QUESTION: What is gay-face and is it real?
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We always like it when those of you out there chime in and let us know that a term we use is alien to you. We’re more than happy to clarify it, because here in Boystown we take for granted that you know what we’re talking about most of the time, even though a lot of our friends are go-go boys, drag queens, motorcycle-riding lesbians, circus people, failed sitcom stars, washed up musicians, and the like.
So, when we say someone like Lindsey Graham, Mark Kirk, Aaron Schock, or others have “gay-face”, we assume you know what we mean.
Here’s the Urban Dictionary’s (the very first place we always go when we don’t know a slang term someone is using) definition of “gay-face”:
We think gay-face (or gayface, depending on how you spell it), is nature’s way of warning observant women so that they don’t become Katie Holmes or Kelly Preston. We don’t think there’s a lesbian equivalent of this, but then again, we don’t know of many lesbians who try to trick straight men into marrying them, or who go around town with straight men pretending these are their boyfriends. In our experience, only gay men use beards, and we’re not talking the kind that qualify you for discounts at Touche or other leather bars.
Gay-face, we believe, is a guy’s soul betraying him through his eyes, mainly. He’s working so hard to fool the world, and in many cases is trying to keep his voice low in register, his hands from flipping about when he talks, all the while stifling the FABULOUSSSSSSS! that’s just bursting inside him, desperate to come out.
Gay-face is that pained look in a guy’s eyes that tells you he’d rather be talking about the Golden Girls or Buffy instead of pretending to enjoy whatever baseball game is on the television.
Gay-face is the betraying “something” just behind the eyes that says this guy would rather be having a St. Germaine on the rocks at Sidetrack in a tank top instead of attending whatever the heck function he’s stuck at over in the Cubby Bear, wearing a jacket and button-up shirt, pretending he’s a straight, confirmed-bachelor, Republican from Peoria.
Gay-face is so obvious to all of us, and to other gay guys in Boystown, that it’s second-nature to spot it. And, no, it’s not limited to just Republicans hiding in the closet like Graham, Kirk, and Schock. Rahm Emanuel has serious gay-face. So does the current “president”, Dr. Utopia. There’s a host of young male celebrities starting their careers in Gay-Face, following in the footsteps of older stars like Tom Cruise, John Travolta, Robin Williams, and Tab Hunter, Troy Donahue, Rock Hudson, James Dean, and others before that.
We can look at old sepia-toned photos from the Victorian era and detect Gay-Face. A lot of oil paintings from the days before photography have clear Gay-Face in them too. Perhaps Gay-Face is even present in tomb carvings and cave scribblings, for someone discerning enough to spot it.
As long as there have been gay dudes trying to pretend to be something they are not, and trying to trick people (especially women) into believing they are gung-ho, He-Men, heterosexuals there has probably been Gay-Face to even the odds and spare these women from heartache.
Some women, of course, choose to ignore the Gay-Face and marry these guys anyway (usually because they get some sort of a big pay day out of it, like becoming the First Lady of Florida…or the United States). Some, unbelievably, can’t even spot it, which tells us someone in the universe must hate them, because they end up as Ariana Huffington.
Can you spot Gay-Face, now that we’ve explained it?
Do you have any other good examples of this phenom?
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OK–So Matt McConaughey is bi but does not have gay face—I know, I knwo, I am trying to put a happy face of my own after you guys sank my dreamboat! I have been around gays a lot and I know gay face, but I sure missed it w/MM.
Not every guy has gay face.
McConaugHEYGIRL is so much of a stoner and is so comfortable in his own skin that he’s probably never given himself too much grief about who he is.
Gay-Face is a result of trying to hide who you are for so long…it’s the truth bleeding out through your eyes.
If a guy has never hid who he was, and has no internal demons he’s wrestling with, Gay-Face doesn’t take hold on him.
If he’s got no secrets, and never hid any secrets growing up, then he might never have Gay-Face.
Got it. Makes total sense. Thanks, you guys are the best.
McConaughey has one of the best movie lines ever, from “Dazed and Confused”: “High school girls, I get older, they stay the same age.”
Remember when the Austin, Texas police were called to McConaughey’s home a few years back (disturbance of the piece I guess) and the police reported he and another man were naked banging on the bongo drums?
McConaughey always seemed like a girl to me. Never thought he was attractive at all, he was way too pretty and has no sex appeal chemistry with his co-stars. He seems like a likeable fellow though.
well i think he is gorgeous but have seen only one or two movies with him but he did date Penelope Cruz who recently married a total NON gayface (a face only a mother could love actually) Javier Bardem. Mcconaughey just had a baby with his surfer girlfriend, and surfs so much i have to love him for that too–i wonder if his gorl knows she is a beard???
His girlfriend, like George Clooney’s girlfriend, speaks no English.
McConaugHEYGIRL speaks no Spanish….Clooney speaks no Italian. Those are the languages their girlfriends only speak.
Clooney was HILARIOUS at the Oscar’s this year. The girlfriend was about to be interviewed and Clooney cut the reporter off saying, “Don’t bother. She can’t understand you. She doesn’t know English”.
It was too funny.
How can these men be in relationships with women they can’t even talk to? Who are they fooling?
My issue is having kids with these women. It’s wrong. As for Clooney– I’ve read blogs about his wierdness. He’s always given me the creeps.
Did you see that picture at TMZ of George Clooney watching fireworks in Italy? 8 men, 3 women, one of which was Uma Thurman. His “girlfriend” and her girlfriend were the other two. What sexiest straight man alive wants to be with 7 other men? Not to mention the best – if you zoomed into the picture you could see that two of the men were holding hands! On top of that 2 days earlier they ran a couple photos of the “girlfriend” out on a boat with a couple of her girlfriends – seriously tatted up dykes. It is hilarious.
I need extensive training on this because I’m not getting it! ARGH! Maybe I just need to study the examples more.
Loved the article, though
I needed a smile.
You might be a woman doomed to ArianaHuffingtude.
If you can’t spot the gay-face, then you better watch out what guys you’re dating. If they take you to musicals or drink mixed drinks, you better start looking twice. If they wear pink while doing any of this, and smell better than you on a regular basis, sign the two of you up for a cooking or flower arranging class. If he gets excited and starts looking forward to it, downgrade him to “friend” status and move on with your life.
OH MY GOD! You are sooo fabulous! Are you single? just kidding…
I’m married, thankfully.
My rule is “Never date a guy who spends more time on fixing his hair than I do.”
LOL, I have considerably longer hair than the girl that I’m hoping to add friend to without any space in between. When we go to events, she does take longer to dress than me given that she tends to dress like your avatar, EZ, whereas I leave the suspenders on the pants at all times (buggers are a pain to get on) and I’ve gotten pretty good at buttoning a double-breasted waistcoat. If I wear my custom-designed (by me, am I gay?) Dark Garden waist cincher, it’s another minute. ;->
Me too!! And also “Never date a guy who is prettier than I am.”
And I have seen gay face a lot so I know what you mean. When I lived in Hollywood-and LA area I saw it a ton. And saw it definitely on a cop who had stopped a young guy and was making him take a sobriety test.
Wouldn’t “Liar Face” be a better discription then gayface?? You can looking into a persons eyes an see that something isn’t right. There is hidden conflict.
My gaydar functions poorly. Men I think are gay sometimes turn out to be from Europe and are as straight as European men can be.
There may be some confusion there between gay or metrosexual.
Metrosexual is just another way of saying “bi”.
Trust us on that.
Oh I thought it was just about guys who like nice duds and know about hair products.
I’m old school and don’t use words like ‘metrosexual’ but it speaks to the dating caveat “if a man spends more time in the bathroom than you do, raise an eyebrow’…
This also applies to shopping, getting dressed, and especially a focus on grooming/spas/products…
Thank you for the clarification on that term. I thought it was a wimpy, urban man that was barely hetero.
That’s exactly how my husband thinks!
And he’s as “retro” as it goes.
I’m not 100% convinced of the existence of bi, at least in men.
“Bi now, gay later,” we used to say…
Thanks for the clarification! I’ve always felt this but of course, many “metros” bend over backwards to deny that.
Also, from what I’ve read on a particular forum, isn’t the term “cane-face” used to describe lesbians?
Katie – I have had strong attractions to both men and women for my entire life. Bisexuality is just as real as homosexuality, even if you can’t quite conceive of that.
How about these faces from JournoList–my gaydar, however poor, goes off with most of these photos. What do you think?
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2010/07/the_unbearable_whiteness_of_be.html
Ummm I think but not sure that Holly Yeager is a girl–but looks like a girl who would have an Adams apple –a few of them do have gayface
Biggest LOL of the day so far. Thank you, FR.
Excellent, Boyz! It’s as if you can really read minds.
And, so proud of you to have this ‘in the can’ ready to go.
Off the top of my head, what do you think of Shep Smith of Fox News?
He’s always seemed a bit too precious to me, with his eye makeup and booming voice.
http://planetofthegrapes.com/wp-content/downloads/shepsmith.jpg
AAAAAAAAAAAAAACK! I thought it was going to be something in print, and so was “treated”, without warning, to Shep Smith in my face and only 18″ away. I’m going to have to go lie down and recover.
Sorry, Susan!
I guess I should have posted a warning… darn 20/20 hindsight!
I think the Boyz are providing a public service here, to all unsuspecting females.
Having spent years in the gay-dominated world of retail ‘visual presentation’ and ‘display’, my gaydar is pretty well-tuned, since my initial ‘baptism by fire’.
You’ve never seen a catfight until you’ve seen a couple of ‘window dressers’ doing Christmas decor, fighting over the last box of fairy lights (no pun intended).
LOL That is hilarious!
Settle down, Susan. It’s not like it was a great big pic of Helen Thomas (just to keep things in perspective).
I’d bet my gaydar gun on it.
If that’s not gayface, I don’t know what is!
That’s a “Helloooooo Sailor!” picture if I’ve ever seen one.
He is adorable, isn’t he?
So cute!
But now that you’ve asked, I think he’s not smiling and crinkling those eyes at girls.
Once, during the Katrina Hurricane ordeal, Shep, wearing a saucy pink polo, could’ve stood in for a Vegas showgirl. His eyes were electrifyingly blue, sparkly and expertly lined, his makeup flawless — the guy was drop-dead gorgeous. (Inm case anybody wonders, I’m not a SS fan.) Whatever it was — maybe the NOLA humidity or a new cameraman — definitely brought out the best in ol’ Shep during that broadcast.
Mark Levin calls him Shemp Smith, probably because he never watches the dumbass’ show, and he doesnt say it sarcastically. he truly does not say the name right and it cracks me up! It so puts Shemp in his place as the none-viewer choice of the network.
Shep and Geraldo are on that list for me.
‘Shemp Smith’!!!!!!!!! HI-LARIOUS!
Man…I LOVE Mark Levin!
I’ve always said it’s in the eyes, but honestly, some guys do not give it away no matter how good someone thinks their gaydar is.
As for Shep, who I don’t like very much, I have thought him gay from the first time that I layed eyes on him. I don’t find him attractive, either.
Is this the innate thing in their face that sets off the gaydar? If so, I understand what you’re telling us.
Shep Smith, yes he has gayface.
He’s an easy one. The eyeliner, sheesh! LOL
Shep Smith? Yep. Queer as a three-dollar bill. I bet he’d be demanding as a BF.
Bossy you say?
He’d be bitching that you didn’t arrage his socks in the drawer by color.
That is so GAAAYCIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Whoa! I swear I just had this conversation yesterday and was going to try to find out exactly what gay-face means!!! It was a picture of Prince William that prompted it … your thoughts?
William isn’t gay…but his uncle Edward is.
We’d love Prince Harry to be gay, but he’s not. A royal visit to Boystown by him would be better than when Jake Gyllenhaal comes to MiniBar.
Now I am thoro confused and I do have good gaydar but dont see gayface in Jake G. And Prince Harry is so ungay face it isnt funny. I LOVE harry BTW and he looks so macho in camo.
Thank you for the clarification – and I agree with you on Harry – I’d take him over William any day!
I agree…he is cute.
Just out of curiousity, why do you guys state it as an absolute fact that various celebrities involved with women are gay? Do you actually know them or something? And if they’ve had relationships with men in the past or are having them currently, how do you know they’re not bisexual?
Love you guys, but I think that although some of these guys may genuniely be gay, most of this is just speculation.
Born and raised in SF, have finely tuned gaydar. I think the eyes say, “deep inside, I know I’m pretty.”
So does Schock’s pink shirt and purple tie.
SERIOUSLY, don’t Republicans take him aside and say, “Lookit, Mary. If you don’t want people to know, cool it with the pastels. Wear your blue shirt with white collar, your red tie, your blue blazer, and stick to the program, Aaron baby. It worked for Larry Craig for all those years”.
Okay – there’s something I don’t understand. What’s with the “Mary” thing?
Mary is a common slang form of address between gays. There are a couple others, including, I think, all of the names of the Golden Girls.
Drink your juice, Shelby.
That’s what you say to a guy who still has a lot left in his drink, and it’s either time to move onto the next bar, or it’s time for another round and he’s behind. OR, he’s being an ass and you want him to shut up, so you say “Drink your juice, Shelby”.
If you know where this is from, you are ready to hit Boystown any day.
“Steel Magnolias.” You guys are killing me with this thread.
Damn, she got to it before me! Steel Magnolias! (Shelby having a hypoglycemia episode.)
”
What seperates us from animals is our ability to ahcessoRIZE…”
“I don’t trust anyone who does their own hair. I don’t think it’s natural.
Oh – and one of my faves: “these thighs haven’t gone out of the house without lycra on them sice I was 14″
I really need to watch that movie, again. I’m remembering, “Like two pigs fightin’ under a blanket!” and “I wear a 7-1/2, but an 8 is so comfortable that I buy an 8-1/2″ regarding shoes. I may be wrong with the sizes.
I’m upset by the color pink now being associated exclusively with gays. I remember long ago (the 1980s) when straight men wore pink Lacoste shirts without a lot of grief. But then the ban on pink gradually overcame any sense of freedom in a guy’s attire. (OK so the pink shirts on the guys I knew were bought by their girlfriends or wives, but still, they wore them unperturbed.) I did have one boss who deliberately wore a pink RL polo his wife bought him as an unspoken dare for anyone to call him gay.
instead of pretending to enjoy whatever baseball game is on the television.
Well they could always focus on the marvelous physiques of MLB pitchers. But then they might clap and yell at times inappropriate to what’s occurring on the field.
Those baseball uniforms are weird. They give all those guys “diaper butt”. They aren’t attractive on anyone.
Wake us up when its the World Gymnastics or Diving competitions or something.
Northwestern’s football team is also worth heading up to Evanston to watch. Love that white and purple.
I’d rather watch water polo, more going on above and below the waterline.
I suspect La Schock, if he had his life to do over again, would have wanted to be a fashion model — judging by that photo shoot he managed to squeeze into his busy schedule in D.C.
If he’s a bit of a dandy now, just think how far he’d go with it were he to come out.
He’s way too short to model. He might be 5’6″ at most.
Just the right height for dancing with Rhambo.
But…who LEADS?
LOL
I used to, but I’m so rusty at it from being married and out of the social scene for so long. So much inattention…
Still I think that I could probably get a 75% accuracy rating if I turned the darn thing on once in awhile.
LOL, having lived in S.F. for 17 years, not only do I have gaydar, I have transdar, and it worked like a charm in Boston 10 years ago when even my East Coast big city friends did the head jerk when a hot “chick” walked by. I didn’t blink and told them that it was a dude which after a long stare they confirmed. “How did you know that?” Living in S.F., it’s a survival mechanism.
Got that one too! I can also tell you that it starts at a very early age.
My daughter was three and I threw a huge babyshower for a friend. Over 40 women showed up and it was a massive crush of interacting women.
My husband had taken my daughter out to give us adult privacy during this event, but brought her home, just as things were wrapping up.
One of the guests was a friend of the celebrated mom, from work. Full on trans. My daughter came in, took one look at her and asked me on the side “Mommy, why is that guy dressed up like a girl?”
Three years old.
One thing to note, sometimes trans are easy to spot because they sometimes overdo the ‘female’ thing. Looking more perfectly stereotypical female than females…
But this one wasn’t overdone at all. I could see it but I was gobsmacked that my three year old picked up on it.
So maybe there is some sort of innate radar that isn’t just about environmental experience?
Interesting. I wonder if it’s “Gayface” that sets off a person’s “Gaydar?”
It is indeed.
ROFLOL @ HUFFINGTON (dee,dee,dee) LMAO!
These lessons are very important.
I can usually spot gayface. Not always, but usually. My social interactions are limited so I can get rusty.
After living in SF for nearly 30 years, spotting “gay face” has become instinctive to me. From the first time I saw “the president” I never doubted that he was a closet case with a camo family–that was an easy one!!
May I just be snarky for a moment and point out your screen name apropos this topic?
Awesome!
Isn’t Nelly a rap artist too?
It’s not so closeted in Chicago. Lots of gay buzz about the prez, including
about Donald Young, about whose murder Chicago police say “no suspects are in custody” — another way of saying “we’re not pursuing it”. Chicago blogs on the subject are active. The newspapers and other media are not. Shhhh, let’s all look the other way.
This can fester and fester and become a huge infection or can be lanced and all the pus and nastiness can be drained away from it, but not without lots of public pressure for full disclosure and a real investigation.
Sinclair may be trying to do the right thing. Why aren’t more people demanding the truth?
http://www.larrysinclair.com/
I’m horrible at spotting this phenomenon. I can still watch Prince of Persia and imagine that Jake is in love with the female lead.
Gayface is SO real.
I remember when I saw “JesusCamp” and I saw Ted Haggard and went to my boyfriend: “gayface.” Of course, it didn’t help matters that he kept saying “fabulous” a lot.
Then that whole Ted Haggard scandal happened.
It came so elegantly full-circle.
George W. Bush was ridiculed by the O-pressives for saying “fabulous” a lot. Any trace of gayface there?
We don’t see anything gay about Dubya. We’d tell you if we did. There’s nothing on our gaydar there.
But Jr. did love to tease the gay guys with his comments about Austin’s Last Splash, and such……
Didn’t think so. I never saw it, but some of the O-boyz had a field day with it.
Him? Nooooo way, not by a far shot.
I spot drag queens. OK, I attract drag queens— somewhere between teaching dance and making costumes, we become best buddies.
What kind of dance do you teach? Oddly, in the 19th c. period dance scene in the S.F. Bay Area, I can’t really think of any guys that have gay-face offhand. There is a full blown, post-op, tranny in Santa Cruz, but that’s different. Considerable amount of lesbian couples, mostly younger actually. Usu, one’s non-descript and the other’s femme. The butch ones don’t do 19th c. ballroom dancing.
I also believe in “gaylashes.” Eyelashes are always a big indicator to me; I dunno why.
The only one I am concerend about is Grahamnesty since he is my senator. That is a gayface, gaysmile for sure. Saw that the NY times asked him if he was gay.
I think a constituent thought he was selling out conservatives because he might be getting blackmailed. There was some talk, “Please tell Graham we already know, so he can go back to voting conservative again.” South Carolina’s gaydar goes off with Graham and they put him in office four times. Now our “sellout-dar” has gone off and he won’t get a fifth. And he watched Bob Inglis go down in a humiliating rout in the primaries.
And McCain is spending $10M on his primary!!
Would this be the case with Governor Crist also?
HELL, yes, Doc!
HillBuzz has had TONS of fun at Orange Charlie’s expense.
Stick around…you’ll find it very enlightening.
Reading this, I’ve realised that I have almost no gaydar. (Well, Graham and Shep Smith, but sheesh, I have eyes.) I neve even suspected Lance Bass.
‘NSync was almost all gay. Lance, Justin, JC. There were two other guys in that band too: the FatOne and then the OldOne. We don’t know their real names.
Panda once saw Justin in the steamroom at a hotel in Manilla, Philippines doing all sorts of things he wouldn’t be able to get away with on MTV.
Sometimes, it’s funny to think about all the young girls these guys fool…but then, it’s crushingly sad. Girls love the nonthreatening boys, though. Too bad the nonthreatening boys love each other more.
That is so true. Hubby has asked me a few times what it is with girls and gay guys. I got nothing other than it’s like having a best girlfriend who happens to be a boy. We want it all.
kinda has lesbian overtones don’t you think? – a girl-like pretty boy as a close, close friend….
Justin as in Timberlake? Because he dates the hottest girls like Jessica Biel. I hope it is another Justin.
Leo DiCaprio “dated” Giselle the supermodel…while Leo lived with “best bud” Lucas Haas for like five years.
Rock Hudson lived with his “best bud” too, while dating all sorts of hot girls.
Do you know how in bad movies where a space alien dresses up like a human, and fools most people…but some people can see through the disguise?
That’s how this stuff is for us.
Jessica Biel is not hot. Seriously, she could play Steven Tyler when they get around to making an Aerosmith biopic.
Poor Leo…he has as much sex appeal as Arch Hall Jr.
http://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=navclient&gfns=1&q=Arch+Hall+Jr.
Lucas Haas definitely has gayface. I also suspect Ryan Philippe.
Can I also add Arsenio Hall and maybe his good good friend Eddy Murphy?
“Girls love the nonthreatening boys…” – I wish that were true! I’m totally straight but as nonthreatening as can be. That being the case, a lot of girls took me for gay and steered clear of me.
I think there are a lot of exceptions to the quoted rule among girls. A lot of girls seem to like the aggressive types especially when they’re threatening.
It’s the Alpha male thingie most women look for…
Reminds me of the old joke about why can’t a woman find a good man? He already has a boyfriend…
WHAT is that avatar?
OC – Looks like the back of a girl in a ballet tutu.
That’s what it is…a south going girl in a tutu
Wasn’t NSync formed by that gay Florida record industry fat cat (not Crist) whom Vanity Fair magazine did a big expose on a couple years ago?
I remember the article claimed that at least one boy in each of the boy bands he formed had to be sort of the sacrificial lamb to his sexual advances and exploitation.
Maybe it’s Nature’s way of saying “it’s better that way for all concerned”.
i would like to add that team obama must have known about this phenomena and photoshopped the sh!t out of his eyes! look how matte black they are compared to the rest of the pic!
and I like that you guys are so ON today!
Do you mean the giveaway is the irises? I thought they meant it was the expression around the eyes.
Interesting write-up. I’d always described it as a soft, dreamy-eyed look. Never thought about it being the result of an inner struggle to be someone they are not. Sad to think that.
So does it fade if they come out? I wonder because it’s not something I’ve noticed in openly gay men, but then there are other obvious “tells” that make gay-face less of a factor (NO, I don’t mean stereotypical limp-wristed, swishing either).
not necessarily–I worked with several guys who were in the closet at work–had to be at that time, but most of the other women in the office knew they were gay. Looking back, I guess it was the “gay face” they put on while at work. We gals knew they were gay, but somehow management didn’t!! LOL. . .
It does NOT fade when you come out. Your face has muscle memory. After you’ve spent 20+ years or more trying to fake being straight, and trying to mask any “tells” that you have naturally, you just don’t have the ability to suddenly drop all those defense mechanisms.
You are stuck that way, stuck making the same gayface, stuck pretending even when you’re not pretending anymore.
Gay face used to be known as
“bright eyed and bushy tailed” – no pun intended there!
“Excited and attentive. Reffering to squirrels.”
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bright%20eyed%20and%20bushy%20tailed
I’ve always seriously thought gayface (the dash doesn’t make grammatical sense) was actually a phenotype resulting from whatever biological factors make a guy gay. I can’t describe, anatomically, what gayface is, but like hardcore pornography, I know it when I see it. Yeah, Graham is gay — and it ain’t the face, or rather, his face — it’s Davis’ face. (Now, if I’m putting a famous, long-dead actress’s photo in my photos, it’s Merle Oberon or Audrey Hepburn.)
Bingo!
According to the Economist, in a story called “Gender bending
Genes that make some people gay make their brothers and sisters fecund”, Brendan Zietsch of the Queensland Institute of Medical Research in Brisbane, Australia, and his colleagues have figured it out.
It explains me too: I set peoples gaydar off, but I don’t like men (well, drag queens a little, maybe, in a pinch), but I love tall women with big jaws and athletic bodies, and I love making babies with my wife.
I wonder if there is something like a beardface? Women who marry guys who have gayface, and make lots of babies?
You guys didn’t realize you were doing science here did you?
Hilarious!!!
Very interesting, Paulie.
Years ago I was introduced to a good friend’s brother-in-law, who seemed just ‘flaming’…I mean ‘La Cage aux Folles’ flaming!
I shot my friend a ‘look’ as if to ask, “WTF? This guy is screwing your SISTER? Pul-leeeeze!”
Well, it turns out he is, in fact, straight as an arrow. They now have three kids (not that that means anything) but sis says he’s a tiger in the sack.
So…beardface? I dunno about that.
I love reading the tags you post with your articles. “Shirtless werewolves” Hee.
Back in the ’70s there was a characteristic Butch-face: tight lips slightly pulled down at the corners, eyebrows habitually raised, eyelids habitually dropped. When talking, expose the lower teeth more than the upper.
I think it’s smoothed out in later years, lost its precision.
How about that fatuous cretin Albert Gore, Jr.?
Al Gore should be dating Ms. Lindsey. They are both southern and wimpy as hell. Only God knows who’d be driving that truck.
Jeez, I think THAT is called “gagface.”
‘gagface’ – perfect!!
LOL Love.It.
Okay – “professional” opinion needed. My new favorite DVD is the 2008 version of “Sense and Sensibility” by the BBC. What puts a crimp in it for me is the actor who plays Willoughby, Dominic Cooper,who IMDB says is dating Amanda Seyfried (Mama Mia, Big Love)
Now any Austin fans know that Willoughby is the Scott Brown of Austin’s characters. But when I saw Cooper as Willoughby my first thought was “gay-face”. So when I read this post I was literally ROFL.
Here’s Dominic Cooper – opinions?
http://www.imdb.com/media/rm4143814400/nm1002641
We think he’s just funny-looking.
There’s something wrong with his eyes. Like he’s part insect somehow.
Is that possible?
Maybe an insect-like alien from “Men in Black”?
I dunno about gay face, but he does appear to have just come off a three day bender.
Why does this actor have crows feet around his eyes when he is only 32? That’s odd. Smokes a lot?
He looks like he just ate something he didn’t like – strange way to hold one’s mouth.
Willoughby is not the Scott Brown of Austen’s characters. Willoughby is more like Lindsay Graham.
Willoughby is a cad, but he is hawt. Marianne was totally hot for him. Marianne wouldn’t be attracted to a Lindsey type Willoughby. And how else would Willoughby be able to find an heiress to marry so quickly after his aunt cast him out? He had “nothing to recommend him” other than his looks.
Dear HillBuzz:
I have NO gay-dar, which is OK — I guessed correctly and married a great man, and now have a wonderful family. However, I will do this exercise, as it seems we cannot trust the elite media to provide us the full information on anyone.
Hilarious!
OMG, this has to be one of the most humorous articles The Boyz have written–and that’s saying something given The Boyz’ ability to entertain (and educate).
I have never thought of Trent Lott as a closet case. Never. I don’t see gay-face on him. The rest, however, I see where you are coming from.
Okay, I know some are going to wonder what sort of guy I am by saying this, but there is something about Mark Kirk I find exceedingly sexy. I have met him. He’s somewhat short (which I did not expect). My other half is a short guy. (Perhaps that explains it.) And maybe it is the military thing combined with his graying hair. I don’t know what it is, but I love seeing that man in a navy suit, white shirt, and red tie. I bet he’d good in red swim trunks, too.
Sorry . . . I suppose there’s no accounting for taste.
Ms. Lindsey, on other hand, does nothing for me. I’ve seen mops and brooms with more sex appeal.
I think it’s probably the whole man-in-uniform thing with Kirk. Put any guy in a uniform in and it adds 20 points to their attractiveness score.
A-MEN!!!!
Why’s Kirk lying about the details of his military service?
I was curious about Trent Lott as well. Isn’t he always sporting a Hamilton style tan? Is that a giveway, I don’t know?
Graham is so obvious that even one with a rudimentary level of gaydar would know.
The Boyz have stated that Lott had a predilection for young male interns. Retch!!! That would explain his stupid votes–Dems had him by the short hairs
Not interns. Rentboys. See Perez Hilton’s coverage of that.
“We think gay-face (or gayface, depending on how you spell it), is nature’s way of warning observant women so that they don’t become Katie Holmes or Kelly Preston.”
Yeah, but there’s a problem with that — gayface is effing HOT. :-/
Maybe gay men make better daddies….
Okay . . . here’s one for The Boyz to answer on the other side of the aisle (i.e., Lesbianaland). There’s always been something about Judy Baar Topinka that said “gay” to me.
For those outside Illinois, Judy Baar Topinka is the former State Treasurer who ran for Governor against Blago in 2006 (and lost, of course). She is now running for State Comtroller.
Judy has, self-admittedly, red hair the color of a British telephone booth. Her voice says she’s smoked too many Marlboro Lites. And she’s known to stretch a dollar. By-the-way, she plays the accordian and dances the polka.
Judy Baar Topinka is to me what Hillary Clinton is to The Boyz. I’ll love her forever.
comptroller
At least you recognized that it has an “m”, not an “n”.
Is she big on pot-luck suppers too?
I don’t know about pot luck suppers. She’s a very down-to-earth, no nonsense woman. It is that image that many Illinoisans like, especially because, with Judy, they believe it is real. Well, I believe it is real.
She is quite the good sport! She takes such ribbing for her voice and persona and she just laughs right along.
Livin’ in IL where JBT is the perpetual candidate, we’re always startled when we hear her speak. I think she’s just a consummate politician, tough as nails, in a very tough politicial cesspot. Never gave a thought to her preference but it’s an interesting question.
Obama keeps doing that thing where he closes his eyes and sports a very wide satisfied smile and gayface. It’s really annoying.
http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gen/2538/thumbs/s-TRENT-large.jpg
yes Lott has gay face
Haven’t yet scrolled through the comments, but yeah, gay-face . . . that term is new to me. But I can sometimes tell if someone is gay even if it’s not obvious.
I think it’s eye contact. Straight men don’t have great eye contact. Women will misinterpret this as him being interested in her. Straight men just feel uneasy, and probably rightly interpret it as interest.
The Eyes have it!
Seriously.
It is well researched and well known that when humans see something they like, their pupils dilate. They also look longer.
In male on male “cruising” it is that just a second or two too long of a meeting of eyes that is the give away.
A straight man will not look at the eyes, and will quickly look away if accidentally locking eyes with another man.
Well, that’s pretty depressing. So there’s a whole group of men being evaluated and judged by another group of men as to “what they are” with actual personal knowledge or confirmation being considered unnecessary.
http://education.yahoo.com/reference/dictionary/entry/insight
Gayface! THANK YOU, HILLBUZZ! I didn’t know how to put words to it, but my best friend from elementary thru high school had it. He always had girlfriends, but never hung out with them. He spent more time with me; we did a lot of shopping and community theater together.
The last day of our senior year, he ‘came out’ to me, all afraid his news would change our friendship. My response: “Sweetheart, I’ve known since we were 12.” He asked me how I knew, and I said, “you introduced me to your mother as your personal fashion consultant.” We had a good laugh over that. It’s true; Gayface is real.
Hmmmm – I’m just wondering, Trent Lott, Ms. Lindsey, could there also be the additional problem that aging Southern politicians turn into gay-faces? Check out Robert Byrd (RIP).
Now that’s a whole other (different) interesting subject line!!
So when will the Journ-o-list e-mails be released that discuss Obama’s sexuality? I must admit that I have never seen a “gayface” on him, but a whole lot of other things certainly are “tells”.
This HAS to have been discussed by folks in the MSM and the left-wing blogosphere – and they had to agree to hush it up. And what about the rumors about HRC being a lesbian? Are those also true? And if so, could THAT be what is keeping her from rocking the boat with Sir Golfsalot?
I mean, I really don’t know. But if a politician keeps these things hidden and that allows others with influence to pressure them to vote one way or another, that puts our very Republic at significant risk. I DON’T LIKE OUR COUNTRY BEING HELD HOSTAGE TO POLITICIANS’ PERSONAL SECRETS.
I am convinced that is why Lindsey Graham voted to let both Sotomayor and Kagan get past the Senate Judiciary Committee. It could be argued that his fear of being “outed” has potentially put this country – and indeed, Constitutional justice – in jeopardy for a VERY long time. That’s extraordinarily selfish, and just plain wrong.
See Tucker on Journolist.
So while it might be amusing to air threads theorizing about the personal and sexual shortcomings of various New Republic staffers, we’ve decided to pull back.
Wow. I used to think my gaydar sucked, but now I see that every man you have listed, who is considered attractive by the masses, just turned me off and I couldn’t figure out why.
Rock Hudson was a beautiful man. I love his movies with Doris Day, but I never had the typical school girl crush on him. I see now that something in me was picking up on the vibes.
As for lesbian face, it depends on the lesbian. The media loves to portray them as very feminine-you-could-never guess, but every lesbian that I have known has been very “butch” in appearance and mannerisms, although they may have been very maternal in temperament.
I recently re-watched some old episodes of the 70s show, “McMillan and Wife,” which I used to love…back in the days when Rock Hudson was a romantic lead. I have to admit, it just wasn’t the same this time around.
W-a-y back in the day, movie magazines ran endless photo spreads about longtime roommates Cary Grant and Randolph Scott. Invariably the stories centered around the “fun-loving bachelors” (who shared a house for like 12 years) by the pool, Cary wearing white trunks, Randy sporting dark. The stories always pointed out that the two men were known around Hollywood for hosting rollicking “poker and swim parties,” that all of the young hunks like Rock and Tab wrangled invitations to. I may have been a 10-year-old kid reading Photoplay at the beauty shop, but even I knew something didn’t sound quite right. Regardless, gay or straight, Cary G. was just. plain. yummy.
I think Cary Grant was bisexual – not gay or straight.
Hee, Randolph Scott always reminds me of that line in “Blazing Saddles”. “You’d do it for Randolph Scott!” “RANDOLPH SCOTT!”
There is also the case of a naturally gay facial structure that has nothing to do with facial expressions, like say a David Gest.
Hence the gayface phenotype.
In David Gest’s case, who knows what his facial structure would look like?
He’s had so much bad plastic surgery, he could be Michael Jackson and Joan Rivers’ love child. (Excuse me while I throw up into this wastebasket…..)
And, speaking of Gest, what is up with women like Liza Minnelli who repeatedly marry gay men? Peter Allen? C’MON!
Is it for the shopping? Fashion advice? What?
Would they just rather cuddle than shag?
I don’t get it.
Maybe we should Google Bomb Gayface Lindsey Graham…I bet that would set his hair on fire!
My gaydar is pretty accurate. There seems to be a “resemblance” between Ms Davis and Ms Graham…anyone else notice that?
That was the first thing I looked for but I think Davis is far cuter than Graham. Though perhaps with a makeover, Graham could pass if the camera were filtered and the light were very soft.
Or as it’s called, “Vaseline on the lens, shot thru cement.”
L O V E this blog. Thank you all. xoxo
Carl Cameron…People were saying Shep Smith had gayface and they are picking on Carl today and trying to set him up. Both get targeted on a regular basis as too liberal. Hmmmm.
Oh please! Carl Cameron–he looks straight in the eye i do not get a gay face from him at all–really?? I do get a gayface from Anderson Cooper tho and Keith Olbermann has the histrionics of gayface –he was just a bit too comfy with Perez Hilton when theyw ere attacking Carrie Prejean out of jealousy because they can never be gorgeous and adored by men like she is.
Anderson Cooper is gay. Keith Olbermann is a pod people.
Just wanted to say “Thanks Hillbuzz” This has been Fun Friday. Love this thread and the one pairing the pols with dead silver screen stars.
I feel like we all should be discussing this at the local bar. I’ll take a Capt & Diet.
I am also one of those with no gaydar (unless you are over the top obvious). I met a gay friend for dinner one night, and he spotted someone at another table and said … that guy is gay. Asked him how he knew … and basically he referred to his own gaydar. He tried, really he did, to help me get it… I’m still oblivious! But he’ll be glad to know my education continues!
You and me, both! One of my friends in high school, in retrospect, had to be. Maybe I’m better at it than I used to be. He was massively flaming, now that I think about it. I don’t like to assume, I think, is part of the reason that I have trouble with it. Are there any effeminate men out there that aren’t? Just wondering. My husband quilts and wears pink shirts… heh Course I buy them for him, though.
Trent Lott? Really? But I see it here, despite the girlfriend: http://web.icenetwork.com/images/2008/09/29/vyAntrTt.jpg
janegait, when your 12-year-old son tells you he wants ice skates … then wears one-piece Spandex to the rink … figure he’ll be ice dancing in the Winter Olympics long before he vies for the Stanley Cup.
I lived in the gay area of Philadelphia back in the early 70′s when scads of guys were coming out in a big way and I thought I could spot gayface a mile away. But Robin Williams totally got by me. Is he? Really? I just thought it was all the coke. Guess I should have paid more attention to Mrs. Doubtfire.
I was told that Orrin Hatch has gayface. The liberal gays who stated this also called Hatch gay not family. Thoughts?
I once dated a guy whose gaydar was always on. We went to the mall (only once, thank God) and he’d point at a man and make his pronouncement. “Gay.” “Gay but he doesn’t know it.” “Gay but he’s in the closet.” I always wondered about him…
I can see why!!!
And oh yeah, my husband has been swearing for years that Robin Williams is gay and I always said, “No way!” … until you guys said it! (Don’t tell him I said that!)
AH HA! So that is why my ex son-in-law left my daughter…He has GAYFACE!!!
Should I warn his new fiance?? LOL!
Love you guyz!
If this is truly the physical manifestation of horrible inner conflict, I guess I feel bad for these guys. Is there a reason I shouldn’t?
I do too. How awful to lead a double life like that!
This has been an interesting discussion. Some of the guys you mentioned strike me as “Duh, how obvious” others register as “really, are you sure?”
Can a guy be a pretty-boy without being gay? We just watched “17 Again” last night which features Zac Efron, Sterling Knight, and Thomas Lennon. The two younger guys are just huggably cute, but does that mean they’re gay? What about Thomas Lennon? He played the obviously gay Lt Jim Dangle on ‘Reno 911′. Is the look real, or is he a good actor?
And I agree with some of the comments above that sometimes a “hot” actor just leaves me with an “ick” feeling aka Mr. Mapother or Mr. American Idol Host.
Please tell me it’s still safe to ogle Dwayne “The Rock” Johnson!
You guys are hilarious! Given that I’m relatively young and I have been around this Internet thing for a “minute”, I guess I see things differently. I’m still amazed by how “shocked” people are, even in 2010, when it is pointed out that certain celebs are gay. Again, it must because I have read about these “rumors” for years on the Net.
Hey Boyz or anyone else, do you remember that “A-list” website that was “talked” about in the early part of the decade? That site was classic.
Does it ever happen that you guys are wrong about gayface? I think I can tell it pretty accurately, but honestly in Zero I just don’t see it. At least not in this photo.
This…is not an article I expected to read today.
What about Jerry O’Connell, the actor who is married to Rebecca Romijn? There is a photo of him in this week’s People mag, where he is wearing black eyeliner. And Rebecca is hanging onto his arm. Hello, earth to Rebecca?!!
Yeah, but if black eyeliner alone was a tip off, every male entertainer from the 80′s would be gay.
RE: GAYFACE–my bro in law who has no gaydar at all was crushed to hear about Cary Grant and his roommate—-he is sweet and innocent of all that and loves old movies and thought Cary Grant was the man. Personally wasnt Cary G bi? I mean he married and has a kid and he does not have gayface at all—so I guess he was comfortable with who we was–but my gaydar which is pretty good never saw it with Cary G, only by knowing of his roommate thing…
Yeah, I’m pretty sure Cary Grant was bisexual. So was Montgomery Clift.
Cary Grant was not gay
Knowing whether a guy was gay has to do with the eyes mainly ( ” the eyes are the window to the soul ” ) and Cary Grant didn’t have those eyes
And I think I also have a transdar too
Transexuals are easy to spot no matter how much they try to disguise themselves
Sorry I meant knowing whether a guy is gay
The hardest ones for me to tell are always lesbians it seems
” but then there are other obvious “tells” that make gay-face less of a factor (NO, I don’t mean stereotypical limp-wristed, swishing either). ”
I agree… gay dudes tend to really like the male physique and the male form for example (that’s an obvious tell besides the eyes)
I recount that a few (brainwashed, lying) gay activists told me that ”Oh the pederasty was ‘heterosexual’ ” and I just bursted out laughing because the closer to the male form (man or boy) the better and that’s what the pederasty was about
It doesn’t matter if you put earings and lipstick on a pig… it’s still a pig
I once talked to four guys whom said that they were straight BUT (and catch this) they loved really skinny or rectangulish women (almost boyish in form), only dated women (yes women) below 110 pounds and ”the less curves the better” (plus with the hair cut short)
I was like they have to be joking? Turns out three of them came out as gay and the fourth one moved on to a more slender form of the female form (think Uma Thurman whom’s skinny yet womanly or slender womanly Asian females)
Oh and another thing…
While some straight dudes are kinda narcissist (”I love myself”) nothing and I mean nothing can match the narcissism of a gay dude
It’s true that sometimes their eyes say “deep inside, I know I’m pretty.”
Last but not least I do tend to agree that male bissexuality does not exist (or at least hard to find) due to the fact that male homosexuality (due to the lack of female energy as many say) is rigid as heck