James Manning Interviews Doug Vogt on What Happened at Obama Eligibility Hearing on January 26th, 2012
Interesting stuff.
I believe the reason Barack Obama has spent so much time and money hiding his vital records is because his name was legally changed in the 1970s to “Soetobakh” upon his adoption by his step-father Lolo Soetoro. Indonesians don’t have last names, so the stepfather’s first name is actually “Soetoro”. “Lolo” is a nickname he uses. When Indonesians come to the West and have to conform with our immigration documents, they usually put their real name down as the last name and they write their nickname as their first name. It’s incredibly confusing.
When it comes to Obama, he stopped being “Barack Hussein Obama” legally the moment he was adopted by Lolo Soetoro. He was then given a new name, which was “Soetobakh”. I’ve seen this spelled a few different ways, so chime in if I’ve gotten it wrong here — as I said, it’s all very confusing. His nickname was “Barry” and it looks like he kept using that while in Indonesia. On official records, the man who is now known to you as Barack Obama was legally recorded as either just “Soetobakh” or “Barry Soetobakh” or “Barry Soetoro” from the 1970s on.
Obama never went through the legal process of changing his name back to “Barack Hussein Obama” from “Soetobakh” after the adoption. If he had, there would be newspaper notices (as legally required) documenting the change back to his original name.
Through the years, Obama used different names depending on what got him the most financial aid or other perks when he filled out different forms for school. Sometimes he used his Indonesian name, and sometimes he wrote down that his father was Kenyan and his name was “Barack Hussein Obama”. It’s pretty clear to me that he got into Columbia and then Harvard Law as an Indonesian — and benefited from those schools’ aggressive push to diversify their campuses with a foreign student from Indonesia.
When he got into politics, all of this became a big headache for the Democrat Party because Obama never legally changed his name back after his adoption and the actual, legitimate birth certificate that’s under seal for him in Hawaii reflects his adoption name of “Soetobakh”.
That’s why these fake birth certificates were created, so that the Democrat Party could try to put this issue aside and never get into the details of it all.
It’s going to be decades into the future before people finally admit what was done to hide Obama’s vital records. The reason his college transcripts won’t be released until after he’s out of the White House is because the transcripts would show that he used his Indonesian name to gain admission and generous financial aid.
David Axelrod personally and deliberately started the whole “birther” movement because he needed a way to make anyone talking about this stuff seem nuts. Just watch, in comments below someone will start up about “but he’s not a natural born citizen!”. These people fall right into David Axelrod’s hands. There is a reason Obama has been hiding his real vital records and it’s the issues that arose with the adoption. To keep those issues from ever being explored, Democrats revved up the emotional craziness of the “birthers” so that they could always dismiss any talk about the birth certificate as “coming from crazy people”.
It’s amazing how people don’t even realize anymore when they are being played by the Democrat Party.
A more relatable example of all this is if you had water dripping into your bedroom. The cause of the dripping is a broken pipe somewhere, but your landlord doesn’t want to go to the massive trouble of finding the pipe and fixing it. So the landlord, to avoid that mess, starts a rumor that you believe monsters live in the attic and are drooling on you. Whenever people start hearing you talk about water dripping, they tune you out because they think, “There she goes, claiming monsters are drooling on her again!”. No one will listen to you because it’s been set up that you are a nut, and you get so frustrated and emotional when you talk about the water dripping that you confirm for many people that you are nuts (since you are doing what the landlord said a crazy person would do). Meanwhile, the pipes are never fixed because the landlord expertly deflected the leaking pipe issue by setting the meme that talking about water dripping is the same as believing in monster drooling.
Keeping the truth about the 1970s adoption and Obama’s name change concealed is perhaps the greatest political stunt ever committed — and it won’t be fully talked about for many, many years. David Axelrod is a slimeball with a porn star mustache, but man alive was he an unsurpassed genius when it came to handling this issue for Obama.
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A campaign could be organized to force the release of Virginia Sunahara's birth certificale.
It may be the key to exposing the whole "Obama" identity fraud, and her story is heartbreaking.
Can you tell us more about Virginia Sunahara?
Check this link, Kevin. Or this one, which has a 5-minute video interview with her brother. Will bring you up to speed faster.
"Soebarkah", not "Soetobarkah".
Kevin, I must disagree with you here. The "Natural-born" issue is still to this day a very valid one. Where the "birthers" ran off the cliff was by insisting that Obama was born in Kenya and not Hawaii, as well as other nonsense such as Ann Stanley not being able to confer legal citizenship to her son because she as at the time legally a minor. Had they conceded his place of birth was Hawaii and that he was a native born citizen the argument of "Natural-born" could not have been ignored and would have forced the country to have a discussion of what qualifies one as "Natural-born". The founders used the term deliberately. Natural-born as defined in Common Law and as it was understood as the time of the Constitution's adoption meant that both parents, not one, both, had to be citizens in order for their offspring to be Natural-born. Having only a citizen father, or as in the case of Obama, only a citizen mother meant that if you were born on American soil you are only a native born citizen. Obama is a native born citizen, but he is not a Natural-born one. And he thus ineligible to be President. That is the one and only point that the birthers should have made over and over; ignoring the birth certificate and all the other nonsense.
Tarnsman —
The natural born thing might be a valid issue — but it’s politically stupid to push it when it’s used as a way for Democrats to block the inquiry into the adoption name change.
Republicans are so penny wise and pound foolish about things. Axelrod wanted the adoption name change hidden and started the birther stuff so that anyone talking about this will be shouted down. That keeps the adoption name change hidden. When you go on about the natural born citizen stuff you need to understand that the public has been conditioned not to listen to you. No matter how loud you shout, what you say will fall on deaf ears. So drop it.
Instead, talk about the adoption name change — which the public has not heard about. They are not conditioned to automatically tune you out. Talk about this, and get people interested, and after he gets exposed and busted on this then in the future you can go back to talking about the natural born citizen stuff and how valid it is.
It’s called politics. People who refuse to strategically chose what to talk about and when just fall right into Democrats’ hands.
"Politically stupid" or not, it's an important constitutional issue.
Unfortunately, the Republicans have little use for following the "natural born" requirement either, as their golden choice for VP becomes ineligible as well.
Did you catch the segment where Joe Farah stunned Hannity into silence about it? Quite funny – both Hannity and Bob Bechel just sat there for a couple beats, then couldn't change the subject fast enough. When those two are agreeing on something…
Aside: Just because some people are concentrating on the "natural born" thing, and some on the "school records/adoption" thing, doesn't mean that either group is wrong or useless. Both ventures are worthwhile and the two groups really need to stop taking shots at the other… Push on both fronts at the same time!
@Tamsman: Correct – he's obviously not natural born. The thing is that with the adoption (and if he claimed Indonesian in school applications), he might not even be an American citizen of any type. Wouldn't that be something?
The problem is that the people who go on about the “natural born” stuff miss the forest for the trees: they suck all the oxygen out of the room with their screeds over this…which makes the public tune out so that no one ever has a chance to hear about the adoption issue and the name change.
Put this way, it’s like a company picnic with a buffet line. The “natural born” people belly up first, and pile their plates high with everything they can grab…so people who realize the adoption/name change issue is what will really bring Obama down get to the chafing dishes and everything’s empty.
Replace food with “media attention”, “the public’s attention span”, and “credibility factor” and you have what’s happening. The people who want to go on about the natural born citizenship stuff have had several years at the head of the buffet line and they’ve not made any progress with their case. They need to stand back and let those who want the adoption/name change situation explored in public have a chance in the spotlight for a while.
The funny thing is, if they did that, and if the public would start looking into the adoption/name change issue and would start to see that Obama WAS indeed hiding something huge…that suddenly there’d be a wellspring of new support to look at the natural born citizenship issue.
Pigheaded, tin-eared, selfishness on the part of those in the “natural born” citizenship camp prevents any of this from happening because they want to keep their place at the front of the buffet chowing down.
Fair enough. I agree that the adoption/school records stuff should be heard as well. Just saying that the two groups are fighting each other a little more than I'd like. Plenty of food at the table for both!
Unfortunately, it's up to "us" to do that over the 'Net, as the Hannity clip shows that nobody in the MSM is going to touch any of it (Fox included).
One other random thought – part of the problem is that Leo Donforio comes across much more professionally writing about the NBC stuff than Orly Taitz does for the rest of it. Orly means well but she has a real problem complying with court procedures, and that's not helping anything.
She had a great presentation in the Georgia hearing, but she had to be "talked down" by the judge on multiple occasions.
If Soetoro attended Occidental college as an Indonesian, it means he had legally renounced his US citizenship if he ever had any, as Indonesia does not tolerate dual nationality.
There is no evidence that he was naturalized a US citizen afterwards, but a naturalized citizen cannot be eligible for President according to Art II of the Constitution anyway.
And running under a false identity is election fraud. As a consequence, "Obama" definitely belongs in jail and not in the White House, whatever we ultimately may learn about his true identity.
I will never forget James Manning during the 2008 campaign referring to Soetero as the "long-legged mackdaddy." He was trying to warn his listeners.
This expert, however, I fear has blown his credibility and provides a feast for political fodder. By going beyond his expertise and getting into the law and history of that law and punishment for breaking said law is a strong indication that he has a political motivation. He should stick to the facts of his findings and leave the political and legal implications and ramifications to experts in those particular fields.
This guy would never survive a Daubert challenge if he testified beyond his expertise such as he did in this interview, and that likely will cause the judge to rule against this challenge to BamBam's eligibility unless the other evidence and arguments outweigh what this guy proffered. I was not able to live stream during the hearing, so I do not know if he did. But the way he kept interrupting Rev. Manning in order to make his political and legal points cause me to wonder if Orly was able to keep her own expert witness focused.
I keep waiting for a ruling by the judge. The longer he waits, the more I lose hope.
I see it as more serious than a political ploy, it was the deliberate effort to deceive the American people and obtain something he had no right to. We're talking corruption and felonies here.
I also think they won't release his transcripts because he likely was an academic failure, and pushed through by affirmative action.
Not to mention the Saudis getting him into Harvard. During the 2008 campaign, I saw that video interview of the Saudi who said he was contacted and asked to pull strings to get Barky into Harvard.
Virginia Sunahara was a poor little girl of Japanese origin who was born on August 4, 1961 in Honolulu, the same day "Obama" was allegedly born, and died from breathing complications one day later.
In his interview, Douglas Vogt expresses the conviction that Virginia's birth number was the one used by the forgers of the April 27 alleged "Obama birth certificate", and that is why the Department of Health in Honolulu is denying her brother a copy of the original, long-form birth certificate, under a recently passed regulation or, rather, apparently illegal bureaucratic practice, of denying people a copy of their long-form birth certificate and giving them an printed extract of the alleged information instead.
That practice was first introduced in 2009 to prop up the transparent lie that long-form birth certificates could no longer be obtained in Hawaii, a lie which "Obama" used to deny access to such document until he had a forgery thereof made, and released on April 27, 2011 to forestall the predictable impact of Dr Corsi's book "Where is the Birth Certificate?" which purports to prove that he was born in Mombasa, Kenya.
Now such an administrative practice is apparently used to deny inquirers the means to prove the "Obama" fraud by comparing the forgery's registration number with that of Virginia Sunahara,
in the same way as the Social Security bureaucracy denies access to the application for "Obama"'s Social Security number 042-68-4425 from Connecticut where he never resided, which should be available since databases indicate that said number was attributed in March 1977 to a person now deceased (born in 1890) — which means that "Obama" cannot have obtained it legally.
(See the Susan Daniels interview after the Atlanta eligibility hearing on January 26, 2012 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meYvmH6QpOw&fe… )
The best evidence that "Obama" cannot be legally "President" on account of his father being a foreign national at his birth is found in Leo Donofrio's "Amicus brief" to the Atlanta administrative court in January 2012 http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/2012/01/2…
A recension of the multiple identity fraud committed by Soetoro AKA "Obama" as evidenced by administrative databases and expert testimonies is found in Dr Taitz' Summary of Law and Fact submitted on February 1, 2012 to judge Malihi
(her construction of Art II natural born citizenship leaves to be desired; there is not even an appearance of contradiction between Minor (1875) and Wong (1898), which even quotes Minor on the issue without a hint of criticism.) http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/wp-content/uploads/20…
"Obama" is guilty of numerous felonious crimes, here’s the statute for counterfeiting.
TITLE 18–CRIMES AND CRIMINAL PROCEDURE
PART I–CRIMES
CHAPTER 25–COUNTERFEITING AND FORGERY
Sec. 494. Contractors’ bonds, bids, and public records
Whoever falsely makes, alters, forges, or counterfeits any bond, bid, proposal, contract, guarantee, security, official bond, public record, affidavit, or other writing for the purpose of defrauding the United States; or
Whoever utters or publishes as true or possesses with intent to utter or publish as true, any such false, forged, altered, or counterfeited writing, knowing the same to be false, forged, altered, or counterfeited; or
Whoever transmits to, or presents at any office or to any officer of the United States, any such false, forged, altered, or counterfeited writing, knowing the same to be false, forged, altered, or counterfeited–
Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 711; Pub. L. 103-322, title XXXIII, Sec. 330016(1)(H), Sept.13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)
(a) Whoever–
(1) falsely makes, forges, counterfeits, mutilates, or alters the seal of any department or
agency of the United States, or any facsimile thereof;
(2) knowingly uses, affixes, or impresses any such fraudulently made, forged, counterfeited,
mutilated, or altered seal or facsimile thereof to or upon any certificate, instrument, commission,
document, or paper of any description; or
(3) with fraudulent intent, possesses, sells, offers for sale, furnishes, offers to furnish, gives
away, offers to give away, transports, offers to transport, imports, or offers to import any such
seal or facsimile thereof, knowing the same to have been so falsely made, forged, counterfeited,
mutilated, or altered, shall be fined under this title, or imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both.
(b) Notwithstanding subsection (a) or any other provision of law, if a forged, counterfeited,
mutilated, or altered seal of a department or agency of the United States, or any facsimile thereof, is–
(1) so forged, counterfeited, mutilated, or altered;
(2) used, affixed, or impressed to or upon any certificate, instrument, commission,
document, or paper of any description; or
(3) with fraudulent intent, possessed, sold, offered for sale, furnished, offered to furnish, given away, offered to give away, transported, offered to transport, imported, or offered to import, with the intent or effect of facilitating an alien’s application for, or receipt of, a Federal benefit to which the alien is not entitled, the penalties which may be imposed for each offense under subsection (a) shall be two times the maximum fine, and 3 times the maximum term of imprisonment, or both, that would otherwise be imposed for an offense under subsection (a).
(c) For purposes of this section–
(1) the term “Federal benefit” means–
(A) the issuance of any grant, contract, loan, professional license, or commercial license
provided by any agency of the United States or by appropriated funds of the United States; and
(B) any retirement, welfare, Social Security, health (including treatment of an emergency
medical condition in accordance with section 1903(v) of the Social Security Act (191 U.S.C.
1396b(v))), disability, veterans, public housing, education, food stamps, or unemployment benefit, or any similar benefit for which payments or assistance are provided by an agency of the United States or by appropriated funds of the United States; and
(2) each instance of forgery, counterfeiting, mutilation, or alteration shall constitute a
separate offense under this section.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 714; Pub. L. 103-322, title XXXIII, Sec. 330016(1)(K), Sept.
13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147; Pub. L. 104-208, div. C, title V, Sec. 561, Sept. 30, 1996, 110 Stat.
3009-681.)
The most important aspect of your theory, Kevin, is that to live in Indonesia at the time O and his mother would have had to be indonesian citizens, and if adopted by Lolo he would have been also. We do not allow dual citizenship and of course he didn't just not change his name, he never became a US citizen again after that.
He is ineligable in SO MANY WAYS!!
Kevin, your theory makes sense and so does the theory that he was born in Kenya. Dr. Jerome Corsi has been working on this for years. It appears "Barry's" birth records were destroyed. The simple fact is we don't know. I agree with you, though, Kevin, that the Republicans will screw up any way to deal with this, especially Mittens. Mittens is stupid, but he knows not to touch this,
Great discussion!!!!! Only one comment from me–I do NOT believe Barry ever attended Columbia. Back during the 2008 election some network (FOX??) did a story and couldn't find one person who even remembered him.
I have read somewhat convincing arguments that Barky was actually in Russia during the "Columbia" years. Supposedly people in Russia remember him.
Here's a story addressing the Russian connection:
http://www.thepostemail.com/2010/05/18/report-for…
Obama's eligibility to be on the ballot in the state of Illinois is being challenged. The hearings are being held TODAY in Chicago. There are 3 separate challenges. One of them is also challenging Romney's NBC status.
Challenging Romney's status? On what grounds?
My understanding is that Romney's parents were both citizens when he was born. His father was naturalized instead of natural-born (born in Mexico?), but that's ok as he was naturalized before the current candidate was born.
Note that this is NOT the case for Sen. Rubio…
There is no evidence at all that "Obama" was born in Hawaii, on the contrary: when you ask Kapi'olani hospital in Honolulu whether they intend to commemorate in some way the "President's" alleged birth there, they threaten to call the police unless you leave.
In order to push the theory that the whole "Obama" coverup was intended to hide embarrassing origins ("the son of Malcolm X") or an actual name of "Barry Soetoro-Soebarkah" which is known by all and much more offensive than "Barack Hussein Obama", you would have to ignore not only the lack of evidence to that effect but also the circumstantial evidence of a Kenyan birth, as established by Dr Jerome Corsi who did investigate in Kenya, and the scientific principle that the simpler the theory is, the better.
And the simpler theory, and the only consistent with the totality of established facts, is that "Obama" was never eligible and is not legally "President", both because his putative father was a foreigner and he was not born in the United States, and possibly also because he chose Indonesian citizenship over whatever US citizenship he might have had when he could legally do so.
And the alternative theories, suggesting that he might have been natural born but got elected under a fraudulent identity, also make him a criminal usurper of the White House, if for different reasons.
Because of the Indonesian adoption, I've always thought that the real reason the oath of office had to be administered twice, the second time in secret, was that BHO is not his legal name, that it's Barry Soetoro or some variant thereof. Admitting that would have shown Obama to be a fraud. Probably Roberts went along with this farce to avoid a constitutional crisis and/or riots. (But whatshisname's also not natural born.)
my question is "why?" WHY WHY WHY?! why did they push this guy? what makes him so freaking special that all this fraud and illegality was commited just so he could be president? wasn't there anyone else who was just as qualified AND legal contender to screw up america? why all the coverup- why all the lame cya- why any of this?
Khemo the reason WHY is……….a truth citizen of America would NEVER be willing to destroy it the way this foreign guy has…….Obama has no true affiliation with America, so he doesn't care about what he is doing to the country.
but why would "americans" push him this hard?