Giving credit where credit is due: Dr. Utopia chooses his own opponent for 2012 = John Huntsman
When we met Michael Steele last month, one of the things we told him is that Democrats and the MSM pick Republican candidates they want to run against. Moderate Republicans do not win national elections. Normally, we’re thrilled when the GOP allows weak, fatally-flawed Republicans to run against Democrats — when those are Democrats we like and want to win. Here in Chicago, the GOP backing crazed loon Rosana Pulido in the 5th Congressional race in March against good-guy Mike Quigley was marvelous. It was the Pulido Generals versus the Quigley Globetrotters, and things went down just the way you’d expect in exhibition, high-styling, guest-starred in an episode of Scooby Doo!, basketball.
But, this isn’t so funny when Republicans select candidates who will clearly lose to bad Democrats…or to flat-out SOCIALISTS.
We THOUGHT the GOP would learn its lesson and not allow the Democrats and MSM to pick Dr. Utopia’s 2012 opponent, but this is exactly what’s happening, people.
And we have to give credit where it is very, very much due because the way they are going about this is perfectly executed and in complete control of all the casual news-readers out there who have no idea they are being played.
Bobby Jindal and Charlie Crist are repeatedly held up by the MSM as two leading contenders for the GOP’s nomination in 2012. Because both of them will lose to Dr. Utopia (Jindal, because he is neither a remedy to Dr. Utopia nor an opposing narrative to his own and Crist, because he is orange, for one, and because of what he used to get up to at the Green Iguana in Tampa, for two, three, and cha-cha-cha).
Read the Redstate piece as it details how John Huntsman has been engineered by Democrats and the MSM, with McCain’s help, to become the Republican nominee in 2012.
Honestly, if Republicans are stupid enough to nominate a moderate two elections in a row, then the GOP deserves to self-implode as a party; if Americans really are stupid enough to give Dr. Utopia a second term, in which he would at last be able to reveal himself for who he truly is and revel in an absolute radical leftist agenda free of any elections to defeat him and anything on Earth to stop him, then maybe America itself deserves to implode and end under him. Because, at that point, we would indeed just give up. We did our part. We sure as Hell tried to stop this. And we will surely turn out the lights as we leave.
Because the warning signs on all of this are as clear as day. The only thing restraining Dr. Utopia today is the fact that he needs, at the very core of his being, to win that second term. Every day, he is campaigning for that, because losing the presidency like Carter or Bush Sr. would quite possibly destroy this egomaniac. Republicans are out there doing whatever it is they do all day, but Dr. Utopia is plotting and scheming with Axelrod, Emanuel, and Co. for that second term.
They know full well Hope! and Change! won’t work a second time around, and that in 2012, nothing will have changed in this country, except for the worse. By 2012, the wild inflation caused by Dr. Utopia’s reckless spending will whallup us all, and all of the new social programs germanated by the Trillions in spending he’s forced through Congress will still be sucking more tax dollars from states and local government, forever needing more infusions of cash from the feds to stay afloat. Unless Dr. Utopia REALLY IS the light-bringing miracle worker his followers believe he is, we are going to be in seriously bad shape in 2012.
Which means, the way Dr. Utopia wins a second term is to run against Jindal, Crist, or Huntsman, with Hunstman’s fatal flaw being the fact that he’s even more moderate than John McCain — and McCain is a Republican we, as Democrats, love but whom we, as Democrats who do not support Dr. Utopia’s socialist agenda, do not want to see hand-pick his successor as GOP nominee.
The one hope we have in all of this goes back to that conversation during the Pride Parade last year we had with Log Cabin Republicans in Sidetrack’s here in Boystown. Remember, those guys told us they did not want McCain to win because he was too moderate, so they were going to let Dr. Utopia become Carter Part Deux so that a new Reagan could emerge, and a true conservative candidate would be the 2012 nominee.
The media keeps pounding and pounding and pounding a drumbeat that the Republican Party is dead, with TIME magazine featuring an “endangered species” elephant on its cover and Arnold Schwarzenegger braying that the party needs to move left to survive.
Well, moving to the center didn’t win you 2008…and it won’t win you 2012. When something does not work out well for you, you do not do more of it. Dummies.
This push for Hunstman, Jindal, and Crist also, you may have noticed, remains in coordinated concert with daily efforts to malign, berate, and nuetralize SARAH PALIN, the one person we see in the GOP field who will indeed defeat Dr. Utopia and send him packing to Hawaii (because we also don’t believe, once defeated, he’ll be coming back to Chicago…it will be Honolulu all the way, baby, from then on, where his presidential library will also indeed be, Mayor Daley be damned). Mitt Romney will also lose, we believe, and that’s hard for us to say because we like Romney and have many Romney supporters as friends, but he won’t win.
Sarah Palin will win.
But, will she run remains to be seen. Honestly, the MSM is doing a very effective hit job on her, with talking points from the White House itself. Many Republican diaper-babies we know cry, “She can’t be the nominee! They will attack her! They will make her into a joke! A woman can’t be the nominee because Tina Fey will make fun of her!”. Well, in this Golden Age of Hope, there remains the possibility that Tina Fey could acquire crippling laryngittis in 2012 (or possibly realize that she, a feminist, might not want to be the poster woman for trying to take down the first female presidential nominee of either party…but would Fey respond to Palin with gender motivation the way racists like Colin Powell jumped aboard Dr. Utopia’s snake oil bandwagon? That too remains to be seen).
Why the diaper-babies believe Palin is the only GOP nominee the media would savage is beyond us. The MSM will do everything it can to destroy whomever the GOP puts out there. By 2012, most media outlets will be under tacit government control, as the lurch towards nationalizing them under Dr. Utopia has already begun (The New York Times as a 501C3 nonprofit, with tax-free status? Really? And as a beneficiary of Dr. Utopia’s largesse in this way, don’t you think they would be EVEN MORE inclined to do the White House’s bidding?). Jindal, Crist, and Huntsman are all paper tigers set up early so they will be in place to tear down in another round of glorious, leg-tingling, celebrated speechifying come the 2012 campaign.
Meanwhile, in Alaska, we have a real life Momma Grizzly who is head and shoulders above the paper tiger men who share the hypothetical field with her. Men, in many ways, we feel don’t hold the slightest candle to her.
And that’s why Sarah Palin remains target number one, while mouth-breathers like Hunstman, Jindal, and Crist are lavished such praise by Dr. Utopia’s determined supporters…and yet, Republicans apparently don’t make the connection that nominating someone the White House and the MSM wants Dr. Utopia to run against might just be a bad thing.
It’s more than a little depressing writing this today, because we are committed to doing whatever we can to defeat Dr. Utopia in 2012, and will once again put our hearts and souls into this, but we have a sinking feeling that, just like in 2008, we’ll have the wrong person at the top of the ticket (on both sides of the aisle, really, yet again).
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Interesting take on the Huntsman issue, HB. I read a while back that Obama’s campaign manager told the press that he fears running against Huntsman the most in ’12. Reverse psychology alert.
The only way the GOP can retake the White House is by forwarding a candidate who has an equally dedicated and enthusiastic supporter base similar to Obama’s. So far, the only politician in the GOP who even comes close to that is Sarah Palin. However, I just fear the media will succeed with their mission to destroy her.
God help us if Jindal is the nominee.
Make no mistake. Obama’s team began the 2012 campaign the day he won, or possibly before. Hillbuzz is spot-on. If Obama says Huntsman is the strongest opponent, then chances are he’s actually one of the weakest.
Think about it. Obama ran one of the most well-orchestrated campaigns in the history of the United States. Why would his team then turn around and throw such a huge bone to the GOP? It makes no sense.
See, what happens is that most people don’t remember where they hear something or who said it. They just walk around repeating, ‘Some guy named John Hunstman should be the nominee in 2012. Also, Bobby Jindal and Charlie Crist are names I keep hearing. I think it will be them.”
Vanity Fair, back in 2001, started pushing John Edwards for the presidency and did a WONDERFUL profile on him that made him look like the next JFK, until Dr. Utopia rendered all Kennedy comparisons revolting forever. We actually liked Edwards a lot because of it and thought he’d end up being the nominee….but Vanity Fair came really close and got Edwards the VP slot…it would be interesting to do detective work on who was behind that piece, who green-lighted it, and if those same people were part of Edwards’ later campaign.
We believe there are people in the DNC who work with MSM to push certain people because of definite agendas. For some reason, Jennifer Granholm is also one of these people constantly pushed, though we don’t know why because she can never be president or VP. The ONLY thing that makes sense about Granholm is she could be used as a rallying point for amending the Constitution, with the Granholm Amendment, that would allow non-natural-borns to become president. It’s assumed Republicans will think this is a way to run Schwarzenegger and could also support the Constitutional change.
THE REAL reason behind this, of course, would not to be to help Granholm OR Schwarzenegger, but would be to open the presidency to someone else who is foreign-born and immensely wealthy and wants this to happen. Our knee jerk is to put this on George Soros, but at 86 or so, even he’s not delusional enough to think he could pull that off. But, there are other naturalized Americans with strong foreign connections who would love to see the Granholm Amendment become a reality and open their path to the highest levels of the executive, where there could be all sorts of divided agendas and split loyalties.
There’s just so much mystery behind all the Granholm love at the DNC…she’s a nice woman, but not endearing and in fact is a little rude and brusque at times. So, why is she so important to salvage from Michigan and why is she such a consistent darling of the DNC big wigs?
Curious.
President Arnold Alois Schwarzenegger.
Campaign tagline: “YAH, I AM DEH PRESIDENTINATOR”
Ah-nold is a RINO who will never get my vote for anything.
A reporter from Vanity Fair is supposedly doing a piece on Sarah Palin. I can’t remember where I read that, but they did say he was snooping around Alaska and interviewing a couple of people that have a less than fair opinion of the Governor.
So look out.
Obama ran the greatest PR con in the history of the U.S. A campaign doesn’t quiet describe it correctly.
If you’re in a southern state or a solid red state and you are not working–right now!–on how to get your state to the head of the pack on primary day, then, rest assured, we will have another moderate picked by they good, solid “Republicans” of Iowa and NH.
Remember that it was Crist’s endorsement of McCain that pretty much ended the Republican primary.
HillBuzz:
If you have higher up contacts, tell them to use this line:
“Hope is NOT a plan! and Change is NOT a strategy!!”
Agreed
Excellent analysis !
Let me add my nickel’s worth:
The GOP has driven out conservatives – mainly with Bush calling us RACISTS for wanting our borders protected and for letting the Republican congress spend like a drunken Kennedy.
Conservatives are NOT like the abused wives that keep going back to get a new bloody lip.
Conservatives just leave.
The GOP, and the 3 or 4 elite media “conservative” pundits, are nothing but Democrats in Brooks Brothers suits. There really is NO difference.
Conservatives have been so alienated by the GOP elite that they have decided to just leave the bi-annual wife-beatings.
So, naturally, the Republican party will listen to the MSM and the Democrats telling them they “need to move to the center” (the MSM center is NOT the country’s center, BTW) and the Republicans WILL pick another McPain and he/she WILL lose to Dr. Utopia.
Sorry … just how it’s gonna play out.
I know that I will invite a lot of Bush-bots to bash me with this but:
GW Bush kept America free from terror attacks (in other words, he did his job) BUT he was NOT a conservative … and he may very well have ruined the Republican party for good …
BP- tough medicine, but what you say is for the most part correct. Outside of a strong military, he did not govern as a conservative. I would further your post by saying prior to 9/11, Bush’s verbiage ran more to isolationism/away from nation building, if my memories of the Bush/Gore debates are correct.
However- I’d not count out the GOP just yet. Not too long ago, it was the DNC on life support and the GOP crowing about a forever majority.
Things can turn in a hurry, and my wager is the stuttering dope infesting the white house now is going to be radioactive (thanks Dick Morris) in very short order… seeing as how barky and his imps from hell have/are neutralizing any credible challengers in the DNC, who’s going to lead the DNC after he inevitably implodes?
I agree with you that Bush was not a conservative in many ways. True conservatives will come back, but how soon they can get control back of the GOP is the question. Bush and McCain and the money-spending formerly GOP controlled Congress are only responsible for keeping true conservatives home on election day…..we conservatives WILL vote if you give us someone to vote FOR. It’s not the end of the GOP party, they just have to wake up from their delusional ideas of being centrist. Many people will not vote at all rather than vote for the “better of two evils”. The GOP WILL wake up ….. just a matter of time!
If conservatives want good candidates the time to get involved is TODAY. By election day it is too late 99 percent of the time.
“…because he is orange, for one, and because of what he used to get up to at the Green Iguana in Tampa, for two, three, and cha-cha-cha).”
Jesus, you guys crack me up. And I knew a girl who insisted on keeping herself orange year-round. It was ridonculus.
As angry as we get at the Republican Party sitting out elections is not the solution.
Whoever Obama picks for the Supreme Court, ask yourself, would McCain have picked this person?
I have no idea who Obama will pick but I can almost guarantee you it will be somebody who will be a reliable vote to expand the power of the federal government.
The answer is to get involved in the process much earlier. Those that turn off and sit it out are as much as casting votes for Obama.
Judge Andrew Napolitano said McCain promised he’d appoint him if he won. GAHHH! I love Napolitano, he is focused on one thing and one thing only: enforcing and obeying the Constitution. Imagine that!
I love that guy
I do not understand how any Republican that was angry with Specter for voting for the stimulus can support Crist.
Crist campaigned for the stimulus side-by-side with Obama. A vote for Crist would be no different than a vote for Specter.
Orange Charlie defending his support for the stimulus.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4IKFdOcpp8
Sorry Charlie, you just ain`t good enough to be Star-Kissed.
Florida`s GOP Chairman, Jim Greer who is a friend of “0range Charlie” tried to invoke “Rule 11″ which allows a national party to pool it`s resources on a single candidate. If “Rule 11″ is used against Marco Rubio, the true conservative, he won`t receive any cash necessary to fund his campaigm for senator againt Crist. These GOP elites are playing hardball and screwing the conservatives again.
http://townhall.com/columnists/JillianBandes/2009/05
/15/gops_fierce_florida_fight
A grassroots boycott has been formed.
http://boycottnrsc.blogspot.com/2009/05/townhall-nrsc-endorsement-of-crist.html
Any one with half a brain in FL knows Crist is a RINO! But, no the NRSC supports him!
NRSC Endorses Moderate Candidate In Florida Senate Race
The National Republican Study Committee endorsed moderate Fla. Gov. Charlie Crist over former Florida Attorney General Marco Rubio in the primary for Florida’s 2010 Senate race. Crist’s popularity is high, but even Senate leaders admit that he won’t be a reliably conservative vote. Rubio has established himself as a hard-line conservative, and has a chance of carrying the state due to his Cuban heritage and appeal to Panhandle voters. Many view the Crist endorsement as a sign that the Republican Party is unwilling to take a chance on a lesser known, more traditional candidate. Others view it as a vote of confidence by the NRSC for the candidate who can not only do his own make-up and hair, but is such a reliable vote for the self-tanning lobby.
former Florida Attorney General Marco Rubio
Ummm, Crist was the former AG. Marco Rubio was most recently Speaker of the Florida House, but was term-limited and is currently a private citizen.
And yes, “Orange Charlie of the Green Iguana” is a job shopper. Headed the state’s Education dept, then the AG’s office, now Gov and aiming for US Senator.
Crist is not going to run for 2012. He’s running for a Senate seat and he’s not going to pull a BO and start running after 100 days of service.
I live in Florida, backing Obama’s stimulus bill has gotten him a lot of support from the Obots here. He will win the Senate seat.
I agree with hillbuzz that he isn’t a strong candidate for president. Republicans do not want another John McCain.
James,
I am hoping that the rest of us that are not Obots in FL see him for what he really is a RINO. I intend to spread the word and be active for 2010.
SusFL
Rumor has it this is also one of the crown’s Crist would love to wear:
“And I would have done it too, but that damn Crystal Chambers, those kids, and their stupid dog keep getting in my way!”
hillbuzz,
That gave me a good LOL about the crown. I am sure he has one at home.
Everytime he is asked a hard question he looks like a deer in the headlights. Thanks for always bringing a smile to my face when I feel down about how bleak things can look.
An orange deer in orange headlights, no doubt.
Hillbuzz, you are right on. Why can’t the republicans in charge see this obvious ploy by the MSM and the Dems? This constant news of the RNC moving to the left, and the propping up of moderates for 2012 has me quite depressed. As terrible as what Obama is doing, the RNC not being able to get their act together and stand up for their principles and nominate real conservative candidates is even more terrible. How we will ever get out of this mess if the Republicans listen too much to the MSM?
I think conservatives in Iowa and NH need to start serious organization now to prevent the nomination of another moderate Republican.
And yes, I can’t believe I am writing this stuff as I was a die hard dem until about a year ago.
Hillbuzz, if you’ve got an in with Steele please stress these points to him!!
Could somebody post some lists – one for conservative repubs, one for mod repubs, and maybe one for a centrist candidate (either party) – and include financial, social, and foreign policy stands? What exactly would be the differences between a conservative and a moderate republican? I think that would be helpful.
I’d be interested to know this, too, but I have a feeling a list might not work. I think there will be a lot of overlapping.
This might be helpful; you’ll have to go to each rating group to see what positions and how they rated them.
http://boycottnrsc.blogspot.com/2009/05/making-it-really-simple-for-nrsc.html
I think it skews each senator a little leftward than I think they ought to be but, I’ll have to check how the ratings were scored.
Rather than a list, I’ll try to suggest what to look for in a conservative politician.
You have to pay attention to their actions, not how they spin their actions.
When a decision must be made do they look for a solution that will result in an ever-expanding central government, or a solution that will result in greater independence for the state, city or individual?
Compare the following:
Sarah Palin realizes that Alaska not only can produce oil and natural gas but also renewables like geothermal and tidal energy. So her approach has been to try to make Alaska independent by keeping the oil companies accountable while encouraging the development of alternative energy. This puts Alaska in a position of greater energy independence while giving them the opportunity to profit off energy sold elsewhere. This is a conservative solution. I have read the spin that giving money back to the people in Alaska is socialism. That is ridiculous. It is their resources and it should go to the people instead of expanding the government.
Charlie Crist saw Florida sink into decline in many respects since he became governor. Instead of looking for ways to cut wasteful spending and seek creative ways for the state to become more independent he chose to endorse a stimulus package that not only expands the US government but puts the nation in debt to trillions that we will probably never be able to pay back.
One approach leads to independence, the other to indebtedness.
No matter how a politician defines his actions, what will be the result? Indebtedness or independence. The rest is window dressing.
When considering the candidate ask yourself have their actions and votes in the past led to greater independence for the state, city, individual voter, or greater indebtedness.
FlMom,
That’s exactly what the group of grassroot people I support are doing.
Do the candidates meet our criteria not do we met theirs and label us.
SusFL
I think I can see how this framework would help when looking at financial questions, but I don’t think it would work with social questions – or at least, people would interpret it differently. For example, some would say that a more “liberal” stance on abortion actual gives people more independence, because they can choose whichever option they prefer for themselves.
I’m just not really sure what people are talking about when they say “true conservative” vs. “rino” – where is the line? I guess I have an idea of “true conservative”, but when someone is a republican but people say they really aren’t – why?
I’ve heard that extreme righties are 20% and extreme lefties are 20%, and the rest of us are in the middle somewhere. That’s why I don’t understand why anybody pushes for a “wing” candidate who is going to alienate most people (most recent fraudulent election excepted!)
(Actually, I’m not sure Obama is left wing. I don’t know what he is. I don’t believe he is centrist – I think he just takes some things from the left, some from the right, and adjust things according to the polls)
An amazingly good sum up of the current political atmosphere including the MSM involvement of it all. We have history for a reason, we are supposed to learn from it. You guys are right on, the Republican party needs a strong Conservative to win in 2012. I’m so tired of hearing how the media will beat her up, duh, they will beat up anyone who goes up against ObamaTheOneKenobi. At least the Governor knows what is coming. And when it is her own campaign she will handle it with flying colors.
Interesting post, Hillbuzz. (I have to disagree with you about Mitt Romney- I cannot stand that guy… he makes my skin crawl and I dislike him almost as much as I dislike Bam for his sexist comments about both Hillary Clinton and Sarah Palin. But I agree with you that he can’t win.)
I am also a little interested in what Lorac mentioned. The difference between a conservative and moderate Republican. From what I understand(and I understand very little), Conservatism is about the individual. Keeping Government out of American’s wallets and bedrooms. And those were it’s principles until Reagan took over the party, and that was when Religious kooks and wingnuts seemed to take it over and make it all about social issues.
That seems to be changing a little- Micheal Steele seems to be interested in not alienating so many Americans from the Republican Party, such as Gays and “Non-Believers” (I’m reminded of Sebastian’s post on this topic.)
But having said that, what, these days, is the difference between a moderate Republican and a Conservative Republican?
Palin is considered a conservative, but she calls herself a “maverick.” She seems to be personally socially conservative but doesn’t inflict those beliefs on her state’s citizens (her first veto as Governor was a bill that would deny Gay couples access to health insurance, or something like that.) and she is fiscally responsible. Makes sense, I guess. She is almost Clintonian, even.
Also, I have to agree with a poster above who stated that Bush is not a conservative- he isn’t. He tripled the size of the federal government and his administration’s obsession with social issues like gay marriage and abortion were used in elections ’00 and ’04 to distract the public from his complete inability to lead.
Tough love to all you Bush kool aid drinkers out there, but true. The man was incompetent, and though I am grateful to him for his foreign aid in Africa and keeping us safe from terrorist attacks, he left this country in shambles. Had it not been for him, the DNC would not be what it is today and we would never have heard about Barack Obama.
I know you guys stated that you don’t watch the MSM anymore, so it’s hard to see why you’re stating they’re pushing Jindal and Crist. I saw them raving over Jindal early on, but it has since ceased… I don’t see that anymore.
You have to realize that it’s Romney they are pushing, not Jindal. Heck, Jindal isn’t even running in 2012, as he has a re-election to campaign for in 2011. That’s why you see Romney writing op-eds, Romney on CNN and Fox, Romney’s surrogates on MSNBC and all over the Sunday shows. Watch the roundtables and hear the pundits claim Romney will be the nominee. Now, I do think there’s a deal between Romney and Jindal; that if Romney gets the nomination, he will choose Jindal for his V.P., but I think even the MSM knows Jindal is not running in 2012.
It’s fairly obvious that this latest attempt to make Huntsman the ideal Republican is a slap at the conservatives in the party. They tie Palin in with Limbaugh and Cheney, hoping to diminish her standing. Good luck with that, MSM.
Romney is in on the collective GOP/MSM Palin bashing. His loyalists in the McCain Camps were responsible for putting false stories about her being “a diva” in the press, posing as “anonymous McCain sources”, and Romney recently stated that Sarah Palin is only only an influential Republican because she is pretty.
Romney will not win. Like Obama, he cares only about his own self interest.
Exactly, littleisis. I’m not at all surprised about Huntsman joining Obama; this is NOT about Huntsman, as much as it is about Romney and Palin.
Obama wants to run against Romney; he knows Huntsman didn’t stand a chance in hell of getting the GOP nod, but he knows Romney does. He knows that our nominee will be from 1 of the “big 3″: Palin, Romney or Huck. There will be other contenders, but our party always nominates “next in line” or someone who did well in the previous election, and only those 3 have amassed enough support, money and organization to garner our nomination.
Obama knows this. And of the Big 3, he knows Romney is the easiest to beat. But if Huntsman ran in 2012, he would take away enough votes from Romney to hurt him in the primary; take out Huntsman and Romney’s chances at the nomination just increased.
The chant of Romney will increase these next 3 years and the party insiders have already aligned themselves with him. He will have that advantage.
But Palin has the rank and file PLUS the majority of the radio talk show hosts on her side. It’s amazing to see Rush, Beck, Ingraham, Tammy Bruce, Mark Levin, Michael Reagan and others already siding with her as “the one”. They know Palin is much more in tune with the base then any of the others, and they are pushing hard for her.
It will be an amazing primary: the party establishment vs the base….
Yogi -
We don’t watch TV, but read everything the MSM puts out in print and see all the salient bits via YouTube. It’s the needless expense of Cable and sitting there glued to a screen watching what someone puts in front of us that we did away with. Now, we can seek out what we want to watch, when we want to watch it, which is how it should be.
If you are going to criticize us, know what you are talking about first.
Not critizing; just wondering what you were seeing and why you’re not seeing Romney and his surrogates all over the newspapers and television. I haven’t seen a story on Jindal in quite a while, at least on tv or print.
Oh, and also, Bush and Republicans in congress engaged in reckless spending. Those of us moderates who lean a little more to the left of the Hillbuzz boys recognize that Obama is no different than Bush (that is why we call him Bush the 3rd)- he is all for big government, and he is socially conservative. He doesn’t care about the LGBT community (see above Hillbuzz post about DADT) and he doesn’t care about women’s reproductive rights, which he demonstrated in his Notre Dame speech with his mention of a “consience rule”, his cuts in funding for contraception, and his belief that women should ask their male husbands, doctors, pastors, waiters, postal workers, ect. to get an abortion.
So Bush wasn’t really a conservative, and I don’t think Obama is really a liberal (in all ways) – I think it really means that they’re just all career politicians in bed with big-monied interests, or something….
I can definitely entertain the fiscal conservativism of republicans, but I could never, ever, ever get in line with the social stuff. What you’re saying about the republican history with Reagan makes sense, and it seems to me, anyway (a former dem) that if Republicans want to grow, they need to dump the social nastiness, and let people be who they are. Focus on the fiscal issues and foreign policy. Let the social stuff be personal opinions.
In other words, if they’re going to push a “wing” republican, I think it should be someone who isn’t being “wingy” (is that a word?!) about social stuff. When people keep pushing for a strong conservative, all I hear is Anita Bryant and Taliban treatment of women and repression and stuff that sounds VERY un-American to *me*. If they talk conservative about fiscal and foreign policy, they’re not going to alienate me.
You have to remember that Obama says the
opposite of what he is going to do!! So,
if he says he’s afraid of running against Huntsman, then he knows he can beat Huntmans. I, a conservative, would NOT vote for either, Jindal, Crist nor Huntsman. I don’t think they could beat
the IMposter. We need to select a real
conservative/Repub candidate for President with Sarah Palin as V.P. on the ticket.
If Sarah Palin is selected the President
candidate, Obama and his ACORN thugs will tear her apart as they are doing now, only worse because he’s afraid of losing to Palin.
trust me, if Palin is going to run at all, it’s NOT going to be as VP.
True, she said she would never do it again. She was mishandled, and never had a chance to give her opinion of what she wanted done differently. It’s top of the ticket or nothing.
that’s my thinking too MichL…i’m starting to think that her running for VP and LOSING was a good thing…mccain would have stifled her…
But I think she has time to get her real message out there. There are good handlers who know how to do that, get her on the shows, get her doing town halls, get her doing what she wanted to do in the first place – talk to the people without the MSM providing the info through distorted lenses. I like Palin – I think she seems to be a down-to-earth person (I mean, she’s way more attractive than Obama, but look who has the ego). If she keeps her social and religious beliefs on a personal, not political level, I could go for her again.
Like Huckaby – I’ve always felt that he is a very good person, by the way he talks to people, by the way he treats his wife, etc. Certainly, though, there are big social issues dividing us. So if he kept his social issues out of the political arena, I think he might be one of the most trustworthy people in politics. But since those social things are big to him, I could never vote for him. But I do believe he is a good person.
I’m with you on those two, except that there might be a time when I could actually vote for Huckabee if I thought there was a possibility that he would govern as Palin apparently has. I know that expressing their beliefs publicly is an important part of the faith of people like Huckabee, but is there any evidence that this is the way he would govern? I haven’t studied that because I haven’t had to make a decision about him yet. If I ever do have to make that decision, I think I need to know more about how he would govern. I am willing to give him some benefit of the doubt until I know more because I am a person that could never have an abortion myself (and thank goodness I am too old to have to worry about it anymore) but I would never presume to know what is right for another and do not believe anyone’s rights should be abridged because of what I happen to think. I see enough glimmers of Libertarian philosophy in what I know of both Huckabee and Palin so far to think that it is possible they might come to feel that way, too, if they don’t already. There is always hope that the interaction with all types of people help all of us to evolve and rethink our positions when we can connect the ideas with real people. Maybe as those two (Palin and Huckabee) expand their worlds and encounter so many different people in the coming years they will think less dogmatically. They both seem to have a sense of respect for the dignity of each human being and that is a hopeful sign to me.
And you’re right about Mitt – he will lose, which is why he’s being touted as our GOP saviour.
Exactly. I like Romney, but he’s just not strong enough against Obama.
Thats what the GOP must remember: They’re running against *Obama* who has the MSM, his youth army, and gang of merry men (aka ACORN) that will stop at nothing to hijack another election. A Republican candidate must be EXTRAORDINARY in order to defeat him.
Over the weekend, while sitting in the ER, I read one of my hubby’s books. He runs a long term drug rehab program for the local mission. The book is A Framework for Understanding Poverty by Ruby K. Payne, Ph.D. It’s a book I highly recommend for everyone to read.
It takes a look at the three classes of people, particularly the generation poor ~defined as two generations or more in poverty~, middle class and wealthy. The main premise is that there are hidden rules in each class that those that grow up in it know. We learn how to survive in the class that we are raised in. To move between the economic classes one must learn the hidden rules of the class that we are entering. It was interesting to read especially because of the discussions this last week here on HB about schools. One of the ways that students in poverty learn the hidden rules of the middle class was from school: teachers providing a role model and middle class students.
Its chapter on the hidden rules of the different classes gave me an understanding of why the “elite” of the GOP and MSM hate Sarah Palin and why I believe that she will win in 2012. The wealthy prize their education as a tradition for making and maintaining connections. Remember how they made fun of where Palin went to school, where as BO got a pass on education because of where he went? ~Even though we don’t actually have his records from those prestigious schools~ Just that he went there makes him “smarter” than the average Joe in their minds. It also explains why I think Sarah Palin is so popular with people like Rush. He’s from a middle class family. He didn’t go the “elite” schools. He is one of us. Sarah Palin is one of us. She walks the walk and talks the talk. BO and the MSM are scared of her.
It makes me think of young boys wearing their waistbands way down below their underwear, wearing an oversized sweatshirt with the hood up, never smiling – almost scowling, slouching when they sit or walk.
Then when a kid like that doesn’t get a job, they cry racism (can we get some naked pictures of women and men now?) I’d like to know what happens when they go home – what do their parents say? Do they reinforce that angry victim mentality? I’m thinking they do.
If I dressed inappropriately and looked like a slob, and didn’t look like the job I was applying for, I’d never get the job. And my parents would have told me it was my fault, because I didn’t dress appropriately or professionally. A business owner doens’t want to scare potential customers by having service staff that looks like hoodlums, drug dealers, or other shady lifestyles. Face it, they don’t.
We were always taught that we representated our family. At school, we were told that our appearance and behavior represented the school. During sports games,same thing – your behavior and sportsWOMANship reflected on your school and yourself.
Don’t kids learn that anymore? In my day, it was just the “fringe”, the “hippies” who walked around sloppy and with a nonproductive attitude. Now it seems to be mainstream. What’s happened to our kids? And did we do it to them??? I just think that parents aren’t teaching kids values anymore (and I’m not talking about abortion lol).
That’s exactly the kind of things the book talks about. It identifies language as one of the hidden rules. That’s why it’s so important for ALL schools to teach proper English. It’s what immigrants in the past knew. If they wanted their kids to succeed here, they must learn the language and be able to fit in with our culture.
It’s like a computer game. There are different rules for success in each game. If you want to use the language of your culture at home, that’s fine, but just know that in business, it’s important to use the language of business.
Hillbuzz – you’re right, moderate Republicans rarely get elected. But I’m curious – would you have supported McCain had he not been a moderate?
KJA,
Not sure what would have happened if McCain had not been the Repub nominee. We would not have backed Huckabee, that’s for sure, even though we met him and his wife Janet in St. Louis and both are so, so nice. But, there’s too much mixing of fundamentalism and public policy with that one. We do greatly admire his weight loss though — so we know that guy’s got a will of steel when he needs it which is good.
We wouldn’t have minded Romney, but would not have worked for his campaign. Probably, we would have just not supported a candidate and instead just kept calling Dr. Utopia out and kept warning people of all the things he is doing now, that we told everyone he would do months and months ago.
The reason we worked so hard for the GOP in the general came about on August 29th, however: and that reason is Sarah Palin. We worked with Democrats for McCain before Palin, but Palin brought us hardcore all-in. Love her.
keep your eyes on Huckabee. He has a good show and gaining many viewers who are potential voters. He has the charisma and home town appeal to most americans. He is also less robotic than obama and gives off a trusworthy veneer. All huck needs to do is to get a platform together that will energize the conservative base. He reminds me of Ronald Reagan who narrowly lost to Gerald Ford in the 1976 primaries. Coming back in the 1980 campaign to win both the nomination and the presidency and boy did we get ourselves a great president.
So, don’t dispare because there is always someone out there who can surprise the voters.
I don’t see Palin, Romney, Crist, Huntsman, Jindal making it next time around. I also like Rick Perry but don’t know enough about him yet.
I love Mike Huckabee. You are right. He has a way about him that even when he disagrees with you, you still feel like he listened to and respects you. He has a great sense of humor and can laugh at himself. I saw his interview with Bill Maher. One of his statements he made was that we should welcome questions about what we believe. If we can’t defend and explain what we believe , then we really don’t believe it.
I also like Jim DeMint from SC.
Rick Perry has the same problem that Charlie Crist has.
Until he wised up with his divorce settlement, Tom Cruise-style, Perry was about to have a “Mimi Rogers” moment of truth pulled on him.
Perry has no chance nationally…though, unlike Crist, there’s no drag involved in his shenannigans in Texas.
“Perry has no chance nationally…” Thank God.
I do not know why he was re-elected Governor. He may be re-elected this time around also; because Kay Bailey Hutchison is running against him. People will choose “the lesser of two evils”. Although…. people ARE SICK of Rick Perry. He is a player. By that I mean, he will go anywhere the lobbyists, money or praise happen to be. He will say anything to get elected; then, two weeks after election, completely change his mind. His big flaw: we cannot trust him.
He has done some good things for Texas’ businesses; however, he has also tried to shove some authoritarian bills down our throats (with payback from pharmaceutical or toll road companies I might add). We prevailed against him by screaming loud and long. He still ignores the illegal immigrant problem. The truth is, he is a waffler, a flip-flopper.
He refuses to make himself available to the people unless, of course, he is hawking his book. He is also haughty and not a very nice person(ask the Highway Patrol whom he called a “mo-fo” about that one). ha ha.
Will we ever find a real, nice, normal person to run? Oh, yeah. Go Sarah!
hey hillbuzz, I just have a question. you guys met and spoke to Michael Steele. Do you think he understands that we need Sarah in 2012? Did you get the feeling that he is leaning towards her or towards someone more moderate? i feel like he understands and is looking to Sarah. You guys are also very involved in campaigns and stuff and i was not until now. Is there anything we can do now to get the word out about Sarah and that we need her to win to other Republicans? i am currently an independent but if Sarah runs i will switch to Republican. Just wondering what your take is with Steele and stuff since you guys seem to know people higher up. Thanks!!