What: FOX News GOP Debate in Sioux City, Iowa
When: Thursday December 15th, 2011
Time: 9pm EST and 8pm CST
Where to Watch: On FOX, or on FOXnews.com for a livestream feed
I’ll be covering this with a live blog transcript when the debate begins. Refresh this page on your browser every 15 minutes while the debate is ongoing for updates to the transcript.
Before the debate starts, let’s take a look at the candidates and where they all stand:
Newt Gingrich: I remember cheering loudly during the last debate when Gingrich spoke the truth about the “Palestinians”. He is the first American politician I have ever heard call the Left out on its decades-long propaganda push against Israel in this way. “Palestinians” were invented in the 1970s because Muslims employ the Alinsky Rulebook as aggressively as the Left in American politics: Muslims know the importance of verbiage and branding. The people called “Palestinians” are really Jordanians who are living on Israeli territory, for the sole purpose of causing endless turmoil for Israelis. The “Palestinians” already have a homeland and nation-state: it is called Jordans, and it is immense compared to the minute swath of arid land the Israelis were left with after Islam’s endless machinations to drive them into the sea and into permanent oblivion after that. By speaking the truth about the “Palestinians” so publicly, I gained a whole new appreciation of Newt Gingrich…a man who had already impressed me much in his prior debate performances. Then I watched the Lincoln-Douglas-style debate he engaged in with Jon Huntsman earlier this week in New Hampshire and I realized that I could listen to Gingrich speak for hours. Of course Barack Obama would find every excuse imaginable to decline a series of Lincoln-Douglas-style debates with Gingrich, but just imagine what the former Speaker would do to the current
pharaoh president if given such an opportunity. I am definitely willing to spend my time phone banking and even canvassing for Gingrich in Iowa in the leadup to the Caucuses.
Michele Bachmann: I am broken-hearted by and disappointed in the way Congresswoman Bachmann has conducted herself during this presidential race. It’s funny, too, because I’m forever accused of being someone who just wants to see a woman as president, since I worked for Hillary Clinton’s campaign in 2008 and remain a committed supporter of Governor Sarah Palin (who made a historic mistake by not running for president in this race, as she’d be the nominee and would have won in 2012 there is no doubt in my mind). I have never supported Bachmann for the nomination, though, despite the fact that I used to believe she’d make an excellent Speaker of the House. Now, however, I’m not sure what I think of her. I still admire her on a personal level for all the immense good she’s done in her life by fostering so many children. I also applaud the passion she brings to the causes she supports. But, what is she ever able to accomplish? In every debate, she spends at least one length of time begging the moderators to listen to her and let her answer a question; they invariably ignore her and move on to someone else, and Bachmann lets them. When she does have a chance to speak, she spends far too much time extolling her own virtues and making claims attesting to her own greatness. I don’t like it when Barack Obama does this, and I don’t like it when Michele Bachmann does it. People who are truly great never have to tell anyone about their greatness; their actions speak louder than words. What has Bachmann contributed to this race? What’s being talked about currently only because she’s talking about it? I can’t think of anything. That’s a crying shame, because the Congresswoman is smart and focused and by all accounts very capable. But she’s too obsessed with tooting her own horn that she just hasn’t managed to make a real impact on this race and instead embarrasses herself and her supporters by begging for attention repeatedly in these debates. I would not phone bank for her and would not spend any time on the ground in Iowa canvassing for Michele Bachmann.
Rick Perry: Governor Perry is also someone who breaks my heart, but with him it’s the incredibly stupid mistakes he and his supporters make on a regular basis. I have friends in Texas who love Governor Perry and a few friends in California who actually know him on a personal level and write me every other day telling me about what a good man he is and how he would sock it to both the Left and the Cocktail Party establishment if he was the President. But, the thing is, Perry comes across as a grade-A doofus in almost everything he does. ESPECIALLY that inane “Strong” ad his campaign ran, complaining about gays in the military. I’m gay. I wish I could have been in the military when I was younger and could have had the chance to serve in uniform…but this is not why this “Strong” ad irks me so much. Perry was a fool for taking a swipe at gays in an ad in which he wore the same jacket as Heath Ledger’s character in Brokeback Mountain. This matters because the “Strong” ad is the most-parodied political ad of 2011 and will be a running joke through 2012 (or as long as Perry stays in this race). I know that many conservatives who’ll read this won’t understand why this matters because instinctively many of you say “I don’t care what the gay community thinks or does”, but you should care about how smart political candidates employ their campaign branding. Image is everything in a world where professional media operatives shape the campaigns, whether conservatives are smart enough to realize this or not. I don’t care if Perry wants to take a swipe at gays because his pollsters tell him that religious conservatives want him to do this in Iowa; so take the swipe, but do it in a smart way that does not lend itself so easily to parody. Do you know how big of ass Michelle Antoinette Obama makes of herself whenever she complains about other people’s obesity in her “Let’s Move!” campaign, but then is photographed eating brontosaurus-sized ribs or massive cheeseburgers with greasy fries somewhere the very next day? That’s how foolish Rick Perry looks taking a swipe at gay people while dolled up in what looks like a Brokeback Mountain Halloween costume. He might as well have been dressed like Liza Minelli in Cabaret, since he’d achieve the same effect. All of this matters because Perry’s supporters aggressively claim that “this is the last stupid mistake he’s going to make, we swear”. That’s what they said when he couldn’t remember the three federal agencies he wanted to eliminate in an earlier debate (which is now a clip that’s gained fame as “the 53 seconds of political doom”). “He’s not going to do anything else dumb, we swear”. But then, of course, the stumbling and bumbling continues. Here’s what I think is really going on: Governor Perry’s back surgery and the painkillers he’s on from that are impacting his communicating abilities more than his campaign’s admitting; I have no doubt his decision-making remains solid and he’s effective in his governing of the state of Texas, but there’s a disconnect currently between his brain and his mouth. I was on painkillers and other prescriptions after several surgeries earlier this year, and I remember having trouble speaking and communicating ideas verbally for a very long time. I also remember how hard it was to hold back the waves of pain that would shoot through my body during moments when I was out in public and didn’t have the option of crumpling to the floor holding my sides, as I would have done if I was at home. I really think that Governor Rick Perry is a good man with a great heart who saw a need for someone conservative to be in this race for the presidency; I also think that Perry stepped in only because Governor Palin decided not to run. Perry didn’t plan on being a candidate, and wouldn’t have been a candidate if Palin or some other conservative would have been in the race from the beginning. He’d still be focused on his recovery from surgery. So, I have to say that I have immense respect for Governor Perry — but that does not excuse his fumbling and bumbling. I understand what’s going on, but don’t think he should be forgiven for it…especially not when the bumbling drifts into taped performances like that “Strong” ad, which was just plain foolish and clearly something Perry should not have approved no matter how many campaign aides told him it was a good idea. I would not phone bank or canvass for Governor Perry so long as Newt Gingrich is in the race; absent Gingrich, Perry would be the candidate I’d support in the leadup to the Iowa Caucus. If he was not fumbling and bumbling, he’d have my support over Gingrich.
Ron Paul & Jon Huntsman: I have to state for the record that the only candidate in this race that has truly passionate supporters is Ron Paul. My good friend Kathleen Gee is a Ron Paul supporter. I don’t know what she sees in this man, to be honest. But I am trying to understand the passion his supporters feel for him because I’m afraid these people will bolt third party when Ron Paul does not become the nominee. The Left and the agenda-driven media are grooming Jon Huntsman to run as a third party candidate a la Ross Perot in 1992. The plan is to convince Huntsman to sink his considerable fortune into a vainglorious vanity campaign that will steal just enough votes from Republicans to squeak Barack Obama into re-election. Huntsman has started parroting a lot of Ron Paul’s talking points. When I watched the Huntsman-Gingrich debate earlier this week, I had to admit that Huntsman comes across very well when you actually take time to sit and listen to him. Huntsman would make a very effective third party candidate in much the same way Ross Perot was effective. Whenever I try to warn conservatives about what’s really happening with Huntsman, I hear people scoff because they say that Huntsman is not interesting or charismatic enough to have a Perot-style impact. That’s why you need to factor the Ron Paul people into this: since so many Paul supporters are so passionate about Paul, I am afraid they are going to be attracted to Huntsman’s Paul-lite shtick and would settle for him as a third party candidate when we reach the point in this process where Paul himself is no longer in the race. Jon Huntsman’s fortune plus the Left and agenda-driven media’s efforts to make him a third party candidate plus disgruntled Ron Paul supporters equal Barack Obama’s re-election, particularly if Willard Mittens Romneycare is the Republican nominee the way the Left is counting on him being. I do not support Ron Paul or Jon Huntsman and think their supporters are being used by the Left and the agenda-driven media to create a third party spoiler effect in the 2012 race.
Rick Santorum: I lived in Pennsylvania for a few years in the early 2000s and Rick Santorum was my Senator back then; I detested the man because of a scandal involving his residency status in the state (where Santorum defrauded Pennsylvania for years by keeping an empty house that he claimed was his permanent residence, though it was unfurnished and had no utilities working; he also used this house as the address for his children’s schooling so he could receive state education money to defray the costs of the long-distance computer learning his brood was engaged in). I have to say, though, that Santorum’s really impressed me during these debates. He has totally redeemed himself in my eyes. I didn’t think that was possible, but I need to give him credit where it is due. But it’s time for him to get off the stage now because he has not contributed anything worthwhile to the proceedings for some time now. He is just taking up space at this point, and preventing us from hearing more out of the four candidates who will ultimately decide this race (Gingrich, Romneycare, Perry, and yes, Paul). I would support Rick Santorum’s run for the Senate again and would also advocate for his inclusion as a Cabinet Member in the next administration. I also want to think of a way to help remove the damage Dan Savage did to Santorum’s good name on Google. Santorum’s debate performances have earned him this redemption.
Willard Mittens Romneycare: I have spent the last week going over in my mind just how different my life would be if I had $10,000 laying around to bet on anything. I wouldn’t have to choose what prescriptions I could fill this month. I could afford to have another of the surgeries I need, but have to put off right now because I don’t have the cash on hand. I could pay the hosting costs for this site for years into the future. I could have some cavities filled, stock the cupboards with food, get a new computer, buy a warmer winter coat, get Christmas presents for all my friends’ kids, and turn the heat up and be toasty warm all winter long. With plenty left over. I have been saying this since 2008 and will keep saying it even though I feel like Cassandra desperately trying to warn the people of Troy about their own coming doom: Willard Mittens Romneycare is the only Republican who is destined to lose to Barack Obama. The reason for this, however, is not class warfare so much as it is race. The reason so many conservatives keep following the Cocktail Party GOP establishment’s lead in pushing Romneycare is that they don’t understand the power of race in Democrat politics. Romneycare is the Left’s chosen opponent for 2012 because he is a classic, manufactured-by-Mattel, Thurston Howard III caricature of the white establishment. He’s a guy in a suit stuffed with $100 bills in all pockets when more people than ever before are having to choose between food on the table and turning the heat on in their apartments. But, he is also the complete embodiment of the rich, white, bland, male that the Cocktail Party GOP establishment chooses to give “his turn” for the party’s nomination. Romneycare could have played the part of “generic Republican presidential contender” in any TV show or movie going back the last 30 years. Race is a big factor in all of this because Democrats are running a black man for president in 2012, and this caricature is the wrong contrast to Obama. Yes, indeed, there will be people in 2012 (just as there were in 2008) who will sit home on election day because they will be afraid of being called a RAAACIST! (even if only inside their own heads) for voting for this caricature of a candidate over Barack Obama, the black man. On top of this, the Left’s and agenda-driven media’s goal is to gin up a racial firestorm once Romneycare would become the official nominee. You saw a little of this earlier in the week when MSNBC jumped the gun and said Romneycare’s words were similar to the KKK’s verbiage in the 1920s. If you’ve ever watched an episode of Law & Order where an attorney says something vile in front of a jury, only to be lightly slapped by a judge who orders the jury to disregard that statement, then you’ll appreciate what Chris Matthews did on MSNBC with his “apology” to Romneycare for calling him a klansman. The lawyers on TV aren’t sorry when they do this in front of a jury because they know a jury will not forget what they said; the same is true for MSNBC. Occupy Wall Street is a political tool being organized by ACORN and the Obama re-election campaign that will be targeted directly at Romneycare if he becomes the nominee. The second punch will come from blacks, who will be revved up against Romneycare once MSNBC begins reporting on “racism in Mormonism”. The two big issues of the 2012 campaign will be “Mitt Romney stuffing his pockets full of money and laughing at poor people and Mormons being racists who think blacks are inferior”. The third punch is the aforementioned Huntsman third party campaign. That is Barack Obama’s only path to re-election. I will continue to speak out against Willard Mittens Romneycare because of all this and will continue doing my level best to warn people of what’s clearly happening; if I should fail and if Romneycare becomes the Republican nominee, I will spend the rest of 2012 trying to warn people just how terrible Obama would be in a second term. I will never campaign FOR Romneycare, but will try to campaign AGAINST Obamacare and the rest of the terrible things this president has done. But, to be honest, I know it will be a losing battle because Willard Mittens Romneycare is the only candidate who is guaranteed to lose to Obama and the only candidate the weapon of race can be effectively used against. Should be become the nominee, I think the Republican Party will be toast after 2012 and that some sort of third party will emerge in the end. Hopefully someone in conservative ranks will emerge between then and 2016 to repair the massive damage that 8 years of Barack Obama caused the nation.
800pm CST: Live from Sioux City Iowa. This is a great livestream. I hope the feed holds out. It’s the strongest stream we’ve had so far. I am not sure how they got the rights to have Howdy Doody moderate it, but that was a nice surprise too.
802pm: Howdy is giving a take on where we stand as a country and going through all the doom that’s in the air right now. Things really are bad, folks.
805pm: They are using the “electability” word. I will say again, Willard Mittens Romneycare is the LEAST electable candidate. Howdy Doody is now saying that Romneycare is more electable. He flat out just said it. He’s dead wrong.
GINGRICH: Merry Christmas. This is a great time to be here and I hope people have a joyous season. I remember when Ronald Reagan in 1979 was called not electable to Jimmy Carter. Reagan had big ideas and big solutions and people said that he is who people wanted to debate Carter. In my series of seven Lincoln Douglas three hour debates Barack Obama will not have a leg to stand on. Remember that Reagan beat Carter handedly. I balanced the budget, I accomplished conservative goals including welfare reform, unemployment down to 4.2%. Pretty conservative. Someone who campaigned with Reagan and Jack Kemp is a conservative. I think people have to watch my career and decide. I worked to create a Republican majority. I am the longest senior teacher in the military, teaching admirals the art of war. I do change when conditions change but I strive for large changes including getting this country on track.
RON PAUL: Well, you know, for the Republican Party this year anyone up here can beat Obama. (Cheers from audience) so the challenge is not all that great since he is beating himself. What do we have to offer? I emphasize civil liberties, monetary policy, and a pro-America foreign policy. I see this philosophy as being electable. It means we should balance the budget. I want to cut one trillion out of the budget the first year.
SANTORUM: I am counting on the people of Iowa to catch on fire. That’s my strategy to win. It will pay off for me. I present a clear contrast between someone with strong convictions and other people. I was a leader once. If you wanted to do things in the Senate, you came to Rick Santorum. Speaker had a revolution against him. I had conservatives knocking on me and asking where the fires were. In my personal life I contrast myself with the president and people like that I have been there and have met with them and they believe in me.
ROMNEYCARE: He claims he is not a politician again, despite the fact that the only reason he’s not in office is because he only one ONE election his whole life (and in fact comes from a family of political losers, with his mother and father losing more elections than they ever won as well).
BACHMANN: Yet again comes across as Rachel Berry from the TV show Glee. She can’t seem to answer a question without tooting her own horn. Why is that? It’s something that alienates her from a lot of people who would love to hear her speak for any length of time without trying to insist she is wonderful.
PERRY: Claims he is going to be the “Tim Tebow” of the Iowa Caucus. The line was stale and rehearsed. Fell flat on the audience and is lost on those of us who do not follow football.
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RON PAUL: Taxpayers went broke. Government sponsored enterprise is not a free market enterprise.
GINGRICH: The term government sponsored enterprise is a wide range with some of them doing a great deal of good. Go across this state and talk to credit unions and co ops, so there are some things that touch government that are good things. There are many things that governments do that are worthwhile. I did no lobbying of the government that peddling any influence.
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BACHMANN: Well, we know that Gingrich cashed paychecks of $1.6million from Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae. There is a big difference between a credit union and Freddie/Fannie. They were the epicenter of the mortgage and financial system meltdown. I WAS TRYING to put them into bankruptcy when the Speaker was taking $1.6 million to influence senior Republicans to keep the scam going in Washington DC. That’s absolutely wrong. We cannot have a Tsar Nominee in the Republican party, someone who continues to stand for Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae. They need to be shut down not built up. (See how she comes off like Rachel Berry? Why does she do this?).
GINGRICH: That’s not true. I did not lobby under any circumstance. I did not go in and suggest they do anything a certain way. When we passed housing reform when I was Speaker I never at any time tried to slow down reform efforts. In fact I helped pass the reform bill. People should have facts before they make wild accusations.
BACHMANN: Well, Politifact came out and said that everything I say is true. The evidence is that Speaker Gingrich took $1.6 million and you do not have to be within the technical definition of lobbyist to still be influence peddling with senior Republicans in Washington, DC to get them to do your bidding. That is something that our Republican nominee cannot stand for. We have to shut down these government enterprises and we have got to end them and it’s shocking that Gingrich is saying that. ( This is not very becoming of Bachmann; she is making herself look terrible tonight. Losing a lot of respect for her).
GINGRICH: I want to state unequivocably for everyone watching tonight: I have never once changed my positions because of any kind of payment. The truth is I was a national figure who was doing just fine doing a wide variety of things like writing books and making speeches and the fact is I only chose to work with people whose values I shared and having people be able to buy a house is still a value that is important in America.
NEIL CAVUTO: Not to make you a target, Speaker, but here’s another question to you. Let’s talk about Paul Ryan and someone else who is talking about making Medicare solvent. Earlier on this might have confused Congressman Ryan, who talks about right wing social engineering. Later on, you back off comments. Can you blame Willard for saying you have a consistency problem on this issue?
GINGRICH: I am not in the business of blaming Willard. I will say it again, a free society should make very big decisions with the support of the people. You can win that support with a communications argument. When you are going to have a major change you need to communicate with the American people to make sure they are with you. We need a bipartisan bill that will work to save Medicare.
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ROMNEYCARE: (Goodness, his voice really sounds so meek, like a kitten wearing mittens on someone’s lap. This is always what strikes me when he speaks). We have a solution to remove the $62 Trillion. This is a big day for our kids and grandkids. We finally have the prospect of dealing with something that has the potential to crush future generations. This is the impact of people on both sides of the aisle who care about America. I applaud it and it is good news.
902PM: Back from commercial break. Hour number two.
Foreign policy question; Iran less than a year away from nukes. Asking what a President Paul would do about this.
RON PAUL: I am running with the American people because I have a much better policy. There are a lot of people at the UN who say that Iran will not have a weapon. It is no different than 2003. There are war propagandas going on and it’s another Iraq. We are going to overreact and bomb Iran. The head of Israeli security says it would make no sense to take Iran out because they might be having a weapon. There is no evidence that they have a bomb. If we lived through the cold war we need to sit back and think and not jump the gun. That’s how we got involved in the useless war in Iraq and lost so much.
RON PAUL: All we are doing is promoting their desire to have one. They are surrounded for geopolitical reasons and they have a desire to get a lot more respect. Look what we did to Libya. We talked them out of nuclear weapons and then we killed them. We have to get things in a proper context and we don’t need another war.
CAVUTO: Iran is talking of closing Strait of Hormuz.
RON PAUL: All we talk about is when the West is going to bomb Iran. So they are saying that if we bomb them we will close the Strait. It would be an economic calamity to take all the oil out of Europe. We need to approach this differently. We need to use a little diplomacy once in a while.
SANTORUM: Iran acts with continuous acts of war since 1979. The IEDs are manufactured in Iran. They are ruled by a radical theocracy. The principle virtue in Iran is martyrdom and mutually assured destruction. Mutually assured destruction with Iran is an inducement to war; their objective is to create a calamity and it is their mission to take on the West and destroy us. They hate us because of who we are and what we believe in. We need to work with Israel and use covert activity to destroy their facilities. We must close them down for them.
ROMNEYCARE: Timidity and weakness invites aggression from other people. With that spy drone Obama says “pretty please” This is a president who believes this is a post-American century. America needs to lead the free world. Obama wants to appease and accommodate tyrants and shrink our Navy. He wants to make America weak and cede the future to China or whomever. A strong military prevents people from trying to test us around the world.
Question about Iraq, with today the official end of war there.
BACHMANN: Biggest mistake Obama has made in foreign policy is with Iraq. He was given victory on a platter and he is choosing intentionally to lose the peace. Iran is going to have the dominant influence in Iraq, and will thus dominate form the Persian Gulf to the Mediterranean through Syria. I have never heard a more dangerous statement from anyone than I just heard from Ron Paul. Iran will take a nuclear weapon and would use it to wipe Israel off the map and look no further than the Iranian constitution which has the mission to extend jihad across the world and set up a global Caliphate. We would be fools and naves to ignore Iran’s ambitions.
RON PAUL: I want to see less nuclear weapons. I don’t want Iran to have a nuclear weapon. To say that all Muslims are the same is dangerous talk. They don’t come to kill us because we are free and prosperous. Why aren’t they killing people in Switzerland. They only want to come and do us harm because we are bombing them. We are begging and pleading to get a drone back but why did we have a drone up there anyway? We have hundreds of bases and all these drones and things and we are totally bankrupt. How are you going to rebuild a military when we have no money? How are you going to take care of people? This wild goal to have yet another war is us overreacting and we only need to go to war with a declaration of war.
BACHMANN: Can I just respond to that? The problem would be that the greatest underreaction in world history if we have an avowed madman who wants to use nukes to wipe a nation off the Earth and we have an IEA report that says Iran is just months away from getting a nuke. This is an IEA report.
RON PAUL: There is no evidence that Iran is enriching things.
BACHMANN: You are wrong and Americans are at risk.
RON PAUL: If she thinks we live in a dangerous world, then she ought to think about 1962 when there were nuclear missiles in Cuba and Kennedy talked Krushchev out of this. We don’t solve problems with war. We only solve problems with a declaration of war and not endless fighting all over the world.
Question to Gingrich on UN, regarding “Palestinians”
GINGRICH: We need to radically reduce our reliance on UN and change role in it. There are missiles being fired into Israel. Most Americans say if you are firing missiles at me, this is not a good gesture. UN camps are training grounds for terrorism. The UN funds textbooks that promote hatred of Israel. The UN bureaucracy is corrupt. It should be fixed or we should reduce what we are paying.
HUNTSMAN: The UN plays some role in peacekeeping but I hate the anti-Americanism and the anti-Israelism. Let me tell you about a Huntsman presidency. We need to change the George Keenan mindset. We need a strategy that recognizes we need to fix our core at home. When we are strong we can promote values, but we need to fix that at home before we can address things overseas. I want a foreign policy driven by economics first. It used to break my heart in Beijing looking at how China won the mining concessions in Afghanistan instead of us.
PERRY: Syria is Iran’s partner. They are attached at the hip. There needs to be no space between the United States and Israel. This is the most muddled foreign policy that I can remember in my lifetime. We need to overthrow the repressive regime in Iran. We need to no longer lead from behind. This president has been begging for the drone back. We should either have destroyed or retrieved it and Obama did nothing.
Cavuto: Let’s talk energy issues now. Let’s talk Keystone Pipeline.
GINGRICH: I sometimes get accused of using strong language. So I have been editing. I don’t want to be zany. But Iran is practicing on how to close the Strait of Hormuz, and Canada is planning on making a straight shoot to Vancouver so China can take that oil there via tankers. And you have Obama killing American jobs and taking American energy and stopping that pipeline…it makes no sense to average, regular Americans. Republicans should attach the pipeline to middle class tax cuts and keep sending it in. If Obama vetoes it, it will be like with Clinton where we had to send welfare reform three times before he would sign it. We are right and Obama is wrong and we should not back down. This delay in pipeline construction is costing thousands of jobs.
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HUNTSMAN: Everything is a balancing act but we need to fuel our future. We have a heroin addiction to foreign oil and the pipeline is methodone. We need to disrupt the oil monopoly. We have more natural gas than Saudi Arabia has oil. We need to convert natural gas to a fuel source. It is within our grasp. We just need to have president who loves gas. We have to go out with an aggressive plan towards energy independence and someone who will get it done.
BACHMANN: What we needed to do with the BP spill is to have a true and truthful investigation of what went wrong, instead of a moratorium that hurt the economy more than the actual spill. The Keystone Pipeline will bring $6 Billion in economic activity. The radical environmentalists threatened not to do Obama’s door to door work, so he put his re-election over the needs of the country. We need to put Keystone online immediately.
Cavuto: asks about tax cuts to oil industry.
PERRY: Today is the 220th anniversary of Bill of Rights. I like the tenth amendment a lot. We have state laboratories of invention. If states want to put tax policies in place that make them competitive, then do it. Texas is the number one wind producing state in the nation. DC should not be picking winners and losers. Terri Branstand in this state of Iowa makes the state competitive. We need 50 states competing for success and have Washington out of their hair.
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NOTE: Ron Paul comes off as completely insane when talking about Iran. Michele Bachmann is right when she says that Iran’s constitution is setup to destroy the world and usher in the Global Islamic Caliphate. THIS is why so many people are horrified by Ron Paul.
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PERRY; Talks about Texas border being unsafe. Country in jeopardy. Islamists will use Mexican border to penetrate the US. Iran has its biggest embassy in Venezuela for a reason.
SANTORUM: I would fire the Attorney General. This stuff should not be going on with the border. We need to pay much more attention to what is going on in this hemisphere. There are direct flights between Iran and Syria and Venezuela. There are assaults on the US being planned between Iran and Venezuela. We need a brand new initiative that will promote our values in this region and we need to stop the spread of terrorism in this hemisphere.
Megan Kelly: asks about illegal aliens
ROMNEYCARE: We need an ID card for people who come here legally. People can show that card to EVerify or another system. Let Mastercard or VISA process that and determine it is valid or not. If the employer hires that person they would have sanctions if that person is not legal. Ultimately illegal people need to get in line behind everyone else. People who come here illegally must get in line at the back of the line. I want legal people to come who follow rules not line jumpers.
GINGRICH: Steve King wants the IDEA ACT, that would take away all tax deductions for people who hire illegals. People who are here for 20 years are a separate matter. On Day One I would drop all lawsuits against states who are trying to enforce immigration policy. I would defund all federal aid to sanctuary cities. I would take away the incentives for breaking the law.
HUNTSMAN: The presidential candidate does not need to pander. In terms of immigration, no one is coming anymore because there are no jobs and no opportunities. Let’s not lose sight of the fact that legal immigration is an engine of growth. Half of Fortune 400 companies have been founded by immigrants. We need to remake the way people move back and forth. This is an economic development opportunity.
Chris Wallace questions are up now, asking Romneycare about flip flopping for political advantage.
ROMNEYCARE: Well, I take exception, because I am firmly in support of gay rights but I also oppose gay rights at the same time. With abortion, I say I want to keep pro-choice laws because I am pro-choice but then people said that there are embryos being made to take human lives so I vetoed a bill about that and now I am pro-life and I am firmly pro-life until over time when I will be pro-choice when I need to correct myself. I don’t recall the whole list of things I have done, but I sometimes support the second amendment and I also support bans on guns and I will be pro gun until I stop being pro gun and start being against guns.
I do not discriminate against people based on sexual orientation. I believe as a Republican I should fight for anti discrimination more than Ted Kennedy. I oppose same sex marriage because marriage is a relationship between a man and women.
SANTORUM: When Willard was governor of Massachusetts, there was a court decision that made same sex marriage legal. The court gave the legislature a time period to go along with this or change the law, and Willard chose to order people to issue gay marriage licenses. Willard issued gay marriage licenses. I had a no discrimination policy back in my office in the Senate.
ROMNEYCARE: Everyone in Massachusetts indicated that same sex marriage is required so that’s why we did that. I tried to put an amendment in place to make marriage a relationship between a man and women but that did not work and so I want to make it very clear because I champion traditional marriage until I get corrected and I feel that deeply until I don’t.
BACHMANN: The Republican Party should not get the issue of life wrong. Speaker Gingrich chose not to defund Planned Parenthood. Partial birth abortion is barbaric. George Will once asked if it was a virtue to tolerate infanticide. This is a seminal issue we cannot get wrong. I am 100% pro life from conception until natural death.
GINGRICH: Sometimes Bachmann does not get facts accurate. I have a pro life voting record. Some people did not like the welfare reform bill but that had nothing to do with conception. I think there is a challenge to what happens to embryos, which are a life. I am against embryo experimentation because they are life.
BACHMANN: Can I speak? I don’t get my facts wrong. It’s outrageous that I don’t have my facts right when I do. I am a serious candidate and my facts are accurate. ( Here comes the Rachel Berry in her again…demanding attention and grandstanding for herself…she does herself no favors in this).
GINGRICH: I don’t see how you can govern the country by running around trying to purge people. I have consistently opposed partial birth abortions and I would like to eliminate abortion as a choice and would fund adoption not abortion centers to give women the choice of life.
[ Someone in audience tried to interrupt the debate and was shut down ]
Question about Ronald Reagan 11th commandment lie and not speaking bad about other Republicans
SANTORUM: We need to vet the candidates. We need to stand up and find who has the best record. Let me assure you the other side is going to kick very hard so we need someone who can fight and win presidency.
PERRY: Actually the Republican Chair and not Reagan himself said that. If you don’t get your tail kicked you are not playing at a high level.
ROMNEYCARE: President Obama is going to have a billion dollars to come after me in the general election and it is really president Obama we need to talk about.
GINGRICH: If you look at my ads and websites and while I correct attacks on me, I do not attack others. These are all friends of mine and any of these folks would be better than Obama. Our only opponent is Obama. Beating him is what we collectively have to do.
RON PAUL: Exposing opponents to flip flops is what we have to do. The media is not doing its job. It’s a responsibility to us. I don’t like demagoguing and distortion.
BACHMANN: Ronald Reagan brought clarity to his primaries and to his opponents. Remember when he asked if we are better off today than we were four years ago under Jimmy Carter? I would be the best one to do this who is on this stage (*because I am the Rachel Berry of this race).
HUNTSMAN: I worked for Reagan. We need more trust. We need this kind of debate over time to elevate the trust level on whomever is the nominee and that will allow us to debate Barack Obama.
— End of Debate —
January 16th is the next debate in South Carolina on FOX (but it’s not the next debate itself….just the next FOX debate).
POST DEBATE COVERAGE ON FOX:
I have no idea who any of these people are on “Campaign Confidential”.
Claim this is unlike any debate they have seen before: careful, cautious, and earnest process. Caucuses are so close, stakes so high, nation in such turmoil. We got a lot of listening and most substantive debate so far.
The talking heads are saying the audience was paying close attention.
Talking heads are going out of the way to praise Romneycare, and are calling it “his strongest debate performance”
That’s all of this I can stomach so I am not going to listen to any more of this post-debate stuff.
Because the live feed kept screwing up for me, I’m going to have to wait until this debate is archived and FOX has it available to listen to again so I can get the missing parts.
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