In one debate when Crist got personal against Rubio, it was Meek who flew to his defence.
Every time that I saw Meek he had acted with honour.
If and when Mrs. Clinton runs for office, there will be plenty of time to assess the merits and demerits of her ideas. Right now, we need to focus on defeating the Leftists and Leader Obama.
I wish conservatives would put aside the Clinton issue long enough to join forces with unlikely friends whose company we currently enjoy to defeat Obama and the Leftists. That is the goal. And we should welcome all who would help us within the law.
Very much agree with this. Hillary isn’t running for anything right now. It’s the same thing as when Obama was campaigning against Bush, who was not running against him.
Agreed. The issue right now is defeating Obama. This is not the time to be splitting hairs on comparatively minor disagreements (*cough cough, Karl Rove, cough cough*) If we can agree that Obama’s policies are harming this country, then that should be enough to join forces. We can worry about Sarah Palin vs. Hillary Clinton if and when it happens. I, for one, am ecstatic to be on the same side with the likes of the HillBuzz boyz.
Haven’t the boyz clearly said time and time again that they will oppose the democrat ticket(s) from here on out? Wouldn’t that include Hillary?
Taking them at face value:
The mistreatment of Hillary by the DNC was the event that brought them fully awake re the evils of the left. That’s no different than a man beating his wife–but it’s just rumors until the man’s sister SEES him beating the snot out of her SIL, and THEN she takes a stand against him and ALL wifebeaters, but has the option of continuing a relationship with her brother.
I saw comments on another site yesterday saying that the boyz just yelled because “their ox got gored.” That’s silly. Just because the intensity of the event right on their personal doorstep was the event that “woke them up” does not mean that the left is not evil. Why on earth should they be discredited because of that? Good grief, there NOW thugs and thuggesses that have awakened because joyless behar ran her mouth this week. Even baabaawalters had a bit of an epiphany as I understand. Should we demand that they all leave television? or are not allowed to speak to the issue since it took them so long to connect the rude dots?
I think most of this hairsplitting is simply an effort to discredit the boyz, who are an effective voice against the left. I don’t think it has to anything to do with either Sarah or Hillary. And that’s why I don’t feel compelled to discredit Hillary or defend Sarah. This is not about them. They are just the context in which the boyz connected the dots.
It’s a side issue.
I expect by the time Rush is done examining it, he will have clarified it. He’s a strong dose when he suspects possibly something amiss, but he’s not unfair. He always acknowledges integrity.
The boyz have had a wild ride basically right to the top here…and for crying out loud, it shouldn’t be totally stunning the way they present their political history and emotional connections to politicians might leave an opening for misunderstanding.
The fact that those who have never lost a job in taking a stand for our nation should try to dismantle them because of their regard for Hillary says more about the dismantlers than it does about the boyz.
We as citizens are all in this together, as Americans, not Democrats or Republicans. We need to take back our country from these radical cleaned up hippie freaks. It begins on Tuesday, and I can hardly wait.
Obama is so far left, that anyone looks mild by comparison. But we’re talking shades of grey.
HRC is still a leftist. I have fundamental issues with her world view, her conscience, and her view of what government is and should be. She believes that “it takes a village” or a government or a bureaucrat to manage life. In these respects, HRC and SP are worlds apart.
I don’t think SP would stick around if her husband committed serial adultery and then lied about it to the public. I don’t think SP would accept a job as SecState if Romney became President. I don’t think SP would report Arizona and its immigration enforcement law to the UN Commission on Human Rights, in effect having dictators pass judgment on our laws. I don’t think that SP has a version of SarahCare that she wants to foist on America. I don’t think SP would ride the coattails of a philandering husband and demeaning adversary into some kind of cold, calculated political positioning. I don’t think SP would move to a different state merely to get elected senator.
On this subject, then, we will always disagree.
Perfectly stated. I am also not a fan of Hillery nor do I suffer from derangement syndrome, Hills past speaks volumes. I will do anything to remove this self serving power grabbing group of thieves from offices. Hillery is representing the US in a dignified manner, for that I am very thankful. Something O & Mo are not, truly an embarrassment to America and all that it stand for.
Sarah and Hillary are more alike than different as the Hillbuzz Boyz have expressed. Do I agree with everything Hillary? No. Do I agree with everything Sarah? No. Do I agree with those who cast the espersion that each is ‘polarizing’? He!! No.
Do I prefer for the yet to be born generations ‘communist’ over ‘polarizing’? Again….
A good friend said to me on the way to see Sarah Palin that Sarah was ‘soooo polarizing’….and her husband said, “…the country is NOT ready for a woman President..” My response was to question why not when the MEN Presidents have been screwing up the country for what 240 YEARS now????
Am I wrong to think that a lot of the criticism of Hillary, Sarah, Christine, Sharron, et al is just sexism – straight up? That is pure and simple how it looks to me.
Sexism is rampant especially for conservative women, the media lets the left side like butter. A woman president is exactly what this nation needs. Know more status quo, time to shake the china cabinet.
The left cannot stand to see the joy/light in a conservative women’s eyes, it reminds them of how unhappy they are.
We need to persuade women out of sexism views, more than men!
The left cannot stand any serious woman, conservative, moderate, or progressive.
Not sure I’d agree with that statement, but I doubt Sarah will ever be put to the test. I do know that Sarah Palin would not judge Hillary Clinton for her decision.
Why is it so difficult to understand? There is for many Americans a large difference between sex and love. Until you are in her shoes, I don’t think you have the right to judge Hillary for her choice.
And please, I am not supporting what Bill did! I am supporting Hillary’s choice to decide if she wanted to stay married to him or not. It’s not a decision anyone except Hillary can make.
Outstanding comments!
What I want to know is this:
If Hillary decides to run as either
VP to Obama in 2012, or in the
event Obama does not run in 2012,
Hillary runs for president, which
side of the fence is the Hillbuzz
crowd going to be on?
I’ve been a Hillbuzz reader for over 2 years. And from what I can tell… they might not know the answer to that themselves. What they might say to that question is this:
Hillary would NEVER run in 2012 so the question is moot.
Likely they would like to see Sarah for 2 terms and then Hillary for 2 more.
It is my best guess on what they might say.
Kevin has stated over and over that he would not support the Democrats as they stand right now. The Democratic party has been taken over by the far-left socialists.
I won’t vote for Obama under any circumstances and hope Hillary wouldn’t sully herself by agreeing to be his running mate.
If it comes down to Hillary vs Sarah? I can’t state positively but right now would lean toward Sarah.
If it’s Hillary vs Mitts? Or any other Republican? Hillary definitely!
I can say this definitely. If either of these ladies runs without the other as opposition, I’ll work my heart out for her.
Correction, the boys would like to see Sarah for two terms, followed Allen West for another two. Me too!
what Mike said.. even though I am a foreigner.
what Aussie said.
i come here almost every day to get my daily “dose” even tho i dont agree with boyzz about hillary.
like zurich mike, i cant forget she moved to chappaqua so she could run in ny, thers a naught word for that..maybe she’s not as left as bambo, but still a leftist.
HRC described herself as a progressive in the sense of American progressives of the early 1900′s. We all know these types were socialists and worse. So she may be right of Marxist Barry, but she’s still way left of Sarah. No comparison, really. HRC has the mindset of the 60′s hippies who believe their work to turn America into a socialist country is close, but not quite there. We need no more of her type. We need someone who will unravel the socialism that has been destroying this country since the New Deal and the Great Society days. B-bye, Hill.
The Clintons are moderate. I’m sorry…but Bill is from Arkansas and Arkansas is very moderate. I used to hate the Clintons. BUT…did I ever FEAR for my country during their terms? NO. Did Bill Clinton stop and listen to the American people? Yes. Is he a Democrat and a politician? Yes. But they never rammed stuff down our throats. They played the political games all politicians played but at the end of the day Hillary stood up beside George Bush against terrorism. The left DESPISES her for that. The Clintons knew that but they did what was RIGHT.
I do not fear the Clintons. I fear the socialists. There is a clear difference. The socialists are trying to get rid of the Clintons. That alone tells you something.
With the exception of the very liberal areas of Little Rock & Fayetteville, Arkansas is pretty conservative. We just have a lot of uneducated folks who vote DEM because “my daddy was a democrat”. But the tide is changing….
And Bill was loved here — Hillary, not so much.
That’s true…I have family in Arkansas. It was more because she was from Chicago, tho that people didn’t like =)
And it will keep changing if conservatives screw this up.
*sigh*
And that’s just a matter of time.
I am voting str8 republican, too, but unfortunately, I am already seeing some ominous signs.
Have you forgotten HillaryCare? The only reason Bill didn’t get his socialist ends is that 1994 and Newt got in the way. And let’s remember who Hillary was courted by for a job–the topic of there Wellsley thesis, Saul himself. The Clintons can sway a bit to the right when conditions force it, but they could sway far left too. I don’t trust either of them.
Clintons. BUT…did I ever FEAR for my country during their terms?
Don’t forget the technology transfer of advanced ICBM know-how to China via Loral & Hughes, once the veto was taken from DoD and given to Commerce . . then the Chinese money scandal in 1996 campaign & The Goron’s famous words “no controlling legal authority” . . .
Bev, you’re absolutely correct about that. The far left never forgave Clinton for working with the republicans and being a “moderate”.
I agree, MADgirl9.
You have done your homework and, like me, must have lived through the 60′s. HRC is smart enough to advance inch by inch rather than the Obama approach. Like boiling a frog.
Well, this isn’t the side-by-side, policy-by-policy breakdown that Rush is probably looking for… but it is a well-written piece. Obviously the support for each of these people has less to do with whatever specific policies they promote, and more to do with the shared perception of their character in general. I have a feeling that Rush and his listeners would just call it an “appeal to emotion” rather than the logical list breakdown I think they are used to.
I was actually talking to my husband about some of my theories about how you can reconcile supporting both Hillary and Sarah (Full Disclosure: I personally don’t have any huge hyperventilating problems with either of them) and I said that I suspected the support was on a deeper emotional level rather than a surface list of positions and policies. I don’t know whether emotional support for a candidate is inferior to logical support, superior to it, or just an equal but different way of looking at the world.
But hey- at least no one can accuse the boyz of not being genuine in how they feel! So hopefully this will at least put to rest the people who think they’re trying to manipulate or deceive either side by what they are writing about this.
Oh yeah, the other thing- the liberals of Clinton’s time, while you can argue about their goals and motives, would definitely not have stampeded their positions through with complete disregard for the American people. They were smarter politicians than that, who tried to work within the established legal framework. And when they saw the writing on the wall, they backed down from those positions- something the ones in office now would never, ever do.
YES. Bill didn’t shove HRC’s health-care reform through when he saw how massively unpopular it was. (Don’t remember if he had a House as servile as Obama’s.)
He was able to work well enough with Newt for us to get welfare reform and a balanced budget.
Michelle,
Thanks for your statement. That helps me understand how someone could be passionately for both Sarah and Hillary. The personality is more important than the policies affecting the country,.
Thanks Kevin… an excellent entry, as usual! I know I’ll be using this entry, like many others that you write, as my background material against “them”!
Like others, I’m a later joiner after finding you because of your entries on GWB. I came, I saw, I stayed. And I learned. Doesn’t get much better than that!
I understand where you’re coming from. But how can you excuse Hillarycare?
Who says we do?
Actually, although there were reasons that Hillarycare should have gone down, it was a better alternative to Abominablecare.
Hillary’s effort was based upon the Australian model.
If they had followed the Australian model, without all of the extras then it might have been more palatable.
Despite my above comment, I still despise what the govt put in place because over time costs have risen to the point of making a doctor visit unaffordable.
the heart of this essay is that obama has no heart for this country—and that does explain all his irrational behavior listed….
hateful.
the radicalism of the left was always something foreign to me until it barged into our white house via bribes and fraud…
sad.
obama is kicking out of here right after the election to a massive asia trip–booking 500-plus rooms at the Taj Mahal hotel—taking over 12-14 jumbo jets all on our dime…..
coward.
hmmm–if I was a dem in congress who supported obama and was reassured to be re-elected if I supported the obama agenda –and lost on tuesday—I see why obama wants to leave so quickly…..
sold out.
I wonder if the anger from these dems will die down or simmer on til 2012…..I wonder what kind of support obama will be getting from the democrat party in general?….
ignored.
how embarrassing for the obamas and his supporters to lose their precious majority in congress…lol…
deserving.
O’s heart is full of love for himself, no out going love, a constant motion of love of himself. Moo must be miserable living with him.
MO is so full of hatred she probably never notices. Look at her eyes….the window to the soul.
obama smoked pot and snorked coke….doesnt sound like a straight A kinda guy…..what makes most people turn to drugs….neglect during their formative years—especially from their parents…and I doubt obama was getting the love needed from his “typical white woman granny” ( pretty much how he saw her–as he repeated it not only in his book but on a radio show too)
obama cannot empathize–that is his biggest fault—that is why he is full of typical racist hypocritical rants—that’s how he found himself in wright’s church….wright’s hate justified obama’s hate…
this obama has major issues—and it’s really unfortunate for us to have him as a president.
NYgal, it just suddenly struck me that Øbama did get that love from both his mother and grandmother… but there was another influence at work.
Please hear me out on this one. Øbama was not abandoned by his father because his father was never a part of his family life. This was due to the fact that Ann discovered that Øbama sr. already had a wife.
Immediately after Ann gave birth she turned up in Washington State to do a course at Washington University. There is proof that she was not in Hawaii during the time that Øbama sr. finished his course.
I think that the major influence regarding these thoughts was in fact the hate-monger Frank Marshall Davis.
In the words of Ivannah to Brody and T.S.:
“Focus.”
Obama and his minions are the issue, the target, and yes the focus right now. And they’ve done enough damage we need all hands on deck to repel them.
If we want to have some sort of epilogue about Hillary, we do it *after* we’ve driven the Obots out of public life to snivel for a generation or two. And at that point it’s a discussion among friendly veterans.
First things first.
Focus.
Ooooohhhh….”And at that point it’s a discussion among friendly veterans.” that gave me chills.
Yes, you are exactly right.
I believe that the fall out of all of this ( “this” being the hopefully gun-less civil war being waged in our country currently)will be so different from what we see now, that Hillary vs. Sarah will be a discussion for nobody.
Kevin, thank you for your kind words re: Hillary and Sarah. Thank you for speaking up for all hard working, patriotic American women wherever they maybe. Reminder-Sarah Palin’s Alaska will be on TV starting Nov 14, it is so beautiful there. The clean freshness of AK v/s DC-which needs a deep cleaning and refreshing as only patriots can do.
http://tlc.discovery.com/videos/sarah-palins-alaska-sneak-peek-the-mama-bear.html
I have so many comments on this letter…I was blogging on Taylor Marsh’s site when she was a Hillary supporter. The majority of us were appalled at what the media and the party was doing to Hillary. At that time Taylor’s was a site that felt like a calm in the storm. It was the only democratic blog site that supported Hillary.
When the dem establishment stole the nomination from Hillary, Taylor stayed a loyal democrat first and supported Obama. Many of us left her site because we could not support Obama. We started blogging on BitterPoliticz. We were called all sorts of names from Obama supporters trying to troll on the site. First and foremost…we were called “bitter.”
When Gov Palin became Sen McCain’s running mate,it gave me a sick feeling only because I thought….here we go again…more listening to the media and the dems putting aside all boundaries and begin their all out attacks on another woman.
I remember reading Taylor’s site after Palin became McCain’s running mate and Taylor bashed Palin in the same way that Hillary was attacked by the media and appalled Taylor when Hillary was still running. I saw that as a double standard; much more so than the loyalty I felt in supporting a strong female candidate.
National defense is very important to me. Hillary was a hawk. Remember her comments about Iran…her vote on the Iranian National Gaurd?
I am also a firm believer in equal rights for everybody. On the flip side, I have never heard Gov Palin make one negative remark about Gays or Lesbians. If I remember correctly, I believe she mentioned she has close friends that are gay/lesbian. In fact, she seems less homophopic than our current president (who I think is).
This is what I learned in 2008…the democratic party does not like women. I guess when you come to think of it, it’s obvious in the fact that they support a “religion” whose core belief violates the human rights of women in that religion.
tsm,
I also believe equal rights are for everyone – each person has worth and equal value as a human being.
I don’t believe Dem statists have that same belief or respect for women, blacks, Latinos, gays, poor, or any other ‘group’ they have conjured. They have a false compassion for these folks. They strive to keep the groups divided and at war with each other so they remain dependent on and turning to a big/growning government.
I believe they only tolerate/pander to them for votes and will not allow them to attain positions of power [sans BO or a select few others if it advances their adjenda]. Witness how this current bunch treats them. A good example is this deal in Florida between Rubio[Latino], Meeks[black], and Christ[white]. The Dems are trying to co-opt the white guy to overtake the minorities, even if one of the minorities is of their own party and the white guy isn’t. Didn’t BO intercede in NY with the black governor or something?
I think their tactics will backfire with the Latinos, and now, maybe women.
A New York Times poll now says a majority of women will vote for republicans. This is in stark contrast to 2008.
I’m a PUMA who agrees with Kevin’s assessment that both of these exceptional women love their country, but IMHO Hillary is in a different league. She has an extraordinary time-tested breadth and depth of experience and intellect, no on-the-job-training required.
People forget that Hillary was the true populist during the 08 election. She received the most votes from actual people during the Primary, and she won the support of “lunch pail” citizens in states like West Virginia, Ohio, and don’t forget Massachusetts — despite the steady efforts to portray her as “divisive” and “shrill.”
The DNC took the nomination from Hillary and gave it to Obama. And Kevin is correct that the Donna Brazile contingent told the rest of us that we could go to hell because only blacks, hispanics and Harvard elites would be needed forever more.
Well good luck Donna. Although I’m still a registered Democrat, I will be voting a straightline Republican ticket next week because I am so sick of the Thug-in-Chief and all the Dems who jumped on his bus despite the fact that he had ZERO experience and wouldn’t proffer ANY documentation of his life or his work (no college records, no state senate records, no medical records, no birth records,nothing). (Don’t you just love the way the MSM wastes time on Christine O’Donnell’s comment in high school about witch-craft yet refused to ever ask Obama about his drug use, which his own book says far exceeded a little toke here or there….???).
As for Sarah Palin, I admire her greatly and know that she will have a long and remarkable career. And no woman — regardless of political persuasion — should be the target of misogyny. It’s most disturbing when the hatred comes from other women, as I witnessed from my liberal friends in 08 directed at Hillary, and in current times from the likes of Maureen Dowd and Joy Behar directed at Republican women.
Thanks, Kevin, for giving your voice to PUMAs. Even if we don’t agree on everything, we are united in the goal of replacing Obama with someone who loves her country above and beyond everything else.
TD @ http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com
Texas Darlin’,
Amen!
I would prefer Hillary to Obama any day, mainly because she doesn’t want to destroy the country and reshape it as Obama envisions. She is a hawk, it would appear–at least she is pragmatic–and I do think she probably loves America. I just can’t get over her slavish devotion to entitlement programs which break the budget and don’t forget, she did try to socialize healthcare. She’s better than Obama, though, by a mile.
Liberals love social programs…which is basically why they are called liberals. Republicans are more fiscally focused…hence the war between the two.
except that classical liberals do not believe in socialism.
I am a classical liberal, believing in the freedom of enterprise rather than govt. restrictions.
Well, a classical liberal (basically a libertarian in today’s language) is not at all like the modern definition of a liberal, and I don’t think people would confuse the two. They’re on opposite ends of the spectrum.
The fact that Hillary “admires” Margaret Sanger, a noted racist and eugenics advocate, is hard to forget. However, I agree that she will not go against Obowma in 2012. She will be labeled racist and the blacks will not vote for her. On the other hand, if by some unfortunate event President Dude is not in the 2012 race, she’s in BIG TIME.
Ok, OK. I get it! We can all work together! LOL!
Now if the Huffies at Huffpo don’t support Hillbuzz, then I will be thoroughly convinced!
They don’t.
That’s good enough for me!
Also the basturds over at Daily Kos and whatnot literally threatened their lives. Is that good enough for you?
We don’t read Puff-hoes. It gets crap on your screen that you can’t get off.
Puff-hoes,lol,i loved that.
Right on the money, Boyz. I am no great fan of the Clintons, but after having to live through the current regime, I would take Hillary over Obama any day of the week (if you’d told me five years ago that I would someday be wishing for a Hillary Clinton presidency, I’d have told you that you were insane. Don’t get me wrong – I want Sarah Palin in 2012 first and foremost).
I may not agree with Hillary’s positions on some things (okay, a LOT of things) but it’s like you said – the Clintons would not purposely send this country down the tubes the way Dr. Utopia has worked to do.
I appreciate your take on this situation, and I agree that Hilary loves America.
But what I don’t understand is why is Bill Clinton doing any and everything that the Obama camp wants him to do? Has he no loyalty to his wife (who stood by him!)? The way the DNC treated Hilary was appalling – if I was treated that way and a couple of years later my ‘loyal and devoted’ husband was shilling for that group, I would be in divorce court so quickly it would make their heads spin!
Because he’s a former democrat President, and would destroy the party if he didn’t.
Not saying I agree with him, just telling you why.
Bill isn’t doing what Obama wants — he’s stumping for a lot of folks who supported Hillary, and even in party politics there’s such a thing as loyalty, and even friendship.
Also, although I wish he wasn’t out there doing this, I imagine it does him and his ego good to know he is welcome almost anywhere, and Obama clearly isn’t.
Come to think of it, that’s a pretty solid slap in Obama’s face, which I dare say Hillary is entirely on board with. I wonder how many Dems out there whose careers are on the line right now are ruing the day they abandoned Hillary in 2008.
Bill Clinton is not necessarily doing what he appears to be doing. The man plays 10-dimensional political chess. He is not always successful at it (see the 2008 primaries), but look beneath the surface and you will see more there than initially meets the eye.
I think you’re giving him far too much credit.
Bill is *only* campaigning for those who supported Hillary’s bid.
I believe Bill would like to see the 1990′s version of the Democrat party back. As such is supporting 1990′s Democrats.He is NOT helping Obama.
No no no,what Bill is doing you call it Party before Country.
Good points, Kevin.
I think supporting Hillary and then Sarah Palin is quite natural. I care more about a candidate’s character and integrity than I do about party platforms and campaign rhetoric. Anybody can read some words off a teleprompter, but those who genuinely want to serve their country are rare. Both Hillary and Sarah have a servant’s heart, even if they might have different ideas about what this country needs. Regardless of the policy details, I can trust them both to always act in the best interests of the country.
I can’t say the same thing about President Obama, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, and many Republicans, too. Far too often politicians are self serving, addicted to their own power, and prepared to toss all their party platforms and campaign rhetoric out the window if it’s going to benefit them personally.
Do your homework on the woman. I’d say it’s quite possible HRC does not love America, at least not the way it is now; just like the annoited one. They both want to fundamentally change it, not enrich it. They both buy into all that multicultural BS, along with climate change. Please…. no, HRC is not the solution.
Kevin has been following HRC since Bill was gov of Arkansas, so it’s a bit insulting to tell him to do his homework. If you have specific, fact based criticisms, then raise them. But remember, the point here is not to advocate for or against Hillary. It is to unite to defeat Obama.
People can be so ridiculous sometimes. This is not a competition between Palin Derangement Syndrome and Hillary Derangement Syndrome. It’s also not a partisan competition where all Republicans are good people and all Democrats are evil or vice versa
I believe there can be good people who happen to be Democrats. And good people who happen to be Republicans. That is how we built this country. Today it seems like people are so addicted to their favorite brand or team colors that common sense goes right out the window.
Hillary loves her country and you better believe that not a day goes by that I am not grateful she is SOS. She is about the only grown up in this administration. If it weren’t for her and her dedication to America, we would currently being experiencing a foreign policy disaster much like the domestic one our president and congress has created here at home.
I have no intention of ever again voting for Hillary as long as she is part of the Dem party, but that does not mean that she is not an incredibly valuable leader.
I think YOU need to do YOUR homework…
I will add…where in any of this does it say that Hillary is the “solution” to anything? The boyz have said on MANY MANY occassions, that even Hillary cannot save the Democratic party now. They predict it will be decades before the Dems will be trusted again with high leadership positions.
Being a Goldwater/Reagan conservative with a strong libertarian streak in me, I will continue to oppose any politician who has shown leftist leanings. This will include HRC if/when she makes her move for the presidency. That being said, I’ve posted here today as your political opposition to tell you that in spite of our differences, I admire your principled and honest stand against the radicals who have acted to divide us and destroy our beloved Republic. We may disagree on everything about our country and it’s construct, but my hope is that we can agree on one thing. The preservation of Liberty for ourselves and our posterity is the ultimate goal of all Americans. We must stand united against the cult of the omnipotent state.
Hillbuzz will be on my list of daily wanderings through the internet and I look forward to future discussions with all of you.
Welcome =)
We don’t all have to agree about everything…being civil and having open debate without hatred is what we’re all about.
You have succinctly defined what has drawn us all to this board. Regardless of which side of the line you stood, you identify yourself first as an American.
Here, the tidy little boxes the Left designed to divide and alienate us from one another are gone. There is only one line drawn here. You’re either with us or you’re not.
We’re taking ‘em down.
Welcome aboard.
I must respectfully disagree. HRC may love America. Obama may love America. A Socialist can love America–but a socialist doesn’t believe inmerican values; they have European values (at best). And European values are death for Europe, and would be our death.
This has nothing to do with whether HRC is a good or decent person. Plenty of good and decent people–are clueless or blind, or incapable of realizing what makes for a good society; what makes America exceptional; and what will slowly or quickly destroy it.
Obama does not love America. Not even a little.
I think that you miss the point, especially about Øbama who does not love the USA.
I am a foreigner and I see that lack of love as clear as the nose on my face.
In 2008 the wrong choice was made… mostly because of the fraud that was perpetrated upon the electorate.
I do not know if HRC would make a good President. I do not support her at all. However, she would be a lot better than the Marxist-Fascist-Islamist who now occupies the White House.
Whilst it is true that in the first two years of his Presidency Slick Willy operated to the left, he also showed that he could move to the centre and he worked with Newt Gingrich to balance the budget.
Øbama is not capable of moving to the centre. Herein lies the real difference between all parties.
Ok – I think it boils down to this:
Some of us believe that character is more important than policy. Sarah Plain had the character to support LBGT individuals in Alaska because she knew it was right, not because she has a personal policy about supporting homosexuality.
Those conservatives that have come here and understand that can put their own differences with HRC aside. Those Hillary supporters who believe in character can put aside their differences with Sarah Palin’s policies.
Frankly, I am so sick of defending this to BOTH sides that I could spit! (Yes, we get just as much guff from moderates and democrats about supporting SP as we do from conservatives about HRC.)
But here’s the thing:
I have opened my eyes about who and what Hillary is on the political spectrum. That does not change my support of her as a human being one iota. It also does not mean I would vote for her. Or that I wouldn’t. It means she is an extraordinary woman that has withstood the slings and arrows she has an is still receiving, and still passes my personal test of a great human being. So did Mother Teresa; it doesn’t mean I wanted her as President. At this moment in time, I do not want Hillary Clinton as President. But I’d choose her in a heartbeat over Obama, Joe Biden, John McCain, Mitt Romney, Lindsey Graham, Olympia Snowe, and their ilk.
I would never vote for Hillary as president. That doesn’t mean it’s against the law not to hate her.
It’s only been the past 15 years or so that all this hate has come out and the far-left started it with all the Al Gore nonsense in 2000. The right and left were always at eachother’s throat but it did not dominate the news. People never even used to talk about which side they voted for. It became a slug fest when Al Gore lost and whined and cried like a baby. Nancy Pelosi on top of that made things ten times worse.
The most successful candidate is going to be the one who can appeal to both sides…and has the strength to calm everyone down. It will take power…not dominance.
IMHO, Obama has done the impossible. He has mobilized the disillusioned Dems and Conservative Americans to work together in a common cause. No matter what happens from here on in we will have accomplished a greater understanding of each other and will have worked TOGETHER to help restore our wonderful nation.
Sure, when another election comes around, we might retreat into our separate camps, but it will be harder for either side to demonize their opposition like has been going on for decades.
We have found out–with no help from the LSM–that we are more alike than we ever thought. The Propaganda that kept us at ‘war’ with each other won’t work.
For me, that is the great thing about this country. Working together. It also happens to scare the holy living cr*p out of career politicians. Why, if they can’t get us to hate each other, what else do they have? Not much.
Well said!
Absolutely! Together we are We The People and Tuesday we will live rent-free in their brains!
Thanks Kevin! Your post brought tears to my eyes. You express for so many of us how we feel but can’t always find the right words to express it.
Kevin,
That was the best rant I’ve heard about the two women I admire the most. BRAVO! BTW, your are right and said exactly what I believe too!
Kevin, agree 100% with your analysis. Excellent post. Thank you.
P.S. Folks, if you like what Kevin writes, why not “fill the tip jar” and send the boyz a few shekels.
Something we learned the very hard way in 2008, COUNTRY FIRST, PARTY SECOND.
I would sleep a lot better at night if Hillary or Sarah were at the helm. Obama is aiding and abetting terrorists and inviting them at full speed to open up shop here.
Kevin,
That was a heartfelt answer to those who wonder how anyone can love and support two women who are so politically different. The answer you gave came from the heart. These women love America with a passion to make it better for the next generation, and are proud of America’s “exceptionalism”(thanks, Sarah).
The next question people will be asking is: if both will run in 2012, who will get our support? I am going to cross that bridge when I get there. Right now, we are united for the good of America. That is a great feeling to savor.
gio60607, my dream is that Hillary and Sarah run together!!!
I had that fantasy for a while. It would work for sure….but …it would never work. I mostly just thought of it during the darkest of days when Obama was insulting us every second with a new scandal and the likes of Pelosi were walking across capital hill with a hammer. Bad, bad days.
I’ve been a long time lurker of HillBuzz for almost as long as the site has been around and find the only difference of opinion I have with the Boyz is their assessment of Hillary Clinton.
Hillary is on record calling herself a “proud progressive”. I find nothing within the progressive movement to be pro-America, pro-American exceptionalism, patriotic or of any value to this nation other then to those who would profit from her demise.
Hillary’s self-description as a proud-progressive combined with having first hand experience with the cancer upon this nation that progressivism is, makes it impossible for me to support Hillary in anyway. Yet understand, I would feel the same way about any person who is a progressive, I do not hold this view solely for Hillary Clinton.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vji48Hejgzg – Hillary Clinton on being a proud progressive.
With all that said I am very thankful the Hillbuzz guys and I, a self described “radical” conservative, can find so much more in common and in the end hold the same goals for the country we love. I also appreciate that this site, while promoting an opinion of Hillary I find wrong, never EVER pushes their readers to support her, or vote for her if she does decide to throw her hat into the ring in 2012.
Our mutual goal is to stop in its tracks the damage the far left and this horrific administration is doing to our nation – and to assure radical leftists never again gain so much concentrated power over America.
Our difference on Hillary take a backseat to saving this nation. If Hillary does run in 2012 I imagine there will be very passionate disagreements between Hillary supporters and those of us who do not support her. At least on here, I fully expect these disagreements to be based on policy, facts and issues, not vitriolic accusations and slanders against other users or Hillary Clinton. This is how politics should be discussed and hashed out by Americans.
Thanks for providing a great site boyz!
If you don’t like having vacations, personal sick leave and your social security…then you really don’t like progressives…if you don’t want your social security I’ll be more than happy to give you my address and you can mail me your check as I need the money…thanks!
your comment is BS.
You have not described “progressives” at all.
Please explain. I work for myself. So whatever vacations and sick leave I have are up to me. And social security — I pay dearly for that and don’t expect to see a dime in return. So, please explain to me what I have have to thank progressives for.
Yes yes exactly… I sure as hell don’t want social security, let me keep that money and waste or spend it the way I see fit. In return I promise not to demand that the government take care of me if I decide to retire without enough money (meaning… not retire unless I can afford it somehow).
I think she/he is a bit confused about what progressives are.
Tami Bell — you’re causing the trolls heads to explode. LOL
After reading many of the comments I think what might be happening is that if one looks only at what the
Dems did to Hillary in the 2008 election ALL of us conservatives feel sympathy…we know she
was “done wrong”.
However, if one looks at her policies which are progressive/socialist/marxist, we conservatives will strongly disagree.
Most of us do not adore Palin because
she has also been “done wrong”. We love Palin because her record of integrity and accomplishment is strong. Her commitment to the constitution, small government, strong defense, commonsense solutions, etc. is what draws us to her.
I do not read here that anyone loves
Hillary’s policies.
Give me a Republican with integrity over a corrupt Democrat any day.
Signed-
A Hillary Voter
Give me any politician with integrity, I’m not into labels, just integrity!
I have a question that I hope somebody will be able to answer. I realize that Governor is a title, but shouldn’t Secretary of State be also? I am a Sarah fan, but it looked wrong in the article that Kevin wrote to see Gov. Palin and Hillary used in the same sentence. Both women “worked hard for their titles” h/t to Sen Boxer!, so both women should use them. I seem to remember hearing Secretary Albright, but not Secretary Rice.
I call Dr. Rice – Dr. Rice. Never “Condee” – Dr. Rice.
I supported Hillary during the primaries, but voted for McCain/Palin. I have a lot of respect for Hillary, but Palin is the one I will support in any future election. Hillary chose being a good Democrat over the safety of our Country. No longer able to support her or Bill.
Personally, I don’t think she or Bill have been “good Democrats” in the way that you are suggesting.
http://www.hillaryis44.org/2010/10/18/rotten-ol-bill-clinton-travel-smart-hillary-clinton/
Who’s asking you to support Hillary?
I’m a lifelong republican/conservative/churchgoingBibleclingingChristian and have never thought I was being asked to “support Hillary.”
And, in return, I don’t ask the Boyz to hang Hillary in effigy and thus to “earn the right” be taken seriously with regard to their general political viewpoint. That sort of gets toward thought control.
They don’t require me to support her. I don’t require them to hate her.
Right you are, Emma! Restoring America to what the founders intended is what I am about. Once that task is completed, then I will tackle other issues.
“If Hillary Clinton was the monster she’s been maligned as, the Left would have had no reason to hamstring her presidential campaign and push Obama into the White House instead of her. Think long and hard about that.”
I’m so glad someone finally said this where someone else might listen. whoever is the “media darling” must be destroyed in ANY election.
So how much energy are we spending on Mrs. Clinton despite the fact that she is not currently running for office?
Would to God that every person who is in a tizzy over Hillbuzz’ equal support of Mrs. Clinton and Mrs. Palin would focus on the prize: Kicking Obama and his ilk out of office. Use the energy for that.
Again, if and when Mrs. Clinton runs for office again, there will be plenty of time for debate and discussion of her views and abilities. Right now, to this election, they are not relevant.
You got that right qr4j,Hillary is not running now,get over it and use your energy for this election.
Rush just said that he got an email from Mike Allen at Politico that says they are working on a story about how the GOP leadership is talking right now about coalescing around a single candidate in order to stop Palin.
These are the same people who supported Charle Crist. Enough said.
Least we forget how Sarah took on the “good old boys” in the oil business in Alaska and gave the money from that to the folks…Hillary would of done the same thing…let the people have the money. They are much alike! Only difference is one is a Methodist and one is a Penecostal…but who cares, I love them both. I voted for Sarah and her running mate in 08′ and will proudly do it again!
Palin didn’t “give” money from the oil companies to people in Alaska. She made sure that the oil companies paid a fair price for the right to develop Alaska’s natural resources, which belong to the people. She didn’t take anything and give it to anyone. She negotiated a fair contract on behalf of the people she represented. Get it straight.
I just love how folks scream about progressives until they have a car wreck or some unforseen accident and suddenly they want a disability check to survive…yeppers they change their mind real quick…LOL!
Progressives are the backbone of the middleclass…the frauds in office is not a progressive…he is a self server!
BTW…there is no disability or social security in China…when you get to old to work you better hope your one child loves you, otherwise your on the street.
In Asian culture you highly respect your elders…families live together…a nursing home does not exist in Japan or China for this reason. It would be unheard of.
Also, lol at the implication that Social Security will somehow be all you need to provide for you in your old age. I got news for you, your one child better still love you, even here.
Confloyd are you telling me you support progressives? How on earth can you say they are the backbone of the middle class? Progressives are SOCIALISTS. We have no support of progressives here.
If you have disability insurance, there is no problem – no government needed.
As for social security, I have been paying into it – no choice in the matter – since 1962. If I die tomorrow, I lose every cent. What kind of deal is that? You don’t even get death benefits any more if you have any life insurance of any kind. Even if you do qualify for death benefits, it is only $250. Enough to bury one finger, maybe.
Social Security and Medicare/Medicaid are going to be bankrupt…so don’t even worry about it for your retirement.
I think we should have Medicare/Medicaid for people with disabilities…that’s it. Families should stick together. This social security thing has become a slush fund for the politicians. Anybody who thinks they can retire comfortably on what the government gives you hasn’t been paying attention.
Uh, yeah, confloyd, that’s why we have long and short term disability insurance, that we pay for from my husband’s paycheck. So, no, I won’t be depending on the government if he gets disable, thankyouverymuch.
What happened to people in this country before social security? Seems like we got along okay for quite a while without it.
Don’t say such radical things.
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History begun on the day FDR signed social security into law. This is how it works.
Cripes. We’re getting lots of trolls who clearly don’t know who they’re dealing with.
Time for an internet tutorial. (Ignore the Prop. 19 ad at the beginning.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMEe7JqBgvg
Hmmmm…well just click on it and it will redirect to You Tube.
I don’t care who y’are, that’s funny right there! ROFL
Good. When I get old I want to rely on myself, my family, my savings, and my network of friends… not the money of all of you people that I took from you by force of law.
I wonder if it’s possible to get “disability insurance” for self-employed people… lol… I haven’t thought that far ahead yet, hopefully it won’t be a problem I will have!
Amen brother, got to say this resonates for certain. Although I’ve always been middle of the road where Hillary was concerned, I believe the Palin phenomenon is only going to get stronger and stronger and I, for one, would love to see women have a chance at running the best country in the world. Let’s make it happen!
Hillary, Sarah and Michelle Bachmann in the top three spots would be just fine with me.
Thank you, Kevin. I just started reading this blog because Rush talked about it on his show, and I thank you from the bottom of my heart for this post. Both Hillary and Sarah have both been unmercifully and unfairly trashed by the so-called mainstream media.
I do have one correction, however. You stated that “Obama’s supporters tossed the little American flags into the garbage…” The fact is, they didn’t even have the good manners to put them in the garbage can…they just left them on the ground for people to stomp on.
I don’t have much of a following on my blog yet (it’s pretty new) but I’m going mention this post on it. As many people as possible deserve to read this.
Thank you for this post. I appreciate your honesty and openness regarding the good qualities of both Hillary and Sarah.
The whole point of the piece was, to me, we can work together to save America, putting politics aside until the Country is stable again. What good does it do to fight over policy differences if the economy is trashed along with The Constitution. I have political differences with Hillary, but there is not one iota of doubt in my mind that she loves America above all else, as does Sarah. I don’t believe for a moment that either of these ladies would shove anything down the American People’s throat that they were strongly opposed to like Zippy did.
Kevin, an excellent post. Thank you!
I never liked Bill or Hillary, but thankfully didn’t catch derangement syndrome like friends of mine! I saw a new side to Hillary when she ran for President. And, maybe it’s sexist of me as a female to say this, but I found myself defending her solely because she was a woman and being attacked. I couldn’t believe that men showed up with signs at her rallies that said, ‘Go do laundry.’ It really raised my ire. She gained my respect during the 2008 campaign and if she will shift her policies to the center, then she could get my vote in the future. She needs to drop the Alinsky influence and be the person her parents raised her to be. Move away from the lefties, Hillary! I would LOVE a Clinton/Palin ticket!!
Wow! Just read this and all I can say is…
AMEN!
I think it all condenses to A)the left hates America and B) the left hates strong women who think for themselves. With Sarah and Hillary, they get both.
Clarification: I should have written “far left.”
I lived in Arkansas when Bill was Governor. I got to know quite a few people who knew them up close and personal. I even was in some social events with both of them and was privileged to meet both of them. However, could not support either of them after what I learned. What really killed it for me as far as Hillary is concerned was “Hillarycare”.
I appreciate work that Hillbuzz does for the conservative movement, but just can’t side with them where Hillary is concerned.
I do like Sarah, but I fear that she will be horribly brutalized if she decides to run for President. The media will do anything to destroy her.
I should have added that I was absolutely shocked and dismayed the treatment that Hillary received during the 2008 primaries. Something like that should NEVER, EVER happen again.