Did the “Ron Paul Revolution” Stay Home Last Night?
I haven’t seen anyone ask this yet, so I will: did the Ron Paul Revolution stay home last night?
Mitt Romney won 3 million votes less than McCain while Obama lost 10 million votes of his own from 2008.
Where did those 3 million McCain voters go?
The main part of why I believed Romney would win this time because I knew the 10 million Obama supporters would sit home…but never in my worst nightmares did I imagine McCain voters would sit home. I counted on them to show up and bring friends this time to boot Obama out.
The only thing I can think of is this:
* Ron Paul supporters sat the election out because Dr. Paul because the conflict regarding the convention and the other delegate issues
* Evangelicals went through with their threat to sit home because Romney is a member of the LDS Church
And these two groups thought allowing Obama to have a second term was worth sitting home.
Is that what happened?
I never thought that was a realistic possibility because I can’t imagine ever allowing the Left to not just maintain power but actually expand their reach…but that’s what happened last night.
Have you seen anyone crunching numbers to explain this today?
The Ministry of Truth will say “oh, it was all about Hispanics!” but that is a red herring. That doesn’t explain dropping three million votes below McCain and a total of five million votes from Bush in 2004.
Ron Paul supporters seem to explain that first drop from Bush’s 2004 numbers, sitting out to the tune of 2 million when McCain ran in 2008…and then sitting out even more this time; perhaps it’s a combination of Ron Paul people and Evangelicals who sat home “to teach everyone a lesson”.
That’s an expensive lesson if this is right.
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Could they have been read as Obama votes via those rigged machines and those voters didn’t notice?
Go to http://www.ronpaul.com. You will see a survey that asked Ron Paul supporters who they were going to vote for in the election. Romney scored in the teens percentage wise. The GOP did everything they could to alienate the libertarian branch of republicans during the primary process; and it cost them.
No, it cost AMERICA, you moron.
I agree.The liberarian branch cost my children their future.Thanks alot. Thats why I left the libertarian party today.
My son (26) is a big Libertarian and he simply did not vote. Try as I might to convince him that Romney would be a lesser threat to his liberties than Obama, he wouldn’t budge. I’m no Republican, but that’s the way I saw this election.
Well, I believe that many Ron Paul supporters, such as myself, voted for Gary Johnson. I’ll vote my conscience every time, before sending the establishment’s “chosen one” to play the role of “marionette” for the masses. The nation will continue to divide, as more men & women of conviction refuse to plod along with the “mooing herd”.
And you blind Ron Paul cult followers will fade away into oblivion. But only after you’ve been laid off from your job because you allowed a pathetic commie to be re-elected as President.
You must be so proud of helping to destroy America.
So your conscious was just fine contributing to handing the country over to Obama et, al? Because, in your rationale, we’ll always be divided….
If true, how incredibly short-sighted, and ignorant.
In an election this crucial, there was no place for petty self-centered righteousness.
Romney wasn’t my first choice by any means, but I understood the importance of coalescing into a solid base to defeat Obama. Sometimes it comes down, not to the ideal candidate (who will never exist), but the less bad– or in this case dangerous. It’s not so much voting for one, as against the other.
SCYTL (Spain) and VOTEMATIC (Venezuela) “counted” (as in flipped, obliterated) our votes.
I know this is old news, but where are the exit poll results? Last night was the first election night that we did not hear what the exit polling was telling us…..could that be clue 1?
Additionally, how could Obama have 3M more votes than Romney and there be literally across this nation no noticeable enthusiasm for Obama? I live in CO and there were hardly any Obama stickers or signs in Denver or Boulder.
There just isn’t any way that Romney turnout was less than McCain. I followed the 2008 and 2010 elections and travel for work all over the country and by far, Romney had the most energy this time around.
This just doesn’t feel right. Can we as citizens request the raw data?
I woke up this AM & realized that I was in mourning over the death of my lifetime “friend”, America.
Well, here’s a link to exit polls through the Washington Post:http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/politics/2012-exit-polls/
No, the numbers do not make any sense. How are there ~11M less votes this year? I only did quick calculation from 2008 & 2012 including most of the minor parties. GJ took 1.34M votes, that’s it.
I don’t know what happened & I hope that someone who is a lot smarter than me will find out.
I am an “evangelical” Christian (love the LORD so I figure I’ll call myself that). I voted & everyone I know voted & all for RR. Everywhere I looked there were RR signs & stickers everywhere.
I will add that if RP supporters stayed home in protest then they were being selfish, childish & spiteful. “Cut off your nose to spite your face” attitude.
But until such time as those smarter than me figure it out, I will continue praying for myself, family, fellow citizens, & our country.
God bless you all
My husband and I voted at 7:30 am. We were listed as having mail in ballots. This was incorrect. Therefore we were given provisional ballots. The woman working there was complaining that this error had occurred with several other voters already (again, this was 7:30am). I talked to my sister today and the same exact thing happened to her. So she was given a provisional ballot also. I talked to my parents, and they said the same thing happened to 3 people in front of them. I wonder how many voters were given provisional ballots due to unexplained administrative errors. Is it possible this explains some of the missing Romney votes? This is disturbing.
HERE IS MY SIMPLE VOTING SYSTEM
Triple redundancy on accuracy with PHYSICAL PROPERTIES no more electronic counting, what bee ess…
you have some calibrated plexiglass cylinders, clear, that exactly fit the size of a penny for president, nickel for governor, dime for senator, dime for congressperson…i.e. keep it cheap
They are guarded by all comers. A voter puts in one coin in each appropriate cylinder for their vote.
They also do a one-sided PAPER ballot with a MAGIC MARKER.
They also dip their finger in indelible ink like in Iraq.
They also get a photo of their ballot and inked finger which must be attached to an electronic ballot.
OK they can also pour 5 cc of colored water into another cylinder per their candidate, so they cannot be mixed up.
Then all of these are compared, they should reveal the SAME number.
Of course with citizenship ID.
In WA the absentee ballots are made from angel thin tissue paper ballots so that you can read the votes before opening or discarding the entire envelope, and I’m sure a lot of the non-Dem votes are pitched into the garbage.
There is no way that this system cannot be improved, using common sense.
YOU SHOULD REFUSE TO USE ELECTRONIC BALLOTING and pressure should be put on for physical count means.
WE NEED MORE DINOS TO RUN FOR SECRETARY OF STATE. Hell they installed RINOs to ruin the election process, we can do the same.
Look at Chris Christie’s ACTIONS, he installed a sharia judge, but then “talked tough” to Obama abuot governing from the outside, but then he blockaded Mitt during Sandy. CC is a RINO. We need a DINO brigade. They wear a suit and cut their hair, we need to grow our hair and sport lice body odor and poo on cop cars to blend in with them.
RE: Marie’s Comment.
Election malfeasance?
Some running in the 2012 elections have a history of having election malfeasance.”
There is an interesting article regarding missing voters in Ohio: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2012/11/08/the_case_of_the_missing_white_voters_116106-2.html. Forgive me if this has already been posted among the 250+ (!) other responses! Would love to hear if anyone else suspects people stayed home based on their various principals and gave us 4 more years of disaster.
I was just about to post the same article as indieyank. While I’m sure quite a few Ron Paul supporters and libertarians stayed home, it doesn’t quite explain such a huge gap. And living in VA, every evangelical I know was passionate about voting Obama out of office. As the Real Clear Politics article explains, the missing votes don’t seem to be from the Southern Red states. But this theory about blue collar workers who don’t like Obama, but believed that Romney was a rich guy who doesn’t care about them, so they stayed home seems very plausible to me. Obama started those ads before Romney even secured the nomination. It also explains the exit polls that most people didn’t believe Romney cared about “people like me.” Romney talked a ton about small business owners, but not so much about the people who work for those small business owners.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2012/11/08/the_case_of_the_missing_white_voters_116106-2.html
Yes. The votes were flipped. You saw the results jumping even on TV. Democrat cities stayed open late to “vote.” The election was stolen Chicago style. Unless the GOP stops these cities or engages in the same cheating of waiting till everyone reports then we will keep losing. It is just like a third world police state now.
I think the number who stayed at home was lower then people think. O stole the election. He never prepared for the debates because he knew they would steal it. Why prepare? Him people and people at the polling places knew it.
I volunteered on election day at an inner city poll in Cleveland. The poll “judge” was a loud disorganized black woman who wouldn’t let me stand near enough to the precinct table to hear the voters names so that I could log them in on the Project Orca phone app all the Republican volunteers had. The FIVE Democratic poll observers, one gay guy who was nice, a rich white guy from Chagrin Falls, a mean black woman who told me her daughter and FOUR HUNDRED college friends all from Cleveland….came en masse from DC to vote at the board of elections in October and two others with whom I had no interaction. The poll judge and the black woman democratic “observer” were constantly talking and glaring at me, the old white guy and her were always behind the red line “helping” voters feed their ballots into the scanner and otherwise directing traffic. Those 2 constantly complained about me to the Poll Coordinator, a stressed out white woman who had survived breast cancer and confided to me that she worked for the Romney campaign but clearly needed the paying election day job. They accused me of “intimidating” voters, taking pictures with my phone. I was doing neither as I stood quietly watching and talking to no one. It went on and on, with the hideous old white guy standing really close behind me while I logged the voters in at 11 and 4 from the list they HAVE to publish. At 4:30 a white guy came in with a Board of Elections tag and told me I had to get out. I told him what I was doing was legal and he screamed at me to get out. I was in contact with the Romney lawyers all day documenting all of this. A republican lawyer from the BOE contacted me and I met with him and he took down all the details. I left for several hours during the day because I couldn’t take it anymore. The bottom line is last night I woke up at 2 AM and I think this election was stolen. I’m going to try to get in touch with that lawyer today. I’m sure nothing can be done about it but if this kind of harassment and intimidation was going on at all the polls in all the swing states so that the Republican observer IF THERE WAS ONE was driving out so that they could “help” voters vote the correct way, it would explain a lot. The Democratic observers were clearly instructed to get rid of any “outsiders” so that they and the poll judges could make this big win happen.
That is exactly what happened to me when I was a poll watcher in 2008.
Thank you for your efforts.
The election was stolen and they did it in 2008. The idiots in this country watch more TV. Until the GOP stops this cheating or does their own cheating then nothing changes.
It has been proven fraud was a main component in this election. Then there are the hundreds of thousands of military denied their right to vote.
We have machine manipulations and over registration in several states.
We have illegals threatened in NV to vote DEM or be deported. We gave illegals taken to the polls in Ohio and told how to vote, illegal.
We have middle easterners taken to polls in Ohio and their interpreters showing them how, again illegal.
Unless we stand up now, it will be worse next time.
We have Republicans trying to second guess what we did wrong. Nothing. We ran a clean, high road campaign and clearly had the energy vs. The Obama campaign. We out numbered them at our speeches and had a larger attendance at the convention. Some of their seats were empty and some were filled with signs.
They thought they were losing and made other plans.
The figures don’t stand but they do lie. The unskewedpolls polls had Mitt ahead by as much as 6 points in some polls.
It wasn’t anything a couple of pathetic runners said or did. After what Biden has said and the ads they ran and the filthy accusations thrown at Mitt, no one can point fingers.
I will say, the Dems are much more loyal and would never jump ship so easily. They would stand behind their person, no matter what.
Mitt has done nothing to be called on.
Get your stories out. These are interesting occurences. Maybe even contact OSCE, since they are supposed to be objectively observing and assessing.
Hi,
I believe there is alot more to this voter fraud than meets the eye. There is no way in a sane world to blacks, hispanics, single white women win this election against married men and women and the elderly. They can spin it all they wish, but something is indeed rotten about this whole thing. Kevin, just a shout out from a fellow Clevelander living in Lorain County now. Great job keeping up the morale. I needed it every day what with all the condescending wretches out there. Sad that even in victory they can’t seem to muster up even the slightest bit of humility. Even sadder is that when they’re chickens do come home to roost, as they will, they will be like sheep to the slaughter resting on the altar of Obamania.
There is a lot to this fraud. Mitt is in the lead,then all of a sudden every state has a run of Dems votes at the same time.
States with voter ID, Obama won none. Ummm
It has come out out that they did make 10 million votes disappear last election.
But to say Mitt drew less votes than McCain, nope, won’t buy that one.
We had too much energy and momentum going on.
The military votes is what really irks me.
Anybody seen Blacksphere? or theulstermanreport.com
Thought’s? If true….how do we get it fixed?
Numbers are meaningless today. This election was stolen, good and proper. The numbers last night were almost identical to McCain’s numbers in 2008. Something is dreadfully wrong and I hope someone has the cajones to dig it up and report it. I’m a Libertarian and voted for Ron Paul in the last two elections. But when Ron lost I didn’t dig my heels in the sand and cry (like a baby) that I wouldn’t vote for Mitt. That’s just plain stupid and if it’s what the TP’s did, they deserve everything they got this morning. I told them over at Daily Paul that it was a stupid attitude but a lot of them are freaking rabid. They are just as bad as Chris Matthews in their own way. I’m in mourning and feel that yesterday was our last chance out of this current misery. We are well and truly f****ed. Eat, drink and be merry for tomorrow you shall die. . . .
Exactly right. From lewrockwell.com on to many other sites, they were all stating that the way to get ahead was to drop out of the system. Well, now they can find out the cost of their stupidity.
Ron Paul endorsed Gary Johnson, who got over a million votes. Thats where some might be. I have a hunch somebody stayed home. From what I’ve read so far, there was a large turn out of Evangelical voters and they broke for RR, but not to the levels hoped for.
I just have a feeling that a voter bloc stayed home in protest.
and I wonder if that bloc would be the Libertarian or Paleocon wing. We need to find out. Someone said there were 18 million new GOP voters, where did they go? Obamas camp targeted groups to offset his losses but still, where did the other votes go? Could it be fraud? How can we find out?
We’ve noticed this phenomena in our county, too. We had 5500 new voters register since 2008. That’s quite a few new people for us. We had almost the same number of people that voted in 2008 vote this time. Lots of somebodies stayed home this time.
No. They Democrats threw out monitors in every state. The election was stolen. Some stayed home but the votes were flipped.
If we cannot have an honest election then which should not be taxed for this farce. Until the GOP fights the same way then forget it.
I am still crushed and sick about the results from yesterday. What on earth is happening to this country when the WORST President in history gets RE-ELECTED????? What will it take to wake these people up?
I heard on the news earlier yesterday that there were 10 MILLION more voters yesterday than four years ago. Where did 10 MILLION people come from?
I don’t have the heart to analyze yet, but Kevin, I appreciate your efforts on our behalf. I am not buying the theory that there were so many more Hispanics who voted for Obama and that ALL of the people under 30 voted for him, blah, blah, blah. So, as you asked, who on our side thought letting Obama have four more years to drag the country down the road to Socialism was worth making some stupid point and staying home? What can we do to wake these people up?
I would also like to say, once again, how much I appreciate everything you do, Kevin.
Lame Cheery has an interesting theory about the election. In a nutshell the gop turnout is not reflected in the official election count which points to the election being stolen by Obama and his chicago machine. Same theory being advanced by Ulstermen. If that is what happened we are all screwed.
Yep
They can win elections at will on the day of the election.
Scary thought.
They know it can be done now.Without any trace of it being detected.
Anything electronic can be tampered with. Even voting machines.
Last night I was nauseated by the news, and aggrieved. Today, I am furious.
Tampering with touchscreen machines or with downstream (upstream?) tabulation is undetectable in ways that such tampering efforts just aren’t with Legal Paper Ballot machines . . . such as opti-scan machines. Yes, the “detection” and “counting” is electronic, but the very first footprint is a set of genuine meatspace analog marks on genuine meatspace analog paperboard paper. The only way to tamper with those Legal Paper Ballots would be to physically destroy them or lose them. That would be harder to do than to simply lie about the movement of electrons which leave no trail of footprints to show what their true course of passage ever was.
Is that a long-term argument for the abolition of touchscreen or other paperless ballot-casting technologies and the strict and total adoption of Legal Paper Ballot based ballot-casting systems? I think it is.
Rasmussen counted 18 million NEW registered republican voters….This was stolen by the same thugs who stole America….
Remember Josef Stalin said, “It doesn’t matter who votes. It only matters who counts the votes.”
And they set it up to look like O & the people around him knew he was going to lose. Sneaky b****ds.
The people around him knew O was going to win, Jarrett was smug and talking about revenge. O might not have been completely in the loop so as not to spill the beans accidentally, he does what he’s told.
And I remember Nancy Pelosi stating…”Barack Obama WILL NOT LOSE!”…..
She knew…..in advance!
It doesn’t matter whether you win or lose — until you lose.
Psychology. Mind over matter. Mind under matter? It doesn’t matter. Never mind.
The theory I read today at Lame Cherry is that it was orchestrated by Rove and the GOP to get Jeb B in the WH in 2016. Whether that carries any credibility remains to be seen. The vote counts are so off from exit polls and registration figures that those votes either were not counted or switched AFTER voting. I am not given to these theories but my mind is open now.
I read that, too. If so, i will NEVER vote for Jeb bush or any other establishment Republican. I’m done.
Here is a VERY interesting story from a nonpartisan election watch dog. It could explain why the polls don’t match what happened.
http://www.blackboxvoting.org
I’m getting the feeling those votes got thrown right in the garbage. Stalin’s quote comes to mind: It’s not who votes that counts, it’s who counts the votes.
I am an outsider, and in the back of my mind is the belief that the election was stolen because somebody else stood in for those who stayed home.
I read somewhere (?) that only 30% of the white male vote showed up.
There is just no way.
That is more than likely exactly what happened. Sometimes the real answer is the most obvious one. “Substitute” voters took the place of real, but absent, voters and voted for Obama.
One thing that might indicate this is the time of day these “voters” voted. Was it at the last minute?
I truly believe this election was stolen – I don’t think even Obama thought he was going to win it. I told a left friend of mine that I was sure Romney would win – barring voter fraud. The numbers we are seeing cannot possibly be right. How hard would it be, in battleground states, for Romney votes to go to Obama? I mean that seriously? How can we ever find out? This is the worst day of my life not only because Obama won, but because I was so sure he would lose. I fear for our country today. I wish all of the little secrets of Obama would come out now – all of them. I want the people who voted for him to see what he really is and who is backing him. And what about all of the newspapers that went for him over Obama. This does not make sense.
I really believe that there was possible voter fraud in Ohio.
Also, it crossed my mind that someone got busy and started voting for registered voters who had not shown up.
We know that military were disenfranchised. We also know that Democrat operatives shredded Republican registrations.
This is the one feature of your system that I really dislike. Partisan organizations should have nothing to do with voter registration. It needs to be above board and that can only happen when you have something like the Australian Electoral Commission in place.
Oh, that’s right! Remember hearing about “people waiting in line to vote” yeah, right. The names not crossed out were “taken care of” so to speak.
We also have motor-voter which causes too many problems. One place to register and one day to vote. There are too many intermediaries to wriggle into those places to mess up the works.
In our jurisdiction if you want to register people to vote, you can five them the forms and watch them fill those forms out. Then they are informed that they must take those forms to the registrar themselves.
If your poll workers and registrar aren’t totally and scrupulously honest you will get what we have now.
Ohh.. If you look at who the voters were and where they live, it is definitely Evangelicals. So thanks for being prejudiced guys!
kg –
It’s a valid question because there were several evangelical groups before the election who said they would sit out in protest of a Mormon candidate.
It’s fair to ask if they did that, or if it was the Ron Paul people…or a combo of both…or something else…but 3 million people went missing since 2008 on the Republican side when 10 million went missing on the Democrat side. That’s not explained by people dying…it’s people sitting home.
Who were they?
A good place to start looking is at the ones who threatened to do that.
To those I say: “If ye love wealth better than liberty,
the tranquility of servitude
better than the animating contest of freedom,
go home from us in peace.
We ask not your counsels or your arms.
Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you.
May your chains set lightly upon you,
and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.” ~ Samuel Adams
Or could their votes have been destroyed?
Kevin – I agree with you that some of those people sat home, but I just don’t think that covers it all. You were one of the people that had me so positive – and I thank you for that – along with Michael Barone. I just don’t think that you and he and so many others could have had it that wrong. I don’t believe you did. I am trying to find something positive in my day but haven’t made it there yet. I was just so shocked that this man could be re-elected. I was watching Fox News (with the sound off, listening to music, so I was reading the results) and Mitt seemed to be doing fairly well and then BAM – Obama Re-elected was on the screen. I coudn’t believe it. I think I would feel better about today if I didn’t think there was fraud involved – people voting more than once, people voting in other people’s names. Do you think that is possible?
rg, its called vote harvesting and happens all the time. That is why voter ID is critical
Voter ID is critical for sure – Romeny won in every state that has voter ID. What does that tell us????
Even if you ID it – the Democrats made monitors people leave the room. We saw Florida SE cities reporting late while the conservative panhandle on Central time (an hour later) was reporting. They waited at 90% of the vote for a long time then the manufactured votes flooded in the cities.
If people leave the room they could just scan 10,000 more votes in 45 minutes. They could have a programmer go in and change a 3 to 6. People saw it on TV.
I also believe the Jeb in 2016 theory. Anyone remember in 2004 when Jeb told them not to worry. This year – Jeb tells Hugh Hewitt that Romney did not have the votes.
The election was stolen. What is even more sickening is the pundits on our side write these articles about people staying home etc etc so we beat ourselves up.
Stolen like Chicago steals and destroyed Illinois. Ditto California, New Mexico and other cheating states. Ohio was stolen in Cleveland. PA in Philadelphia. Wisconsin in Madison and Milwaukee. Florida in Miami, Ft Lauderdale Tampa Jacksonville.
We are slaves who pay taxes but our vote is meaningless. The RNC/GOP should blow the whistle and stop playing nice or cheat like The Democrats do.
You wrote that Romney won in every state with voter ID (sorry I couldn’t reply to that post, but there was no “reply” under it… well, Florida has voter ID, and he didn’t win it.
I am suspicious in retrospect, however, at the exceedingly long lines for early voting in South FL compared with the later actual numbers I was reading. We went past about 3 different times to the place near us during the week, and you couldn’t even get a parking space. There were rumors that the final night had people voting until after 2:00 a.m.! (What was going on in there!?)
In past elections we have either early voted or waited till election day, whichever was more convenient. But we never had to wait more than 20-30 minutes regardless of when we did it (usually less). I have never seen such lines.as last week, though. Absolutely nothing like it before.
I’m an evangelical and I hang out with both black and white evangelicals. I’ll admit that in 2008, evangelicals were very skeptical about electing a Mormon. But by 2012 we were aware that the stakes were so high we would have to swallow our doctrinal differences and vote for Mitt because the alternative was so much worse. Even in my evangelical black Baptist church, the pastor was courageous enough to tell the members that they needed to think long and hard about voting for a person who supported abortion and gay marriage. He didn’t say to vote for Romney, but he was quite plain that the black folks he was speaking to should seriously consider not voting for the guy who advocates those positions.
So, from the trenches, I would say that the drop off in numbers did not come from evangelical opposition to the Mormon Mitt Romney. The explanation lies someplace else.
I’m also an Evangelical. Almost all I knew voted for Romney, with the exception of a few college kids. None stayed home.
It is a lie created to cover up the vote theft and to blame Evangelicals. Some “woman” on another site was posting she was a Baptist and she stayed home. I think she was a Dem fake. They want us to blame each other. They are truly evil. They waited til 90% of the votes are in and scanned an extra 20,000 to 50,000 votes to make sure they had what they need.
It is unexcusable that this happened in states with Repub governors.
The election was stolen in the cities. Just like they do in Chicago. It happened in 2008 too.
I’m a Christian and had no qualms about voting for Romney. I would not vote for him to be my pastor, but as president it didn’t matter to me. My FB friends (many evangels) were the same, I heard no grousing about LDS anything.
Billy Graham , who is the ultimate evangelical, came out with his ad for voting for the candidate with the biblical values ! And we know he wasn’t talking about Obama.
Jack Graham, the pastor at the mega church, Prestonwood Baptist in Plano TX, had a great voters summit, with a baptist friend who was also a Romney advisor. They put out the video trying to get people to understand , that in our lifetime and surely in our children’s lifetime, that there would be an election that had NO Christian candidate ! Maybe even atheist ! But they needed to know how to vote for substance and values !
Other than maybe small numbers,NOT evangelicals! No Way! We showed up and voted !
(Romney came to our church here about two years ago when his book came out, for a lecture, standing room only! Easy 1500 people )
Christians recognize what is happening, we don’t need to be lead to the polls, we work the polls!
Sorry , I’m furious…..
I and my parents and sister are Evangelicals too and all 4 of us voted for Romney. it was a vote for religious freedom and traditional United States values and Romney/Ryan represented those core values.
Sorry guys, I don’t buy the ‘evangelicals stayed home’ for a second. Evangelical vote was out in force. There were few groups that were as motivated, involved, and just plain purely excited about removing Bathhouse and getting conservative values back in government. Very few of us would have chosen Romney for the primary, but once he was named, our full force was behind him. Find another scapegoat – anything is better than Obummer. I’m still shocked. Just like everyone else has said, there was NO enthusiasm for Obama, even here in Illinois. Not sure I’m ready to get out the tin hat for electronic vote alterations, but I surely believe dems were paying for plenty of illegal voting.
I agree…. I don’t know any evangelicals who would admit to sitting home after the 4 years we’ve been through with Obama. But I see many Ron Paul fans who express pride online about not voting Romney. I challenged one of them on Breitbart as to why they didn’t just go ahead and pull the lever for Obama, since they effectually voted for him anyway.
I’m an evangelical who voted Romney, and all of my church friends voted for Romney. If a large bloc of evangelicals did stay home in protest, they made a grave error in my opinion. And we are the ones who will pay the consequences.
Another evangelical here. I voted for Romney. The Mormonism did not bother me.
They were basically dancing around it on the radio today. Sean Trende was on and pointing out who they were and where they lived and I knew right away. And I hope all open minded evangelicals aren’t offended by this. These are very narrow minded people on the fringe.
The Bible Belt states (AL, TN, GA, etc.) voted for Romney by a large margin.
I’m an Evangelical, surrounded by Evangelicals. We thought it was funny that the media whittled away at the Republican potentials until only the Mormon was left because they thought Evangelicals wouldn’t vote for him. Why wouldn’t we? Muslim or Mormon? That’s a no-brainer.
Personally, I think the election was stolen. Hate, hate, hate electronic voting.
I worked the polls yesterday and we were busy all day long with lots of first time young voters. About 1/2 Obama fans and 1/2 Romney.
Romney won in my little corner of the world.
Surprisingly, I am not distressed. It’s over, they won, we need to figure out where we go from here.
If I were a Ron Paul fan, I would have been appalled at the treatment of his delegates at the convention. They were totally ignored and devalued. I never wondered after that why Paul failed to fully endorse Romney. The failure to announce his votes in the recap by the secretary was the most flagrant slap in the face I can ever remember at any political convention. (They only repeated Romney votes from the podium.)
You mean where they tried to change the rules so Ron Paul would be the nominee? Please. They tried to cheat and got stopped,
Bite your lying tongue, John.
The Nevada delegates were Romney bound, they professed at the state caucus that they would support Romney at the convention to then tried to change their vote when they got to the Convention, which is not allowed. Shameful but true.
I know this went on in VA at the state Republican Convention. Many folks from the Shenandoah Valley were not seated because the powers that be decided that these folks were Ron Paul delegates. Not all were and it has soured me on the Republican Party here. Needless to say there are some very unhappy Republican delegates from a fairly Conservative area.
The Republican Party also played games with the help of Bob McDonnell in the number of candidates that ended up in the presidential primary. We ended up with Romney and Paul. At that point there were five other candidates that the Party said didn’t qualify. Nobody believed their stories at the time and this is what happens when the powers that be don’t allow competition. The ones with the most money win. At that point there needs to be competition. We weren’t allowed any. VA lost to Obama…..again.
It wasn’t just the Ron Paul people who got cut off at the knees. The convention muzzling was directed at conservatives/grassroots in general. The GOP had signed its own death knell. I just resigned my Pubbie registration, after 47 years as a GOP-er and active campaigner. I have lots of company.
In 2008, more than half the delegates to the GOP convention were conservative, and after seeing that the Pubbie elite were intent n naming McCain, insisted that he nominate a conservative running mate, or they would WALK OUT OF THE CONVENTION, thus preventing nomination of the slate.
So, rather than realize that Republicans can’t get elected except with conservatives, or being thankful for the 2010 victory conservatives won, but the elites wasted, they decided to just shut all of them out. I have been seeing this for decades.
So… if the don’t want us, we will go elsewhere. And they will go the way of the Whigs. Deader than a damn doornail.
I don’t know about evangelicals staying home. Our church which is very large was talking values and making it very clear that it is our duty to vote. Same with my fb friends who are evangelicals, they were some of the most outspoken for Romney.
I think too many voters want free, free, free and really don’t stop to think so who is paying for this free stuff.
Most Christians I know were praying and voting for Romney. There were 40 day prayer groups and even a convention about this. My FB friends were all for Romney. I do not think being Mormon was the issue.
Sarah Palin was my first choice, but she didn’t run. I knew I couldn’t sit this one out. And Sarah endorsed Romney the day before the election, thus encouraging Christians to get out and vote for Romney.
I think it was fraud, plain and simple. How can tens of thousands of people show up for Romney events in the weeks leading up to the election and it somehow go to O? It does not compute.
The GOP fat cats made a deal with the Left. That is the only way. Everywhere you went, the polls were packed. I read that the voter turnout in Texas was down by almost 10%. No way. The polls were packed. I got family all over the state and it was packed. What the hell happened I don’t know but something don’t add up.
In my town, Paris, TX, they said early voting this year was bigger than
all the voting in 2008 & 2010. Something really stinks about all of this, but we should have known how the left thinks & works. Life goes
on long after the thrill of living is gone.
My local papers reported higher voter turnout than in previous years. It does not compute.
Exactly right– it smells.
Isn’t the internet wonderful? We know voting was up in our own areas, and can share that information. How do we use it, though?
Same here. We had a very long line for almost three hours. After that it eased up quite a bit. But when comparing this years numbers with 2008, the 08 numbers were higher. Apparently this is true all over the country. Too many of our fellow Republicans didn’t vote this time although we had almost 5500 new voters on file since 2008.
How do we know they didn’t vote? My lying eyes tell me that Romney had outdoor overflow crowds and Obama had a hard time filling minor indoor venues. Romney looked upbeat and Obama looked defeated. Something is rotten somewhere.
Kevin,
I am trying very hard to be optimistic this morning, but I am very afraid for our great nation.
I think that when the leftists finally realize what they have done with this vote that it will get really ugly. When the “rich” run out of money to fund all their entitlements where do they think the money will come from? Sadly it is a lesson that may be too late.
Common sense tells us that even if we took all the money the supposed rich have it doesn’t even make a dent in the defecit.
Where do they think the jobs will come from?
I think the thing that most disturbs me is that so many voted for contraception and the “War on Women” theme. I am a woman and I don’t see a war on me and history shows us that women are vicious warriors when push comes to shove. They should look to Sharia Law if they want a real war on women. Sadly they are so politically correct that they can’t see what is right in front of them.
I like you Love Mitt Romney. I thought that he could right our nation to be the country I grew up in. I am 11th generation American on both sides of my family and every generation in my family has fought for the rights that we have now. I would be ashamed if I were to meet any of them now and have to explain that all they fought for is being dismantled by such ignorance.
I’m sorry if I sound like an Eyeore but I just can’t wrap my head around such stupid thinking.
I pray that things will get better,
I will continue to visit here as you do bring sunshine to my day.
Thank you
The rich will move their businesses and money out of the country.
I too think that there was multi-state fraud in the election last night. The numbers are just not adding up.
Could Republicans have helped Obama do this? Let’s face it, many in the Senate like being in the minority party. Plus they are wimps. Could Obama have made a deal with them to screw over Romney? (like in Florida?)
Note too, Obama seemed genuinely surprised that he won. The Romney crowds were too big, the lines to vote too long, for this to be an honest Obama win. Something stinks to high heaven on this…
…but will it be investigated and exposed?
Multi-state voter fraud seems almost the only logical explanation. We all saw the tens of thousands who attended Romney rallies vs. 2,000 tops for Zero. He had the momentum. He crushed Zero in the debates. Zero was toast.
Evangelicals and Ron Paul’s base together weren’t enough to throw the election. Logic (and Occam’s Razor) would indicate that something IS NOT RIGHT.
If it was fraud, what to do to prevent a recurrence? CAN a recurrence be prevented? If not, what are the alternatives? ARE there even any alternatives? Remains to be seen.
My heart has never been so heavy. Ever. Not even in 2008. It’s a crushing sense of dread that, unheard-of for me, I cannot shake off. I don’t understand it.
I’m going to have to take a hiatus for a little while, until my emotions settle down and I get back on an even keel.
Air Force (by the way I am active AF)
I must say your pull quote of using Occam’s razor was exactly what kept me up all night. Not looking for black helicopters to come buzzing in right now but something does not add up. The crowds and just complete ‘feel’ to this was Romney in a landslide – not wishfull thinking just the facts. Heck look at ‘how’ the left was reacting all night including the Prez. Completely stunned. Honestly deep down I think he wanted to check out and hang out in the islands drinking fruity drinks and playing golf forever as Michelle shopped and traveled the world. I don’t think he wants to live in that ‘old’ house as his mother in law stated. He was preparred to walk away. Enter the ‘real’ power behind the man, Val. Too much damage left to do – so little time. More to follow later – Kevin love your work. I have to beat the snow coming in down from NJ to Maryland aka the People’s Republic of Maryland.
Gods speed everyone – keep your head held high and your hearts clear. WE have much work to do.
I’m taking my cues from my parents.
(can you believe that? A grown man with 4 grown kids)
I told my 73 year old mom something this morning I’ve never said to her:
“Mom,I’m so glad you and dad are still around for me to be able to pick up the phone and call and get positive strokes.”
She laughed and said really?…”You think we still have something worth listening to?”
She then said,”Listen,we still have a life to live regardless of who won the election.”
My dad fled Cuba to the U.S.in the 1950′s.
He witnessed the heyday of this country in the fifties all the way through to current sad state of affairs we’re in now.
He’s pissed,but he rolls with it.Eighty years old and he rolls with it.He’s not depressed or nothin.
I guess to him things are not yet as bad as they were in Castro’s Cuba back in the fifties when he boogied outta there,even with Obama’s re-election.
So,with my folks still bein around,I can be a kid and not a parent for a few moments.I can still call mom and dad and be comforted.
Then I can bask in those moments for a little while before becoming a parent again and then call my kids and being there for them.
My oldest son is 35 and married to a Greek/American Indian woman.Oh my lord she’s something else.So smart,so fierce and so conservative.She just loves my parents and checks up on them as much as I do.My son made a good choice of women.
That helped me too. My dad said: Elections come and go and life goes on.
Hi Kevin, I had the same thought this morning… the conservatives stayed home. Evangelicals lost the Senate because Akin and Mourdoch (spelling?) said deeply ignorant things about abortion, which played right into the “Republicans hate women” meme.
It’s purely anecdotal, but my libertarian friends here in Canada often don’t vote because there isn’t anybody out there who supports their principles. They consistently make good the enemy of great. There is a fine line between libertarianism and anarchy and I find that most libertarians are living in their head instead of the real world. In the end, I find that they really don’t give much of a sh*t about anything. If everything goes to hell in a handbasket, they will be satisfied with themselves. Evangelicals are living so far outside the mainstream of anything, that I think they would exercise the same poor judgement. They don’t consider Mormonism real Christianity. Your country is really divided and it isn’t all Obama’s fault (probably one of the few things that isn’t).
I hope things all work out in the end. Hillary can probably kiss 2016 goodbye. Her husband did it to her again!
Former Gov. John Roland, of CT thinks that the Dems put up a straw man regarding women’s rights with the help of the media. He mentioned, specifically, when Romney was on one of the shows with Stephanopolus and Steffy asked him a question about abortion. Rolandsaid that women’s issues weren’t even on the table, but the Republicans fell for it. That put the idea out there that women’s issues WERE on the table.
He also believes that, while the Catholic Church apparently had a very clear message sent out to all Catholic churches, the parishers ignored their churches warnings.
I know that the issue came up in the Catholic schools because a friend of mine has children in a Catholic school. The nuns were very clearly telling the students about the position of the Church and also the position of Romney and Obama and asked them to write about which candidate lined up with the Catholic Church.The Gov. said that Catholic voters ignored the Church.
This means IMO that America is done. The takers will always outnumber the makers now. The only hope is to starve this beast.
For the House of Reps:
1) Don’t raise the debt ceiling, and let the gov’t. shut down,
2) let the Bush tax cuts expire and everyone’s taxes go up,
3) personally take every deduction to the max, reduce your taxes and starve the beast,
4) reduce and part-time employees in preparation for Ozerocare’s full impact,
5) offshore every business where it makes sense, and let a real depression hit this country. When Zero can’t even borrow money and must just print it, then sense may return to the populace.
We are going to personally help out:
1) We are not buying anything major new. The new car is going to not be bought.
2) We are cutting all charities and the government can take up the slack-if it can.
3) We notified our Catholic church that they will have to stop our automatic offering each month. They can let the parishioners with the Obama stickers on their cars be the generous ones. (They aren’t now.) And each action will be conveyed as to why these things are occurring in our circle.
Several of our conservative friends have also decided to do the same thing on their own. Anything to starve the takers and drive this country to a deep recession/depression.
Sounds like a “John Galt”.
My DH & I have already discussed not purchasing anything that we don’t NEED. No new cars, no new appliances, nada. I also spoke with my sister this PM. She is not going to buy anything either.
As to contributions: We will contribute our time as always, contribute to our local fire department, the Salvation Army, Boy Scouts, worthwhile missions & a good church if I can find one now. We don’t have much $$$ as my DH is retired & I am unemployed.
I also boycott anything with a GE label & will pay more if I need something. I refuse to buy GM, Chrysler (was a huge fan), anything by Gannett News, etc. This is one way we can band together & poke them until they bleed. Only bank with small banks that did not participate in the bail-out. If you have credit cards, pay them off monthly if you can. Tie up their $$$ & pay them no interest for using it. If enough of us do the little things, it will hurt. Remember the “death by a thousand cuts” philosophy that is being implemented against us? Let’s give it a try.
But we must always remember, “Love the LORD your God & love your neighbor as yourself.” We MUST follow this or we will turn into “them”.
I go to Quebec a lot and love it but would never allow that government control of my life. Highest tax rates in North America, crumbling infrastructure, total union control of health care system, ridiculous government language mandates. Every time I go to Montreal it seems to get a little more run down. It’s sad to see a city with so much great culture in decline.
Hi Brook,
Don’t sell your perceptions short. Montreal is running down. I was born, raised, left and just returned there.
Families can’t afford to buy houses, and move off island. The Francophones don’t want so many ethnics (who might speak enough French, but will never look it) becoming the dominant group in town, and the provincial government won’t help the island while there’s still so many English folks here.
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And on top of all that:
http://nodogsoranglophones.blogspot.ca/2012/11/montreal-rottenest-city-north-of-rio.html
Until four years ago, our contingency for escaping all this was to move south. After Tuesday night, that plan is gone. Home is looking much better.
Take care,
- r.
I’m with Anna (above) : I was a Ron Paul supporter , but when Ron Paul did not secure the nomination I did not spitefully sit out the election and passively hand it over to Obama. I voted for Romney (although more accurately : I voted AGAINST Obama) . Perhaps more libertarian-leaning people decided in the end to vote for Gary Johnson ? His “big idea” was to get 5% of the vote to somehow demonstrate the viability of the Libertarian Party as a third party . (the establishment of a viable third-party is something I would support long-term , but not enough to sit out this election or throw away a vote so that Gary Johnson could somehow eke out a measly 5% ) . I think it’s a combination of things: the Romney campaign overestimating that certain “swing states” could be won by Romney , when in fact those states are clearly NOT swing states (I mean Pennsylvania , Wisconsin, Minnesota , Michigan, Colorado ) , plus probably more than a little bit of voter fraud shenanigans by the Democrats in Ohio , Pennsylvania, and Florida among other places . It’s also as Kevin has mentioned: people like us underestimated how far gone our nation is in terms of having several generations of people brainwashed by the leftist Big Government mentality through the public schools . It is way more than 47% of people in the U.S.A. who are totally dependent on Big Govt. and unable to think for themselves.
I respect Dr Paul for his love of liberty, but he never attacks Obama by name. Romney isn’t a libertarians dream candidate, but Obama is their nightmare.
I’m sorry but i think gary johnson would1 have split the obama vote. Almost all of the gary johnson voters i know were obama voters last time. I don’t buy johnson stealing all of romney’s votes.
None of the evangelicals I know stayed home. They were excited to vote. I’m an evangelical and I had no problem with voting for a Mormon.
Yes, most people, would have. But I am worried if some did stay home. It isn’t logical.
I’m with Terry and the other evangelicals chiming in…in my network of friends, everyone voted and/or was actively involved in the election. Romney’s Mormonism had been an issue in 2008 but was not one in 2012 – all efforts were focused on getting rid of BHO.
I am also involved in larger national evangelical/pro-life organizations and never was there a movement to keep evangelicals from voting. All of them endorsed Romney – ALL of them.
I was sickened by last night’s results. I am even more sick at the thought of so many staying home. What WERE they thinking? Or were they even thinking at all?
Thank you, Kevin, for everything you do. God does truly have plan, although we cannot see it now.
Valerie, regarding your comment –
“Evangelicals are living so far outside the mainstream of anything, that I think they would exercise the same poor judgement. They don’t consider Mormonism real Christianity. Your country is really divided and it isn’t all Obama’s fault (probably one of the few things that isn’t).” I respectfully and ardently disagree with this — please don’t blame Romney’s defeat on us.
Politics is a never ending struggle. It never ends with a single election.
I think looking at this election with a sober eye shows that the leftists have peaked. They lost an awful lot of support over the last four years, and they know it. Obama was the first incumbent to lose support his second election since FDR’s third term (which was still a blowout for him). Florida and Ohio could have gone either way. Yes, certain Repub voting segments did stay home, and it cost them the election. That’s the Repubs fault, it’s something they have to deal with like it or not.
Another thing, an intelligent woman in my twitter timeline last night stated she was very glad she would now not lose her rights as a woman. We know that’s utter BS; but she sincerely believed that. The Repubs must improve their image. That’s just reality.
Cheer up—Remember Nixon won in an historical landslide!
Another thing, an intelligent woman in my twitter timeline last night stated she was very glad she would now not lose her rights as a woman. We know that’s utter BS; but she sincerely believed that. The Repubs must improve their image. That’s just reality.
I think you’re wrong about that, I don’t think it’s an image problem at all. The leftists have been able to lie and get away with it, largely due to the Mini-tru. And your twitter pal is not an intelligent woman if she didn’t do some research and learn the truth. She is someone who has learned to pass for intelligent, which isn’t difficult among leftists.
“Cheer up—Remember Nixon won in an historical landslide!”
Why would that cheer anyone up? We’d end up with Biden.
I have 2 college age daughters. All of their friends were convinced that Romney was going to take away their rights as women. And that was their only issue. They weren’t at all concerned about the state of the economy and the difficulty that they would have in finding good jobs and they couldn’t care less about foreign policy. We trained our daughters to think critically, and they tried to reason with their friends, but no one was interested in hearing any of it. They were convinced that the republicans main aim was to take away their rights.
I agree. My daughter is in High School and not yet able to vote, but she did come home a couple of times and ask me if Romney was going to take away her rights. I’m sure her “teachers” were telling her that
women’s rights seem to include only contraceptives (at no charge) and abortion. we’ve come a long way, baby.
I’m all for a woman’s right to choose: revolver or pistol?
I have a college daughter (grad school) and a college son (freshman). My daughter carefully considered all the issues and ended up offended that the focus by O was on her womanhood which she feels equipped to handle. She chose Romney. Her friends were basically 50/50. My son, and most of his freshman male and female friends, were rabid Romney supporters, donning Romney paraphernalia, voting either absentee or early in their home towns. They were shocked at the outcome.
Yes, Nixon did win in a landslide the second time around… and look what happened.
There are many unanswered questions. This means Fast and Furious is not going away, neither is Solyndra and Benghazi. Then there is the matter of donations fraud.
“The Repubs must improve their image. That’s just reality.”
How? A number of things Obama did would have sunk his campaign if the press would have pursued them, the would not. But every time Romney sneezed the press jumped on it tooth and nail. A republican with Obama’s past couldn’t stay out of jail let alone be elected president.
IMHO the MSM gave us Obama and there is no way they will allow him to be held accountable for anything.
BTW, it’s awfully tough to beat an incumbent. Clinton and Reagan did it, but they both had strong third party assistance.
I think the election was stolen by the Dems. The military in Afghanistan was not allowed to vote. We already know some voting machines were calibrated to produce Obama votes. We know some people voted multiple times and some dead and non-existent people voted. I haven’t seen the numbers yet since all the vote hasn’t been counted. We likely won’t get that until tomorrow or even several days later.
The problem was this: the election was too close. Republicans did not stand out as distinct from Democrats. The Democrat message was “we’re gonna give you stuff” and it worked. The Republicans said “we’re gonna give you a little less stuff and make the country prosperous again.” That didn’t work.
Did evangelicals stay home? We don’t know yet. Some may have found themselves unable to vote for a member of the LDS. Some Catholics, perhaps many Catholics, voted for “social justice” and turned a blind eye to abortion and freedom of religion. Did the Libertarian and Constitutional Parties drain votes? We don’t know yet. I know a few “principled” Libertarians and Constitutionalists who refused to vote Republican even though they hate Democrats worse than they hate Republicans. They “stood on principle” so they could feel good about themselves and superior to others. It’s an essentially selfish way to vote.
All I can say is we’re screwed. I’m sorry to have to say it. I don’t know if keeping the House is a positive. It gives Obama some Republicans to blame his policy failures on. We’re about to give full throttle socialism a try in the US.
I wish I could be positive but I am devastated. As a senior on Medicare with a serious illness, I fear that Obamacare will kill me. He plans to starve Medicare. The tax cliff looms and the health care tsunami hits in 2014.
Thanks for your work, Kevin. You fought the good fight.
It is clear that we were short votes and this country would be in a better place today if those who say they are Conservatives/Republicans would have voted. Wouldn’t have taken much. They have done a serious disservice to their kids and the country. Mitt turned out to be a great candidate and if we couldn’t win with him, we have a serious problem in future national elections. I think we need to replace that voting block with Hispanics who have conservative values. They would be more loyal as their tolerance would not be so narrowly defined.
As Rush said today, the Hispanics cared more about Santa Clause and their free stuff than their “conservative values.”
Yes.
I know a slew of Libertarians and they purposefully and boastfully did not vote (or voted for anti-Israel Gary Johnson, which is essentially the same thing).
I have a lot of trouble believing evangelical Christians stayed home– it never even occurred to me as I face the awful, sickening, heart-wrenching results of the election today. I’m a born-again Christian and attend an independent Baptist church and I never heard anyone say they wouldn’t vote for Gov. Romney because he’s a Mormon. And I was excited to see a full-page ad in our local lefty-newspaper a few days ago with Billy Graham (paid for by his organization) urging Christians to vote for the candidate/party who espouses Biblical principles. Maybe I’m living in a bubble, but I’ll be very surprised if Christians are the reason Romney-Ryan lost. My belief is there was wide-spread voter fraud. Why else would the leftists fight so hard against voter ID?
If you tracked Breitbart yesterday they had three separate blogs with on the ground reports throughout the day. ALL reported larger than normal numbers even before doors opened. There was a huge Republican turnout all over the country. Something is not right.
We know that military votes were “lost” in a helicopter crash last week, and we know that Florida purged its voter rolls of its military members. We also know that a large number of military votes were prevented by (I *believe* it was, but I could be wrong, here) Ohio earlier this year. We also read about things such as the polling place in Il. which handed out multiple ballots to some voters, and other places where people were instructed how to vote via absentee ballots and again in person. We know that a polling place in Detroit tried to badger a congress candidate into “filling out the other side” of her ballot, which would have meant voting D.; who knows how many folks folded under that pressure. As certain people in my city said during W.’s years, this president was Selected, not Elected.
When I voted yesterday in Ohio, I noticed my two adult sons on the registered voter list. One is registered in another state. Another is a Marine serving overseas.
I know at least one of them voted. The other is in the military, so who knows. But both their names were there on the Ohio registered voter list, blank, as if they did not vote. They are not dead or made up people. They are just no longer voting in Ohio.
What’s to stop people from simply going through these lists and casting a ballot in their names, and all in similar situations? It would be relatively simple to go through these books and compare signatures.
Who works the polls? I’m assuming there are safeguards against this, but maybe not?
Who works the polls? That is the secret. Those people must be scrupulously honest. In almost all of the films we have seen of voter fraud caught the poll workers are the ones that hand out ballots at will, are sloppy in their work habbits or just plain dishonest. It is easy to cheat under those conditions.
Anyone who has worked a campaign knows many ways to deceive and commit voter fraud. One way is what you have cited here. Voters still on the rolls who have not voted in several cycles…these lists are public record & available, and if in states with no id required, a team will send in a surrogate to say they are the person, quote the address, sign the name and cast the vote. One high ranking republican official who has voted absentee several rounds went in yesterday to cast his vote in person and was told, to his surprise, he had already voted “absentee.” (so someone else had called in for his ballot, picked it up or plucked it out of the mail and returned it). He was permitted to cast a provisional ballot, but who knows which ballot was actually counted as the night wound down. Another ruse uncovered by an NBC affiliate in Lee County, Florida, is signing up non-citizens. Florida has a motor law…allowing (encouraging) people to register to vote when they get or renew their driver’s license. No proof of citizenship is required, so the reporter found nearly 100 non-citizens with active voter registrations, many of whom had actually voted (and they may not have been the ones to actually cast the illegal vote…could have been an operative setting the system up). Voter fraud is real. It is potentially systemic. With early voting giving folks who want to do this 30-40 days to put their plans in action, it is a much bigger problem today than in the past. Personally I do not agree with any early voting because of potential fraud (absentee is different, and should be available for legitimate reasons including people who are invalids, hospitalized, etc along with living away). I vehemently support voter ID laws, although I’m pretty certain we can forget those now.
I’m with most of the rest of you…puzzled and uncomfortable with the shocking results of numbers. My state had people voting well into the night despite the fact the polls closed at 7pm because there were so many people. I waited in line for an hour first thing in the morning…and this after record-breaking numbers early voted. Stories were like this all over the country, yet there were 12-13M less votes? I just don’t get it; doesn’t feel right.
My daughter said her dad saw her name when he voted, while she voted in her new district. In California, who knows what happened with that. I heard on FOX that union people went into a poll in Nevada and took note of the names that hadn’t voted. Undoubtedly they had a crew ready to go in to vote under those names.
Also, I heard that seniors stayed home. I was annoyed that AARP had a voter guide, and we know where it stands. Maybe a lot of seniors were afraid to vote for Mitt, but wouldn’t vote for Obama. It will be interesting to see the numbers.
I am an evangelical as well. We were not staying home… though we do not agree with the Mormon faith. We were much more concerned about getting Obama out of office. I am in the heart of the Bible Belt, and I can assure the evangelicals were very much out to vote. I tend to worry more about the Ron Paul people not voting. My very well educated brother is a rabid Ron Paul supporter, and he was going to vote 3rd party. I kept seeing the lesser of two evils is still evil amongst the Ron Paul people I know around here.
I also am friends with a lot of survivalists/preppers/militia people. They were very much voting for Romney. More important to get Obama out!!!
The Evangelicals I know (myself included) most certainly did NOT stay home. We are well aware of what we face with four more years of Obama. I’m looking at the Romney crowds, the enthusiasm, the 10 million fewer Democrat voters this time around, and thinking fraud, I just can’t help it. Don’t know how they pulled it off exactly, but that’s the beauty of it. I do not believe the results are legit. I never will. The internal polling on both sides pointed to a Romney win and even the media was jittery, they could see it coming. We may never know what happened. But Evangelicals did not stay home, they’re values voters more than anybody, and God knows we wanted to keep our religious freedom, our freedom of conscience and our freedom, period.
A lot of other people are saying it and I believe it too: This election was stolen on a massive scale. And now, it’s over for America as we know it.
As an evangelical Christian myself (as is my husband), we voted for Romney and I believe most people in our church did too. Although there are profound differences between Mormonism and Christianity, that did not at all bother us in any way. Mormons do not push their beliefs on anyone and we respect everyone’s right to believe as they wish.
I’ve seen comments by both groups vowing to not vote for Romney. It’s a valid theory.
You damn right we stayed home. The Country Club Republicans kicked us in the teeth and ridiculed us, so we (the 10%) stayed home. Republicans have become a very narrow party (of statists, warmongers and slaves to the banking cartel) and demographics are its death.
Thanks a lot. Now we all have to suffer.
I’ve been wondering about the Paul voters too. We are evangelicals and we and all of our friends were very pro-Mitt.
However, I do have an adult child who was cheering on Mitt even though he voted for Gary Johnson. I don’t understand him. I’m angry at him because he was duped into thinking that since our state goes GOP it didn’t matter and that it was a matter of principle. I don’t agree. Principle tells me to vote my values and my conscience even if my favorite person didn’t get the nomination.
I’m struggling with being so sad today.
Also, I have a gay friend who is so thankful that the demon Romney didn’t win and now their life is safe from his awful policies (which I’m not sure I ever heard come from Mitt’s mouth)along with all the women’s reproductive rights that were “saved”. I think they should be more afraid of the policies of a man who is buddies with the MB(you know, the guys who treat women with utmost respect). But then we Christians and the LGBT’s will all be killed for the same reason when they “pick us like fruit from a tree”.
Kevin, I don’t have any answer……..
I know Ron Paul people and Gary Johnson people and all of them voted. I am an evangelical, as is nearly everyone I know. We all voted for Romney and everyone of defended him on FB and other comment sections when he was attacked. I don’t even know anyone who had half-hearted support for him after the nomination. The primary object was to defeat Obama.
We know that SEIU calibrates the machines, but we need to see where those voting machines come from (manuf and supply), and we need to know who writes and upgrades the software. Both my son and son-in-law work in the computer industry…and that is what they both say!!
I was on here and Breitbart all day yesterday. BB had reports and pictures coming in all day from people voting. Everyone was talking about the number of people at the polls in all areas EXCEPT heavy known blue strongholds. Those were the only places where there were reports of low voter turnout. Everyone would talk about the number of Romney/Ryan bumper stickers on the cars in the parking lots to try to gage who people were voting for.
I was getting newsfeeds from Tea Party Patriots, and they were strongly behind Romney. In fact, I was on all social media newsfeeds..Conservatives for Romney, Christians for Romney, Women for Romney, I will not vote for Obama 2012, Obama must Go 2012. Everyone I know came together for Romney except the Gary Johnson people. Even the Ron Paul people I know thought we had to get this done.
All and all, it just doesn’t add up. You don’t take the time to go out and freeze at a rally and then not show up to vote! I do remember reading on BB, I think, that someone was voting and said the maching was not programmed for 2012 and had to be cleared manually after each vote. Sounded strange to me at the time.????
Is that what they are saying, 3 million McCain votes stayed home? I did think it was funny that they say the turnout was lower than 2008 and 2004. I find it really hard to believe because I was watching the Breitbart site yesterday where they were taking reports from voters from states all across the country…nearly everyone reported record lines, much more than 2008. Even here in Detroit they said that people stood in line for 3 hours. I just don’t get it…I’m not necessarily thinking conspiracy but I don’t know where 3 million voters would have gone. I do know that there were some libertarians out there and I did hear that some evangelicals wouldn’t vote for a Mormon, which I’ll never understand. But 3 million less than 2008 on the Republican side and 10 million on Democrat side…it just doesn’t add up. They could have done something and there would be no way it could be proved.
I’ve lived in my area, which is predominantly Republican, for about 18 years now. I vote every election. This is the first time I ever had to wait more than a few minutes, and I had to wait almost 2 hours.
This is the story.
Evangelicals who didn’t show up to support a man who loves life, believes in marriage and that liberty comes from God are the most narrow minded people in America.
In Ohio, Northern Florida, Iowa and Colorado they cost Romney the election. Also why didn’t they turn out to vote in the Senate elections? Harry Reid is Mormon, shouldn’t they get him out?
Ron Paul people are drones like Obama’s people.
None of the conservative evangelicals I know stayed home. I am one and I worked with the campaign. I have NEVER volunteered for a campaign before but I did this time.
I was sure R/R would win and I am literally sick to my stomach this morning.
I do know some Ron Paul guys who voted Libertarian Johnson.
I think America is in BIG trouble. I am grieving for the Romney and Ryan families and for the precious Republic we are now abandoning.
We need to find out what happened, Are we simply outnumbered?
How are dems able to get their flocks out to the polls like a sheepherder—and we failed?
We need to find out what type of ground game works and what doesn’t.
They pay their voters to vote, in some instances I am convinced. Also, they go and knock on your door the day of the vote.
I was born and raised in Chicago. Until I grew older (10.5 years) and we moved, we lived in a poorer neighborhood on the near South Side, just barely on what (in those times) would be called “the right side of the tracks”. Literally.
Back in the day, every election season aldermen (and other politcos) from BOTH parties would come around soliciting votes. At least one side (I believe it was the democrats but (being a child) can’t 100% swear to it) always slipped my dad some cash: maybe $5-10 or so. (This was during Richard Daley’s time, so think late 50s, early 60s.)
My dad took the money (from whichever side(s)) and then voted as he pleased. My impression was that he favored the Republicans politically. (He certainly had an especial dislike for Daley. I have to wonder if the bribes had something to do with that (he called him a “crook”).). Despite that, he generally split his vote, because – as he once explained to me – it was better to have the so-and-sos (not his word, you understand) watch each other. (I never understood that attitude, until the last several years.)
I would not be at all surprised to know that this vote-soliciting and vote-bribing was still going on today – nor that it was being done by the democrats. And if such a tactic worked in the poorer neighborhoods in Chicago (though not with my dad), why not use it elsewhere?
I am more of a libertarian who voted Romney and while I do know a few people who voted for Gary Johnson, they were voting in states that were not in play whatsoever.
I agree with those above who says the election was stolen. Glenn Beck did a special on the voting machines just prior to the election that I did not watch yet because I was afraid it would come true. The stuff going on in Philly is also a major red flag.
Kevin, I think you are a wonderful analyst but in some ways, you haven’t fully woken up yet to how truly corrupt our system is. This election was stolen, I felt in my gut as soon as they announced the PA win.
I really think our efforts should go towards getting rid of electronic voting machines. Too many of them switched votes from Romney to Obama. That could be your 3 million right there.
I agree with those who think that this election was not fairly won. For the mid-term elections in 2010, Michigan state seats went solidly Republican from Governor on down. Michigan, of course, has its pockets of local Democrat footholds (read Debbie Stabenow, Carl Levin) but that has always been true and is always expected and factored in.
On yesterday’s ballot were 6 Proposals, 5 of which were heavily promoted by Democrats and various labor and service unions. The Proposals concerned altering our State Constitution for Green Energy, a new Canada to Michigan bridge, collective bargaining ‘rights’, etc. Ads promoting these Proposals (while misrepresenting their benefits) appeared on local TV stations 24 hrs.a day for the past year. Yesterday, each Proposal handily failed.
Incumbent Supreme Court Judges supported by Republican conservatives were re-elected.
Various House and judgeship races went Republican – everything was almost a repeat of the 2010 mid-term elections.
Enthusiasm was high among Republicans and voter turnout was large.
Are we to believe that the very same voters who took the time to vote against Democrat-sponsored Proposals, and candidates, somehow decided to cast their only Democrat vote for Barack Obama? And in big enough numbers to change Michigan from a Red state in 2010 to a Blue state yesterday? Michiganians have appreciated Republican Governor Snyder’s success in deflating the jobless numbers; in bringing new business to Michigan by easing tax laws; by balancing the budget for the past two years. Just what was it about Obama that excited them enough to vote to re-elect him? Obamacare (wildly unpopular here)? Auto bail outs (most people here are grateful for current jobs but do realize the cost to them now and in the future)? Joe ‘oh, your mother is still with us?’ Biden? Also, the people of Michigan really embraced Mitt Romney, his vision for the future, and his beautiful family. As far as the election yesterday goes, I don’t believe the accuracy of the outcome – I absolutely just don’t believe any of it.
Michigander here too and I agree with your assessment. I was talking with a family member from downstate and we were both shocked that all of those union/Democrat friendly proposals were voted down, but Obama was elected. It just doesn’t make sense.
Yes, even Frank Beckmann, yesterday on his show commented how impressed he was that amendment 2, the collective bargaining one, was voted down, even though Obama won over Romney. He chalked it up to an informed electorate, I think he was being charitable.
The 3 million deficit is one of the most extraordinary facts in American political history.
We all would have taken a thousand dollar bet that Romney wouldn’t beat McCains total, let alone by 3 million.
The polls never made any sense, and neither do the poll numbers.
When I put my ballot in the computer slot yesterday, I got a strange uncomfortable sense of how easy vote manipulation has become.
Is it possible (if the numbers are true) that there is a Palin factor? I know I voted for Palin, and a lot of other folks did too, despite McCain. Romney turned out to be a much better man and candidate than McCain, and Paul Ryan is fantastic (although unknown).
But the stunning woman from Alaska entranced many, including many who were not even conservative, precisely because she had a humanity and common sense and spirit which made folks like her and identify with her immediately.
I had that same feeling; only we didn’t have any paper ballots or anything to put into the machine, it was all push a button to make an X in the right place, then when you finish, confirm and push the red vote button. I have no way of knowing whether it actually registered, whether it could have been tampered with – nothing. Say what you will about 2000 and “hanging chad” and all that, but at least there was something tangible to re-count. This – how could you possibly recount?
Most Libertarians and Evangelicals were loyal to freedom and God and voted Romney. Some didn’t, a minority.
I know good people who were never Romney fans voted for him to save America, We love you for that.
I will be truly shocked if Christians stayed home rather than vote for Romney.
I’m a hardcore Christian conservative, and I would have crawled over flaming, broken glass to vote for Romney against O.
Kevin – I do not believe the evangelicals sat home. I am an evangelical and I KNOW my fellow church members voted, my friends and my family voted. I have very many theological differences with Romney but my love for my country overrides my theological differences.
I know this – the economy and the constitution come before my theological beliefs as far as voting – if we lose the above then we have lost our country and it doesn’t matter what I believe and how I differ. This election I was united as one with the Mormons and the Catholics (unless they voted for 0).
My guess as to what happened – cheating!
My thoughts exactly when i saw the numbers…who stayed home? In 2008 there were threats on every site i followed i could count on my hand the number of times i saw someone say that this time or on the radio. Evangelicals i know voted en masse. Our precinct wait was huge in fl. I think it is so fishy. I dont want to be a conspiracy theorist but i noticed in 2000 that whatever the left accuses republicans of doing they are in fact doing. There was a lot of talk about suppression from the left. If not we are way beyond the 47 percent and we can kiss this country goodbye
I blame Todd Akin and those who keep him in the Missouri Senate race after his abominably lame comment about pregnancy resulting from rape for the loss of so many decent Republican candidates. As far as I am concerned he should dig a hole and pull the dirt in over himself. He made himself a target that left the entire Republican field open to attack from Democrats. Every minute he stayed in the race he eroded support for Republicans everywhere.
Another reason for the Republican loss was the tragic death of Andrew Breitbart. He was the “culture warrior” and really understood popular culture. He knew that was where the battle space is. So many young voters support Democrats because they were already captured by the leftist popular culture. Andrew Breitbart, had he lived, would have had a plan to win young voters.
Republicans need to take hold of the public education system. It is under the control of leftists who use it to promote socialism. The left is winning over the current voters because lefts in the past had already corrupted their minds 20 years ago. They are not really trying to change the minds of conservatives to but to prevent the existence of conservative in the next generation. That is why Bill Ayers, when he wasn’t blowing things up, was fully engaged in education. Conservatives need to run for school boards and create an education curriculum that teaches the Constitution and capitalism.
“Republicans need to take hold of the public education system. It is under the control of leftists who use it to promote socialism.”
Exactly this, but it will be a fierce dogfight. The Left knows how critical this is. I believe in TX they have written a more conservative curriculum, but elsewhere I don’t know. 45 of 50 states have adopted the same common core standards, and I don’t know what latitude they have in what they teach for social studies.
It’s very thin. I was able to browse through some middle school text books about 15 years ago. I was appalled at how many pictures and how little text there was. I’d expect that in the lower grades, but this was unbelievable. I haven’t seen any since I retired, but they couldn’t have gotten any better as our culture seems to point out. Our children are ignorant of their own history.
Like the healthcare bill, most of Common Core will be implemeted after the election, good article from PJM
http://pjmedia.com/blog/obamacore-radical-education-bill-set-to-take-effect-after-election/?singlepage=true
Oh, and guess who was deeply involved in writing the standards…Bill Ayers
http://www.aim.org/special-report/terrorist-professor-bill-ayers-and-obamas-federal-school-curriculum/
The election results are so weird. All optimism is gone. The takers won. In my house, there’s no more supporting ANY celebrity who helped keep this fraud in office.
Ron Paul supporters all jumped to Gary Johnson. And believe it or not, in Florida, Roseanne Barr got 3,000 votes
A Military Insider suggest that there are plans to “watergate him” – meaning Obama. I say we need to “watergate” the media as well.
http://theulstermanreport.com/2012/11/07/military-insider-watergate-him/
OMG – - I had not thought about looking, and unexpectedly read that Allen West and Mia Love lost.
My heart is heavy. OMG
CNN Exit poll says… Catholics went 50-48 for Obama. That is sad.
Our pastor told us a few months ago that of the population of Catholics in America, only 17% are practicing. I wonder how many of that 17% voted for Bathhouse Barry.
I brought my kids to CCD at a conservative parish in town tonight. I am newly Catholic, and I was surprised at the boldness with which the people there were lamenting O’s win, lamenting what will happen to our country, and engaging in general “hell in a hand basket” talk. My best friend is a practicing Catholic, but a more liberal Jesuit. She votes on social issues. I know that lots of us, though, are with the Evangelicals on social issues. I have attended three different conservative parishes in the past several months, and they have ALL been bold about voting for “values” and “life” in this election.
I am an evangelical Christian at a very large church in California (6,000+). I know the majority of us did not sit at home even though our voice wasn’t going to count here as we could not deliver California to Romney. The Democratic platform was the reason. Evangelical Christians all over the country heard the same things from the pulpit we did which is – we aren’t electing a spiritual leader, but a political leader.
I have been reading you for months now and want to thank you for uplifting me throughout the election cycle. Last night i kept coming back to u to get the boost i needed to continue to have some hope that what i was seeing wasnt happening. even though it didnt work according to what you – we thought — thank you for the gift you gave me in reading your articles. i look forward to a rallying cry we can get behind to try to survive the impending disaster. My heart was broken yesterday when the results came in as I had to face the fact that I didn’t leave my country, it left me. May God have mercy on us all.
I don’t think the evangelicals stayed home because they didn’t want to vote for a Mormon. I believe that non-Democrats in general cannot be counted on to actually go to the polls and vote, particularly if there is a line. I’ve often heard “Conservatives” and Republicans offer the excuse (almost bragging) that unlike “Liberals” or Democrats, they are busy and work for a living, and didn’t have time.
“Conservatives” and Republicans are also not loyal party people. They are very prone to fixate on a pet peeve they have with an imperfect candidate. “Liberals” and Democrats are more practical and focused on victory and the long term agenda.
I’ve been saying for months that the reason why polls over sample Democrats is because Democrats turnout more reliably.
“Conservatives” and Republicans need to stop making excuses. Fraud is easily defeated by high turnout. If the turnout is always razor-thin only then is fraud a problem.
We also need stronger candidates. All the Republican Primary candidates were duds. Lets be honest. Mitt Romney is a good person, but as a candidate he was hardlly ideal.
Thank you for steering us right back to trying to fix the problem – and to do that we have to dissect what happened every way we can.
The fact the votes for Romney were down 3 million from McCain’s and 5 million from Bush in ’04 is most disturbung. It’s hard to fathom that those millions could not see the importance of getting Obama out. I don’t know who was stupid enough to stay home, but this is perhaps the most perplexing thing about yesterday.
I strongly believed Romney was a far better candidate than McCain, and I thought he ran a much better campaign. I was convinced conservatives who stayed home for McCain would turn out. Instead we LOST voters. Man I was wrong! Are we even still a center-right country anymore? So many doubts and questions are running through my mind.
That turnout puzzle is one of several reason I’m finding it hard to generate hope for the future. Right now, I’m down to prayer. I know as time passes the shock will pass and we’ll rally again. But today I find it hard to see any light at the end of the tunnel.
QUOTE:
“The government will take from the “haves” and give to the “have nots.” Both have last their freedom. Those who “have,” lost their freedom to give voluntarily of their own free will and in the way they desire. Those who “have not,” lost their freedom because they did not earn what they received. They got “something for nothing,” and they will neither appreciate the gift nor the giver of the gift.”
“Under this climate, people gradually become blind to what has happened and to the vital freedoms which they have lost.” -Howard Hunter @ Brigham Young University 1995
If any evangelicals sat home, they were few and far between, especially since Billy Graham came out and basically said “Yep, they’re Christian. Now go vote for the Christian!”
I know one evangelical who, much as I love her, is kind of a nutter and seemed to have bought into this “Mormons are a kooky cult and not Christians” schtick (I think she threw in with Goode) Myself and all the other evangelicals I know and the major church I attend when I’m visiting my parents? Wall-to-wall vocal Romney supporters. At the very worst, most evangelicals voted against Obama.
I’m with Rush on this one: there’s just too many people who believe they’re entitled to other people’s money.
I was surprised a few months ago when even a family member of mine who is very leftist commented obama had not been what they expected. I never pressed them about it, but I thought wow, even his own dislike him that much!
I know I saw stories, miltary did not all get ballots, or get them in time.
Some religious guy was organizing a write in name of Jesus supposedly 1.6million were to partake.
I’d put my money on vote fraud through machine and early, absentee. since there was the comment by sarah? a dem campaign spokes person about they already have most of their vote banked. I was disappointed Romney did not question anything. Just like Bush and John Roberts said nothing about questionable things happening in 2008.
In the mean time, God is still in control of things, I saw a comment on Citizenwells about there is time between now and dec 17th when E-college meets and much could still happen regarding the validity of things? I’m not all sure what the commenter had in mind, but I know some times God works in ways and timing we do not understand. And if we do have to deal for 4 years with last nights results – He will see us through. keep the faith.
I can’t stop crying.
I also think there was rampant voter fraud.
I have a LARGE circle of very conservative evangelical Christian friends, and I can tell you they were straining at the bit to vote for Romney. I would be shocked if the case was otherwise around the country.
My die-hard Dem friends from NY both voted GOP for the first times in their lives — in a state where they knew their vote would not count. There is just no way these #’s are true. The true face of our enemy exposed themselves last night. Obama is just their chess piece on the board. These enemies control the White House, and they control the opposition to the White House. We should be under no illusions here. This is ultimately a spiritual battle, and we need to get very clear in our minds the kind of nation we want to be, and the kind of leaders we want leading it.
First, I want to apologize to Kevin for calling him a troll last night. I was wrong for that. Deadly combination of anger, election results and cheap wine.
Second, my phone rang off the hook yesterday with Paul supporters saying they were voting for Romney. They voted and I thanked them.
Third, the Evangelicals voted. Akin’s and Mourdoch’s comments would have been cheered by them, NOT their words, but their meaning. Bottom line: 3million McCain voters were either not counted, or got fat in the last four years of give-aways and liked it.
Sorry again Kevin, All the best.
A few things, why did people purposely cut their nose off to spite their face? Only they can say. Did they not sit back and think of what another four years would bring? If they stayed home, then they can suffer with the rest of us and carry the burden of being at fault.
For those saying that Mitt was not a Christian, he himself called himself a Christian. Do they not know the full name of his church, it is Jesus Christ of the Latter Day Saints.
Now, was this election stolenm or was it given? I say yes, for many reasons.
Obama has only going through the motions of wanting the job. Most days he was so disconnected it was unbelievable. They were making plans to leave, His staff was job looking.
His convention was much smaller and lackluster filled with hate and division. It was moved inside, I think to hide the fact of a smaller crowd. Some of the seats were empty and some were filled with signs.
Mitt’s convention was one of uplifting hope and a future. It was done on a posititive note. His crowds were huge at all his speeches filled with energetic people ready for a change/
As for fraud, we know for a fact, there were numerous multiple voting, machine manipulation. those that voted in absentee, then went and voted in person. Illegals were bussed in and told how to vote. Totally illegal. This was witnessed first hand in Ohio. Our military was stifled on many fronts. Two weeks ago, it was reported that absentee ballots on the was to Afghanistan MAY have been lost in a plane crash. But, no one knew of this crash and one week later, no plans were made to replace them.
Many parents wrote in and said their soldier had not received their ballots.
I know many are familiar with Ulsterman and how he has worked with a White House Inside that is a old time Dem. He has said, they were backing away from O and was doing all they could to help him lose. He said several days ago, if O wins, they cheated. What he knew, I don’t know. I think the fix was in.
So, do I think this election was on the up and up, no, why would Jarrett make the statement, about paybacks and if you aren’t with us, you are against us?
Hey now! Not all evangelicals sat home. I have a feeling the number that did is smaller than you think. My husband pastors a church and has a private blog that pastors, from all over the U.S. participate in. There were 2 who felt like they could not vote this election. You should have seen the outcry from the majority of the guys who are a part of that blog. Most evangelicals realize that we are not voting for a Christian. We are voting for a president: a man who will best represent our ideals and values. The U.S. government is NOT a Christian establishment and if you (the collective Evangelical ‘you’) believe it to be than you are foolish. While it was founded on Judeo-Christian values, it is not a Christian establishment.
Another thing that needs to be taken into consideration is that many view the Democratic party as the party that takes care of the poor. This thinking is widespread in our nation. The problem with this country is that there are SO MANY people who vote are completely unaware of the issues and where each candidate stands on those issues. An example of this is Cap and Trade. People are clueless as to how this is going to effect them and their pocketbooks. Nationwide, our electric bills are going to skyrocket. This will effect everyone. Wait until that 7 billion dollar EPA nightmare gets pushed through. I will be able to say to everyone who voted Obama “You are getting what you asked for.”
The point being, many voted for Obama because they believe he will meet their needs. Yes, there are that many uniformed people out there.
You are flat out wrong. We are a Christian nation, founded ONLY because of God. The f-cking liberals have been rewriting history to lie to you and idiots like you always believe their bullshit. The problem with Americans is idiots who spout talking points and do not do their homework.
http://www.wallbuilders.com/
100s of thousands of actual documents compared to liberal fallacies show the truth.
Prove that we are not a Christian nation, not from liberal bs websites, but from actual historical documents, otherwise, talk to David Barton and learn something. I hate ignorant so called conservatives. You should go with the dems. You fit right in.
csuzeq,
I honestly do not believe that you read my entire post based on your response. I am extremely conservative, to the point that I would actually call myself a Libertarian. I am also a Christian.
You also acused me of not doing my homework. On that point, I challenge you to do yours. While some of our founding fathers were religious men, not ALL were. I also recognize that freedom of religion was very important to them. Freedom for all those who live in this country to practice their own religion.
The first ammendment of the Constitution says this:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
The Declaration of Idependence states:
“Governments are instituted among Men…”
The Treaty of Tripoli, 11th article says:
As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion,—as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen [Muslims],—and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan [Muslim] nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.
I consider ALL of these to be reliable historical documents.
I think the way I’ve heard David Barton (Wall Builders – who has huge amount of founding era writings) explain it is
1.we are a Christian nation (founding documents and minutes of meetings in creation of those doucments all contain overwhelming words of our founders praying who to write the documents, they referenced bible and other main source was two treatise books from Lock wording our documents to align with biblical principles, court judges have stated in there rulings we are a christian nation, some presidents thru the years agreed we are a nation based on Christianity etc, so we are a christian nation)
2.we do not have a state religion – like founders left in england/europe.
Kevin, I left the libertarian party today.I am ashamed that people would stand by and allow someone to wreck the country rather than try and go with the only option possible that was available.I am not a fan of cutting off my nose to spite my face, which is what just happened..I really don’t know whos worse at this point…The leftists who still believe the hopey changey or the libertarians waiting for the “golden” candidate to appear on his unicorn to come save them.They can spout about principles all they want but IMO if you see a crime occuring and do nothing to stop it then you have no principles.This election was the American public being mugged.And alot of libertarians and others stood by and watched it happen.I am done with them.Now I’m just praying that the justices stay alive until the next election.
The rich corporate families in America control everything. THEY pick the person they want to be president and the president pretty much does what they tell him. They picked Obama because entitlements are going to be taken from the poor. Only a black man will be able to accomplish this. Can you imagine a rich white man taking entitlements from the poor blacks? THAT is precisely why Obama was chosen. I have inside info that the DuPonts, Waltons, and other Corporate ruch families made their choice. Reliable inside information. And what was a Democrat talking about on NPR today? Cutting entitlements. Just watch. We are not just fighting Leftists and the media, we are fighting the rich families of America!
Their idea of cutting entitlements is cutting social security and medicare. Medicaid and welfare will hardly, if at all, be touched.
If you have inside info, please spill it. I’m tired of hearing “I have inside info” and not being able to do something about it. Like, oh, maybe make those rich corporate families pay for what they’re doing to us?
Obama was chosen in Chicago, as their own most viable candidate against Hillary. Michelle “worked” in the Daley office, after her short stint in a law firm where Ayers’ ex-con bomber wife Bernadine Dohrne worked. Michelle only had a law license @ 3 years. Some talk of her not liking work. She hung out at Jesse Jackson’s home growing up and his daughter was her maid-of-honor. It is a tight lefty group back there, and Obama agreed to marry her, as it would give him connections. Sure did work!
I’m not happy with the take that it’s the tea party’s fault: they were largely voted back in. Unfortunately, the tea party’s huge umbrella means there were some bad candidates, but not the the bad people (like Claire McKaskill) that beat them. 53% of voters blamed today’s economy on Bush! We’ve never done a great job of explaining why the housing crisis played a critical role in the meltdown, and that it was a largely democrat boondoggle, starting way back in the 90′s when Barry successfully represented ACORN in a suit against CitiBank, forcing it to grant low-income mortgage loans in Chicago. Cisneros brought this idea to Clinton, who implemented the idea federally, then we got Dodd-Frank, mortgage fraud…. And we never revisited the fiasco that’s coming down the pipe with Obama-Care. Will they still blame Bush in four years?
Someone said on Fox, as if to applaud the GOTV of the Dems, that union guys came in a polling place, looked at the voter log, took down the names of those who hadn’t voted, as if they were going to drag them back to vote. They could have come right back in with a huge group of anybodies to use their names.
My goodness, we could all write forever on this.
I am Evangelical and the question of Evangelicals sitting this one out rather than vote for a Mormon did cross my mind. I am sure the number of Evangelicals who would (and did) vote for Romney were much higher this go around, but it would not surprise me at all to learn some still would not do it. However, I do not personally know any Evangelicals who were going to ditch because they couldn’t vote for a Mormon.
My husband and I did vote for Romney as we weren’t seeking to hire a theologian and his credentials as a business man who can fix really big messes clearly fit our need for a president.
I too think this election was stolen.
Some comments:
As an evangelical Christian, I would be shocked if there was a large contigent that stayed home. We are keenly aware of the bigger “good versus evil” picture and view Obama as hostile to God and to Christians and a direct threat to freedom of religion.
Romney would have protected and defended our freedom. He reflected most of our beliefs. He was our guy. I only wish our fellow black Christians would have joined us in greater numbers. Some did, to be fair, and some stuck really their neck out. God Bless them.
That said, I would not be surprised at all if the evangelicals are declining in numbers and influence, in general.
I spent the day as an Election Official in an area in VA coveted by both Obama and Romney. The city narrowly went for Romney. Turn out was HUGE in my precinct. I’m shocked – absolutely shocked -that McCain got a higher vote count. What I saw does not match what is being reported about numbers. I did not get home until midnight.
I smell a rat with the election results also. The enthusiasm gap from Romney rallies compared to O’s coupled with the lower vote total vs. long line reports just isn’t right.
The electronic voting machines may well have been rigged.
If not, then if we can explain why the 10 million extra O votes or the extra 3 million R votes we may be able to figure out how to get back.
I find it hard to believe with the voter anger out there that this many people just stayed home because they didn’t like Romney.
I keep saying, a software glitch that was “on purpose”.
I agree that with voting machines it’s hard to be sure the votes are correct. I believe that a combination of voting machines flipping votes and the unions “making sure that people who registered but didn’t actually show up, voted” is what happened. I can believe that obama’s turn out was down 10-15 million but there was no way that Romney’s turn out was down 3 million from what McCain got in 2008. I think that a combination of approximately 4-5 million Romney votes were flipped or registered republicans that didn’t show had votes placed in their name for o. That would explain the apparent lack of enthusiasm for Romney when there WAS if fact greater enthusiasm. We KNOW that obama had a lack of enthusiasm, it was probably way more that what is being reported so flipping ~5 million votes wasn’t that obvious. The votes being counted by some foreign company in secrecy makes it easy for them to give the person with the biggest “bid” the election with no accountability and no evidence. Plus we KNOW that pollster/ mini true were adjusting their outcomes through out the whole election so now they look right but the reputable pollster all look wrong. I’m NOT a conspiracy theory kind of person but I can believe that this is what probably happened.
The first clue something was wrong was PA. The 2nd clue was when the FL panhandle polls closed and started counting and Romney’s #’s did not shoot up — LIKE THEY ALWAYS DO. I couldn’t believe what I was seeing. I still don’t. We have much higher party registration than 08 and less voters than McCain? Does that make sense? Why would anyone bother to register, if they’re not going to vote.
The fact that NOT ONE single GOP leader is even questioning these voter machine issues reported all over the nation speaks volumes.
http://www.blackboxvoting.org
Here is a plausible explanation .
I suspect Fraud on a level we have never seen before.Noting adds up and no one is questioning it for fear of being a “sore loser”. Sore loser be damned…If votes are fishy investigate!!!
The House of Rep oversight Committee is how the GOP wins, They need to expose the truth.
God bless you, Kevin.
I’m sure there are many reasons why Romney lost, but unfortunately, nothing will ever be proven or investigated. The truth is, the one who has the most money and backing wins the prize. Our elections are no longer based on who is the most capable, it’s based on who has the most money and influence. Obama learned how to get what he wants from the Chicago thugs and apparently, he learned his lessons well. I have had so many people tell me my vote means nothing, stop dreaming of the American way of past, well after last night, I have begun to believe them. Our government is a joke, why would anyone with integrity want to surround themselves with the likes of our representatives in government? They lie, cheat and think they are better than everyone else. Instead of them winning office to help our country, it has become an easy way to make a good living with very little work involved.
I’m sorry but I have lost all respect for our current government, democrat and republican alike.
One of the many “talking heads” on Fox News yesterday stated that because of the legal uproar in the 2000 presidential election, there are now scores of lawyers now with a specialty in “election law” for the very purpose of handling suspicions of voter fraud. You can bet that there are many of these lawyers investigating any possibility of such in the states where Romney and Obama were in a close tie. It will all wash out in the coming weeks …. but not on MSM …. possibly on FOX news ….
But I also wonder about the military votes, the absentee ballots, etc and their effect on electoral votes.
Fox news seemed to go soft on Obama in recent weeks. Just last week O’Reilly had Laura Ingram on. They were talking about Benghazi and said that story has already been told. The facts are out. Leave it alone. I was stunned.
All I know is they seem pretty f-cking happy that Obama won and they were spouting their new talking points all day about how the Republicans need to go to the left because that is where the country is. They said things like: the republicans need to drop their opposition to gay marriage and abortion so they can get in step with the masses. I kid you not.
And if you are wondering why FOX has seemed to be going soft then check this out:http://thinkprogress.org/media/2010/02/10/81482/right-rebels-foxnews/?mobile=nc
We used to watch FOX News especially at 5PM when Glenn was on. But me thinks that he ousted for telling us about what was really going on. It’s tough to find info on this, but it’s out there because I’ve seen it.
Hence, I did not watch any of their junk today. Had them on last night & watched them shut down Karl Rove when he objected to the early call in Ohio. He’s about the numbers & had the numbers. No one would listen to him.
Basically FOX is on my no-watch list.
In reading up on several sites, trying to educate myself as much as possible, I frequently encountered Ron Paul supporters, who all seem to have the same thing in common: They are oddly zealous and intent on voting on “principal”, country be damned.
Shame on Ron Paul. His self-centered sick may very well have cost us not only the election, but the country.
And to someone upthread who said that the republican party somehow alienated the Ron Paul/Johnson folks, every one of them unrealistically was set on having us vote for THEIR guy, which was as good or worse than not voting at all, calling Mitt only slightly less bad than Obama himself.
To me, they’re only slightly less bad than the liberalist of liberals.
conservativemonster.com agrees with you, he calls libertarians “in the closet commies” (approximately)
I’m one who didn’t dare vote….. I live in Pima County Arizona, and listened all day to problems all over Tucson.. I’m just now listening to Bev Harris on Alex Jones talking about a quarter of the votes in California that haven’t even been counted yet, but we have a winnah…… it’s scientific, doncha know?
Ms. Harris has a website called Black Box Voting; take a look.
I think the election was rigged and there was massive voter fraud, just like when he ran against Hillary. Bus loads of Somalian immigrants who couldn’t speak English were taken to the polls and told to vote all Dem. Also, the military votes were suppressed.
I will never vote again until we have Voter ID laws as it is impossisble to win with fraud. People were just showing up and voting. Hannity said they don’t ask for ID where he votes.
Romney would have made a great President and he is a wonderful man. He should have brought up Benghazi during the 3rd debate but played it safe.
Brook, I agree with you. Why aren’t the Repubs questioning the inconsistencies?
Allen West has not given up yet. He’s begging for help as they go thru the ballots.
Hi Kevin. I initially voted for Ron Paul in the primary so that may be true for some but not all. I voted for Mitt Romney.
I know a couple of Paul People who wrote him in, but the majority of people I watched the results with last night were “Lesser of Two Evils” Republicans.
In all the streets I’ve walked in Erie, PA, I’ve seen all of two (tiny letters here) *obama* signs. On the same yard.
And yet Erie country came out 58-41 for the cuckoo in chief.
I’m an English major. I’m not only going to be looking for a job in four years, but a very specific type of job. It occurs to me that if nothing damning surfaces about these votes in the next month or so (and I can barely dare to hope), I will have been out of college for six months by the time we get another shot at this. I don’t feel so good…
I had the same thought about evangelicals today…I am one and I voted for Romney, but a few of my FB friends seem to have not voted or voted for the Libertarian guy. I am very surprised by this. I knew it happened with McCain but didn’t expect it this time. I happily voted for Romney…I held my nose for McCain. So what if Romney isn’t an evangelical christian, he is a good and decent man who lives and behaves as a christian should. It seems to me you would rather have that than a socialist, God-hating, liar as your president.
I also suspect fraud is going on. How else do you explain the huge errors by Dick Morris, Karl Rove, Michael Barone and others?
I can tell you what happened….
There were 10 million fewer voters because of Obama’s negative campaign. This was his strategy. He lost a lot of voters, but most of them stayed home. Some voted for Romney.
Romney also lost some McCain voters who just stayed home. I know a few of them myself and asked them why they stayed home. They believe that there’s no difference between Romney and Obama and that the country is lost either way. They are largely apolitical.
Obama lowered the overall turnout, then exploited his huge GOTV operation to get his base out there. He barely got a few more votes than Kerry in 2004 despite a larger population now. It was a very low turnout election. Fewer Republicans and Independents voted due to the negative campaign. I don’t think the Ron Paul folks were much of an impact. People are just turned off by all politicians.
I thought about burning my house down this morning. And I’m contemplating rioting. But I don’t want to harm my own property. And I’m too moral to vandalize someone else’s.
I suggest graffiti.
I am confused. They were worried about Romney being a member of LDS but not obama’s church that hates America and white people or islamists who want every western Christian dead.
wow! I dont understand people anymore. They voted for their own demise
That Situation Room button-pushing traitor Beyonce (who rented a 3rd world uterus to gestate her and Jay-Z’s loinspawn so she wouldn’t get stretch marks) tweeted “TAKE THAT MITCHES!” and some writers on that forum gloated that the reason O won is that, blacks and browns hate whitee, heck even whitee hates whitee and now they’re the majority and they’ll take whitee down, etc. Really hateful racist stuff, against whitee (which makes me wonder why Beyonce lightened her skin and got her nose thinned to look more whitee) but anyway I do not believe this meme at all. I see this as complete vote-flip fraud, because the numbers just do not add up, what with SCYTL and that smart_____ something company from VENEZUELA counting our votes, we had no chance for fairness. We need to go back to 100% paper with a CARBON PAPER duplicate and dipping fingers in indelible purple ink like in Iraq, WITH voter ID.
Anyway I predict this wolf-in-heat howler will wind up like Oprah for traitor-racist-pushing zero on us and cheering on America’s destruction… and she’ll probably look like her too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ko2ths1IR3w
US VOTE MACHINES OWNED BY FOREIGNERS
include SCYTL Barcelona too
Allen West is demanding recount. He’s not out yet.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1112/83476.html
I did read some people complaining that their votes were made provisional on some pretext or other. This is voter suppression and it also depresses the turnout. It happened in Florida.
However, the big one for me is how there was such a strong turnaround of the vote in both VA and OH during the later part of the night. I think that could only happen if there was something going on, where votes were added to the boxes in those remaining precincts.
There were hijinx in PA and the Romney machine was right on to it.
There are other mysteries such as Wisconsin. What they did there is really weird. It does not compute.
Others talked about machines already loaded with Obama’s name. That happened in even more States than in 2010.
However, what has really gotten me is the claim that voter turnout for Romney was less than turnout for John Kerry? With all those reports of long lines and high voter turnout earlier in the day, I do not believe that. What happened to those votes? Who made them disappear?
The republicans will let voter fraud stand so they can get Jeb Bush/Marco Rubio on the ballet in 2016.
They might think that with another four years of Obama
the country will be ready for their candidates.
Wow, that’s what I was thinking too. But I’m not going to vote for another Bush. I don’t trust them anymore.
then the repub leaders are dummer then most americans.
the bush name will still be too fresh in dems minds and rubio – I thought he had possible ineligible issues?
running either will cause more problems then positive results.
I’m unsure on claims of cheating. Sure, I think it’s possible. But the way I am, I need proof of machines changing Romney votes to Obama.
I served as a GOP observer/ORCA person in a Cincinnati precinct (kinda inner city- not my idea but I went where I was assigned). One guy complained to the poll workers about the “partisan” nature of my sweatshirt. What was so controversial about my sweatshirt? It read “Miami University,” and the voter complained because that’s where Paul Ryan attended. So I had to take it off for the duration of that hellish day. I’m not kidding.
I’m getting used to it by now. But I feel that regardless what happened, the GOP needs to be more attractive to hispanics and other minorties. We all know that conservatives/Republican leaners ARE NOT RACIST in any way. The Dems play that card because they divide people into groups and pander to them in condescending ways. We choose to treat all people equally, regardless of race.
Regardless what we do, we have to face the filter of the media. Without a doubt, the remarks by Mourdock and Akin were wrong, but Democrats say incidious things all the time. Obama ran a mysoginist campaign against Hillary in 2008. Biden described Obama in a racist way too. I could go on. But those never get mentioned by the media.
Let’s focus on this- in 2004, the left said “51% isn’t a mandate” (Bush’s total). Last I checked, Obama has 50%, and CNN was going on and on about his new mandate. Obama had a 2% margin of victory in the popular vote- a terrible position for an incumbent and a far cry from his 2008 margin. He squeezed out a win- that’s it. And it may prove to be a pyrrhic victory.
I do not think our Party should pander to any immigrant for votes! If they want to come here legally and join into our way of life, abide by our laws, not try to change them, carry their own weight, you are welcome here!
And no one should be given a pass because they are here illegally, we have laws for a
reason, our government refuses to enforce
them.
Today is my birthday. I got a lump of coal.
As a lifelong Conservative that has had no choice but vote R. I am mad as hell.
You all know how Kevin did such a great job smartening us all up for this election. I want to take it a step further.
The GOP is not much different than the left. One is evil, the other looks the other way. Of course this election was stolen. For all the reasons Kevin demonstrated. True to form, the GOP will come out and blame everyone but themselves. This time it is Paul supporters and Evangelicals. Other years it has mostly been Conservatives. Dole, McCain.
Do you honestly believe they couldn’t have gotten in front of the vote fraud? I don’t.
Do you honestly believe over half of Americans want to live the equivalant of public housing? I don’t.
Do you really believe that having debates in enemy territory was a good thing? I don’t
After how many years, they can’t combat the throw grandma off a cliff routine. I don’t.
How many of the GOP come to congress as thousanaires and leave as millionaires? Pretty much the same as the left.
I am so sick of the GOP making excuses and then pointing fingers at the truly decent Americans who have no other choice than support there dirty tricks.
Let me just ask one question, the GOP acted like they wanted to be the leader of the free world, but they can’t take on Chris Mathews? How the heck are they to work against Iran and Putin?
I will not talk crap about my fellow Americans who want what I want, but have a different lifestyle than mine. The people who believe in individual freedom, and yes, life.
Happy Birthday, Scout! So sorry that this happened today.
Thank You.
I’m not sure how you’re defining evangelical? If you mean non-Catholic, conservative Christian, my very large circle of friends didn’t care about the Mormonism. I think we just hoped more conservative thinkers would vote. I can’t imagine these next four years. Ugly…
Often the Canadian Free Press gets it, unlike many of our own citizens:
http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/50875
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/why-romney-lost-obama/2012/11/07/id/463241?s=al&promo_code=109FA-1
This is an excellent article and I think is probably a fair explanation.
Missing vote numbers make more sense if you look at the R’s as Romney votes, and you look at the D’s as less enthusiasm and ALSO D’s who voted for Romney.
There have been lots and lots of D’s on the comments section of Twitchy talking about how gladly they voted for Romney. Have any of you seen any figures on Democrats who voted for Romney?
I Found this letter from David Horowitz encouraging.
Watching last night’s returns, conservative commentators talked mournfully about how America is a changed country—demographically, culturally, and most of all morally. Because of these changes, we are no longer the country we have always been.
We don’t buy it. Yes, America is a divided country. But half of the people are holding fast to traditional values and voting no to policies that are leading to bankruptcy at home and defeat abroad. To believe, moreover, that the other half has turned its back forever on our national ideals and national greatness would be to sell them and America short.
It would also be selling short those of us who are willing to take the fight to the left to defend this country; it would be to give up on our ability to change minds with the power of our ideas.
What lies ahead is not only an opportunity to change the course on which we are headed but a solemn obligation to our children and to ourselves. We must educate more Americans about the threats to our liberty at home and abroad. That is what the Freedom Center has always done; it is not only our mission but our reason for being. It is what we intend to do—now more than ever.
To take one example of why this election is not a verdict on America: We are in the midst of a global war against Islamic fascism; our government has been penetrated by Islamists; our president has abetted the rise of the Muslim Brotherhood in the Middle East and the spread of al-Qaeda terrorism in Libya, Mali, Syria and elsewhere. Our ambassador in Benghazi has been murdered along with three heroic Americans who gave their lives defending our consulate but whom our government refused to deploy our military forces to save. Our president has surrendered Iraq to Iran and has passively abetted the mullahs in their pursuit of nuclear weapons. Yet none of these horrific events were issues in the election. Despite the fact that they are the key responsibility of the president who is our commander-in-chief.
The Center’s mission is to educate the American public in these realities, to school conservatives in the nature of the left and its plans for the American future.
Today is a time to think about what just happened to our country. But, more importantly, it is a time to renew the fight to save it. That fight is against a leftist media and educational system; against the socialist policies that seek to fundamentally transform our economy and political system; against the appeasement of our enemies and the weakening of our allies like the state of Israel; and the fight is against the Islamists and their progressive allies who wish to silence our free speech by reviving blasphemy laws and embargoing criticism of America’s enemies. These are the issues that face us and the ground on which we must fight.
We at the Freedom Center know the left too well to think that this fight will be easy. Today I received an email from someone describing himself as a “Pitchfork Patriot.” The note said: “I was wrong — not by that much. That is no consolation. Losing sucks. I am out of politics for awhile — Maybe a long while.” This is exactly the wrong attitude to take out of yesterday’s election. What kind of pitchfork patriot throws in the towel after an election in which half the country voted no to the policies that are leading us down the path to bankruptcy at home and defeat abroad? If George Washington’s troops had decided to take a break from the cause during the grim and losing years of the revolutionary war, would there have been an America at all?
Think of this moment as the middle of the war to save our country. The David Horowitz Freedom Center is ready to fight if you will continue to support us. Its mission of educating Americans to the nature of the enemy and the battle lines that have been drawn is more needed than ever. Please use the form attached to make your contributions and to divert some of the money that the Obama government will otherwise take and invest it in the cause of defending our liberty and country.
Sincerely,
David Horowitz
President & Founder
Beautiful. Thanks for that.
I don’t have time to read all of your replies right now, so I am going to just jump on in with MY observations and two cents.
Not knowing any, I can’t comment as to Ron Paul fans personally.
I will say that some few on certain forums I follow (current events, prepping) have publicly stated their intent to vote libertarian (often with a sort of ‘dang the consequences, MY conscience will be clean’ attitude). Their reasons were varied; some of them were (for one reason or another) fanatical libertarians, some of them view the Left/Right as All The Same (this included (but was not restricted to) the “Romney is a RINO” group), some of them were angered over the apparent dismissal/shutting-out of Ron Paul in the preliminaries.
Were they complicit in the Obama win?
I haven’t really looked at the final vote tallies (I can’t bear to, honestly), but at one stage late last night, it seemed clear to me that the libertarians in Florida had a part in Obama’s win (in the sense that if they had voted Romney, the win may have gone otherwise). Whether they would have made a difference elsewhere in the country, I do not know.
As for evangelicals…. I belong to an online evangelical Christian forum. I can tell you that the vast majority (if not all) of the people posting on the politics part of that forum, voted for – and were fervently praying for – a Romney win. (Myself included.) Those forum members are probably equally as stunned, dismayed, astonished, sickened, and distressed as you are over the election results.
Is this true for all evangelical Christians? I don’t know, and I suspect that neither do you. But the ones on that forum, at least, recognized Mitt as a moral man who had a positive vision and plan for our country, and a love for our country (unlike, seemingly, the incumbent). They recognized that we were voting for a commander-in-chief, not a pastor-in-chief, and thus (in this context) LDS was irrelevant. Obama had to go. ABO.
(While initially many of them, just as you were, were NOT in favor of Romney, they were won over. Just as you were. I would be surprised if they were the only such evangelicals.)
In that vein, I ask that you please don’t be so quick to point the finger of blame in the evangelical Christian direction.
However, if you want to point fingers, I submit for your consideration the hints dropped by White House Insider on today’s Ulsterman entry. http://theulstermanreport.com/2012/11/07/white-house-insider-shut-up-move-on-or-not/
Election fraud? What else is new. Republicans complicit in it – to elect Obama?!! Horrifying thought.
When Artur Davis was speaking at the RNC, if I remember correctly, he said there were about 6 million Democrats who would not vote for Barak Obama this year.
I haven’t had time to read all the comments buta commenter on C4P said
“After the primaries Romney didn’t unite the party. Instead he didn’t even want Gov. Palin at the convention, threw the Tea Party under the bus and pissed off Ron Paul supporters. I guess he thought they were beneath him and would vote for him, if he did treat them like dirt….now he knows that he was wrong.”
This is in line with your thinking.
Kevin and gang, if you haven’t seen this yet, please watch.
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/the-stratosphere-lounge
It’s Bill Whittle; cue it up to the 45 minute mark and listen for 10 minutes or so to hear an idea that will set your hair on fire!
He’s talking about how to completely work AROUND the Left and their agenda, and it’s electrifying. I think he’s really on to something.
Is there a transcript?
Not as far as I know; does the video not work for you?
I can’t hear. As in, I’m deaf, since birth. I need captions, especially when person is speaking offscreen.
Ahhhhhhh..
I’ll see if I can dig something up.
Interesting. Is he crazy or a genius? Genius, I think.
I wholeheartedly second this. I haven’t gotten through the whole thing yet but after listening to the 10 minutes you recommended I was seriously excited. EVERYONE needs to listen to this.
Spread it to all your friends!
We’re all in a funk because the Left controls the levers of power, and instead of struggling to wrest them from the Left, we need to figure out how to *circumvent* them entirely.
When you can’t win the game because it’s rigged for the other side, reinvent the game. Take a whole new tack and let the old Democrat Media Complex dinosaur die under its own weight.
I’m talking to a bunch of my conservie internet pals about how to implement this, and if you do the same and your friends do the same and their friends do the same, it’s unstoppable.
Do not give way to despair, people.
Thanks for the link. I listened to it in its entirety. Will take hard work, thinking outside of the box, but it is doable.
I listened to it in it’s entirety yesterday morning, and again today just now. I suggest you NOT start 45 mins in and instead listen to it from the beginning.
He’s right that we have to forget trying to win via conventional politics. He’s right about everything, especially that our Constitution calls for a single requirement in order to work, and that is that we are a nation of virtuous people. Bill explains the nature of that word and how it applies here. It’s just an amazing recording.
This political loss is necessary for the liberation of America, and Bill is right, the government is standing in the way of us being Americans. America didn’t die on election night, America was re-born.
I am in. I am a Common Sense Resistor.
I suggested the 45 minute mark because I knew that anyone who listened to that portion would get hooked and then listen to the whole thing.
A lot of people who may not be familiar with Bill Whittle would click the link, see an 87 minute video, and close that tab right back up. Especially depressed, disheartened people burned out on political commentary.
What I want to see is term limits. It’s time to get the old geezers out.
Starting with the weasel Harry Reid.
When McCain lost, the GOP establishment blamed Gov Palin. When Romney lost the GOP establishment look to blame everyone but themselves.
We seriously need a viable third party. The GOP is done.
Some Christians are apathetic. They just don’t give a da**. They think Jesus will just rescue them from everything and all we have to do is go around telling people about Him and they will repent. I’m a strong evangelical Christian and I couldn’t believe the dumbos I ran into at my church. From someone who said he wrote in his own candidate because he can’t vote for a Mormon cultist, and that Obama wasn’t a Muslim, to others saying they just don’t know how to vote. Say what??? I used to be Catholic for a while and am thinking seriously of going back when my kids grow up. They’ve been brought up in Protestant churches, but the Catholic church was standing strong this election and spoke for their values. There are some protestant churches that did but they are the bigger, mega churches. It is a serious dividing of the wheat from the chaff. Many Christians are going to fall into sin because they can’t stand up under any pressure. Many others who already hate God are going to become even more hard-hearted. The rest of us will pray and trust God to take care of us in the midst of the ugliness and chaos that is going to ensue. Still hoping someone would just take care of Barry if you know what I mean (won’t be me!). Thanks for posting Wild Bill. I reposted it on my FB. Some Christians, and that’s many, are more united and of one mind than ever, and those are the Christians that voted and knew what we were up again. They see the truth of Obama. Those are the ones I’m sticking with. Thanks, Kevin, for all you do. You can’t help that you were wrong. So many did misjudge what would happen. I still believe it was voter fraud in Ohio, PA, NH, etc. But then again, maybe our country is just this deceived and stupid.
Re: the Catholic Church. If you think it will be a haven from leftism, know that 52% of Catholics voted for Obama this time. That is nearly unchanged from 2008. Even though Obama waged an open war against them, they still voted for him like an abused wife. There were some brave figures like Cardinal Dolan speaking out, but the Catholic Church has been so infected with the disease of “social justice” and the sympathy to Democrats and big government that goes with it, that despite many faithful priests who talked about the war on religious liberty from the pulpit, there are many others who are leftists. The US Council of Catholic Bishops only opposed Obamacare because of abortion funding; *other* than that, they actually supported the monstrosity, and have been pushing for gov’t healthcare since their inception in the early 1900′s. I have a Catholic acquaintance in Connecticut and she says the church is overwhelmingly leftist out there. And of course another very aggravating thing is how the Catholic church lets those like Sibelius, the Kennedys, Kerry, Pelosi, Biden, etc. be church members in good standing and never takes them to task or insist they adhere to church teachings or face excommunication. When they do this, it is essentially broadcasting to the world and their members that these people’s words, actions, and beliefs are A-OK with the Catholic church. Which is probably a big reason why 52% of Catholics think it’s OK to vote Democrat.
If you want to switch churches, I invite you to join us in the Lutheran Church Missouri Synod. http://www.lcms.org We’re not perfect (no one is), but we’re pretty traditional.
A large number of Ron Paul supporters had previously supported Obama. When Mitt Romney won the nomination, most of these people who would have left Obama for Ron Paul voted for Obama to keep out the lesser of two evils: Mitt Romney, from their point of view.
Wow, that did not come out the way it sounded in my head. Let’s try that again:
“When Mitt Romney won the nomination, most of these people who would have left Obama for Ron Paul voted for Obama to keep out the greater of two evils: Mitt Romney, from their point of view.”
(stupid dyslexic tendencies)
I am English and naturalized Canadian and love the US, which is hugely important to my adopted country. I think this is the fifth or sixth time I have experienced the fiscal insanity of the Left. It is made worse of course when the Right joins in. Not to sound pompous but from experience – you will survive!! Ocassionally it even rights itself. In Canada we went down the toilet fiscally over decades following Trudeau another economic illiterate ‘academic’. But in the 1990s a Left wing government fixed it and we moved to considerable fiscal health.I have lived and worked in the US and am always staggered by the sheer vibrancy of your country. You will come back.
However, a couple of things you will have to get used to. (1) now you have locked in a ‘socialized’ health system, it will become a dominant aspect of your politics because it absorbs so much money – this is true of all countries with such a system. (2) healthcare will also absorb both political sides as they try to tinker with it. Finally, with the boomer generation entering old age health issues and death will become a common experience for families far more than it has been as our lives stretched out. Pathways to death will be common discussion another regardless of how final care is paid for. Sorry did not mean to be depressing!!
I Lived in Canada for 30 years. No left wing government fixed ANYTHING up there. Look at BC when they elected the NDP in the early 90′s.I lived there for 30 years BC has little to no growth other than outsourced real estate industry and tourism.
I don’t blame Romney. He made some mistakes. He should have tried to please the Paul Bots by offering Ron Paul a place in his cabinet. Or offering Gary Johnson something. That might have made the libertarians soften to voting for him if they knew Gary Johnson or Ron Paul would be given something.
I still say we’ve got to work on hispanics. We’ve got to get into their groups and really get some hispanic leaders in our group. They are open. Just my take.
I find it hard to believe the evangelicals stayed home and/or did not vote for Romney. I’m an evangelical who moved from Utah a few years ago. I know there was reservation about voting for a Mormon among some evangelicals, but I think most overcame that when presented with the two choices–A person who says they are not evangelical but has standards and morals very similar to them, or someone who claims to be one of the evangelicals, but whose standards and morals are far from theirs. I was a pastor at a church in Utah and one of the other pastors at our church wrote a short book (published by Zondervan) directed at evangelicals titled “Should I vote for a Mormon?” His conclusion was yes, if his principles align with Biblical principles. The vast majority of evangelicals I know voted for Romney and really wanted him to win. Many are very upset that he didn’t.
We have become “Venezuela, or “Cuba”. .
I have read hundreds of posts today basically blaming “Romney, the GOP, the GOTV problems, everything except massive fraud of the voting machines.
The Republicans did not turn out 2.5 million voters less than McCain, no way in hell. As many of you have mentioned the momentum was in Romney’s favor – yet we don’t show up to vote? No way.
I morn for my country — it has been stolen. Hail Obama our dictator for 25 more years!
I have already told my kids to leave the US, their future here sucks, plus there probably will be a massive war in the next 3 years. ( Just looking back to progressive politics – Wilson, FDR).
I just got my lights back and now we are having wet snow reminiscent of the kind of snow you get in an ice storm in January, not November. It’s going to weigh down the power lines and there will be more outages.
I could tell you all countless stories. All I know is that without electricity you can do nothing. You are beholden to the newsradio guys on your emergency radio, which eats batteries and doesn’t work very well even though it was $129 from the red cross. If they limit your gas, you can’t even drive to a warm location.
I was under the impression that the romney campaign was going to keep track of the republicans voting. In the third debate I felt Romney was odd, not himself. I thought maybe something was up with his wife and/or family and he was distracted. I spent last night in the company of celebrating democrats to be able to watch the results and have some warmth. It was a horrendous experience and I realize that we are so far removed from these people it’s like we live in two different countries. They insisted that Romney was getting security briefings and decided he didn’t want the job, similar to McCain and that’s why the third debate went wrong. They also read and believe what they see on the conspiracy sites. Things we routinely laugh at as bizarre, they believe. There was actually a point at which they were discussing 2012 and the apocolypse as though it were something very real. I was shown many emails from their bud, barack. Familiar friendly emails as though they were best buds.
Since we had the storm, the last thing I knew was romney was winning and things were looking up. When Christie has a bromance with Obama, I knew he knew the internals weren’t good. People want to dismiss that as the fact that he had to fawn over the president to get aid for his state. I don’t buy it. Cuomo didn’t do it. He said “go out and exercise your right to vote”. What was missing was the “vote for president obama”. Yesterday afternoon, they played the president thanking Romney for a good contest. It was then I knew he’d lost. Plus the fact that the luminaries like rush and hannity were transparent. I think the republicans are really dump. They actually beleive all these ex democrats like Morris and take their advice to heart. All these folks, Morris, Trump, Christie, all of talk radio, led us down the garden path. This guy cunningham was swearing Ohio would go Romney. Selena Zito and some other chick on Batchelor were swearing that Ohio would go Romney. Kevin believed in his heart of hearts that Ohio would go Romney. Why didn’t it go Romney? And why did Romney concede so quickly? Several people have remarked to me that they felt they were watching a movie that they were in. The people pouring into the venue to celebrate. The carefully crafted shots of black and white women of all ages celebrating together. The people pouring into Times Square. Romney felt pressure from the crowds? I know, everyone said that he had no path to victory. I don’t know, after all this election crap we’ve all been through, he at least owed us no concession speech. Obama would have made his victory speech anyway. Just like when Al Gore refused to concede over Florida. I really began to feel that Romney pulled a McCain and decided to lose as it was his to win and people voted against obama, not for romney.
I don’t trust Rove. He positioned Jeb Bush/:Liz Chaney as the new team for 2016. No way will I ever vote for either of them. They are good people but enough of the dynasties. Bush, Sr. chose his favorite son, not hsi smartest son to run for president. And LIz Chaney, though a smart woman, is part of that dynasty.
In my book Romney made a lot of bad moves, but most people were still willing to vote for him as a turnaround guy.
Can’t watch any cable news anymore. Today they said the Republicans have to move toward the president for the good of the country. Honestly, everyone I know who voted for Romney are willing to have the republicans do nothing but block everything the democrats want to do for the next four years. The republicans are misreading their voters. We don’t want to compromise now, we want to stick it to them, for the good of the country.
BTW, I’d love to know who decided the country should have these stupid electronic voting machines? On line waiting for the dem to scan my vote, there were no republicans at the venue, everyone was saying it was a stupid system. You fill out a giant scantron and they scan it. They showed the woman in front of me who she voted for and the woman said “Is that who you want to vote for, if not, go back they’ll give you a new sheet”> It occurred to me last night that my vote was just “registered” I didn’t get to look and see who I was voting for on the screen. And, what happened to that scantron sheet? Was it disposed of or did they change it and run it anyway later that evening? There is so much chaos in the voting place you don’t think to ask these questions, you’re just happy to finally vote. I think there is a lot of opportunity for voter fraud in this new system. I like our old system, ancient machines and you clicked and saw an X for the person you wanted to vote for. When you were done, you pulled the lever across and you voted. It was a better system. Apparently, someone in my country is challenging results and paying for a recount because they felt the machines malfunctioned, which might mean they didn’t register enough votes for him or her.
Think about it, chrisite told the people of new jersey they could vote by email or fax cause he knew Romney wasn’t winning. If you observe, that third debate was a turning point among the republican glitterati. What happened? What did they learn? Why did they know they were going to lose but forgot to tell us?
Well, let’s see… anecdotally, myself and Chris did vote for Gary Johnson (because we live in Illinois, and we all know where THOSE electoral votes were going, I figured a third party vote would make sense for us) and Republican for all of the other tickets. But I doubt I would have voted third party for the presidency if I was in any other state.
Kevin,
Thank you for being so positive. Yesterday, I was walking around work whispering “landslide”. Today, I have been despondent and for the first time in my life ashamed of my country (the electorate). I will keep reading and hoping that there is something we can do that will change the course that this election has determined for us.
Here is a link to a succinct article about why the election went the way it did.
http://thehayride.com/2012/11/dont-blame-romney-and-dont-blame-the-campaign/
Don’t blame it on the Evangelicals. This poll would seem to indicate their participation was up from 2008.
http://networkedblogs.com/EtnHa
Kevin can you provide your source for the 3 million votes less than McCain and 10 million votes less for Obama? I wanted to share it with someone and I can’t seem to find it. She’s telling me nothing has been published on that data yet….thanks.
YBack in the Spring, there was a news article stating Wikileaks, that McCain knew there was voter fraud going on, and chose not to do anything.
I’ve also read that Republicans are terrified if they do something against Obama, there will be riots the likes of never seen before.
I believe massive fraud took place, I know for a fact it happened in 2008 in Ohio…once again Republicans will refuse to confront it due to being afraid of race riots.
We have allowed the left to get the upper hand, because uses “racism” to smack us down, now we have all these black gangs, Hispanic gangs…but Lord don’t ever talk about them …it’s not PC and they might riot!
So our Country goes down the tubes because people are afraid!
I am so fedup with our youth: white, black, Hispanic, Asian etc..wanting to be like a gangsta rapper!
4 years ago, my brother told me Obama was a Muslim, and a gay one at that. I thought he was crazy. From this blog and others, he was proven right.
My brother has been telling me all year that it doesnt matter who we vote for. I asked him last week if he was voting and he said no, because it didn’t matter. I was shocked at his seeming lack of patriotism.
He said that the election is designed to be close so that we feel like our vote matters, as well as to keep us divided—that the president is selected by a few powerful people. I didn’t believe. I said that we were going to win by a landslide and we made a bet.
Last night, I couldn’t believe we lost and kept saying to my friends that “something is wrong”. I must say that from everything I am reading today, I have to believe he is right. I think the system is now rigged and we have no control. It scares the hell out of me, but I now truly believe that we the people are screwed.
I don’t know what it is going to take to fix it or if it can ever be fixed. I am truly saddened by this realization. I am brokenhearted.
I believe this is true with everything in me. It is fixed and no amount of education, changing strategy will make a difference until the corruption is exposed. The truth must be told. The Whole truth must be told by people who know. If not we will just be puppets like other 3rd worlds. Obama and machine stole this election and stole other measures on ballots as well. It is FACT.
You know I have been thinking about this all day.
Still stunned beyond belief.
I know that they believe that we can spend our way out of debt, but if that were true then I should have been spending like a crazy fool these last 4 years. I could have my house paid off and I could retire. What an idiot I have been. /sarc.
I find it hard to believe that Ron Paul supporters, or any other supporters that weren’t 100% sure about Romney from the beginning, would actually stay home and sit this one out. I seriously doubt it. I’m sure some people had their hangups, but just for the chance to vote Obama out of office, this was pretty powerful, and I believe that enough people did go out to vote and vote him OUT. I have to say, I don’t know what really happened, but the numbers just don’t add up. And I’m also not buying all this business about Hurricane Sandy, pictures with Christie, whatever! This does not make any sense to me. Problems with the ballots? now THAT makes sense to me. I hate to say it, but I’ll put it out there, could it be that the election was stolen? Hmmmm……..
I agree! The hurricane didn’t help Obama. All it did was neutralize Romney because the news was more about the victims and devastation.
I am a Katrina survivor and voting was the last thing I would have done. Hunting for water, food, shelter, and – literally – a pot to pee in was no fun. Thank God it happened the end of August of 2005 when it wasn’t freezing during the night.
Sandy victims, if it was anything remotely close to Katrina, were not worried about voting. If they were able to talk to family around the country, (generally speaking) they were in their own nightmare and wanted serious help and didn;t want a ballot for voting purposes.
However, the general public has been lied to that Sandy produced many to vote for Obama. I really doubt that. I live in the real world.
A week before the election someone looked me right in the eye and said “everyone under 30 is voting for Barack, he’s going to win, get used to it”. I’ve been thinking about that all week. Other people in that age group got very down. They were upset because they were hearing on fb and twitter that Romney was going to lose and they felt no matter how much they argued, people weren’t listening.
When Beck was on regular cable he said a lot of things about indoctrination which make sense to me now. When I graduated school you were considered sort of a failure if you couldn’t get a job in the private sector. If you had to take a government job, this was looked down on. If you had to become a teacher it meant you took the easy road. I’m not insulting government employees or teachers, I’m saying that the people who rose up the ranks were hired in the 1970′s and they were not the cream of the crop, quite the opposite. At the same time some began to realize the racket teaching was and all the benefits. Sure, some had a calling to teaching but others saw the benefits, all the time off in summer, the huge pensions and since they couldn’t get hired in the private sector they went into teaching. Have heard many a good teacher complain about these teachers, the ones who came for the money and stayed and now outnumber the ones with the calling. Anyway, they’ve indoctrinated the children in the way of the left. They’ve taught them to quietly acquiesce. They’ve taught them that cooperation and compromise are prized and fighting for what you believe in is wrong. They’ve taught them their version of history and government. In the meantime, well educated parents in the middle class thought if they both worked they could give more to their children and position them to do better than they had done. Just as their parents sacrificed before them. But then you had two exhausted parents at home and no one watching the school. No one realizing the kids were being taught values counter to the values their parents held by the loser kids in college who hung out in the lounge didn’t go to class and smoked pot. So parents gave their kids everything and their kids gave their parents two terms of Barack Obama as a thank you. The kids have no clue of their parent’s values and when those values are explained, the kids tell the parents that they are the 1% or the 5% and this is wrong and has to be corrected and Barack will correct it. That is said after they tell their parents that they are white racists. These “kids” refuse to hear any opinion opposite to their own. They refuse to have any discussion. Their parents generation is wrong, period. And, the birth control stuff really did get them to go out and vote. Well, of course this is important to them. Their parents have been working all their lives so they could go away to a good college and not have the pressures their parents had in college of working two sometimes three jobs to make ends meet. No, they wanted their children to have fun and be able to study. Instead they are partying, taking drugs and having sex. College has become for many a very very very expensive four year party paid for by parents who will be put before death panels and dispensed with by brain washed “kids” who will begin to agree that their world is over populated and you reached a certain age, you’ve had a good life, so if they withhold medical care, well that’s the way the cookie crumbles, deal with it. These “kids” refuse to watch fox news, they believe absolutely that fox news is republican propaganda. Yet, they read conspiracy sites and are perfectly willing to tell you all kinds of theories that tie nine eleven to the republicans. They claim their parents are racist, yet they group all hispanics and blacks and other nationalities into groups as though group think is the only way to go depending on what box they categorize you in.
Many of us tried to tell the romney campaign. Barack reached his voters by going on the talk news shows like the daily show cause that’s where they get their news. He reached them by tweeting and by sending them emails saying “hey what up, it’s barack” (give me 25 bucks or we’ll lose and they did, every single time)
Romney should not have conceded last night. something isn’t right about the vote. But the dems rely on the republicans being the nerdy intelligent polite kids who do everything by the book, including gracefully losing. They manipulated Romney into conceding. He didn’t want to cause a fuss, he wanted to play nice. Would be fascinating if we find out there was rampant voter fraud.
Oh and the ron paul voters voted for Gary Johnson. Do you blame them, every conservative blogger refused to allow you to mention the presidential records issue or the name of ron paul on their blog. You were attacked if you tried to bring up either issue. Why was that? Who was calling all the shots on these conservative sites? Sarah Palin is also persona non grata and so are pro lifers. They get attacked. The conservative bloggers had their sites populated by lefties pretending to be conservatives. Go back and look in the archives, these people would attack anyone espousing conservative values saying you can’t win as a republican if you bring up these issues. They were willing to criticize anyone who brought up any issue they deemed unacceptable. After a while, when you look at some of these alleged conservative bloggers who enjoy wide readership you begin to wonder why they enjoy this readership if they constantly censor their sites? If a blogger, and I call them bloggers cause writer is too good a term for them, turn out to be democratic plants I would not be surprised. They are worried about their hits and their paychecks, not true republican/conservative/American values. That’s what is wrong really people want to be liked, to be part of the cool kids, so they sacrifice their values, sort of like selling your soul to the devil.
I’ve been distracted most of the week with my mother breaking her ankle and ending up in a nursing home so this fiasco of an election has actually taken second billing in my thoughts at times. Can you believe it?
Anyway, I think what actually happened is a combination of a lot of little things that snowballed into a very big problem for the GOP. And might still be snowballing. Collectively the numbers add up.
Was there some voter fraud? Yeah, probably, but that most likely happens every time and is something we need to be diligent about. Period.
I also believe that a lot of true independents either sat things out or went third party.
I say that because in 2008, a great many of those independents were actually rather attracted to a certain someone from the great white North, contrary to what people would have anyone believe but that person and all those around her were dissed by Romney and the GOP this year. And people WERE paying attention.
It’s not just the independents that that applies to. Where Palin tried to pull the base together, Romney & company completely ignored their own base. People talk about a ground game. Well, there might’ve been a ground game in every single one of those magical mystical “important” battleground states – but there wasn’t one anywhere else. I certainly didn’t see any get out to the vote effort around here by the GOP or anyone else.
And I say this as a child of Reagan Democrats and knows what a full court press get-out-the-vote campaign looks like. Because we did it in Kentucky. For Reagan. Twice.
You don’t ignore anyone or any state. Friend or foe. Democrats, GOP or independents. You leave no stone unturned and you go after them all.
But did the so-called Romney machine?
Uh-no.
Here in California, I and every fellow Evangelical I know, united behind Romney. Many of us would have preferred Ron Paul (my wife and I included), most of us have real issues with Mormon theology (but NOT their morality). But getting Obama out was properly understood to be a higher priority.
Can’t speak for the rest of the country, but here in So-Cal, the conservative evangelicals were NOT no-shows.
Kevin -
Debbie Schlussel has inadvertently rediscovered your ‘Class vs. Crass’ concept:
http://www.debbieschlussel.com/56071/election-night-fashion-ann-romney-v-michelle-hussein-obama-says-it-all/
P.S. I trust her honesty……
One more thing… on voter fraud… IMHO, there is NO WAY that Ron Paul didn’t win the GOP primary in California.
No Way.
No other Republican generated even 2% of the enthusiasm as Ron Paul out here. Before the primaries, I knew exaclty ONE person who was pro Romney; EVERYONE else was for Ron Paul.
So….yes, we all dutifully turned out for Romney. But the system may well have been hopelessly rigged against us, long ago.
Not just California, but states like Maine and Iowa. Some people are very good at voter fraud.
I will never be convinced it was not outright fraud..and you go Col West!!
somehow, I don’t think this is over…
I’m glad this question on Evangelicals is being asked here, not because I believe for a second that they stayed home, but because people have been making these claims since yesterday and the matter should be aired.
No one asserting this has offered any proof, and it was not raised as a serious issue during the nomination process or after Romney secured the nomination this Spring.
The scapegoats are being lined up to be lead out for the two minutes hate. I believe it’s a preplanned campaign to blame this loss on certain parts of the GOP base, to shame them into compliance and and to create the narrative that to be successful in future contests, these troublesome wings of the GOP base must be willing to part with their principles.
It’s BS, of course and it was planned well ahead of time.
The elites perched atop the GOP pyramid have nothing but contempt for the Tea Party faithful and the Evangelical and Social Conservatives. They see them(us) as knuckledraggers who stand in the way of the their goal of bi-partisan co-operation with the Democrats- no matter how radical that party has become.
Boehner and the rest are colluding with the Left to achieve their goals- they’ve been funding Obamacare for God’s sake!
Here’s Boehner in an interview with Great, referring to Republican opponents of TARP as “knuckledraggers”-
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/08/14/boehner_calls_opponents_to_tarp_knuckledraggers.html
Ever hear any of the top Democrats publicly referring to their activist base in such terms?
And please people, don’t buy into this talk of “demographic drift” that’s been bandied about to explain last night’s “loss”. If Romney’s final Popular Vote tally is indeed three million less than McCain’s and it’s not primarily due to fraud, then the problem would be bad messaging of the Romney campaign or bad GOTV by the RNC.
If “Obama” had won this election with a substantially larger share of votes than he earned on ’08 and it could be established that this was due to unusually high Minority turnout, then it would be correct to credit that victory to changing demographics.
This “demographics” canard that’s been trumpeted on blogs and talk radio all day and which we’ll be bombarded with for weeks and months to come is also a preplanned campaign to demoralize the anti-Amnesty crowd and prepare them to accept the Amnesty deal that’s being drawn up by the two parties as we speak. There are maybe several factors that add up to last night’s result, but “demographics” is not chief among them.
This is all a Psy-Ops, and it’s being run by the GOP in collusion with the White House.
Kevin—I am glad to see you are still in the fight!!!! Although we come from slightly different angles, you and I end up in the same place. Here are some thoughts about where to go from here:
http://womenwintoo.blogspot.com/2012/11/so-where-do-we-go-from-here.html
Here’s a link that says in 2008 there were 132,618,580 votes. http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0781453.html
The Detroit News shows that there were 120,257,358 votes yesterday.
If these numbers are correct that’s a difference of 1,236,123. This is far less than what you are reporting, and I’d really like to believe your numbers. If you can post where you got them from that would be appreciated. I still don’t even believe that this number is correct because from all I saw Tuesday the numbers should have been much, much higher than 2008. Taken with all of the exit poll information it sure seems like something was rigged. On Rush’s show yesterday he just couldn’t believe the number of people that gave the president approval on a whole range of things. I think he said that 65% of those polled said they approved of the way the President handled Hurricane Sandy…a photo op and a 2 hour stroll on the beach. Either these polls were rigged or we are at a new level of stupid.
The difference is ~12+ million not ~1+ million.
If I may, I’d like to suggest a book for all of us to read. “The Blueprint, How the Democrats won Colorado, (and Why Republicans Everywhere should care).
There is much to learn from this book, I’ve seen the same tactics used in my state and I suspect, it played a role in your state. I am going to go to as many conservative and GOP meetings as I can in my area with this book in hand and examples of how it has been implemented locally, and suggest people read it and learn from it.
One analysis which would be useful is to know how many 3rd party candidates made an impact on Senate / House and local races. For example, Josh Mandel got 45%, independent candidate 5% and Brown won with 50%. Expect the Left to run a 3rd party in every election, it is part of their strategy.
For what it’s worth, I work with a Paulbot who said he wasn’t voting as he’d just as soon see the whole monetary system collapse. We’re both huge Atlas Shrugged fans, but, at the time, I couldn’t go along with him on that idea. Now that we are on the inevitable path all of us fear, and try to bury deep in our subconscious, I’ve come around to agree with him. Let the whole damn thing collapse. The strong and prepared, we, survive. If any of their ilk remain, they must be converted or destroyed as societies cancer they are. This staying above the fray shit has got to end. It got us where we are today.
I found a post on Gateway Pundit from the Christian Post saying Evangelicals turned out in record numbers this election http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/11/record-evangelical-turnout-was-overshadowed-by-youth-and-minority-voters-for-obama/
This election was stolen, pure and simple. The Democrats rigged the machines so Obama and the Senate would win, while allowing the House to remain Republican. We worked hard for Romney, along with many other volunteers across the country, and we saw tremendous enthusiasm. After knocking on thousands of doors and calling thousands of people, we felt confident, especially since there were far more Romney signs, there were overflow crowds at his rallies, and the Republicans distributing literature at the polls kept running out of sample ballots. Romney was at 53% in VA in early results, which tend to represent the urban, liberal districts, and yet he lost the state???? How is it possible that Obama narrowly won EVERY SINGLE swing state? I just watched a YouTube clip of a programmer testifying under oath that he rigged machines to manipulate votes. It’s at http://www.therightplanet.com They also had a post about the suspiciously missing military ballots, and the fact that every state with photo voter ID laws went for Romney. We must not draw the wrong conclusions from this race, as Rush is, and think we’re outnumbered. We must continue to fight the good fight at the state level and for the 2014 elections.
this is what we promised, isnt it? you know a lot about ron paul supporters, by now. have we given you any reason to believe we are dishonest? have we given you any reason to believe we are unprincipled?
i voted for johnson. others wrote in paul. others stayed home. and others voted for obama to maximize chance of a romney loss. there were big discussions and fights among paul loyalists as to which course was the best. very very few advocated voting for romney.
you have some idea how to win us back in 2016. will you?
RP supporters voting for Obama, yeah great way to stand on principles. I cannot wait(snark) for the Supreme Court (lower courts too) appointments, you think we are losing our rights now, just wait a few more years. Kay Hagan clones to come….
I had many concerns with Romney, yet I voted against Obama and cast my ballot for R/R. I much prefer Rand Paul to Ron, Rand seems to see the big picture and given what is at stake with this election, he came around to support Romney. 4 more years of Obama, Valerie Jarrett, David Axelrod, Eric Holder, HHS, DHS, Ben’s Fed policies, EPA over-reach, Federal Land grabs, unbelievable rules of engagement for our troops, etc…no, I could not do that to my kids. I left it all on the field.
I agree, Romney made a mistake with the Convention, not reaching out to conservatves, in my state, the only conservative to visit was Scott Walker and that was only for a fundraiser, the rest were weak moderates. It is not for me to try to win you back, I hope there is enough of the Republic to save in 2016. My frustration with RP supporters in my area is they did nothing to help, you would think they would at least want to support conservative judges or serve as poll observers to make sure elections are fair. I could not recruit one to do anything. I’ll work to hold our elected officials accountable and educate others especially on economic issues. I hope you will do something and not sit on your hands waiting for us to win you back.
I can only speak for myself, but I am a McCain voter who didn’t stay home, but instead voted for Gary Johnson in this election. I left the Republican party just over a year ago because I could no longer reconcile my deep seeded beliefs in the government staying out of our business with the social conservative wing of the republican party that is gaining more and more influence in elections.
I was never part of the Ron Paul revolution (despite the fact that the last time I commented on a post here, Tammy ignored every logical thing I said and instead screamed PAUL BOT at me until I finally gave up trying to have a rational discussion and haven’t been back until today). I was a legit republican – I started the College Republicans at my college in 2002. I worked hours and hours on campaigning for Republicans. I voted for George Bush in 2004 and McCain in 2008 (the only two elections I’ve been old enough to vote in so far).
The republican party is pushing people like me out, and I think that is what explains the drop in votes this time. It’s not just Ron Paul folks, it’s people like me who Ron Paul never appeal to, but who jumped ranks because the Republicans are losing touch with younger, more moderate voters. I mean, it seems strange even to me that as an 18 year old I was a Republican and as a 29 year old I’m a libertarian. That shows that the Republicans are going backwards, not forwards.
This is very good stuff. I want to learn more about the Whig party and how it met its demise. If the Democrats are going to be the party of centralized control, we need an opposing party the is about decentralization, and not just about doing centralized control “better.”
What you stated, Erin, leads me to believe your political perspective is evolving. Where will your political beliefs be in another 10 years? Of course you can’t answer.
One thing is certain. You threw away your vote because Gary had no chance at all. Don’t you think it would have been better served to have voted for either Romney and Obama? I imagine many would agree with me on this point.
…..just sayin.
Kevin,
You Okay? Where are you?
I think he’s taking a break to decompress. Remember he was blogging at a furious pace up to Election day.
They didn’t lose Ron Paul supporters because of poor treatment at the convention, but it didn’t help either. Romney left a lot to be desired in a candidate.
The libertarians aren’t at fault here. We did everything we could to prevent the Repubs from putting up Romney. It’s evil to say that our votes for Gary Johnson cost Repubs the election. It assumes that we’d vote for Romney in any case.
I’ve heard all kinds of things. College students voting absentee and in person in the state where they go to school. I’ve heard that one a lot and they think nothing of it, like it’s ok, cause it’s for barack.
Heard a tease from batchelor. It seemed like batchelor was “in the can’ last night, no courage to come and confront the fact that he said pennsylvania was going to Romney. Tonight’s teaser was something about blunt Governor Christie saying “romney lost cause he didn’t get enough votes”.
I think if there was no cheating whatsoever, Romney lost cause he hired the wrong people to run is campaign. He took the wrong advice. Leaving anyone out of “the big tent” makes “the big tent” a total joke. I might not agree with everything the Paul supporters believe or everything the Gary Johnson supporters believe but I bet we could find plenty of common ground. Romney allowed the democrats to dictate how he ran things. He thought about their reactions first, so much so that the man was stunted, didn’t have normal reactions, seemed odd.
On election night I was in a very crowded, (thank God, warm) place on election night. I had to waste a lot of gas to drive very far but the warmth and the television coverage was worth it. There were young and old. These people talked about 2012 and the Apocalypse like it was normal. They talked about all these out there fringe conspiracy theories as though they were willing to entertain them. I heard some bizarre stuff the other night, out of parents who are lawyers and doctors that I’d never heard before. They were impressed that we would come into their bastion and have the nerve to admit we weren’t dems and argued, very politely, the reasons why they “didn’t believe Romney”
The saddest part was that I am pro life, always have been. It saddens me how many abortions are done in this country. I feel there is a short walk from killing our young in the womb to killing our old when we’ve decided “they’ve lived enough”. These people who all seem educated, reasonable and holding down very prestigious jobs all seemed to think that we will have to “limit population” and that abortion is preferable to early termination of older human beings. What frightened me was the look in their eyes when they said this stuff, I couldn’t see their soul, I couldn’t see their humanity, to them, it was simply a scientific and population decision that would eventually have to be made. This is the democratic party we’re dealing with.
I personally know a lot of people who voted for Gary Johnson. One of them said to me “he lost me when he said he’d continue fighting the war on drugs, we’ve already lost that war, which made me think his judgement wasn’t as advertised”.
Point of order, I don’t remember Romney saying anything about this but he was looking for it and heard it.
Also they left nothing to chance. Republicans would probably take issue with the way the dems treat their representative volunteers. They leave nothing to chance, everything is scripted. You are trained exactly how to answer any and all questions and you must answer in the prescribed way.
BTW, seems they’ve lied about the gasoline situation, rumor is that this will go on for weeks. We’ve now gone to “odd/even”. Eventually you won’t be able to go to work if you can’t find gas. If someone thinks there will be gas the next day, they stay online all night until the station opens, you can’t find a station without avery long line that goes for blocks with all kinds of twists and turns. A friend had the cops called on him by people in the line who thought he cut the line. Instead he had been backing up toward the gas station and was turning around his car, they called the cops, the cops made him get off the line and threatened to arrest him. lovely, even though people on the line vouched for the guy and said he was just turning his car around.
Hannity is talking about the crew that got his power back. We had people from Ohio take away the downed trees on the wires and days and days later we had crew from Wisconsin come through like the cavalry to fix and replace the wires. They told us all that it wasn’t “ordinary storm damage” and there are a lot of rumors cause some areas sustained way more damage than others, people are saying there were small tornadoes within the hurricane that did major damage. Makes you wonder if that is true.
Thank the Honey Boo Boos too! For two days I’ve been railing about the Hispanic voter we’ll never get, the African Americans who only came out to vote for their guy, but we all forgot about the all the trashy WHITE WELFARE recipients who didn’t like Obama, but loved his welfare. Like in rural south eastern Ohio where high unemployment was rampent and little future growth. They knew they’d more and it would be easy street with Obama in office, no skin off their noses. So fellow conservatives, the 3 million who didn’t show up to vote were all ours, and we need to own that. Disenfranchising the Ron Paul supporters on Romney’s part was also stupid.
My neighbor is a huge Ron Paul supporter. I think that cult is just like Obama’s. Anyway, he didn’t vote, his leader did not endorse anyone. You could be on to something. I am curious, did they release the demographics on those missing voters? I wonder if they could also be disenfranchised Palin supporters.
Personally, I think the party is a lot easier to fix from the inside. Now that Obama gets another four, amnesty, the democrat win in 2014, at least two supreme court picks, Obamacare, military cuts, a few UN treaties for good measure, the list goes on. How do you rectify all that for sitting home? I mean hey, I am all about principle, but it matters not when the possibility of ANY republican, conservative or moderate probably not winning an election for many years. The deck was just stacked against us big time. Makes no sense to me to sit home.
Because you asked, Kevin: Evangelicals went through with their threat to sit home because Romney is a member of the LDS Church
I do not think this happened because the South has a great deal of evangelicals and the South turned out. I am basing it on this reason only.
I’ve read that rural Ohioans did not turn out as projected. Also, Romney expected PA to be in play and it wasn’t close. A number of wards around Philly produced 94%, 96%, 99% voter turn out. Yes, that is right… and Colorado had some counties with much higher turn out than that which in a honest election is impossible. And who do you think these wards and counties voted for in high numbers? Obama. FL had very strange election issues too.
It looks as though the key swing states received quite a bit of voter fraud.
It would be interesting to know how voter ID law states voted compared to 2008′s election turn out. It would be interesting to know how each state voted compared to 2008, frankly.
Ron Paul supporters staying home is, at least in part, exactly what happened. Several called into the Michael Medved show yesterday, one was an evangelical pastor, both whining about how mistreated Ron Paul had been.
Medved tried to point out that he had been included in all the debates, his delegates included in the RNC convention and he simply didn’t win enough votes. It didn’t matter.
The pastor said that he leads several congregations and left the impression that he probably encouraged his flock to stay home as well. Paul is a nasty, vindictive person as are his supporters. Idiots.