[Click above to embiggen: what came to mind when she walked out tonight in her President Snow Halloween Costume from The Hunger Games.]
Who: This will be a debate between Tea Leoni and Nick Nolte. Seriously, if you don’t even know who is debating then I don’t now why you are reading anything on a political site. This might end up being the most-talked-about debate that’s ever happened anywhere this week. This whole month even. At the very least, this whole year! Either the Hilldenburg or the Trumptanic is going down. One shall stand. One shall fall. Where the hell have you been?
What: Third and final presidential debate between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump
When: Wednesday 10/19/16 at 700pmCT
Where: Technically Las Vegas, but most will be watching it via the YouTubes via the Internets. I will be watching the CSPAN feed so I don’t have to listen to the talking heads, but I’m using YouTube as a backup in case CSPAN freezes up.
Why: Because we are friends like this, I will watch the whole thing for you and do a live stream of thought while taking notes. I’m not going to correct typos or edit this afterwards, so it’s not a transcript. It is just my thoughts on what happened and what was being said as it all happened. I will try to be informative and entertaining, in an informtaining kind of way. People like to complain about political events and say they aren’t fun to watch, but to me this is as exciting as any sportsball match. It’s like ancient Roman gladiatorial combat. And everything possible is stacked against Trump. He is like a saber-toothed tiger in the Coliseum and every dirty trick is being employed by all sides. The stage is set for him to make and change history if he wants to. He really is the master of his destiny if that’s what he wants to do. So far, he sure has been more fun to watch than Mittens Romney or John McLame ever were.
If you missed any of the previous debate or convention live stream coverage or other things during this election, you can catch up on this page where I have everything archived.
One thing I find interesting is how differently the Media writes about all these events than how they really seem when you watch them live or you are there in person. People say that all the time when they go to Trump rallies: then they go home and they see the lies that CNN or MSNBC tells on the tee-vee. The Media has always done this of course, but social media now makes it harder and harder for them to lie or to keep the public from seeing how many people are at a rally. Hillary is getting 50 to 100 people or so at a rally, even less when it is her surrogate speakers. Trump is getting 10,000 people. The Media isn’t telling you any of that. Who do you believe? The talking heads on the tee-vee or your own lying eyes?
522pmCT = Something called a “Hallie Jackson” was twittering on the Tweeters that Governor Sarah Palin is going to be one of Trump’s guests to the debate tonight. It would be great to see her again. I hope this is true. I will always like her. She is good people, as we would have said back in Cleveland.
I figured out how to do the Twitters now too, so I can be cool like Hallie Jackson. If you like doing the Twitters too, I am @HillBuzz. But I hope to be moving over to that GAB thing soon as well, since Twitter is all about censorship and seems to be collapsing at this point. In a few years, there might not even be a Twitter.
529pmCT = Apparently, Trump’s plane is now “stalking” Hillary’s plane on the tarmac in Las Vegas.
I thought this was interesting too. She’s not driving around in that “Scooby Van” anymore. Enough people have been talking about it having medical equipment and a hospital bed in the back that she’s gone back to riding in normal cars again. If she really wasn’t using that thing for medical reasons, she’d keep riding around in it now. She ditched it because it draws too much attention to her health problems. So, she really needed the Scooby Van…but she can’t use it now since people are talking about her needing it. There really was some medical reason she had to be driven in that instead of a normal SUV like all VIPs use.
She also got off the plane without her wig today and this is her real hair. It’s nothing like the nice wig she will have on tonight. Just like Michelle Obama, her hair changes from day to day, with her nicest wigs on her head for really important things. This is why I believe that Trump’s hair is real: it’s so bad that if that is a toupee then that would be the worst toupee ever made. He would have sued the company that made that bad toupee. His real hair is bad but I think Hillary’s real hair is bad too. She just has a nice wig. For whatever reason, Trump never bought himself a nice wig. Ivana, Marla, and Melania never thought to get him one for Christmas either. His hair is so weird but I think it’s kind of endearing at this point that he doesn’t care.
If Hillary would win the election, she’d be the first president to wear a wig since, what, James Madison? Maybe James Monroe? (James Buchanan behind closed doors…predating Hoover as our nation’s most powerful cross-dresser?) By the time of John Quincy Adams they seem to have all stopped wearing wigs. Barack Obama has a beard, but we already talked about her and how she wears wigs too as First Lady. Just saying.
543pmCT = Something else I notice. The anti-Hillary stuff is funnier and more clever than the anti-Trump things I see. The Left just calls Trump a racist, which is what the Left does to anyone that opposes them. They called John McCain and Mitt Romney both racists back in 2008 and 2012 respectively…and then in 2009 and 2013, respectively, the Media went back to loving both of those guys. The Clintons were called racist in 2008, if you remember. That started right before the South Carolina primary where Obama wanted to take Hillary down for good…so shameless race hucksters came out and called Bill Clinton a racist and then tarred Hillary with the same brush. But, after Obama had the nomination none of that was ever said about them again. See how that works? It’s the same old thing over and over again.
Some of the anti-Hillary stuff this year is really well done and funny, like this shadow box that lampoons her campaign slogan. This took thought and effort and is clever. I’d love to see the Left be funnier and come up with new material when attacking Republicans. They always have to go to such a vile, nasty, sexual, and cliche place. Why not be original and inventive and use shadowboxes?
550pmCT = Everyone is emailing to let me know that my hometown Cleveland Indians are going to something called the World Series. This is a very big night in sportsball, apparently. It will probably be the last World Series the Cleveland team ever plays before it is renamed the Cleveland Spiders. So it might very well be the last time that the Indians (with that name) are in the World Series. I am smiling because the people of Cleveland are cheering so loudly and jumping up and down with glee that I can almost hear them all the way in Chicago. It is very much BELIEVE-Land over there today.
There is no greater joy I can imagine in life than being from Cleveland. I feel sorry for all of y’all who hail from anywhere else. It’s just a great place to have as a hometown. And to have left. But to always love forever as the place I am from. I’m really blessed in that. And I know everyone back there is going to be so happy with this sportsball news.
I do wonder how this will impact the election. If everyone in Ohio (at least Northeast Ohio) is focused on the Indians getting a shot to win the World Series…how will that affect voter turnout and does it make it more or less likely that Hillary loses Ohio now with this distraction? Let’s ponder that. It’s an interesting variable since Ohio is such a pivotal state. Do Clevelanders in a great mood because of the Indians winning mean they are more likely or less likely to vote for Hillary Clinton because they are in a great mood? I have to think about that.
610pmCT = Check out this graphic that people are tweeting. This is an interesting way to frame the election. If Trump would get people to see things this way, that voting for him on November 8th is like voting GUILTY against Hillary, then I think she would be toast. The question is: are enough people angry about (or even know about) the corruption to be upset enough on November 8th to stop everything the Establishment is doing to hand her the win?
619pmCT = Just saw that the Cocktail Party Establishment in Ohio was caught setting up some kind of fake Twitter account to attack Trump. This is who these Republicans are who want Hillary to be president so their world does not change. They are fops. They are the Establishment. They all dress like this at their Cocktail Parties that you and I would never be invited to (and that you and I would always refuse to go to).
624pmCT = Settling in for the marathon of coverage. Tonight I treated myself to pizza and pop, which I have not had in forever. And I got delivery too, which is the first time I’ve done that in a year or more instead of walking to get it and bringing it home. I like to cook and try to avoid stuff like this…but I’m celebrating in spirit with everyone back in Cleveland and treating myself to something out of the ordinary during this last debate. In a lot of ways, this is the beginning of the end of not just the campaign but this larger adventure that was started in 2008 when Hillary first ran for president. So much has happened and it’s been such a surreal experience, beginning to end. It all started with phone banking and debate watch pizza parties for us Hillary supporters in my apartment in Boystown back in the day, and it’s coming to an end with this last debate and then the next few weeks before we find out who won. I don’t think that Hillary is going to win and I think that Trump is going to have a huge upset victory for the history books. But, really, I don’t anyone knows what’s really going to happen. I just don’t see this ending on a victory for her and I see her instead ending up as a very tragic figure in history. It would be just like her to not be able to pull this off when she literally had every mechanism pushing for her…including the fops of the Cocktail Party GOP Establishment. If she does win, then James Carville and Ann Coulter are both right and Democrats have brought in enough foreigners in the last 50 years that they have demographically changed America to the point where there are many more people on the take and depending on government benefits than there are people who would never want to accept any government benefits…and Democrats are the party of Bigger and Bigger Government. This is really the last election where the American people can choose to change Washington and roll the behemoth back…or vote to allow it to keep getting bigger and more corrupt. What will people do?
636pmCT = Talking heads on CSPAN now talking about early voting. I wish that Donald Trump would really hit hard about voter fraud tonight and would tell people that they really need to rise up against voter fraud coast to coast. Early voting creates so many chances for voter fraud, I think. Wouldn’t it be harder to scam if there was no early voting or vote by mail or absentee voting? If you can’t make it to a polling place, then maybe there needs to be more polling places or a way where you could vote in another state but it still will only count for you wherever you live in your home state? I don’t know a perfect solution to this…but the fact that we have so much voter fraud means that the way we are doing things now doesn’t work. Maybe early voting could just be three days instead of 45 days? Then if you can’t make it on election day, you had two other days to vote. Democrats don’t want voter fraud to be cleaned up…and this is one of the big reasons I won’t ever vote for a Democrat again. If you are a party that supports voter fraud then you are a party that does not deserve to receive any votes.
640pmCT = This guy is saying that he thought that Hillary and Trump were going to shiv each other with switchblades at the last debate. Tonight, Bill Clinton has said he refuses to speak to Melania Trump or shake her hand because he’s afraid that more of the women he victimized in the past will appear, as a trick. They say that Trump is inviting all sorts of “antagonists” who the Clintons hate: Sarah Palin, Jame O’Keefe, the mother of Sean Smith who was killed in Benghazi, Obama’s brother Malik Obama, and other people (including a woman who says she was raped by Bill Clinton in the ’80s). The Clintons are brining Mark Cuban and Meg Whitman. So both sides are bringing these people to rattle the other side.
200 million eligible voters in this election. 2.5 million votes already cast as of today, 10/19/16.
They are saying that Hillary and Trump genuinely hate each other now and that after the election whoever wins is going to come after the other one. They are also saying that the Al Smith dinner is tomorrow night, where they are supposed to have dinner together and be funny in New York. Now, that should be interesting to watch.
Now they are talking about the school in Nevada where this is all happening. Going over what the Presidential Debate Commission is. Showing the podiums so you can see if they have secret things built into them (they say they don’t allow that, but conspiracy theorists don’t believe them). Personally — and this is me being totally frank — I don’t think Hillary is sharp enough or dextrous enough to be using any secret devices. She would get too confused if someone was saying something into an earpiece or if she had some secret monitor on her podium. One time, Megan Fox and I were at a board meeting somewhere and I had to speak but someone was trying to show me something on a screen as I was speaking…and I just could not do the two things at once. I could not keep talking and focus on what I was saying and then also be listening and understanding this other person. And I am 40. Hillary is going to be 69 in a week. So, she grew up before ANY technology. How the hell could she be this master spy doing all these technological things to cheat? And has her performances been the BEST she could do if she really is a cheater? You call those performances good? I think she was so much better in 2008. She was really funny and got some great punches in at Obama in 2008. I don’t think she’s ever had a really great moment in 2016. Trump has made her look really stupid many times, though.
701pmCT = After this debate, Trump is going to be in the spin room apparently. Also, it looks like Governor Palin is going to be in the spin room too. Have to make sure to watch that. FOX has a livestream up this time too in case CSPAN goes down. I always have several streams ready to go because CSPAN cut out on me once.
This is random, but funny. It goes into how I had such a great time in a gay sportsball bar the other night watching a cubs game and how I think that is a better place to meet guys to date than where I typically meet them (the stand and model bars). This is proof that sportsball really does bring guys together and leads to, at the very least, loud and proud hugging.
707pmCT = So Chris Wallace is talking about how he is going to try not to be an ass tonight like the other debate moderators, who wanted to intrude and interrupt the debates. A moderator is not supposed to be a “fact-checker” like Lester Holt and Anderson Cooper/Martha Raddatz tried to be…where their “fact-checking” was really ways to help Hillary. Chris Wallace is being talked about, where he is being called mischievous. He is sarcastic and has a “gimlet eye,” which is something I’ve never heard of. Chris Wallace is the son of Mike Wallace, who is dead. Chris Wallace says he’s glad his dad is dead because he would try to steal this debate hosting from him. What a weird thing to say. Wouldn’t that make a great movie though? Mike Wallace comes back from the grave to take this away from his son. And then Democrats get him to vote for Hillary before he’s taken back to the cemetery.
Is this the first time that FOX has been allowed to have a moderator at the debates? That’s what CSPAN is saying. The tee-vee lies though, so who knows what is true. That’s weird if no FOX personality has ever been allowed to host a debate before though.
I’m still feeling bad for Chris Wallace that he felt that he could have no peace in life until his father was dead. That his father would want to take anything good from him. That’s really horrible. What a monster Mike Wallace was if that’s true. Dads should want the best for their kids. They should not act like Kronus devouring his children and their favorite things.
716pmCT = This was a weird factoid, but during debate prep for Trump…Chris Christie played Hillary Clinton and Reince Preibus played the moderator. How strange to have Chris Christie play Hillary.
720pmCT = Trump arrives.
Then they have Sexy German Correspondent saying what Germany thinks of this election. He says Germany wants Hillary to win because she will ruin America the way that Angela Merkel ruined Germany. The only good thing I will say about Merkel is that she is so stupid and incompetent that her push for open borders will force Islamic colonization to finally be addressed. She’s caused so much chaos that she’s going to force a huge backlash. And that will be better than just continuing to allow the frog to be boiled slowly. Then they started talking about Russian hackers really being behind WikiLeaks, which I don’t believe. They want to blame everything on Russia. It really feels like everyone is trying to gin up a war with Russia. Maybe they all want this for the global economy. They want a big war for some reason. They want WWIII. Look how many globalists push for that.
This guy Holger Stark says that Hillary was very lucky that the Billy Bush sex tape came out that gave people an excuse not to report on the WikiLeaks documents. He says that was very lucky and good. Whenever German men speak, to me they have this weird way of talking…like you can easily imagine them asking politely to be spanked and telling you in exhaustive detail why they have been so naughty. They use obscure adjectives too: like mighty. “That was a mighty blow” and “that hit mighty hard.” He has been mighty naughty and needs mighty spankings. He just said that Donald Trump is the bully of the world and that the only choice is Hillary Clinton. I never like it when foreigners weigh in on our elections. To me, they should be quiet and do their own thing.
Americans are allowed to say whatever they want though, because we are the best. They should listen to us, do as we say, and like it. This guy says that Hillary should be president because she “went to many countries of the world.” He says that because Trump has not been to as many countries, he should not be president. I’ve pretty much heard enough from this guy and am going to eat pizza for a while. I got it Cleveland-style: pepperoni, green peppers, and onions. Regular crust, not thin. Just like my parents would have ordered it in the ’80s on the rare occasions we got pizza delivered.
Ha! He called Margaret Thatcher “The Ironing Lady.”
He also says “Angela Merkel” like he is saying AHHHNGGG-UH-LAHHHHH. It’s weird. He’s weird. Still kind of hot though.
733pm = 1,000 people at this debate. Here’s Petunia Pig (Meg Whitman):
Who else can we randomly spot? Since it’s Vegas, there are lots of trashy blonde big-chested women in the audience. This is EXACTLY like the first two rows of any event where Bill Clinton is speaking. All his former lovers.
Scott Baio is there! (See part of his head in the middle?)
They were focusing on this guy for a while, so he is either famous or the cameraman’s boyfriend.
Scott Baio visiting with Reince Preibus’ bald spot.
They pack up and relocate this same set over and over again. The way you can tell what clip something is from is by looking at what Hillary and Trump were wearing. More so her. In first debate, she had red. Second debate she had that navy/white pantsuit. Tonight I wonder what she will wear: pink? Gold? I think she should wear like a hot pink color. She looks really commanding in gold, and it’s Vegas. Gold like Elvis jumpsuit. They are now telling everyone to sit down but no one is listening to the robot voice saying “Please take your seats.”
Ted Danson and Mary Steenbergen are there. They have been friends with Hillary since the 1980s. Lynda Carter is also friends with Hillary, though I’ve never seen her at any events. I just thought of it because Carter played the POTUS on an episode of Supergirl recently and she mentioned knowing Hillary since the 1980s. I think all these people know each other because of Linda Bloodworth-Thomas, who was behind Designing Women and she knew Hillary and introduced her to everyone else. I think.
That one guy right to the right of “Presidential Debate” and the clock might be Kareem Abdul Jabar. I thought that old lady with the white hair was Barbara Bush but it’s not. She should go out as Barbara Bush for Halloween though, because she’s already got her costume ready.
Here’s this woman, Janet Brown again. This is the last time we’ll see her for 4 years. She’s saying all the same things she usually says about the production crew doing these debates every 4 years. Everyone should thank them. Etc. I don’t really think any of these people do a good job. I’m sorry. But, the moderators are way too biased and the Commission should not allow that. They need to stop it.
746pmCT = Hillary arrives in a normal car, dressed up like President Snow from Hunger Games.
Remember that tonight Bill said he does not want to shake Melania’s hand or talk to her. First time he didn’t want to touch a beautiful woman. Or any woman.
Why would Hillary want to set this tone tonight? It’s strange. I would have dressed her in either hot pink or gold. Not this getup.
This guy going on and on. Trying to convince us that UNLV is a real school and a good school. He says they have something called a Cocks Pavilion. Should have hosted the 2012 debates. Obama would have loved stopping by the Cocks Pavilion to see all it had to offer.
801pmCT = Chris Wallace told everyone to be quiet now so he can prepare. So y’all shut your traps, folks. He can hear you. You distract him. MUST BE QUIET before The Hunger Games begin!
No cheers, boos, burps, coughs, laughs, etc. he says. So stop it!
805pmCT = They walk out. THEY DO NOT SHAKE HANDS.
Asking about SCOTUS appointments. Is Constitution living document or set?
Hillary: I hate Citizens United. We should not reverse gay marriage or abortion. We need to get rid of Citizens United. SCOTUS should represent all of us. SCOTUS should stand up to the powerful. Stand up to Congress.
Trump: Our country needs the right justices. Notorious RBG is making inappropriate statements. She was forced to apologize. We need SCOTUS to uphold all amendments. It is under siege. I believe Hillary will have 2nd Amendment killed. We need to uphold the Constitution from trauma. I have named 20 of the Justices that I will appoint. Need pro-life and conservative bent. Must protect 2nd Amendment. Need to interpret Constitution the way that Founders wanted. Not about what Justices want to hear. Need Constitution the way it was meant to be.
Open discussion: two issues…1) Guns. Hillary says SCOTUS is wrong about guns. Scalia is wrong.
Hillary: I support 2nd Amendment. I was in Arkansas for all that time and then in NY. There must be reasonable regulation. I support 2nd Amendment but don’t want guns to be used on people. 33,000/year die from guns. Close loopholes. Do background checks. Sensible reforms.
Trump: DC vs. Heller decision, she was very angry at Scalia when it was upheld. She was very upset and angry. Now Scalia is dead. She was upset and angry and now he is dead.
Hillary: I am upset because toddlers get guns. They are in houses with guns. I am not in conflict with common sense regulations. I understand that Donald loves the NRA and whatever and they have ads against me. I want people to come together and say that we will keep 2nd Amendment but lets save 33,000/year lives too.
Wallace: What about right to carry law?
Trump: Chicago has toughest gun laws but more gun violence than anywhere. I am strong supporter of 2nd Amendment. I don’t know if she is sarcastic, but I am proud to have NRA endorsement. Need Justices who feel strongly about 2nd Amendment and won’t damage it.
Wallace: What about those Justices? They do abortions. What do you think about that?
Trump: I am pro-Life. I want pro-Life Justices. If they overturn it, it will go back to the states. If we put 3 Justices on the court, I am putting pro-Life justices on the courts and the states will make a determination.
Hillary: I want women to have abortions. She needs to decide to kill the baby. SCOTUS can’t stop her. So many states want to stop women from killing their babies. They are defunding Planned Parenthood which is where the babies get killed. Trump wants to shut down Planned Parenthood so the abortions can keep going. We have come too far and there are too many more babies to kill. We can’t shut this down until they are all dead.
Wallace: How far does the right to abortion go? You say babies have no rights. Why?
Hillary: Roe v. Wade says women can kill their babies. So long as life and health of mother are taken into account. The kinds of cases that fall at the end of pregnancy are the most painful decisions. I have met with women who killed their babies. Sometimes terrible things happen. I do not think US government should step in and make the most personal of decisions. You need to take the life of mother into account.
Trump: Hillary says that in the 9th month you can go and rip the baby out of the womb of the mother. Hillary says that is okay and that is not okay with me. Based on what she says this is what she wants to do and that’s not acceptable.
Hillary: That’s scare rhetoric. That’s unfortunate. This is one of the worst possible choices for a woman to make and I do not believe the government should make this. In Romania they forced women to have babies. It was terrible. I will stand up agains that.
Trump: No one has business has any business doing this before a child’s birth in 9 months.
Wallace: Immigration is next. Trump you want a wall and Hillary you want the Muslims to all come here. Let’s talk about that?
Trump: She wants amnesty and unfair to everyone who has been waiting in line. We need strong borders. We have children here tonight whose children were killed by illegals. We have thousands of illegals, we have no country if we have no borders. She wants amnesty. Border control has endorsed me. We need to stop all this. We need strong borders. She wants to erase borders. Hillary and Obama cause so many problems. We have drugs pouring across our borders. We have to have strong borders. We have to keep the drugs out. We get the drugs and they get the cash. We cannot get amnesty. We need the wall to stop the drugs, shore up the border. We have some bad drug lords we need to get out. Secure the border and then get to the rest. We need to get the bad hombres out.
Hillary: I bet a girl here in Las Vegas. Her name is Carla. She is worried she will be deported. I do not want to rip families apart. I don’t want a deportation force. We have 11 million illegals and 4 million children, so that’s 15 million Democrat votes we would lose if they left. He wants law enforcement to round people up and then put them on trains and buses to get them out. That is not a good idea. That would rip our country apart. I voted for border security. My immigration plan includes border security. We need to get rid of violent people. Let’s deport violent people. About his wall, he chokes and gets into Twitter wars with people. We are both a nation of immigrants and a nation of laws. I will have path to citizenship in 100 days.
Trump: I met with President of Mexico, whoever that was. We will have better trade deals than NAFTA, believe me. She wanted the wall in 2006. Now, she never gets anything done so it was not built. We are a country of laws….
Wallace: Interrupts Trump.
Hillary: I wanted security with new technology. He started his campaign bashing Mexicans and calling them rapists and drug dealers. He has a different view than me in dealing with immigrants. I want to bring people out of shadows and into the workforce. He uses illegals to build Trump Tower. Then he deports them. He exploits them.
Trump: Obama millions of people have been deported. Moving these people out, either we have a country and a border or not. We have millions of people who did it the right way…it’s unfair to give amnesty to someone who runs across the open border. That’s a disaster. Obama has deported millions of people just the way it is.
Wallace: Trying to interrupt again.
Hillary: This used to be bipartisan. Reagan and Bush liked these ideas.
Wallace: WikiLeaks has you saying that there is hemispheric common market with open trade and open borders. Is that your dream for open borders?
Hillary: I was talking about energy and not immigration. I was talking about energy flowing. WikiLeaks was done by Russian government against Americans. They hack us to influence this election. Russia gives it to WikiLeaks to put on the Internet. Putin did this himself. He is a hacker ninja. Will Donald Trump admit that Russians are doing this and make it clear that he will not have Putin’s help in this election. Will Donald keep encouraging Russians?
Trump: That was a great pivot away from her and open borders. How did we get to Putin? She wants open borders. She wants 550% more Muslims coming in here. We are going to stop radical Islamic terrorism in this country. She wants Open Borders. She wants to fight with Putin. If Russia and US got along well, it would be good to go after ISIS together. He has no respect for her. They have more nukes than us. She is playing chicken. Putin has no respect for this person.
Hillary: You would be his puppet.
Trump: You’re the puppet.
Hillary: No, you’re the puppet. You spout the Putin line.
Trump: You’re the puppet.
Hillary: Putin has a very clear favorite in this race. We never had a foreign government interfere with our elections before. These cyber attacks are coming from the Kremlin. I find it deeply concerning.
Trump: Hillary you have no idea. Our country has no idea.
Hillary: He would rather believe Vladimir Putin than me.
Trump: He doesn’t like Putin because Putin has outsmarted her every way.
Wallace: I am not a potted plant. I get to ask questions. Do you condemn Russia?
Trump: I condemn them or anyone else interfering in the elections.
Hillary: He wants more country to get nukes and why don’t we use nukes? When president gives order it must be followed. 10 people have had that responsibility. They say that it takes 4 minutes to launch nukes.
Trump: I have generals and admirals endorsing me. We are being ripped off by so many other countries. They have the bargain of the century. Our country cannot defend all these places and pay for it. She took that as saying nuclear weapons. She is proven to be a liar in so many ways. This is just another lie.
Hillary: I am just quoting you. You say go ahead and enjoy yourselves.
Trump: And defend yourselves. You leave that out.
Hillary: Alliances make the world safer. You tear things up.
Wallace: I am interrupting again. We are going to move on. Even though you are the candidates and America should hear you speak, I am going to keep interrupting instead. Let’s talk about economy.
Hillary: When middle class thrives, America thrives. Need middle class families to have more opportunities. Need infrastructure and manufacturing. New jobs and clean energy. Create new opportunities and and small businesses. Raise the minimum wage. Get equal pay for women. The same things that I always say but have never been solved in all these years, despite Democrats being in the White House for years and years. I want people to not get college bills because I want to pander to Bernie Sanders voters. We want to take money from the wealthy. He wants trumped up trickle down!
Trump: She’s a disaster. She can say what she wants, but she’s a disaster and she would bring massive tax increases. When I said Japan, Germany, Saudi Arabia…they have nothing but money. Why aren’t they paying? Why isn’t NATO paying? Since I did this, all of a sudden they are starting to pay up. If we’re protecting people, they have to pay up. It’s awfully hard to get them to pay. We can’t just let them not pay. We have $20 Trllion in debt. We are going to have more free trade but we need better deals. Our jobs are getting sucked out of the economy. Look at Florida and Ohio and West Virginia. We need to make a better deal with Mexico or terminate NAFTA. We need to cut taxes and bring about more businesses. Our country is dying at 1% GDP.
Hillary: Let me translate that. He wants tax cuts. I have said that I will not raise taxes on anyone making $250,000 or less and I will not add penny to the debt. He’s going to add more to the debt. When my husband was president we went from deficit to surplus and we were on path to eliminating debt. We need to invest in people and new jobs. People need to get head and keep getting head.
Wallace: I am interrupting again.
Hillary: But I want to talk about Obama inheriting an economic catastrophe from the Bush Administration. Everyone was distraught. Obama saved the economy with hard positions. Hard positions were erected in the Obama White House. Many young men were part of that. We are beginning to see increases in incomes. We will increase jobs and get economy moving and I will do that.
Wallace: I am interrupting some more. This is fun for me. I don’t like letting either of you talk. Let’s talk about energy industry.
Trump: India and China are growing. We are barely growing. We have an anemic terrible jobs report. I should win easily because the jobs report is so bad. We do not make things anymore. Products come in from China and Vietnam. I have gotten to know so many people over the last year. People are crying because NAFTA killed all the factories. It’s horrible what has happened. NAFTA killed everything. Boy are people suffering. Now she wants another one, TPP. She calls it the gold standard.
Hillary: I am saying I am against TPP now during the election. After the election I will be for it. China dumps Chinese steel and aluminum. Trump buys their steel. He has given jobs to Chinese steelmakers and not American ones. We are going to have trade prosecutors and enforce agreements. We want to buy American products.
Trump: She’s been at this for 30 years. Why the hell didn’t you stop any of this for 15 years. You have experience over me but you have bad experience. For 30 years you have done nothing. You talk but you don’t get anything done Hillary. You lost $6 Billion. Did you take it? Was it stolen? If you become president this country will be a mess.
Hillary: I didn’t steal $6 Billion from the state department. I took some furniture but that is it. Now let’s talk about how I used to stuff with kids somewhere and I wrote the book It Takes A Village. I went to China in the 1990s and called Miss Universe an eating machine. He was the host of The Apprentice and I was Secretary of State.
Trump: I built a massive company with great assets worth billions. I started with a $1 million loan and built a phenomenal company. If we could run this country as well as my company even you would be proud. Look at her record in Syria and Libya and what she did to create all the migration to Europe and ISIS. She gave us ISIS as sure as you are sitting there. ISIS is in 32 countries. She will get rid of nobody.
Wallace: Let’s talk about fitness now. Do you like grabbing women by their pussies? Have either of you done that? It’s a question for both of you.
Trump: She did all this. Look at those James O’Keefe clips. She pays people $1,500 to be violent and cause clips. I didn’t do any of these things she says about a woman on the plane. I think her campaign does these things. They are telling people to start fist fights and violence in Chicago. That is on tape started by her. She got these people to do these things. They get 10 minutes of fame and it is all fiction and lies.
Hillary: Donald does things to women. He grabs their pussies. Billy Bush says they grab the pussies. But then he says that the women are not attractive enough to grab. He calls these women disgusting. He goes after their dignity and their self worth. He calls them pigs and slobs. He does these bad things to women. It’s up to all of us to demonstrate who we are and who are country is. We need to expect things from our next president. We don’t want to have the pitting of one person after another. Let’s lift people up. Make our country even greater. America is great because America is good. Make it true now and in the future.
Trump: No one has more respect for women than I do. Frankly, those stories are debunked. And I want to talk about all her fiction that is started by her and her very sleazy campaign. Her emails are where she criminally destroyed 33,000 emails. What happened to the FBI? I don’t know. A general is going to serve 5 years in jail for lying to the FBI. She lies hundreds of times. A 4-star general is going to prison and she gets away with it. You need to be talking about this. Her crooked campaign and her lies.
Hillary: I am allowed to tell lies. That is why I am dressed as President Snow. I am untouchable. He never says he is sorry for anything. He was mean to Rosie O’Donnell. He went after those Muslims, the Khans. He went after John McCain. He went after a Mexican federal judge who is part of La Raza. He has a pattern of dark divisiveness. He encourages violence at his rallies.
Trump: SO sad when she talks about violence. But it’s on tape. She causes the violence. It’s on tape.
Wallace: I am interrupting again. I need attention. Here are some other questions. What did you do in Haiti and why don’t you think it is pay to play?
Hillary: I am happy and thrilled by the Clinton Foundation. We made a lot of money off that. And got away with it.
— All three of them talk at once for a good minute —
Trump: These are Muslims who push gays off buildings and treat women so badly but they give Clinton Foundation money. She takes money from Islamic countries that kill gays. People in Haiti hate the Clintons because of Clinton Foundation. Everyone knows it.
Hillary: We spend 90% of money from Clinton Foundation on us. We have some watchdogs from foundations. Trump foundation bought a portrait of Donald. Haiti is the poorest country in our hemisphere. Bill and I have been doing things to Haiti for years. They had an earthquake and then we went to make it all worse. So that’s why they are mad.
Trump: They don’t want you to help them anymore. The Trump foundation does good things. We put American flags up. Palm Beach tried to stop American flags from being put up.
Hillary: He won’t release his tax returns. It’s troubling that we learned that he has not paid a penny in federal income tax. Half of all illegals in this country pay income tax. We have more illegals paying income tax than a billionaire.
Trump: Our tax laws allow hundreds of millions of depreciation. Her friends all do the same thing. Hillary you should have changed the laws if you don’t like them. You won’t change the law because you take in so much money.
Hillary: You buy Chinese steel.
Trump: You are going to never change anything because you are controlled by Soros.
Wallace: Let’s talk about this election being rigged.
Trump: I will look at the election results at the time. The Media is so corrupt and dishonest. It has poisoned the minds of the voters. People are seeing through this. If you look at your voter rolls, you will see millions of people who are registered to vote that should not be. Corrupt media and millions of illegals. She’s guilty of serious crimes and should not be allowed to run. She should not have been allowed to do this.
Wallace: We have a peaceful transition of power. At end of campaign the loser must concede to the winner.
Trump: I will tell you at the time. I will keep you in suspense.
Hillary: This is all horrifying. He claims things are rigged against him. The FBI said I am innocent. He says the FBI is rigged. He says the primaries are rigged against him. He gets sued and says the courts are rigged against him. He said the Emmys were rigged.
Trump: I should have gotten it.
Hillary: This is not the way our democracy works. We’ve had free and fair elections. When you are whining before a game is even finished then you are not up to the game. I am appalled.
Trump: What FBI did and the Department of Justice meeting on a tarmac in Arizona it is disgraceful. We’ve never had a situation so bad as this.
Wallace: This is getting too troubling for Hillary, so I am interrupting to save her now. Let’s talk about something else.
Hillary: Thank you for saving me. That was uncomfortable. Let’s talk about Kurdish people that no one cares about instead. Syria will remain a hotbed of civil war. We have to go after ISIS from the air and on the ground. Don’t let terrorists buy weapons. I want a no-fly zone and safe havens. Russia, Russia, Russia. Let’s pin it all on Russia.
Trump: Mosul. We had Mosul. Then she and Obama lost Mosul. They told them our plans and then they left Mosul. This is just like that Iran deal that is going to give them nukes. Iran should write us a letter and say thank you very much. We need the element of surprise. They keep outsmarting us. You were there when they took everyone out of Mosul and out of Iraq. Once you were in Iraq you should have never left because the big winner will be Iran.
Hillary: I said the invasion of Iraq was a mistake. Go google Donald Trump Iraq.
Trump: Wrong, wrong, wrong.
Hillary: It matters because he has not told the truth. I did vote for the war. You need to understand all the interplay. Mosul is a Sunni city. It is on the border. We went after bin Laden when you were doing Celebrity Apprentice. There are people digging underground in Mosul. We need to take Mo Rocca. That’s the key. He says people are launching things to help me in this election.
Trump: Iran is taking over Iraq. We don’t gain anything.
Hillary won’t let Trump speak.
Trump: WikiLeaks has Podesta saying terrible things about you. Boy was he right. Bernie Sanders has terrible things to say about you. They say you have bad instincts and poor judgment.
Hillary: Ask Bernie Sanders who is running for president.
Trump: And he is wrong. He’s making a mistake.
Wallace: Let’s ask about Aleppo. You said that Aleppo has fallen.
Trump: Have you seen it? Take a look at it. It’s a catastrophe. The people are being slaughtered because of bad decisions.
Wallace: Who is bombing and shelling Aleppo.
Trump: Aleppo has fallen. Look at what’s happened. Hillary did all this. By fighting Assad of Syria, who turned out to be much tougher and smarter than her and Obama. He outsmarted all of them. She gave Iran bundles of cash as big as this stage. Now, Assad has aligned with Russia and Iran. We are backing rebels but we do not know who they are. When and if they ever do overthrow Assad, you might end up with worse than Assad. If she did nothing we’d be in better shape. She wants to have a Great Muslim Migration. She wants them to come into this country. The Great Trojan Horse. Lots of luck for doing this to us Hillary.
— This was a weird moment, where Trump was really mad…and seemed to be saying that he thinks she will win, because he’s telling her lots of luck as President dealing with the Trojan Horse of Muslims she is bringing in. —
Hillary: I am not going to let in people who are not vetting. I remember a 4 year old with blood on his face and that is haunting. I am not going to turn away women and children. I want to work with American Muslims to identify attacks. That killer in the nightclub in Orlando was born in Queens like Donald. We have to up our game.
— I heard a woman whispering here, around 9:23pmCT. Hillary stopped talking and I heard a woman whispering. Not Hillary’s voice, but some other voice. —
Trump: She says she will defeat ISIS. We should have never let ISIS happen. They had a ceasefire, but during it Russia took over vast swaths of land. We are so outplayed on missiles and ceasefires. Our country is so outplayed.
Wallace: Interrupting again. Let’s talk about debt. Or something.
Trump: Let’s talk about creating jobs. The kind of a country that we once were. We’ve given it all up. We’ve given industry up. We have political hacks making deals. Trade deals are far bigger than companies. We need the greatest negotiators in the world. We have to stop using hacks. Have to stop using people who give her contributions. We will create an economic machine and we need to get people back to work. We need to grow and expand companies.
Hillary: His slogan is Make America Great again. But when was that? He’s been criticizing our government for decades. He criticized Reagan! This is how Donald thinks about himself. That he alone can fix it. If you look at the debt I pay for things. I paid for my lunch at Chipotle that day that I was pretending to be a regular person. I pay for all my many prescription mystery drugs. Don’t ask me what they are. I won’t tell you. We need middle-out growth. The middle class. Invest in you and your families. He have a big disagreement. His dad was a millionaire and my dad made drapes.
Trump: I disagreed with Reagan on trade. I’ve been waiting for years and no one does it right. I want to do it right.
Wallace: There are entitlements. What y’all think of them? Is you serious or what? Everything is running out of money. What say you? This is the final question? President Trump, what would you do?
Trump: I am cutting taxes. Grow economy. Repeal and replace disaster of Obamacare. It is destroying our country and our businesses. Repeal and replace. The numbers that costs us in 2017 is a disaster. It will die of its own weight but look at premiums going up 70% and 80%. She wants to keep Obamacare and make it worse.
Hillary: I am on record saying we need more in social security trust fund. I will raise taxes on the wealthy. That includes Donald if he can’t figure out how to get out of it.
Trump: She is such a nasty woman.
Hillary: Donald’s massive tax cuts will result in $20Trillion more in debt. Obamacare extended solvency of Medicare trust fund.
Trump: Your husband disagrees with you.
Wallace: This is your final time together. You didn’t shake hands, but would you like 1 minute of closing statements? Why elect you?
Hillary: I want to say to everyone that I am reaching out to all of you because we need all of you to help make our country what it should be. May the odds be ever in our favor. I have seen the presidency up close. I have made the cause of children and families my life’s work. I will stand up for families against powerful corporations. I hope you will give me a chance to serve as your president.
Trump: She is raising the money for her campaign from the people who she says she wants to control. That doesn’t work. We take care of illegals better than our vets. Our police are disrespected. Our inner cities are disasters. I will do more for African Americans and Latinos than she can do in 10 lifetimes. We are going to make America strong and great again. It has to start now. We can’t have 4 more years of Barack Obama and that’s what we get with her.
Wallace: I am ending this all now even though I interrupted so much it feels like neither of you ever really got to talk. Because that’s what all these moderators do. They interrupt the candidates.
— NO HANDSHAKE AT THE END —
That Mystery Black Man comes out to go behind Hillary as she enters the crowd. She hugs Meg Whitman. Then goes to greet other people. Then Trump goes to other side of stage to meet up with his family.
At the end of CBS’ coverage, they have Frank Luntz’ focus group, which is always fun:
The focus group says that they don’t like thinking about voter fraud. They do not want to believe it is happening because they like trusting that it is not happening. They said that believing in voter fraud is like believing we did not land on the moon. So, they do not want to believe that voter fraud is a problem…because if they think about voter fraud being real then it scares them that the government is corrupt. They don’t know what to do with that. They like believing that voter fraud can’t be real and don’t want to hear otherwise.
— That’s a wrap! I really want to find the post-debate spin room coverage, but without tee-vee that is hard. I’m going to try but CSPAN is not showing the spin room. So have to go hunt for that and write about it in another post. Thanks so much for tuning in and for reading along with this. I think Trump did better than any GOP candidate in my lifetime. He actually punched hard and talked about the things Republicans are normally so scared to talk about. I don’t think he left anything on the field or in reserve. Which is good. Now it will all be about what the Media does in the next 3 weeks to try to rig things the way they want, like they always do. Let’s see if social media stops that, though.
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