Question: Do you know of any small businesses that are now going to cut staff to avoid the Rationing Bill's penalties?
Here in Boystown, we have a lot of friends who work in the bars and restaurants on and around Halsted.
Most of these small businesses have around, or just over, 50 or so employees. Only one of them currently offers healthcare to its employees — Sidetracks, which has about 65 people on staff.
The other businesses, we’ve been told, are going to start layoffs to get their staffs down to under 50 so that they don’t incur the penalties specified in the Rationing Bill.
Outside of Boystown, we also know a few printing shops, distributors, and construction companies that are also going to cut staff to avoid new taxes and fees.
Are you hearing anecdotes like this where you live?
We’re interested in seeing just how many people are going to lose their jobs — or not find future jobs because small businesses stop hiring — as a result of what Leftists did on Sunday.
Can you give us any information you are hearing?
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Yes, I talked to a friend yesterday.. Her husband actually employees half American’s, half hispanics.. When he had to change his insurance, for them to GET insurance, he asked the Mexicans to buy into it, they told him NO, they get health care for free. So he has to pay 90% of the non-Mexican’s healthcare.. I told my friend, when it’s time to fire, they are the first to go.
Good deal..
good!
I don’t know about all that, but after the election we layed off 7 guys that supported Nobama. I figure we will limiting our rigs staffs for a while.
If there have to be layoffs, it is entirely proper that Obama voters be at the head of the line.
Heh. Certainly “just desserts,” but beware of legal actions.
I love to hear about firings of Obama voters.
Me too !
Hope and change eh?
They weren’t fired BECAUSE they voted for him, were they? Cuz that’s, uh…illegal.
Even if they are wee-wee’d up idjits.
Not in all states.
In Indiana….. you can be fired because they didnt like you had froot loops for breakfast.
I think its called right to work state??? something like that.
“At Will Employment” — thats what we have here in WV.
“Right to work” is about the Unions. The right to NOT join a Union, to be exact. Sadly, we don’t have that here.
AT WILL… you are right..
Thats it!
I am not sure how many states are like that.
It’s illegal under Federal law, & under every state’s law with which I’m familiar, to take retribution against an employee based on their party affiliation or voting history.
Under at-will employment, you can terminate an employee for any non-discriminatory reason, but not so you can eliminate the Republicans from your workplace, for example.
I’m hearing about a few places and I’m worried about my own job. I work for a medical transcription company. I’ve spent 22 years of my life working toward being able to work at home and now this. I’m not sure what is going to happen…neither does the owner of the company I work for.
Get into medical billing. Medical transcription is being replaced by new software programs.
No…the voice recognition software is a bust. Most of the hospitals are switching back. I know both.
But even medical billing may be on the way out. EMR (electronic medical records) will be up and running by 2014. This puts many billers’ jobs at risk.
EMR has nothing to do with billing. It’s just a way to maintain patients’ records.
Are you sure? When DH comes home, I’ll ask him about it, but he said once our EMR system is up and running, he and the nurse will be coding and there will be no need for our biller. (I could be completely wrong – I just do his accounts payable).
Neither MT nor MB will be able to be done by machines anytime in the near future. As powerful as computers are today, and as good as voice recognition software has become, MT and MB must be performed by human beings.
In addition, both of these fields are expected to keep growing, with or without Obamacare, even in a depressed economy.
Of course, if the country goes bankrupt, all bets are off.
I watched a video of you guys…HB….talking about what happened to Hillary during the primaries with Obama. I can’t remember where I saw that. You probably posted it here. You should post it again, HB, so the new folks can see it. It’s startling.
Yes, please re-post it for us.
We have to educate the new comers on the long long long crime wave of the “new Dimocrapic Party!”
Off topic but relevant. Constitutional discussions by attorneys.
http://volokh.com/2010/03/22/is-the-tax-power-infinite/
It is eminently within the authority of We the People to act politically on our constitutional beliefs that the congressional power to regulate interstate commerce does not extend to forcing people to buy a product which Congress has forbidden to be sold across state lines
So what you’re saying is that voters have the authority to vote out representatives who, in their opinion, have acted unconstitutionally. Has anyone ever questioned that, or is this just meaningless rhetorical posturing?
also,,
http://legalinsurrection.blogspot.com/
Caterpillar has previously announced that the passage of the bill will lead to staff reductions.
By a BUNCH!!
Cat said this will cost them
100 MILLION in one year.
Hard for them to grow and hire with that.
They are not small business but Saks Fifth here in Portland OR is closing next month…and i dont think its because of obamacare either but mainly the economy. My husband is a surgeon in town and they will no longer accept medicare patients.Their office doesnt employ a lot of people so i hope everyone still get to keep their jobs.
And that’s another thing that this bill will do: Doctor’s will turn away old people because Medicare doesn’t pay enough.
Obama’s plan to get rid of those old people who vote Republican.
I hope your husband can stay in business, Mary.
Hope so too Mary.
The upside for seniors is cardiologists will continue to take medicare. 95% of their business is seniors/medicare
That’s true.
Maybe that was part of Bill Ayers original plan – remember something about eliminating 25 million Americans?? Probably the older, more conservative of us…heard something today on the radio about cutting nursing home patient loads in half in the next two years….wonder what in the hell THAT was about?
nursing homes, rehab centers, etc will have to close their doors at some point.
also, anyone who has been paying for insurance as preventative policy as they age should ponder the thought that you’re wasting your money by paying for it. They will not be in business or you will be DEEMED uninsurable by the feds
And yet we “old people” are yelled at for being on Medicare, when we aren’t allowed anything else. Love it. Just love it. Hubby and I pay $500 a month for Part B and State Farm supplemental. Next time I am in town, I’m going to go by the accounting office and the hospital to clarify if and how I can read on the billing (through CMS records/summaries) the difference between their actual cost and what medicare pays. I’m wondering if we might have the potential for determining how much they are being ripped off by accepting Medicare and then gifting that to the hospital either every month (whenever there’s billing–we seldom go to the doctor) or once a year or something.
We’ve already talked about just cancelling our Part B and Supplemental when the docs discontinue serving medicare and using the cash to pay “fee for service” and then plan on paying the fine. The problem I see with that (for anyone of any age) is that we might be real brave and think we’re real smart when we first do it, but there’s nothing to prevent them for raising the fine a couple of thousand dollars if they see a high number of people making that choice. You can’t negotiate with liars….or “outsmart” them.
Emma you might consider finding a doctor who takes monthly fees, as I stated below(somewhere) for office visits.
I have a feeling more of this will pop up.
Surgical issues don’t fall under this yet.
Emma, as someone who used to work for Medicare, I can tell you that Hospitals make a LOT of billing errors. It would be difficult at best to try to figure out what a Hospital’s actual cost would be. A Doctor would be better able to tell you what the actual cost of doing business is. Unfortunately, Dr.s and Hospitals feel that they have to “overbill” in order to hopefully get their reimbursement rates adjusted…every 3 years if memory serves me correctly. Many Docs will likely go to a fee for service, and let you file the paperwork to be reimbursed.
Emma, I’m not sure if I’m right but someone on a post said that they tried to cancel medicare and were told that if they did, they could not get their Social Security. I would check first.
Do you see a rebellion coming? I do! And it “ain’t gonna be pretty.
Dead fish’s brother (Utopia’s medical expert” Zeke Mengele Emmanuel has been saying for yeasr the gov should deny medicalcare to those over 65, the disabled, and those with chronic health conditions such as diabetes, asthma, and seriously sick children becuse they will never pay enough taxes to repay the gov’t for the cost.
You can find Dr. Zeke Mengele Emmanuel’s writings on the internet if Goofle hasn’t put them down the memory hole for the obot fascists. Genocide has come to America disquised as health care reforms. In case you are wondring Hitler used the health care tactic to eliminate opposition too. And forget those November elections and do remember theobots are taking names from HillBuzz posts.
I am ready to give my old life (age 67)for our freedom.
My DH is a family physician and we employ 3 people. Things are pretty tight already and we aren’t sure how this bill will affect us. I work there for free (lucky him).
I thought it was against the law to turn away medicare patients. DH isn’t home (he runs a free clinic) so I can’t ask him, but I thought that was the case.
I think it’s just that if you take one medicare patient you have to take all patients on medicare..not all doctors even take medicare/medicaid..
I know when I had my second child the hospital billed our insurance for an epidural and the insurance paid for it. Trust me I didn’t have an epidural and being the honest person I try to be I called to take care of it..the person said “Are you sure you didn’t have an epidural??” Duh would I not know? This sort of stuff happens all the time too.
This is called the real world. Of course, it’ll probably become illegal to fire anyone to get down under the artificial limit. Gotta hand it to liberals how blank-stare they can look when they get mugged by reality.
Although according to Mark Levin this afternoon, they did shoot themselves in the foot by failing to provide funding in the bill for all the added oversights/collections/threat agents that they have said the IRS should handle. They forgot to include the money to do it. So Levin was saying that it might be possible to stop the developments in that area by filibustering the appropriations bills that will be required.
That is what earlier today I urged the offices of Reps. Boehner, Ryan, Cantor, Bachmann, and Sen. DeMint, to do.
Mark Levin Rocks!
They forgot to add funding??? 2,700 pages read by no one and $bazillions of debt and they forgot funding????
Bwahahahahahaha!!!!
This IS the administration with the lowest percentage of people with private-industry experience. And the bill was ENTIRELY written by Democrats….
They probably just left it off so that the cost of the bill would be under the 1 trillion dollar mark. I wonder what other costs they left out. How about the cost of all the other regulatory bodies the legislation creates?
CBS news was doing it’s usual propoganda piece about how great this health care bill will be for employers.
But they had a guy with like 120 employees, and if he paid the fine instead of paying for insurance, he’d save $380,000.
The man said he’d NEVER drop insurance for his employees.
All I could think was, “Yeah, RIIIIGHT”.
This will happen nationwide. Employers will either fire employees so that they fit into the group that gets tax credits, or they’ll drop the employee insurance all together and pay the fine.
Is there a Democrat alive that knows MATH?????
Oh, and on another note, an article in AtlasShrugs had a list of all of the Democratic SOCIALISTS in the Congress. Look at this HUGE list! The Marxists are in the house, kids!
75 OF CONGRESS WHO ARE ALSO MEMBERS OF DEMOCRAT SOCIALISTS OF AMERICA
Neil Abercrombie (HI-01)
Carolyn Kilpatrick (MI-13)
Tammy Baldwin (WI-02)
Dennis Kucinich (OH-10)
Xavier Becerra (CA-31)
Barbara Lee (CA-09)
Madeleine Bordallo (GU-AL)
Sheila Jackson-Lee (TX-18)
Robert Brady (PA-01)
John Lewis (GA-05)
Corrine Brown (FL-03)
David Loebsack (IA-02)
Michael Capuano (MA-08)
Ben R. Lujan (NM-3)
André Carson (IN-07)>
Carolyn Maloney (NY-14)
Donna Christensen (VI-AL)
Ed Markey (MA-07)
Yvette Clarke (NY-11)
Jim McDermott (WA-07)
William “Lacy” Clay (MO-01)
James McGovern (MA-03)
Emanuel Cleaver (MO-05)
George Miller (CA-07)
Steve Cohen (TN-09)
Gwen Moore (WI-04)
John Conyers (MI-14) >
Jerrold Nadler (NY-08) >
Elijah Cummings (MD-07)
Eleanor Holmes-Norton (DC-AL)
Danny Davis (IL-07)
John Olver (MA-01)
Peter DeFazio (OR-04)
Ed Pastor (AZ-04)
Rosa DeLauro (CT-03)
Donald Payne (NJ-10)
Rep. Donna F. Edwards (MD-04)
Chellie Pingree (ME-01) >
Keith Ellison (MN-05) a muslim
Laura Richardson (CA-37)
Sam Farr (CA-17)
Lucille Roybal-Allard (CA-34)
Chaka Fattah (PA-02)
Bobby Rush (IL-01)
Bob Filner (CA-51)
Linda Sánchez (CA-47)
Barney Frank (MA-04)
Bernie Sanders (VT)
Marcia L. Fudge (OH-11)
Jan Schakowsky (IL-09)
Alan Grayson (FL-08)
José Serrano (NY-16)
Raúl M. Grijalva (AZ-07)
Louise Slaughter (NY-28)
Luis Gutierrez (IL-04)
Pete Stark (CA-13)
John Hall (NY-19)
Bennie Thompson (MS-0)
Phil Hare (IL-17)
John Tierney (MA-06)
Maurice Hinchey (NY-22)
Nydia Velazquez (NY-1)
Michael Honda (CA-15)
Maxine Waters (CA-35)
Mazie Hirono (HI-02)
Diane Watson (CA-33)
Jesse Jackson, Jr. (IL-02)
Mel Watt (NC-12)
Eddie Bernice Johnson (TX-30)
Henry Waxman (CA-30)
Hank Johnson (GA-04)
Peter Welch (VT-AL)
Marcy Kaptur (OH-09)
Robert Wexler (FL-19)
Carolyn Kilpatrick (MI-13)
Lynn Woolsey (CA-06)
Yep. And if you go down that list and compare it with the people you saw on the news promoting healthcare you will see matches. Almost all the people on that list were on the news promoting the healthcare bill. Most of the CBC are socialists, too.
Robert Wexler retired so we will see who will run in his place on the Democratic ticket. An acquaintance of ours is running for that seat and even though he is not in my district and I did not like his using Scott Brown’s line “it’s the people’s seat” when he won the primary, I will support him. At least he is not a RINO.
I don’t know about the Dem but Ed Lynch is running. The election is next month.
Do you see the problem here? AND the ray of hope.
1. the ray of hope which WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE HAPPENS. Congress is switched to republican in November.
2. If companies opt to pay the penalty opposed to pay health care, the health care plan crashes and burns because republican congress won’t approve a single payer system and yet NO ONE will have health care because employers won’t pay for it.
I see a BIG crash and burn coming but ONLY if we take back congress. If we don’t, it’s over.
The Health Care Corporations and the Insurance Corporations are going to crash and burn also.
That takes our entire Health Industrial Complex down and back to the stone age.
Oh, goody Maurice Hinchey is on the list and I am NOT surprised. I grew up in Ithaca, NY which is part of his district and the guy has been around for decades, probably before I was ever born (and I’m 34).
The next time these people lie and say that what Obeyme is doing isn’t socialism I will recite this list. No wonder the Dems are so screwed up. Can’t do any dirty work in a fringe party so they join the Dem party, take over it, and “disguise” it with some hearty mixture of blue dogs.
Sickening.
Here in Killeen Texas, there are many Day Care providers with a average of 15 staff members(mostly women). Most of these women are military wives that collect their husbands’ insurance. There is still a small percentage of employees that have no insurance. These employees will be former employees in 2011 and 2012.
I have my own business but I wont try to expand into anything bigger than just me.
It wont be worth it.
We have a small business and it is likely we will be keeping it small. We cannot afford to hire anybody and it’s a shame because we have the work, we just already get hit with the 4.80 cents per person, per hour, for state L&I. That’s 40 bucks a day per person in mandated insurance. On top of that we have to pay mandated liability insurance to be in construction. Now if we hire any more people we’ll be required to add a third layer of insurance.
What’s with that anyway? You have one insurance for when you’re on the job, another for when your in a car, another in case you get hurt in construction, another policy in case somebody gets hurt in your home, and now they want us to have mandatory medical insurance? Most people are already insured in half a dozen ways it just hardly ever pays off.
Reagan alerted us about this. Once the government runs health, it can run anything. The only way to stop socialism now is getting Congress and White House. And it looks like we gonna get it.
Do you mean: “Once the government ruins health(care), it can ruin anything.”
Hey, look what the whore Stupak sold his vote for!
http://www.nrcc.org/codered/dealwatch/?p=52
You know what’s really sad? I did a google of Stup-id’s district and found it’s got many rural areas not served by a DR. Hello! He sold out for F*cking airports? Bizarre!
There MUST be more to this story.
When I think of MI I think of Unions. When I think of Unions I think of the mafia. When I think of the Mafia I think of Chicago…Detroit…St. Louis…and NY.
Hope, Change – WELFARE FOR ALL!
OT, boyz,
Do you or any of your friends have any background on the men who knew Obama in Boystown who were found dead before the election? It seems like there were at least 2, but they were both labeled unsolved cold cases.
Yes, I think it’s time to reinvestigate!
“The details about why and exactly how he died remain unclear…”
Murder Rocks Chicago Church Community
http://www.gbmnews.com/articles/2383/1/Murder-Rocks-Chicago-Church-Community/Page1.html
One was the choir leader in Wright’s religious cult that Obama belonged to in Chicago. The same one Oprah belonged to also.
Obama and his Marxist Kool Aid drinkers are salivating everytime they say “Health care for 30 millions uninsired Americans”.
They don’t mention 100 million middle class workers whose taxes will go up 10 to 20% in the next 4 years.
What I do not understand why people are not more in a uproar that the members of Congress are exempt from this fiasco? I always bring that up and just get a blank stare from people. What makes them better than their constituents?
Because the folks who are still drinking the Kool-Aid haven’t actually READ the bill. When they finally get around to it – if they understand what they are reading – then they will get upset.
Of course, all of the bad stuff is going to be Bush’s fault….
By Dec 2011 Obama and his Kool Aid drinkers will say “Its only been 3 years, Bush had 8 years, give us a break”
My Rep, Tammy Baldwin, who is on that list of Socialists, would answer those questions by saying in her sweet sing-song voice, “We get to keep the plan we have just like anyone else who likes their plan can keep it.”
And the lemmings would nod their heads & say, “OK, that makes sense, this must be a good plan!”
Has anyone heard anything about how Hillary feels about this? I saw a picture at the Democratic Underground where she looks extremely happy as she hugs Obama. It’s the first one below.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433×241575
I was really hoping Hillary’s silence thus far was a sign that she wasn’t on board with this.
she always wanted a single payer system so i’m sure she’s happy. maybe she’ll choke on her own progressive glee
You have heard of this software program called: PHOTOSHOP?
I will no longer support Hillary if she ever runs again.
Notice Obama kept her out of the picture during most of this because of course he didn’t want her claiming any victory in healthcare reform.
I saw her today on a video and she looked sick. She really did look drawn and not happy. Maybe it’s all the traveling…but she did not look well.
that’s b/c the Marxist Messaih is an insecure woman-hating chicago punk.
Neither will I for so many reasons. It’s a shame. She proved herself to be an opportunist and I’ve changed, politically, and will never go back.
I am sorry, but Hillary has sold us all out. Hillbuzz, should rethink it’s support as Hillary continues to do Obama’s bidding.
It really saddens me to be honest. I used to be ardently anti-Hillary just because I didn’t like Democrats, period, and Hillary rubbed me the wrong way for some reason. The HillBuzz guys made me reconsider my opinion and consider that maybe she wouldn’t have been a bad President after all. Of course, compared to Obama, she would have still be a great President.
But I do have to say, I’m starting to consider that maybe I was right to begin with about Hillary. Sorry, guys.
I think Hillary will still be Obama’s SOS in 2012. This picture confirm Hillary will never be president. I don’t think Sarah Palin will consider her for VP either after this picture.
After this picture a Hillary-Sarah mach will be a victory for Sarah across the board.
The dream ticket Palin/Clinton takes a big step backwards now.
I say Palin/Bachmann or
Palin/Ryan
I could actually picture how this thing can completely fall apart.
1. employers opt to pay the penalty opposed to paying for employee insurance.
2. mandates forcing people to pay a fine if they don’t carry insurance is unconstitutional and shall be deemed unconstitutional. so citizens don’t pay for health insurance HOWEVER, they can’t be turned away for health care.
hmmmmmm….looks like no money coming into the government for insurance.
The sad part is no insurance company can survive this. The good part the stupid asses in d.c. won’t see this coming and won’t be able to handle the “free health care” problem without trying to pass a mandatory one payer system for all. At which point I hope congress/president is republican.
Ladies and gentlemen, I believe capitalism is going to tear this piece of crap to pieces – if businesses/medical field ban together.
I believe the single payer is the goal.
If they all go out of business.. that is the plan.
What’s to keep them (the insurance companies) from reorganizing themselves and out sourcing to the GOVT. Why, just why, did they not fight this like they did when HRC tried to change it? CUZ, now they know how too play the Obamasystem…don’t worry. The O. has made plenty of deals behind closed doors–remember Big Pharma? Where are they? Why didn’t all those stocks go down???
Things to ponder…
They’ve put fixes in the senate fix bill that will give Sebelius the power to set prices for the insurance company and the thinking is that she will raise premiums for private insurance…which will force everyone to go with the government plan thus creating a single payer system.
But you have to remember that this is only if the world is perfect with butterflies and unicorns which…we know won’t happen…I’m convinced it will become a disaster long before they can implement most of it and we will be able to repeal most if not all of it.
I am sure there was some back room deal..
Kinda like Planned parenthoods complete silence over Bart Stupak’s deal.. today they issue a statement about the EO being meaningless.
It’s going to take time to set all of the “goodies” up – and these are Democrats with no business experience, so nothing will be in place by the time BamBam is starting to run his re-election campaign.
What that will mean is that people are going to be hopping mad when their “free” healthcare hasn’t materialized yet.
After the Republicans run the table in 2010 and 2012, they can start dismantling this monstrosity.
In case you haven’t heard, it came out today that the dummies forgot to put in the bill that people under 26 can be covered on parents insurance.
They didn’t put it in the bill!!!!
Chris, I think they did that on purpose.
They did now want those Ayers and Axelhole trained O-bots turning on them before they crimed the bill through congress.
Bev, I agree with you. I was in the medical field and have been pondering the possible scenerios.
None of which are good.
Our first disaster, which I believe starts this year is 31 million free customers running into doctors offices demanding service. THAT in itself will crash the system this year.
2nd disater – doctors WILL leave the medical world. The lowest malpractice insurance is around 150,000/yr. If the doctor is over 50 years old, which at leat 40% are or soon will be, have no benefit to stress themselves out to comply with this bs.
3nd disater – my post above.
4th…and the list goes on. We’ll edit as we go.
If there were such a thing as a liberal deer. take a picture because we’re going to have a ton of liberal deers in the headlights?
I’m concerned about the union involvement in this. SEIU wants to expand internationally. If SEIU has its sights on India and starts importing foreign doctors thru a union to replace all our doctors (which has been happening…I’d say at least half our doctors now in the US are foreign), putting minorities in the medical schools working at lower pay, that is not an unrealistic scenario. The transcription business has been fighting overseas contractors for 10 years now. They work cheap but their quality of work is horrible so we have thus far been able to hold them off. The voice recognition software is not a threat. It doesn’t work well and plus the hospitals and doctors are not going to be upgrading to huge expensive computer systems anytime soon. But no doubt the delivery of medical care is about to change drastically and people are not going to like it.
Is your malpractice quote a typo? My husband is a family physician and we pay $12,500 a year in malpractice insurance. It really depends on the specialty.
I know some lawyers that pay over $100,000/yr for malpractice, so the figure she quoted for doctors may be correct.
Again, it really depends on the specialty. I don’t mean to mince words, but a family physician’s malpractice isn’t $150,000 a year – we are at $12,500 a year (which I find ridiculous). Perhaps a surgeon or gynocologist’s is, but not all doctors are that high.
Well, I’m in Chicago so pricing goes by location. Big cities would pay much more and right, specialty is everything.
I believe Anesthesiologist are the highest. If they quit – yowza..let’s make sure piglosi is the first on the list for surgery
Oncologist friend told me about 7 years ago her malpractice was around $50,000.00
I knew an ER doctor personally in CA 10 years ago who said that she paid 30,000 a year.
Speciality really plays into that.
FYI – The malpractice premiums depend on specialty and location and level of coverage.
The private insurance industry will collapse.. that is their plan. When it does, I will NOT buy into the govt.plan. We’ll find ‘back-room’ doctors who will take cash or go back to the barter system, because by that time, the dollar will be worthless anyway.
As I stated I was in the medical field. However, I am a firm believer in acupuncture.
Some of you may wish to consider opting, preventatively.
Let me say one thing, ONLY accept an accupuncturist who is a certified acupuncturist. They go to school for years opposed to others who go for 3 to 6 months.
A certified acupuncturist can actually cure diseases. Not over night but they can.
Obama and Biden say:
“Welcome to your Greatest Depression – EVAH!”
I hate to say it, but I think the Boys are going to find that Hillary is a little more statist than they’ve become.
I’ve been wary of HRC but now with the whole thing with Israel…don’t like it.
BTW-The One doesn’t want his pic taken with BiBi–Why?
What Muslim does?
Don’t even get me started on this!
Why? Are you cute when you’re angry?
Since when does an SOS challenge his, or her, boss publicly? Come on. Have you never worked in a large corporation? Same deal. The best thing she can do is get out and get her voice back.
well, as a Hillary supporter, should she run in 2012, I will not support her.
I saw her hugging that Marxist Messaih over this chitty bill, my stomach turned.
I’m confused about Hillary. I want to believe she’s not a progressive but she has said she is one. But I don’t believe she would have torn the country apart for this damn bill. Pelosi would. She doesn’t care. She’d kill her own children for the progressives. I can’t believe Hillary or Bill would have wanted to divide the country. Obama used the race card on THEM!!! I can’t believe Bill or Hillary are just blowing all that off…
Pelosi is a nutbag.
Hillary is not. Bill was correct in abandoning this hillarycare in the 1990s. They are centerist democrats.
Pelosi is an America-hating kook.
She might not have done it herself, but she was willing to stand there silent while they did it. Not much different in my book.
I used to have a basic “generosity” of conservative American spirit toward her. It’s fading, faster after the crap she spewed in Israel again this week.
I know she has to do what Obama tells her to do but…I admit she does not look happy this week in the video I have seen.
Seriously – Hillary would have fought Pelosi. Tooth and Nail. O was in bed with her. Hillary would never have even let her float a ‘deem and pass’ she is well into procedure and doing things properly. I was thinking this today – I’ve never been a large hillary fan – okay, well, I used to be, then I wasn’t – but I have spoken to many people who have met her. Many people who completely disagree with whatever she stands for. And those people have had great things to say about her – how she does her homework, how she knows what she is talking about, etc. She would never have allowed pelosi to do what she did. She might have fought for a health care bill – but she wouldn’t have disregarded the entire country, nor would she allow the congress to be such idiots.
All my opinion, I have of course, never spoken with her.
Hillary is certainly out of the question for me. She is a Democrat & had she been in the Senate or held a congressional office during this healthcare debacle she would have gone right along and probably helped lead the charge.
I am not confused by what Bill and Hillary are doing. They are true, good old-fashioned “political players.”
Remember:
“Keep your friends close, and keep your enemies even closer!”
Yes, I do. My daughter-in-law in Salt Lake City, Utah has a commercial painting business. She will make her decision within the next week to either close the business, try to sell, or else be forced to lay off people.
She also told me that several medium to large businesses (contractors) that she regularly does business with have already layed off people – on Monday morning…over 1,000 workers.
She also said that she has lost three contracts for painting hospitals (they were multiyear contracts that shouldn’t have ended for another nine years!) that would have provided work for her employees but the healthcare bill now only allows the government to approve hospital construction. Therefore, the largest contractor that builds hospitals throughout the US has been forced to end that part of his business. By the way, he will lay off the employees he does have when current work is completed for that portion of his business. Ironically enough, that contractor built the new Cook County Hospital in Chicago and my daughter-in-law’s business painted it. Even more ironic is that she hired “recovering” gang members from Chicago and one of them currently is her supervisor for the hospital painting jobs. I guess the “progressives” really care about minorities, huh?
I forgot to mention that she provides “cadillac” insurance benefits to her employees but she has already told them that those benefits will end. It would be cheaper for her to pay the penalties than provide the benefits. Also, over half of her employees are either Latino, Black, or re-trained homeless that she recruited from the local homeless shelter back in the days when it was nearly impossible to find workers. She assisted the Latinos to get green cards before they were hired so that she would not be one of the “evil” employers that hires illegals. The Blacks came either from the ghetto of Chicago or from New Orleans after the Katrina hurricane. And she did it all without any government “assistance” but rather on her own along with other fellow contractors.
It’s sad to see the days of ordinary people helping others!
Your daughter-in-law is an example of America operating as it was intended. People helping people. REAL help – a hand UP – for minorities and homeless and other folks who need a helping hand. The government only offers handouts, which are as addictive as crack it seems.
I cried in Nov 2008 because I knew what was going to happen to my country. And slowly, inexorably it has. I have to stay positive. This can’t be allowed to go on. I need to figure out how I can fight this – besides voting out every cockroach I can in Nov. I am sick to my stomach, and fighting mad.
Tyrone, you are 100% right. People helping people, not bloated government helping people by keeping them in poverty.
Yeah, that’s great. Sets up a situation as an employer where people get on the road to the dream and then has to say ‘sorry, can’t continue to do this because Uncle Sam is going to screw the whole deal’.
Just when you think that you cannot get anymore pissed off, along comes this post. Yep, I’m MORE angry.
HillBuzz — my friend owns a small business about 10 – 12 people, 5 of them are part timers, she told those 5 part time employees today she cannot afford them anymore.
They will be let go at the end of April
And then there will be most likely 1 full time employee that will be let go, as her revenues are shrinking, and she cannot maintain her margins enough to maintain the busienss.
She knows she will have to file for bankcruptcy by this time next year.
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on a seperate point, I was listening to my morning radio in the DC area on monday, a dude called and said he fired 2 employees, b/c he cannot afford them, and this employer who called in said he was not giving up his profit margins, so he let those 2 employees go as of monday morning.
but the legislation only (supposedly) affects companies with 50 or more employees. is she letting people go because of the HCR bill?
We’ll have to see when we look into the specifics.
My husband has 5 associates who work for him in a commission-based business. Everyone buys their own health insurance like we do. (I’ve never had employer-based health insurance, and it’s been about 23 years since my husband had any.) It’s not a typical “employee” situation– all are free associates. They work for him simply to be under the umbrella of the franchise he bought and owns, to work out of the office he leases, furnishes and equips, and to receive coaching and help from him out of his experience in growing their own piece of the business. That’s the arrangement everyone signs up for, in order to have the opportunity to reach for the sky on their own efforts. They approach him about the opportunity– it’s not like we’re taking advantage of them! It’s just mutually beneficial. Yet if we’re forced to buy insurance for the 5 of them as “employees”, there’s no way the business can stay afloat at this stage. I don’t know what’s going to happen. I suppose we’ll be forced to re-structure compensation so that they’ll have to take OUR choice of health insurance and have it deducted from commissions, just to please the federal government… or leave. Yuck! Who wants that? How stupid.
Yes, We do. We cannot get into specifics. However, we know these people first hand and we can note some are in the medical industry.
I wanted to repost this, I saw it at another site. Maybe the HB crew will do a post on it.
The irony!!
Patrick Henry is perhaps best known for the speech he made in the House of Burgesses on March 23, 1775, in Saint John’s Church in Richmond, Virginia. The House was undecided on whether to mobilize for military action against the encroaching British military force, and Henry argued in favor of mobilization. Forty-two years later, Henry’s first biographer, William Wirt, working from oral testimony, attempted to reconstruct what Henry said. According to Wirt, Henry ended his speech with words that have since become immortalized:
Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death!
Today is also the anniversary of the signing of the Enabling Act, in which the Reichstag disposed of its powers in favour of the Nazi government – another step in the so-called Gleichschaltung, the legal steps through which the Nazis seized power.
I know which outcome the American people are going to be fighting for. Of course, it might be no coincidence that BamBam signed the papers today…
of course single payer is the plan:
Karl D lays it out perfectly:
http://market-ticker.denninger.net/archives/2109-Health-Care-Arbitrage-Obama-And-The-Dems.html
I am the only non-relative (ie., outside hire) in a small family owned business. I manage the store (literally) when my employers are off…so my direct dealing with them is limited. Our warehouse is fairly empty…and I haven’t seen a delivery driver (other than FedEx and UPS) in weeks.
Their ‘silence’ coupled with lack of inventory has me more than worried. It goes without saying that I’ll be the first to go.
Last ‘career’ move before this one? Real estate agent. Yeah.
(MQC clears throat) ‘paper or plastic?’
They don’t ask that anymore in S.F. – no plastic allowed.
There’s also “would you like fries with that?”
Unless O-care puts many fast-food places out of business because they employ primarily part-timers.
No, Michelle will put them out of business with her war against fat.
As regards New York, she’ll have to hurry, we’ve a loon who wants to ban restaurants from using salt! In other words, to destroy all such businesses.
I am so sorry to hear this. The real human toll for all of this is really astounding when you think about it. Let us know how it goes.
“”So I just got a call from my health insurance provider. My family rates are going up $200/month … $2400/year per employee effective April 1st. Didn’t take long after signing to get this s**t going.
So much for the “my plan will save Americans” $2500/year in Healthcare premiums.
F***ing liar in chief. ”
”
http://market-ticker.denninger.net/archives/2117-That-Didnt-Take-Long…..html
You think people are angry now. Wait ’til this starts happening to everyone. Pelosi/Obama/Reid are banking on us getting mad at the insurance companies. I hope everyone gets mad at the real people to blame.
I hope they get mad at the right people, too. Stupid can no longer be tolerated or accepted as “patriotic”…which is exactly what they’ve counted: everybody just drink the koolaid and move along…otherwise you’re a racist. Good grief.
I dream of the day I can look Piglosi in the eye and say “You can fix ugly but you can’t fix stupid.”
http://www.examiner.com/x-33986-Political-Spin-Examiner~y2010m3d23-Obama-signs-health-care-reform-into-law-IRS-becomes-a-bounty-hunter-agency
“IRS becomes Bounty Hunter agency”
I can just see this disaster unfolding. Lots of militia forming.
Rush said yesterday.. if this bill is so great… why do you need 16,500 IRS agents to enforce it?
Well, today we had our open enrollment and we switched insurance companies. Our payout is per month is half of our take home pay. No more insurance for us!
Oh well!
I’ve heard of a few business owners who are scared to death of what is coming because of the passing of HCR. The problem is, they don’t know, and the corrupt Dems who voted for it don’t even know what they voted on. Insane.
HillBuzz Boyz, I suggest you ask folks in the healthcare industry directly what is happening in medical practices, hospitals, etc. in light of this new legislation. I’ve posted here before about my husband’s suburban medical practice (300 employees, 25 doctors). They are very nervous about what is to come and things are starting to be affected already! They undoubtedly will begin (very soon) to cut back on the amount of Medicare patients that they see.
We are just beginning to see the horrors of full-blown socialism here and I’m praying that the conservatives (not Republicans….Conservatives!) will guide this country back to a free Republic.
me 2.
I imagine docs are going to drop Medicare and Medicaid patients at a huge rate.
And there will be many doctors will ask to be paid directly, they will not accept insurance at all.
I know there are many practives in NYC that do this, they don’t accept any insurance, no medicare, no medicaid, just straight cash.
And from what I have seen they provide excellent service.
My doctor doesn’t accept insurance. A patient is free to submit the claims, but they won’t do it. The new insurance company my employer went with doesn’t have my doctor on the list so I automatically have to pay 50%.
I could look for another doctor but I sort of like the spirit of this practice. . .they told them all to go to hell years ago.
This is an excellent way of service. It’s basically limited to family practioners for obvious reasons.
I know of a lot of doctors who have already opted for monthly patient plans. Meaning, a patient, in his/her group shall pay a monthly fee can see the doctor anytime.
As for surgical patients. That’s a plan I can’t figure out. If you’re wealthy you can easily pay 1/3 of the bill and the hospital will accept it as full payment. Always was that way and always will be that way.
Chris…found it here! Thanks…..I hope as this travesty unfolds that the creative folks who decide to continue their medical careers will understand that we actually are on their side….and if they will educate us as we all revert back to “fee for service” and how they want to work it…hey, we’re in!
I think one thing this past weekend did for all of is provide that transition from dreading what was going to happen: it’s over. The bad thing happened. We don’t have to be afraid now. We will be very, very, very, very focused, angry, creative and on the hunt.
I’m making a prediction that a lot of the medical doctors will be replaced with foreign doctors and students. That’s actually been happening a few years now. We have many, many foreign doctors who come over on visas. They will work for a lot cheaper. They are also using nurses and PAs more. I’m seeing this, too.
My husband loves bringing students in and allowing them to shadow him while he works. (This is mostly high school kids who are trying to decide if they want to go into the medical field).
He told me the other day that he doesn’t feel right encouraging kids to go into the medical field anymore. His first love is medicine, but the stress on him is ridiculous lately with all of this new law being unknown.
The Dutch health-care system is typified by general shortages of doctors and other professionals, and in additiona these various professions have very high percentages of foreigners.
The doctors should refuse Medicaid!!
For all you Buzzers out there, welcome to the People’s Republic. We’ve had it out here in California for 10 years.
Unofficial unemployment is at 20% and rising.
I just spoke to a friend in Washington State whose husband was ordered to lay off six employees because of Obamacare. This can’t be an isolated event.
This is an excellent thread. I hope everyone who is a small business owner will share their story with their elected officials and/or send a letter to your local paper. This is the first-hand, personal, reality-based fact of how this pie-in-the-sky bill will impact the lives of Americans.
sarc/ and what, pray tell, makes you think that anyone will care…local papers, unfortunately, are a big, big part of the main stream media. They don’t rock the boat much as far as I can see.
We are still waiting to see if it will affect us or not. Our library employs two part-time staff: one 20 hrs, one 10 hrs. If we understand the bill correctly, they would be counted as one person and the college would have to pay a fine for not insuring them. We also have about 30 student workers, max 10 hrs each. So another 15 part-timers if they get counted. I suspect that the university will eliminate all part-time and student worker positions. They’re not about to insure them, and I don’t see them being willing to pay $750 per person to keep them employed.
We also know that the lowest tier of our health care plan costs way more than the penalty for not providing insurance. Even if they raise the penalty to $3000, the penalty is still cheaper. So you can guess where I’m going with this.
Gosh, I feel like Eeyore!
I talked today to two restaurant owners who are planning to close when or before this goes into effect – they just can’t afford to pay either the fee or the insurance and still meet operating costs in this economy!
A couple I know who are both pediatricians have also already said that they’re looking at early retirement as soon as they get the upcoming weddings paid off for their two children.
I told my dog’s vet I was going to him for my health care.
First thing he did was check to see why I was scratching behind my ear.
kidding
Hahaha
I have heard ‘underground’ employment is going to be huge.
Under the table payments ect.
I can see it.
Trust me, “underground employment” and “black market” trade flourish in socialist countries.
And look at California:)
Foul mouth Plugs said “we will own the insurance companies” – the government certainly will – they will also own the student loans so guess where the new doctors and nurses will becoming from – just like in China – kids will be told what they will study in college – get used to it – you are so screwed
We Hillary supporters tried to tell the obots – they didn’t listen – well good luck to them………….. (and, just as an aside – Romneycare is exactly like fraudcare – RINOs are in this just as deeply as the Progressive Dems)
this whole country is screwed except for the people who are in power now and they control the money -
welcome to the USSA
Yeah, aren’t they just choice?? Even when they’re “happy” and “celebrating” they have to talk filthy.
I wouldn’t have these people in my home for a spaghetti dinner, especially if I was concerned any of my friends might drop by. In everyday life, these people are beneath notice. They don’t know that.
It’d be great if you guys got a real fancy website going…with all the videos and stuff. You guys find great videos. I loved that Swedish guy this morning. A combination Hotair.com/DrudgeReport/etc. but you guys are more fun because you don’t hold back. You don’t have that politically correct crap going on.
The owner of my company is trying to sort through what this will mean to our business of less than 50 employees. He told me it’s only a question of figuring out how many we will lay off. We were actively pursuing acquisitions but he said that has ended.
It’s “Obama” in America. Not Morning In America (how I miss Reagan), It’s “Obama” in America. And we’re in a serious pot of boiling sh*t.
Shame on all Obama voters. I know you were fooled, but you were not misinformed.
Cut staff ? My kid’s biz may have to close
The dems thought they had planned this healthscare take over so some good stuff happens right before the election in November and more good stuff right after the 2012 election.
Looks like that plan is backfiring before the ink is dry on the bill.
I heard an insurance person on Rush say rates would more than likely go up 300% and that might not be enough to save the insurance companies from going under in three years max.
This bill hurts everyone. Can’t wait for November.
There will be no elections in November . The progressives aka as communists have been plotting to grab power since 1867 (Terrence Powderly and the Knight of Labor) and now have the brass ring and will not surrender it . Their goal is to destroythe US satisfy their delusionary ideological “Utopian’ wet dreams.
Let’s face it folks Republicans are just a step better than Democrats.
IF and that’s a big if the next Congress, which shall be republican, could shut this down overnight by passing a bill stating any Congress member past/present. Any president past/present will be the first on this health care plan. Will they do that?! Hell no. They are ALL out for themselves. That’s why WE should be the ones in d.c. making the rules.
chris:
I think you’re using a bit of hyperbole. There are some solid Republicans like Michelle Bachmann, Mike Pence, Paul Ryan, Jim DeMint, etc… who have been fighting this every step of the way, and are leading the repeal movement. Another GOP congressman introduced legislation to include all of Congress in the bill last year, but of course the Donks voted against it. So I think you’re tarring them with the same brush unfairly.
You’re absolutely right and I apologize. I’ll try to redeem myself by letting you know I’ve informed Bachmann’s people that I will be a poll watcher for her and I’m not in her state!!
My anger is totally with this administration.
I’m sure angry as well. Lots of people are – even some little old ladies I know, lol. My 82 yr old neighbor said she could just whack him on the shins with her cane!
I totally agree! The political class should be the FIRST ones on the public option…AND it should be mandated that they take the worst available coverage.
Yes, my business will suffer for this.
I know of about 400 people who are going to lose their jobs because of this bill. Our congresscritters. The American people will be cutting staff come November.
Amen!
Okay . . . so somebody explain to me .. . if all those small businesses are gonna be laying people off, and they can’t find jobs because other small businesses aren’t going to be hiring, then, that means less $$ flowing in to pay taxes as revenues for the govt. to pay for this so-called health care. So, this actually results in less $$$ being paid into taxes because the way this health care plan is structured is just too punitive.
Does this sound about right?
Yes it does. That’s why they will create a VAT tax. Piglosi already spoke of it.
What it does is tax EVERYTHING!! From the foods you eat,gas,electric store items, cable, phone…everything you can think of will have a VAT tax. Just to give you an idea, some countries have a 25% VAT tax.
I have friends in Canada. They pay 3 times what we pay for many of their foods, last I asked their gas was 6 bucks. The list goes on…
Consumption Taxes or Value Added Taxes (VAT) are indeed in our future. I agree.
I was just curious and did a google searc on what countries have a VAT… I came across some liberal think tank advocating this for the USA.
Are these people NUTS?
How does consumers having less money help a consumer driven economy?
I swear.. liberals are dumbest people on earth.
Yep, it seems the “break it all” so we can go for a global govt. is on the verge of happening.
I haven’t been in the working world for several year because I tend to an elderly parent with dementia and have a wonderful husband that allows me to do so.
While the company he works for (a small business) gives him free health care (meaning he draws less wages in exchange for the coverage – NOTHING is free) and they also pay a portion of my coverage, we have serious concerns. They do contract work for some prominent insurance industries (which will probably be the last to collapse)as well as smaller health care facilities.
Oh well, I guess if the economy as a whole collapses any more than it already has, we will do what they did back in the good old days and barter our services and take care of each other.
We try to keep our cabinets and freezer as full as possible, as well as a good supply of ammo. I hope it doesn’t get to that point, but I’ll do what I must to take care of my family.
And for fun, we’ve taken to some serious gardening so that we have an ample supply of veggies. Tired of paying over a dollar for a small tomato or a small onion. I’d rather grow my own…. and it gives me something to smile about
The simple answer to your question is yes. I cannot operate my business on less than 50 people. However, I can sell 1/2 of the corporation to my wife as a subsidiary. Two intertwined companies under two corporate banners each employing 45 people. In addition, every tax increase on the company (Sub Chapter corp) will be paid for from the current payroll expenditures. This means my accountant will now estimate the tax change impact as a whole figure based on projected revenues. I will translate that to a percentage of profits and then apply said percentage to a deflationary wage. I will cut the payroll by the amount of new taxation to maintain my current profit margin. In addition for FY 2010 I will not defer any income or liabilities into FY 2011 thereby taking maximum tax benefit in this year. This will reduce my revenues significantly next year (2011) and will dramatically decrease the tax liabilities next year. I know multiple business owners large and small doing the same. This “may” create a significant drop in tax revenues to federal government at the same time their expenditures will increase creating greater fiscal crisis and prolonging the recession. Currently all capital equipment is underutilized and we have 20% production capacity still available. So we will not spend on any capital equipment. However, to take maximum benefit of the “jobs bill” incentives for capital expenditures, I will buy my wife and kids new cars. Establishing them as fleet vehicles I will depreciate their cost 100% in first year and use eliminate capital gains taxes by using share equity. Obama was an idiot for not phasing in the tax increases over time. By announcing the increases EVERYONE will adjust their assets and incomes in a similar nature. Come 2011 (the year before the election) things are going to be ugly.
This sounds harsh, and it is. But, my employees know why, they have already been informed. Many of them voted for change, so lets see how they like it. Sorry to be so blunt. I am upset.
I am sorry.
I am glad you have a plan, however.
If you have to let people go.. I hope its the hopey, changey & unicorn voters.
Ha, I loved this scenario, –think I will do some new planning. I will also rid myself of some clients that might become more of a headache than I need,—but of course, greenbacks rule!
I heard on local radio .. that Sallie Mae (a major employer here in Indy) will cut 1/3 of its employees since the Government just took over student loans.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/03/23/fox-news-poll-say-economy-collapse/
FOX NEWS POLL..
79% Say U.S. Economy Could Collapse
OMG. Folks.. it is definately time to stock up on stuff… and have a plan.
I hate to be a freak here.. but this is scary stuff.
wish my husband would listen to you..he won’t listen to me..and I agree with you.
I guess we were ahead of the curve. We closed our small business as soon as Obama was elected.
He told Joe the Plumber exactly what he would do to small business and he’s keeping his word. Anyone who has ever run a small business and made a payroll knows the challenges. Now they get the double whammie….Obama expecting small business to enable his dream of ‘spreading the wealth’ on the shoulders of those humping every day just to stay ahead of the game.
He can kiss my a**…I’ll work hard for my family and friends, I WILL NOT work hard to give him his Utopian dream of Socialism.
I just worked my first ‘contract’ job in 10 months. My employer is going all contract work to avoid benefits…I think this is what will happen. Smart business will use more temporary and contract workers and avoid this hit on their profits.
It’s a sad day in America!
I agree with you on the 1099-contractor issue. I think more and more business will hire independents. I’ve been seeing it already. Heck, I’ve picked up personal consulting jobs that never existed before. If any of the Buzzers are good financial types you might consider doing small business book keeping from home. Or some small businesses will lease you the space inside their company to do it. You’d be surprised how many are talking about this now.
And I’ll bet when you do need more medical care, you’ll shop around when possible, and read your bills carefully. When you’re conscious that you’re spending your own money, that’s what you do. Common sense. So much gets inflated or hidden in bills, but the federal government is NOT a good level on which to ferret this waste out. Sweeping bureaucratic regulations begging to be gamed, and bureaucrats deciding who gets what with no consideration of individual needs? No way. But individuals making choices fpr themselves? That works.
Over a year ago, we started the practice of talking to the coding/billing clerks at our medical clinic before we saw the doctors so that we could see what the charges were for various procedures–even if we just in for something simple (or like antibiotics for strep throat or something),…….talk about flip out!!! You’d have thought we asked them disrobe in the waiting room.
I just pointed out to them that I didn’t do any shopping anywhere else where I didn’t know the prices before I selected my purchases and I would like to have the same privilege with regard to my medical care.
We never got very far in practical terms, but it was just my little way of serving up notice that I would like to make intelligent choices and that requires some information.
I suggest that everyone who loses a job as a result of Obamacare take their tents and park them outside of the White House. When they need medical care, they need to go to the Capitol building and tell the staff there that since they were promised healthcare every bit as good as that of Congress members, they want to be seen by the medical staff on call at the Capitol building.
After all, you have been paying their salaries for years – the least they can do is to take a few minutes to check out what is wrong with you. Oh, and be sure and take advantage of those free medications that Congresscritters get, too!
I can see them coming out to visit you in the tents, identifying you as homeless and offering you some kind of public housing…maybe a gig on ABC or something.
My husband is his own small business…he works alone and if he needs help he hires a young guy (since mostly guys like to work on cars) and pays him hourly/cash.. He has been doing pretty good lately as most people do not have the funds to buy a new car so they are fixing up their old cars as best they can…he is a mechanic…used to work in the car dealers but didn’t like how they ripped people off (a lot like the government) so he went to work on his own.
P.S. The neighbor is a pacifist Obama-lover and they don’t like the US flag, etc…so I got myself a flag and a flagpole..for now I have my 3×5 DONT TREAD ON ME flag hanging out..just so she’ll know where I stand. I can’t stand her anyway..
Hehehe, I get so many ideas here, I should wave one of those flags in front of Patty Murray’s office when she comes back to visit her home state.
If I put an American flag out, the fucking we-love-everyone Libtards in Noe Valley (S.F.) would burn my house down. God knows when they park on the street they take up 2 spots as it is.
Good idea. I didn’t hink of that. I will do so!!!
In our daily email at work today from the trust department (I work at a bank), the advisor remarked that apparently on McDonalds recent earnings call, they had stated that it will now cost an additional $75,000+ to run a franchise. Massive company, but “70 percent of McDonald’s restaurants around the world are owned and operated by independent local businesspeople” (from their website).
Imagine how many layoffs and/or cut hours are going to result from that.
BTW, been watching you guys for a while – keep it up.
This thread is terribly sad. It’s bad enough that Americans have witnessed their neighbors losing their homes and their jobs. Now reading the comments from small business owners that will be FORCED to lay off their workers just sickens me. It’s obvious that most of the commenters here care about their workers and don’t want to cause such hardships for others.
The idiots in DC never thought about the consequences of their idiocy. They just pat themselves on the back and smirk and say “everyone has medical insurance now”. Americans may not have homes or jobs or doctors to go to, but Great Merciful Zeus! They’ll have insurance!
To quote Sloe Joe Biden, “This IS a big F*cking Deal”. And I’m mad as hell! I know about 400 people who will be getting pink slips in November when we have OUR say.
HAVE TO GO. Every. Last. Dem.
They DO know what they are doing. They are going to tell you: oh, we are TRYING to do better – we are doing the best we can. It’s those evil corporations and insurance companies. There there, dear. We are trying, but I guess we have to try harder. I guess we HAVE TO push single payer. We HAVE TO have a govt takeover of the whole medical system. Otherwise, well, it will just get worse. See how much worse it got after we passed that great bill? Well, wouldn’t it have been MUCH worse if we hadn’t?
We’re from the govt, we’re here to help. I guess we need to help more, then…
I work for a small company which employs approximately 50 people. We will plan to stay under 50 employees, either by using independent contractors or paring down our staff. It’s my understanding that companies employing less than 50 are unaffected while those with 50+ will have to pay at least $750 per employee (this fine may increase if everyone opts to pay rather than insure their employees). That’s at least $37,500 – considerably more than our profit to date this year!!! They are out of their freaking minds. This will kill an already weak recovery.