BREAKING NEWS: Two sources in Chicago diplomatic circles identify Ambassador Chris Stevens as gay (meaning State Department sent gay man to be ambassador to Libya)
[ Ambassador Chris Stevens in the 70s with male companion Austin Tichenor, whose Facebook profile has been displaying photos and remembrances of Stevens the last few days including references to the gay-themed novel "Brideshead Revisited" whose main characters were star-crossed, doomed lovers "Sebastian" and "Charles"...which is not a far cry from the names "Austin" and "Chris", as some of Austin's friends have noted on Facebook. ]
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Today I went out into the field here in Chicago looking to talk to some of the striking teachers but no one in a red-shirt was anywhere to be found (or, if they were wearing one, they had nothing to do with the teachers’ union strike). A journalist friend of mine asked me to nose around and see if I could uncover anything about slain Ambassador Chris Stevens, who was rumored to be gay. A former “roommate” of Stevens by the name of Austin Tichenor lives and works in Chicago and while making calls to friends of mine in the theater world who know him I also thought to check some sources with the city who deal with the State Department and foreign dignitaries when they are in town.
Of course, they’ve all been talking about Ambassador Stevens’ murder by Muslims in Libya: and all of them are incredulous that the State Department sent a gay man to be ambassador to a Muslim country. News reports continue to indicate that the Muslims who murdered Stevens also raped him repeatedly, before and after his death.
I was told by friends in the City’s protocol office to go over to the Second Story Bar in downtown Chicago, just off Michigan Avenue, because it’s where a lot of gay guys who work for both the city and the consulates go after work. Chicago is home to a great number of consulates, including the Polish, Chinese, and Serbian consulates amongst others. I happened to luck out when the bartender working, who is a friend, tipped me off that a man in a suit talking to some other foreign-looking types worked at the Serbian consulate a few doors up the street towards the lake.
Second Story Bar is literally on the second floor of a nondescript building whose ground level houses some sort of Thai restaurant. A psychic’s office is prominently advertised on the door leading to a steep flight of stairs and a blank green steel door that hides the tucked-away bar. The place has the feel of a speakeasy, with exposed bricks and battered plaster on the walls and an oddball collection of black and white photographs and pig-themed folk art scattered over drinkers’ heads in any exposed space.
I’m forever perplexed that actual reporters don’t camp out in these sorts of places because great scoops are very easy to find if you just go in there and ask questions. The Serbian consulate employee identified himself to me as “Dino” and wouldn’t give me any more of a name than that, but told me it was no secret that Chris Stevens was gay and that “it was stupid to send him to Libya as the ambassador when he was a known homosexual”.
Dino explained in great detail that the brutal sodomizing of Stevens’ corpse was something that Muslims do to show the “utmost disrespect to the body” and that this is “a great insult in Islam” reserved for homosexuals. ”It is like making him a woman in death and he will be a woman now after life” the Serbian explained to me. There’s a good chance this guy was Muslim too, and gay, which makes my head spin more than a little since he seemed to have no anger at all in his voice that Muslims in Libya assassinated the American ambassador and then sodomized his corpse.
“He should not have gone there” was the general consensus from this man.
You won’t hear any of this in the media, no doubt, but in Chicago’s diplomatic circles at least there is no doubt that Chris Stevens was gay and that pretty much anyone in the diplomatic world knew that. That includes the Libyans who were hired as security at the consulate in Benghazi who betrayed Ambassador Stevens and assisted in his murder.
Meanwhile, the White House is ignoring the fact that a gay ambassador to a Muslim country was murdered and they are in fact still pretending that all of this is about some obscure movie about Muhammad and has nothing at all to do with Barack Obama repeatedly and vociferously spiking the football over killing Osama bin Laden (which took place all throughout the Democrats’ convention last week).
TUNE in to the HillBuzz & Mrs. Fox Show tonight at 1030pm CST to listen to more on this story as it develops (click same link to hear in archives later too).
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UPDATE: Here’s a graphic I’ve seen making the rounds on Facebook that says it all…
I think the “ImpeachNancyPelosi” group on Facebook started this one but I don’t know that for sure.
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UPDATE #2: Here are more tributes that are being posted on Ambassador Stevens’ friend Austin’s Facebook page.
* calling them “two gay poets”
* referencing the tragic gay story “Brideshead Revisited” regarding Chris and Austin’s relationship in the past.
People here in Chicago are very openly talking about Chris Stevens being gay…and yet he was sent to be the ambassador to Libya at a time when Muslims were toppling governments and introducing radical Islamists into power.
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UPDATE: 9/16/2012 — the corrupt media is still not reporting on Ambassador Stevens being raped by Muslims before and after he was assassinated. The Left is claiming “that didn’t happen” and also showing only cropped images of the Ambassador, shirtless, with captions saying “he’s being carried to safely by helpers from the crowd!”. No, the Muslims were stripping him naked, removing his belt and pants, and raping him. The uncensored photos show the man stripped nude and being dragged off by Muslims to be violated.
The corrupt media is whitewashing all this because it (a) makes Muslims look terrible for raping Ambassador Stevens (and then his corpse) and (b) it hurts Obama for people to know that Muslims raped the male American ambassador before and after killing him. Male-rape is not what this administration wants to talk about six weeks before an election.
You can EASILY read all about the rape via foreign news sources in the Middle East which have no qualms reporting it.
One good source is the Lebanese media. If you can’t read squiggles and little dots that look like bugs, they have an English version too that was linked here. The Libyan Free Press is also extensively reporting on the rape of Ambassador Stevens.
Pamela Geller at AtlasShrugs is, of course, on top of this as always. BareNakedIslam is covering it like crazy too.
If you don’t know about this, it’s because you either purposefully don’t WANT to know or you’re foolishly just getting your news from the corrupt media and receiving only the information they want to give you after it has been best censored to help Obama.
Verumserum just posted this video purporting to be of Ambassador Stevens’ body being recovered from wreckage by the Muslims who would shortly thereafter drag his corpse through the streets, strip the body naked, and rape it; the corrupt media will not show you these monsters shouting “Allah Akbar! Allah Akbar! Allah Akbar!” as they do this, but here it is:
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It doesn’t matter if he was straight, gay, bi, or asexual. It matters that our ambassador was murdered in a horrendous method and his body paraded around like an animal by savages. My religious beliefs doesn’t condone homosexuality but it strongly condemns murder. Murder destroys the most precious thing we have, our life. It doesn’t matter the orientation of the victim, murder is murder. Our ambassador had family and people that loved & cared for him. My heart goes out to those that mourn the loss of this man.
Will Ganz:
It most certainly DOES matter if he was gay. What is wrong with you?? There could be foul play..
This is what they do to gay people in Muslim lands.
This SHOULD be huge news.
Sir, you do not know what you are talking about. I spent a lot of time in the middle east and Saudi Arabia. There are lots of gays escorting there rich businessman boyfriends. They are right out in the open and everyone knows what they are. You are ignorant.
my brother in law worked in Saudi Arabia for years. He said there was a huge problem in Saudi Arabia with open gay men and their boy toys,, in fact in Afghanistan there is a practice in that country where they take young male lovers… but they do not call it homosexuality. I find this interesting as that is what was portrayed in that crappy little movie about Islam was it not?
Reports say that the ambassador was raped in the same fashion as Gaddafi was and that this is done to demoralize the victim. This isn’t about homosexuality but pure hatred of Americans. Gay or not he would have been raped and murdered no matter what. It is a hatred of Americans that is being justified through Islam.
Did it happen to the other men as well?
The people making comments about being gay in a Muslim country are using American prejudices and stereotypes to try an make their words fit the facts. Rape in an Arab, not necessarily Muslim, county is a sign of CONTEMPT, HATRED and DISRESPECT. It isn’t about sex but hate pure and simple.
It matters that he was gay because gay people ALWAYS support Socialists, Communists, and by proxy, Muslims.
They have the same suicide gene as American Jews. Delusional to the point of extermination.
I don’t believe any of that is true….Regardless, a number of straight gentiles supported communism, as well….
Not all American Jews. I can name a whole lot of Jews in the forefront of the American Conservative movement who are leaders in exposing the socialists, islamists, etc. and are doing incredible things to bring this country back to sanity: David Horowitz, Pamela Geller, Dennis Praeger, Michael Savage, Ben Shapiro, Bernie Marcus, Jeffrey Weisenfeld and many, many more.
I may not matter to you, but to Islamists, it matters.
No creature on earth deserves to be disrespected like this,I hope Islam is proud of the fact that this type of atrocity is permitted in their religion as long as its a nonbeliever it is committed against,Mohammed is the one that preached this kind of behavior and now the whole world knows the truth about Muslims.
What matters is that he was killed by terrorists we supported in overthrowing Qaddafi.And we’re supporting the same terrorists in Syria.
Sad but true and Obama continues to borrow from China so he can spend it on people who hate us,
Obama borrows nothing from nobody. It is the members of Congress who hold the purse strings of government.
At least they didn’t line up like pigs at a trough urinating on his corpse. The whole world knows who the real savages are you hypocrite.
You simply cannot stand that the traffic goes both ways. Let’s hope rush hour hits very hard.
I believe the difference is that US soldiers who desecrate corpses are reprimanded whereas these people, to date, have not been held accountable
Terry maybe you should go there and live since you have no respect for America.
Another dead body surfaces around the Clinton’s. I guess he knew too much about the cummings and goings at certain Chicago bath houses. What an evil bunch that leads this country. We’ll fix that on November 6.
Yeah, I just read that the other day. There seems to be a lot of evidence that BO is gay.
I picked up on the fact that he was gay yesterday. There was no talk of a wife and kids. At fifty-two, that’s pretty unusual. Also, news reports said they had spoken to his sister and mother.
Don’t make assumptions based on age – I’m 52, single, and I am not attracted to females AT ALL. I love men, but I just have not found my husband yet.
It wasn’t an assumption. Based on clear facts!
I meant that just because he’s 52 and never married doesn’t necessarily mean he’s homosexual. If you’re going by the reports his family gave, then use those,
Yes, my son married in his late 40′s for the first time. He had a youth and his 30′s surrounded by hungry females. He finally met the right one after 5 or 6 years of wanting his own family. Happy, married with the same woman and their 3 y/o son now. But, I agree for the most part it is unusual for a hetero male not to have at least a long time girlfriend at that age.
You can not determine if anyone is homosexual by their age. I know several people who are over “marrying age – if there is such a thing” and are not homosexual. Perhaps they have not found the right person of the opposite sex. Its not a good idea to make such rash judgements. I must say that Stevens went over to Libya voluntarily I am sure, no one forced him. I am disgusted that this man was tortured so viciously and that the American media chooses to keep Americans in the dark.
I read about the rape of Stevens on other sites but it seemed a bit bizarre to me. This info puts it into perspective. You do better investigative journalism by yourselves than the whole media establishment put together.
That poor man. Obama owns this Arab spring cr*p.
Hey don’t forgewt there was much republicrat support for regime change in Egypt and Libya and Syria(now).McVCain was even supporting sending $40 million to Libya in the wake of those killings.
The idiots in DC can’t even admit that muslimes are anything other than a peaceful religion, they certainly won’t admit that they kill gay people. Besides, Stevens knew where he was going, maybe he didn’t want to believe that the muslimes were bad people.
He must have had a clue as he was a Peace Corp volunteer in Morocco. But then Yves St Laurent was gay in Morocco too so maybe he thought every gay man was safe if he was contributing to the country. YSL must have brought $$ to Morocco in some way.
We have a monster in the White House.
Another gay man gives his life for his country and the Obama administration won’t admit it because they put him in harms way.
So typical of liberals they will not admit they made a mistake.
Stevens knew he was facing a double death sentence.
Courage denied, shame on them.
Obama and his cabal of brigands & marxists are power hungry tyranny embracing extreme leftists tyrants not liberals. Washington, the Adamses, Franklin, Jefferson, & Lincoln were liberals. Ovomit & 99.9% of democrats are the polar opposite of liberals.Call them what the obama bots really are & it certainly isn’t liberal.
Wow…but I concur with Tony above. It didn’t seem like he was forced to go over there and really had a “passion” to work in the Middle East. Of course, we could have been totally sold a bill of good with that one too? I just can’t fathom what would make someone think it would be a good idea to be an ambassador in a Muslim country when you are gay. What was the goal for him? I know there are missionaries who feel so strongly about their faith and their calling to go to these violent countries but at least their motivation is to turn these people to Christ. What did a gay liberal man expect to accomplish?
Stevens was sacrificed by design.
Barry needs a flashpoint to create the situation he needs to enact martial law. I don’t really know why he is bothering…it is difficult to get people to act. We are too drugged up, GMO poisoned, sick, and conditioned to be passive. He just can’t get it done!
We don’t really care about Muslims. Just leave us the fudge alone.
But Barry is forcing the issue.
Seriously?! What ordinary person would not accept the position of Ambassador. It’s a position of great honor and prestige. It made his mother proud.
Steven’s mistake was trusting Obama to keep Americans safe. Competent presidents are supposed to protect US citizens on American soil. If not everyone can be protected, the president should make sure that at least ambassadors are protected above all other US personnel stationed in US territories surrounded by foreign lands, e.g., embassies and consulate buldings.
Words fail me and have since this happened on the 11th. I just want to scream! What is going on? Has this administration gone mad? Can’t let go of this anger yet because when I do I know I’m going to cry.
Megadittos, Kimberly.
Today while waiting for my car to be repaired, I was reading the latest issue of the New Yorker, which had a long article by Salman Rushdie about his experiences back when his book “The Satanic Verses” was completely misinterpreted and then used as an excuse for Muslim mayhem and murder all over the world. How depressing that 23 years later, things are still the same!
What’s weird is that this issue, with this article, was printed the week BEFORE the shit hit the fan.
Poor Rushdie went through hell, especially since his friends and family members were in danger if they had any contact with him, and so he was terribly isolated. Reading about some of his experiences, I was crying right there at the car-repair place. People probably wondered….
Do you remember the name of the article?
I’d love to read that.
The Disappeared
How the fatwa changed a writer’s life.
by Salman Rushdie
Read more http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2012/09/17/120917fa_fact_rushdie#ixzz26XT7Mtbm
http://bit.ly/PCzeKe
May Chris rest in peace and finally know that #ShariaSucks
Let me know how women are supposed to feel about that, and why on earth anyone who cares about human rights would think that such depravity is morally equal to Western culture?
More info here about “SEXUAL JIHAD”
http://crombouke.blogspot.com/2010/02/sexual-jihad-demoralising-and.html
Maybe you, Kevin, can enlighten us with your theory as to why the Bamster is so in love with Muslims, even though he is homosexual, knowing the repercussions for gay men within the Muslim world? I certainly don’t get it.
Kevin I have only just heard of these rape rumours but I am not at all sure that they are true.
Please keep in mind that this was an Al Qaeda operation where the crowd was used as a diversion. There is a lot of misinformation going around. I am not sure if his being gay was in fact an issue. I am also not sure that his body was dragged through the streets as claimed because he was taken to a local hospital where he was promounced dead.
He’s dead in any of the pictures that you see of him, Maggie. Don’t be so naive. Look at his fricking blue lips, for God’s sake.
He went to no hospital. He was missing for FIVE HOURS and no one knew where he was. He was a play-thing for the savages.
Wake up.
I had not seen that picture before!! I cannot know for certain whether or not the picture is correct… but no I am not being naive.
I want more information on what actually took place.
This was an Al Qaeda attack and anything, I repeat anything is possible as to what happened.
It is also possible that the reports that I am seeing via CNN or any other MSM is lying… I am open to that possibility.
What I want right now is verification that the picture is of Stevens….
Aussie…the 1st pic shown here of the Ambassador being carried over the shoulder of a Libyan was cropped. In the full pic the man carrying him show and you can see Stevens is naked for the waist down. If you can find a larger version of pic #2 you will see that the man behind Stevens is not dragging him to safety, but is in the process of removing Stevens belt.
One thing for sure, folks. We will NEVER get all the facts of the case from the Obama-lapdog media.
Maggie, Muslim culture has a long history of male rape; and like female rape, it boils down to demonstrating your power over a weaker victim. In the case of male rape, it’s also about insulting a man, as the consulate employee said — making him a woman. (There’s plenty of info on male rape online; educate yourself about what it is, how frequently it occurs, etc.)
Muslims have no trouble raping women in public (remember the female reporter raped and nearly torn apart in Tahrir Square during the Arab Spring? Why would they have a problem raping a gay man?
The Tamminator is correct: he wasn’t taken to a hospital as soon as he disappeared from the consulate.
Did you see the photos of bloody handprints on a column at the consulate? (Find them on GatewayPundit’s site) At least one of the consulate staff — whether the ambassador or someone else — grabbed onto that column to keep from being dragged off by the mob.
Those handprints wouldn’t have gotten on that column any way other than by someone trying to keep himself from being dragged off.
They probably only took him to the hospital once they were done sodomizing and brutalizing him. I mean, honestly… the cover story for why he was missing for five hours is that no one at the hospital knew he was the ambassador. Really? No one in the crowd which allegedly brought him to the hospital knew his identity? None of them mentioned that to the hospital as they dropped him off? Really?
And as the Tamminator said, he was clearly dead in those photos. His lips are blue! And here’s a question: if you’re so worried about someone’s health that you’re taking him to the hospital, why do you have him on the ground snapping photos of him?
Those photos were trophies, Maggie, pure and simple.
Elaine I know all of that…. what I want is verification of the authenticity of the photos.
This was the work of Salafists and it is the work of a very small group.
What they did to Gadhafi itself was quite sick so I am not surprised by what they have done.
I definitely saw reports where it was claimed that he was taken to the hospital, but that does not mean that I believe those reports. I want to see the real truth!!
Phyllis Chesler, a feminist psychologist and scholar, wrote a MUST-READ book called “The Death of Feminism” in which she takes to task Western feminists who don’t seem to give a crap about the hundreds of millions of women stuck in the living hell of the Islamic world. And then when courageous women such as Dr. Chesler and Dr. Wafa Sultan (whose book “The God Who Hates” is also a MUST-READ) tell the truth about Islam’s oppression and torture of women, these Western so-called “feminists” play the shoot-the-messenger game and attack THEM for telling the truth!
And I meant to say: Chesler’s book “The Death of Feminism” goes into very profound analysis of the Muslim psyche vis-a-vis sexuality. She explains better than anyone else I’ve ever read, how Islam’s deep, intrinsic contempt for women warps the psyches of husbands, wives, sons and daughters. No child growing up in a strict shari’a family has any chance of growing up whole and healthy and integrated. Chesler’s book is worth the price for her psychological analysis alone.
It is a must read! I gave my copy to a Jewish feminist before obamanation was elected. She said she had to vote obama because she could never vote for Sarah Palin. Her father was a Holocaust survivor.
She can’t vote for Sarah Palin because ???????? But she can vote for the Muslim guy. ‘Cause we all know how good the Muslims are to the jews. Must be a brilliant Jewish feminist. So how’s the hope and change working out for her? Is she going to repeat her mistake?
Yes, Mark Steyn says the same thing — trophies. “The photographs at the Arab TV network al-Mayadeen show Chris Stevens’s body being dragged through the streets, while the locals take souvenir photographs on their cell phones….Even allowing for cultural differences, this looks less like ‘carrying Chris’s body to the hospital’ and more like barbarians gleefully feasting on the spoils of savagery.” (“Disgrace in Benghazi,” National Review Online, Sept. 15, 2012)
As a nurse, I can tell you Ambassador Stevens was dead in those pictures we’re seeing. The circumoral cyanosis (blue around his mouth) and the flaccid edematous of areas of his body indicate same.
People who were involved afterward in getting his body back and upon exam would have confirmed this type of horrific attack. Also, none of the others killed and whose bodies we recovered have had this reported.
LP, I was wondering if any of the others had been brutalized like Mr. Stevens. Thanks and I pray for their families that’s true. Enough grief for their deaths without that added horror.
You sure that’s cyanosis? It’s awfully dark. I think it’s carbon residue forming a mixture of mucus and smoke (byproduct of choking on smoke inhalation). Skin color is too good to be dead- at least for very long. Who’s holding his head up in the pic where he’s being dragged by the cell phone in mouth guy> Who’s holding his right forearm up in the one where he’s being shoulder carried?
I’ve not been able to find a definition of “flaccid edematous”, though each word individually can be used to describe the dermal state.
I wish it weren’t so, but he looks alive (barely) in those photos.
Libya, Egypt and Tunisia are to the President as Iran was to President Carter, except in this case the Administration seems more complicit. The Administration has many Muslim Brotherhood advisers setting policy in the Middle East.
It is as if FDR, in the early 1940′s had invited members of the SS to advise him on relations with the National Socialist government of Germany.
Like others, I was kinda figuring he was gay, when there was no mention of wife & kids – not that that MATTERS to any civilized person – Ambassador Stevens was a career diplomat {unlike any POTUS’ cronies, who are named Ambassadors to the Court of St. James, etc.} – Ambassador Stevens worked his way up through the ranks of Foggy Bottom, & all over the Middle East – I’m sorry for the pain and fear he no doubt experienced, when the people he had helped, and WANTED to help more, turned on him – how bereft he must have been at that time.
The “Administration” OWNS this – THEY put him in that high profile position, in THAT “country” – and OUR First Amendment has spit all to do with the Ambassador’s & other 3 Americans’ brutalization and murders, Jay Carney’s toadying notwithstanding ………………………….
Oh, and doncha LOVE how the “feminists” are up in arms about the Ambassador’s rape being a matter of ‘turning him into a woman’? I hear ……………………………. crickets ……………………….
Semper Fi’
DM
A commenter here in this site says that “Sexual humiliation of infidels is very important in Islam”
http://riehlworldview.com/2012/09/report-claims-murdered-u-s-ambassador-to-libya-christopher-stevens-was-raped.html#comment-246212
now that is something that I can believe. It comes with the territory of the ideology of Salafists involved with Al Qaeda.
This attack was too well co-ordinated and it came days after Zawahiri gave one of his messages.
It was from what I have been reading a revenge attack for the death of Al Libi, who was a top official in Al Qaeda.
Something is very rotten about the whole thing and that includes the cringe worth video that was released via Youtube.
Take a look at this link. It is probably the best I have seen out of CNN (nothing to do with that idiot woman Ananpour):
http://edition.cnn.com/2012/09/12/world/africa/libya-attack-jihadists/index.html
Lots of information that needs to be digested as far as what really took place. It also confirms my belief that the whole thing was an Al Qaeda operation.
Also, I think that this is true in other areas.
What is critical is that there has been a lot of activity around Benghazi this year, including some activity prior to the elections that were held. The people of the area held firm against the intimidation, but it still points the finger in one direction.
Another critical point in this report is the use of the words “vacuum” and it is correct. Nothing substantial had been done to secure the area against the possible infiltration of Al Qaeda.
This tells me that the Obama State dept. has ZERO common sense. We are talking about a culture that Beheads gay people, but sex with a corpse is OK. I remember seeing Anderson Cooper was in the Middle East last year. Though no fan of his, i feared for his safety.
One of the best sources of information is the Jawa Report or MyPetJawa. They do an outstanding job on the subject.
Most of my own suspicions about the event have been confirmed by Rusty Shackleton. However, one thing I do suspect has not been confirmed and that relates to the “movie” that is allegedly the cause of the riots.
I continue to suspect that the movie was produced by someone with ties to Al Qaeda, but that is by no means certain. I have seen rumours such as the man who produced it was a Jew and his backers are Jewish, but that has been proved false. The man has been identified and he is a criminal, but he is supposed to be a Coptic Christian. If that is true then he has stained the Coptics who remain in Egypt and things just got a whole lot worse for them. The movie, or at least the dubbed text is extremely slanderous, in that it betrays the Coptic Community.
There seems to be a blood libel involved. However, that is secondary to the attack upon the American consulate in Benghazi. This was definitely a planned and co-ordinated attack. I have my own theories about the planning. The group claiming responsibility are Ansar al Islam. However, what is most important is that one of the men who died was online prior to the attack and he apparently made a comment about a member of the Libyan security team taking photographs.
Four men have been taken into custody. They are not the attackers but were there that night. What is the probability that those 4 were members of that Libyan security detail? What is the likelihood that one of them actually took photographs of the house where the Americans were taken and that he pointed out the house for the attackers? This was not due to any anger over a very bad Spaghetti Western. This was something else associated with Al Zawahiri, the Egyptian.
Aussie I don’t believe a Copt would produce a film like this. Those in western countries aren’t that stupid as the communities are usually in constant contact with what’s going on back in Egypt.
Having seen the film, it’s a hack job, with some serious voiceover issues, and I wouldn’t be surprised if it is yet another blood libel.
If you recall the Danish cartoons, they had been around for months before Mullah Krekar (iirc) doctored up some dodgy photos of his own and then shopped them around the ME.
The jihadis have serious form for this sort of incitement.
Just listening to the show…
One group of misguided Western idiots that always boggles the mind is Queers for Palestine. Hmm, what would queers in Palestine have to say about that? Oh yeah, they try to escape to Israel if at all possible.
I am so angry and disgusted at the way Obama and Hillary set up Stevens and the others for slaughter. Breitbart is reporting that “the decision not to staff Benghazi with Marines was made by Secretary of State Clinton when she attached her signature to the State Department Rules of Engagement for Libya document. Breitbart News has subsequently learned that under those rules of engagement, Secretary Clinton prohibited Marines from providing security at any American diplomatic installation in Libya.” Apparently the private security personnel were not allowed ammo as well.
This makes me sick.
The whole video thing is just cover for the Muslim Brotherhood given to them by this administration and the media. The video had about 1000 views on YouTube when they began “rioting”. This was a precisely planned, well- executed attack on the US and our government blames a lame video no one saw?
The people in charge are gutless wonders, and we will be paying the price for some time to come.
not Muslim Brotherhood. People get confused between Muslim Brotherhood and the Salafists. They are on different sides. Muslim Brotherhood are Shia. The Salafists are Sunni.
This attack was the work of Al Qaeda and it was done on the command of Zawahiri
No, the Brotherhood is Sunni. The Salafists are also Sunni, but even more “radical” than the Brothers. The Salafist doctrine is as fundamentalist as is that of the Wahhabis in Saudi Arabia.
Iran and the majority of the people (but not the ruling family) from Bahrain are Shia.
Sunnis and Shia do not usually get along. (Pakistan, majority Sunni, slaughters Shia as often as they do Christians and Hindus.) However, there has been a Sunni/Shia rapprochement, as evidenced by the recent Iran-Egypt get-together.
I saw the statement that Clinton gave on the morning of Sept 12 – she was obviously very shaken. She personally recruited Chris Stevens and while she did not probably know all the details of what happened to him ….. she surely does by now. There would have been a thorough examination of his corpse to find out exactly how he died in Germany.
How do they sleep at night?
How do they look themselves in the mirror each day?
What kind of person can live with the lies and the betrayal? What sort of stories do they tell themselves to justify it all.
It’s beyond my comprehension. Chris Stevens was a man that was well liked and well respected by (from all accounts) just about everyone he ever met. Clinton bears great responsibility for what happened to him, but never forget that the ‘Rules of Engagement’ come straight from the Obama who delights in constantly calling himself – The Commander in Chief.
According to the signs shown by the people of Benghazi Chris Stevens was well liked by them. I know that sounds strange.
The fact of the matter is that the attack was the work of Al Qaeda, This includes dragging him out of the embassy and whatever else happened to a dead body.
I suggest taking even the signs you saw with a grain of salt. I saw a couple signs on the news, that’s it. I saw hundreds of “protestors.” A minority, in my view, is not representative of “the people of Benghazi.”
Kibby, it’s because they are atheists and have no belief in God or care about humankind.
Watch this video of Chris Stevens as he introduces himself to the libyans:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_SIIxholL4&list=UU7W-9asL1d6A7zko9f3vrsg&index=3&feature=plcp
I arrived as a Peace Corps volunteer in Morocco the year Chris left; he was a part of a Peace Corps Morocco group on FB. The amazing thing is that he close colleagues are saying, “This a the tie for us to come together; to speak out against the criticism of muslims and islam…”
My God!!!!!!! One of their own was brutally and horifically murdered, a lamb to slaughter by the destroyer-in-cheif and these people are still singing Kumbaya?!?!?!?
At least there’s been no, “We came, we saw, he died” from tough girl Hillary this time around. But it is ironic that Stevens died in roughly the same way as Khaddaffi, especially what with his possibly having been instrumental in putting Khaddaffi away.
IMO This poor young man was staked out as a ‘lamb’ to slaughter for some political gain. It is not only reprehensible but criminal. The shame belongs to the current administration and they will eventually reap what they have sown. God be with his family and friends and May God Bless America.
B.O. Is self loathing.
Not as much as the American people loathe him . . . .
I agree. I think he hates that he is biracial, was raised upper middle class, American, etc., so he seeks to destroy that which he is.
As a female, there is no way I would work in a muslim country. And it boggles my mind why they would send a gay guy over there.
I think they should pull all Americans out of the entire middle-east, cut off all funding, cut off all military aid and humanitarian aid.
I thinks as long as we fight the battles of the regular citizens over there, they will never rise up on their own or appreciate what they have been given by America.
These people don’t even rise to the levels of animals. At least animals will kill you without raping you first. And I don’t believe their religious bullshit, as to why they would rape another man before killing him. They enjoy it. Nothing more.
OT – Ulsterman’s Wall Street Insider has some interesting information on the conversation that took place between Obama and Netanyahu, on his last WH visit. I was pretty shocked.
I wouldn’t blame Netanyahu if he bombed the US, after dealing with Obama.
http://theulstermanreport.com/2012/09/12/wall-street-insider-sadly-every-concern-about-this-man-calling-himself-obama-has-proven-true-and-far-worse-is-yet-to-come/
And remember: Our ambassador to Egypt is a woman, Anne Patterson.
KEVIN,
I agree with you that a big factor, if not THE main motive, behind the whole thing was Obama’s continual football-spiking about the death of Osama bin Laden. You’re like the only person I’ve seen who’s talking about that! And yet it should be painfully obvious to anyone who’s not totally blinded by Obamalove.
Ever since the raid itself, I’ve been wondering when al-Qaeda was going to seek revenge. Didn’t help matters for Obama to just keep rubbing their noses in it.
Blowback’s a bitch, ain’t it?
Too bad the current President is one as well.
Word… Kevin… Word
Given these reports of Stephen’s subsequent rape, I would suggest these al-Qaeda terrorists returned the favor for Hillary’s gloating over Ghaddafi’s similar demise as well.
So long as this administration continues to hand the keys to national security to members of this belief system, there can be no assumptions of national security here in the US or at any diplomatic mission across the globe.
You might find this interesting re: the creators of the so called mohammed movie.
http://frontpagemag.com/2012/dgreenfield/were-sam-bacile-and-the-innocence-of-muslims-part-of-a-salafi-plot-all-along/
And now we learn NO MARINES FOR LIBYAN AMBASSADOR, FULL SECURITY DETAIL FOR VALERIE JARRETT VACATION
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/09/14/valerie-jarrett-pat-caddell-libyan-embassy
Priorities.
Wow, I had not heard that Mr. Stevens had been raped. Perhaps that needs to come out in the news more. People need to know the results of the policies of Obama–a man whose very name makes me physically ill and enrages me at the same time.
If W were still president and something like this happened, he’d be blamed for the rape and murder of Mr. Stevens. O gets a pass as always. I loathe O as much as I loathe the SOBs in Libya. They are cut of very similar cloth–they all want to rule over us.
The death of this poor man is so sad and so preventable. This was a huge miscalculation on the Administration’s part. Or was it? The back story of how and why Chris Stevens got to be the Libyan ambassador has got to be more than interesting. Possibly criminal. Having a realitive that had to go through security clearances I know that his sexual life was combed through also. None of the computes.
I wonder how much of this uprising has to do with the DNC convention and Biden’s”Osama is dead” holler.If Bush had said it at a convention, he would have been called a cowboy.
How did that affect the Muslims?
If this was the cause ,do you think we willl ever hear about it?
What happened to Chris Stevens was horrible. Those responsible for the killing and possible rape were worse than beasts.
That said, what was Stevens thinking when he accepted the post in Libya? He should have known Moslem attitudes towards gays. Was he so blinded by Leftist rhetoric that he believed everyone would sit down and sing “Kum Ba Yah?” Was he enormously brave or foolish? Kevin writes about gays being out of touch with the world. Is this not another example?
The lessons this atrocity teaches about Islamic culture are obvious; what lessons does it teach us about our own culture.
The Shrinks say people get “INVESTED” in what they have believed for so long in their life.
They can’t admit they were so badly wrong.
Just another form of “wishful thinking” and believing in rainbow and sparkles farting unicorns!
I don’t see what Ambassador Stevens sexual orientation has to do with his murder.
He was murdered because he was an American.
If he chose to keep his personal life private while he was alive, it would be best to also honor his wishes now that he is deceased.
Kevin I was wondering about the fact that we have out of the closet gay soldiers now serving in the military. I always figured that don’t ask don’t tell was as much for their protection against intolerant Muslims as for the the bothers and sisters they serve with. It seems our congress and president or empty chair if you will has deliberately put our military in more danger by outing them on battle field. Talk about purposely inflaming the situation…
Kevin…I was wondering how you feel about our soldiers now being identified as openly gay in the face of intolerant islamofacists? I always assumed that don’t ask don’t tell was as much for the protection of gay soldiers as it was for their brothers and sisters in arms. It seems that our congress and president or empty chair if you will has purposely placed additional danger to fighting men and women by outing them on the battle field. Why isn’t the gay community furious that obama is so anti-gay?
Sara –
Soldiers are different than an ambassador: an ambassador has a spotlight on them as THE ambassador being sent somewhere. It is a very personal thing, as there is just ONE ambassador going to a place. Sending a gay ambassador to Libya was like sending a wheelchair-bound disable person to be ambassador to a backwards country built onto hills and mountaintops where only stairs are permitted and ramps and elevators are outlawed. Why do that, when there were more modern countries that posed less danger to this individual person?
Unless I’m missing something, when troops are deployed their enemies don’t get a personnel list identifying every one of them with personal biographies. Their names are not know. There is no spotlight on them as individuals. A gay soldier is nothing more than a black soldier or a Jewish soldier or a soldier who grew up in Minnesota. That is part of who they are and the enemy already hates them because they are American troops…so they cannot hate them any more for who they are inside and will likely never know much about them as who they are inside as people.
The thing that really kills me about people who still have a problem with gays in the military is that there has ALWAYS been gays in the military. I am literally stopping to count how many military guys I’ve gone out with: a Navy engineer who worked on a nuclear sub; a Ranger; two Marines; and an Air Force mechanic. I dated all of them after they had finished their tours. I would have done a tour after high school myself if not for DADT and I will always regret not having the right at the time to do so. It is the one big thing I missed out on in life and it haunts me and always will.
Being a high-profile gay man who is the ambassador to a Muslim country is different from being a gay soldier amongst thousands of soldiers sent to a Muslim country.
I have never had a problems with gays in the military…I just wondered if it was more dangerous for them without don’t ask don’t tell especially since they are training Muslim soldiers and fighting side by side. There have been so many green on green shootings where Afghans who were supposedly “on our side” are shooting Americans using the weapons we equip them with to keep the peace. Two more happened this morning. They recently have allowed our soldiers to carry armed weapons in those training areas because of all of the murders. The gay policy probably has nothing to do with it…they hate us anyway.
Sorry about the double post…I thought the first was lost in the Ethernet….guess not. You can delete if you want.
Sara — Don’t be sorry. It happens. I really like your comments and find you interesting always so you never have to say sorry.
I’m not a big fan of sorries in general. Life is too short. If something was unintended then no one should have to apologize in my opinion. If something WAS intended then it still won’t bother me as long as it was original and interesting. The only time I really think less of people is if they are truly evil or if they are boring and unoriginal and just cut and past or use foul language for no good reason. THOSE are the people who should spend their time apologizing.
Never, ever someone who is cool and fun like you.
Don’t be sorry…just keep being awesome.
Hi,
My Christian daughter-in-law shared this piece of wisdom with me.
She said to NEVER say “I’m sorry” because this, somehow, puts the person trying to apologise in a sub-serviant position and the other person in a superior position.
She said, when appropriate, to always say, “I apologise”, which keeps both parties on an equal, respectable plane.
Make sense?
Kevin – have you read this one yet: http://frontpagemag.com/2012/dgreenfield/christopher-stevens-feeds-the-crocodile/print/?
It may provide some context. I would be interested in reading what you think about this one.
This was a great read! Thanks for sharing. I recommend that others read this and understand what goes through the mind of a leftist who thought that by coddling those who hate us, he might be permitted to live. Of course that was not the case and he died living in that mythical understanding.
I hope that this tragedy will receive greater coverage in the days to come. The people who killed him are murderers and savages. I for one am glad that the dnc has committed themselves to coddling them. This group’s hatred is raw against homosexuals and the sooner their hatred is aired, the sooner the dnc will suffer from implosion.
Kevin, saw this at a military blog and wanted to mention it, Al-Quaeda chief had called for attacks to avenge death of Abu Yahya al-Libi. It seems obvious to me, they wanted to use the stupid video as a way to excite the mob, a basic Alinsky tactic, I have no doubt this was a coordinated attack.
http://www.blackfive.net/main/2012/09/was-it-really-all-about-a-movie.html#comments
Also, see the piece at Big Gov regarding the Rules of Engagement for Libya, it doesn’t look good for the State Dept, no wonder they won’t take any further questions on the subject.
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/09/14/Colonel-Says-Hillary-Clinton-Made-Decision-to-Have-No-Marines-at-Benghazi
Could you just refer to one CREDIBLE newspaper reporting he was raped? The rumor is that it was reported by AFP but there is absolutely nothing that confirmes that.
I hope all of you writing slander and false accusations about Christopher Stevens gets sued one by one.
Disguisting pricks are what you are!
jens.hansen@mail.tele.dk
Jens, you may be unaware, but under U.S.jurisprudence, rape victims are generally NOT identified by the media, because years ago, the victim would be identified & denigrated. Tayyar.org of Lebanon has been the source for the rape allegations.
And what, exactly, has been slanderous or false about the comments here? IF the Ambassador was, he was gay – BIG deal. IF he was raped, he was raped. You sound outraged on the Ambassador’s behalf, but WHY? I’ve yet to see comments being disrespectful of the Ambassador – perhaps you can point them out?
Semper Fi’ HillBuzzers
DM
Kevin/Tamminator: I think Axelrod and Cutter are trolling Hillbuzz. Must have struck a nerve. Nothing that was said was slanderous or disrespectful to Mr. Stevens. The main theme [for this thread] was why a gay man was sent to a radical muslim sh*thole. As for the alleged rape, it is all over the internet. I read it in at least 10+ publications before I read it on Hillbuzz. Kick the asshat troll to the cyberspace curb!
It really should be no one’s business. Trouble is, gays often make it known; if only they would not.
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?????? Your statement, terse as it is, is a non-sequitor – care to elaborate?
Semper Fi’
DM
He isn’t dead because he was gay, he’s dead because the US government didn’t act on accurate intel.
Vassar Bushmills raises this point in an article today based on your info…does not our State Dept. caution diplomatic corps members who might be at risk in these countries. Why didn’t Hillary make sure Ambassador Stevens had protection, and Obama is responsible as well: “Even Mussolini’s Libya Policy Was on Firmer Ground: Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell?”
http://www.unifiedpatriots.com/2012/09/15/even-mussolinis-libya-policy-was-on-firmer-ground-dont-ask-dont-tell/vassarbushmills
I really don’t think that this Austin Tichenor is proof that Chris Stevens is gay. Perhaps he is based on other evidence, but this “gay romantic poet” thing looks to have been a college theme party (see: http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151228754454715&set=a.477243259714.284144.754514714&type=1&theater) … and Austin appears to be married to a woman named Dee, via the comments on his Facebook page.
I think Tichner and Stevens both went to Piedmont High School in California. The reference is to the novel Brideshead Revisited. Tichner is analogous to the Charles character and Stevens is anologous to the Sebastian character
let`s pray for our 4american`s please,
and hope for a new president,
may god bless the USA.
I heard a news report that he was married and had children. Not that that means he wasn’t gay, but I simply wanted to post what has been reported (I believe either on Fox or CNN).
Also ,to the person up above who said they wouldn’t blame Bibi for bombing the US? Really? Why would you write such a thing? What if your family or your children were killed? Would you blame him then? Contrary to what Bibi thinks, there are a lot of Americans who think Israel ought to stop beating the war drums so that MORE American blood can be spilled for the sake of a “peace” in the middle east that Israel clearly does not want. America is broke and is sick of sending it’s flesh and blood and money to fight for Israel. They do not want peace, they want resources and control of everything and no resistance. NO MORE WARS FOR ISRAEL!
Karen, Chris Stevens was gay….well-known among his colleagues. However, that should have had nothing at all to do with his death That rests squarely on the puny shoulders of the destroyer-in-cheif.
As you wish but it s America who want. The control in the region including European countrys go back to the history honestly do you think any government cares about us or them dollar is the answer as sick as it sound
He’s a hero, the fact that a gay male would serve America in a radical Islamic nations shows his devotion to this nation. I feel sick watching the media walk over his battered corpse to protect Obama from political fallout. I sincerely hope his family speak with a lawyer, the public deserves to know what he suffered at the hands of those savages. Makes me sick that so few gay rights advocates are bringing this issue to the forfront. He deserves to be honoured not hidden to protect a man who doesn’t have a tenth of that young man’s courage and integrity. Rest in peace brave soul.
Watch this video of Chris Stevens as he introduces himself to the Libyans just prior to his departure to Libya:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_SIIxholL4&list=UU7W-9asL1d6A7zko9f3vrsg&index=3&feature=plcp
P.S. What did Huma Abedin know about Chris Stevens’ whereabouts? Hillary and the obozo have blood on their hands!!!!!!!
Obama knew our ambassador was gay because all ambassadors undergo top secret clearance, something Obama could not sustain himself. Whether or not the ambassador was gay or straight or bisexual is only relevant if his appointment came with caveats and protection. Obama ave Stevens a false sense of well being using his Islamic heritage as some kind of mantle of protection. Being gay is not an asset in Islamic society. Mr. Stevens was entitled to the extra protection of armed guards as an ambassador who was gay in an environment that hated him. Obama should have insisted it be so. Mr. Stevens was entitled to be an ambassador and he was also entitled to all the protection his office required …. and that means armed guards and first rate intelligence. He had not one armed guard to defend him in a country of lunatics that without so much as a trial regularly hangs gays. I don’t care if the Saudis have closests full of gay men to parade around for themselves or anyone else. Islam hangs gays. Obama sent a gay man into the Islamic madness knowing how at risk he was. He then disarms his protection and the entire contingent is slaughtered. The ambassador is dragged through the streets raped both before and after he died in front of screaming crowds. Our ambassador our highest representative was sent to the most toxic environment on the planet by Obama who provided him no protection whatsoever. But for Valerie Jarrett vacationing on one of the most peaceful places on the planet, Martha’s Vinyard Obama provided a full contingent of armed Secret Service!!!!!!! Ah, but it was the film that did it, not the murderous Islamofascists. They hate gays as much as they hate women. Hell is filled with us. These Islamics are out to kill us and we have a president who doesn’t care.
to be gay is a crime??? i am foreigner and i feel sad because of him, surely he did not deserve that at all.
Kevin DuJan is a self-loathing, ignorant piece of shit.
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Straight and gay men are usually distinguishable. This is not referring to blatant flamboyance. I just mean that the audio-visual is different and most of the time we can tell who is who. And I don’t consider it mean-spirited to say that Stevens came off as gay. “Not that there’s anything wrong with that,” as they’d say on Seinfeld. And so it begs the question, how did a gay man wind up in a dangerous hellhole like Libya?
One good thing about Republicans, especially the fringe, is that they wear their old-fashioned sexual intolerance on their collective sleeve. At least you know where they’re at, at least publicly. Democrats, however, have always been nothing less than schziophrenic in this area. Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell and Obama’s “recent” (reverting to his 1996 documented opinion) evolution on same-sex marriage explain it all, which are odd mixes of acceptance and disapproval at the same time. One thing both parties have in common is that they both wish gays would just STFU about it. That said, it is entirely possible that most members of both parties weren’t aware of Stevens’ sexuality, and that includes Obama and Clinton. This is why it was safer for someone like James Hormel, openly gay (but a divorced father), to get an ambassadorship. But to a safe place like Luxembourg. It is entirely possible that Stevens, himself, was a willing participant in misleading the State Dept. about his sexuality to advance his career. And so everyone has a chunk of responsibility regarding the horrific outcome of our new 9/11, not just the neanderthan, bat-shit crazy Muslims. Obama, the State Dept. and Hillary, in particular, for either willingly disbelieveing their eyes and ears about Stevens, or far worse, knowingly let Stevens indulge himself and take on this adventure among locals far less forgiving than Democrats or even Republicans. One thing’s for sure: if the pre- and post-death rape stories are true, and I believe they are, there isn’t even a remote possibility they will make it to any popular American news outlet, even cleansed with euphemisms like “disrespected” or “abused.” And so one more opportunity lost for the public to learn anything of substance… not that it wants to.
IF you are smart and realistic you would not go to a part of the world where they stone-kill gay people if you happen to be gay.If you are an American liberal you go because your stupid policy is more important than your life.Hence Stevens going into the middle of the fire
This is the most disgusting and Vile piece of Trash I think I have Ever seen!!! Who cares if the man was gay or straight??? He Obviously was A Hero and had done a Wonderful Job!!! He should be hailed as a American Hero and his personal sex life is His and serving in Libya was His Decision, that he was Very Qualified to Make! People like you am Disgusting!!!
julie@kindleonline.com
And you are such a stupid ass that you didn’t even read the whole article, did you? Why would our country send a gay man to a country that HANGS AND CRUCIFIES GAY MEN?
You are just too stupid to understand, because you are one of the idiots in America who has no knowledge of the countries we are dealing with.
Have a nice day, moron.
Gadaffi got sodomised too in his grisly humiliation and death on youtube by the al-qaedah fake rebels
Come on his “gayness” is obvious. Sometimes straight women have a sharper GAYDAR then even gay men! He is the classic gay man EVEN before you hear him speak! I’m sorry it was seriously irresponsible to send him there not guarded to his slaughter KNOWING that these suppressed macho idiots would have a field day with him! Brian Terry, Chris Stevens…How many men have to be killed by the Obama administration?
He was sodomized because they found him attractive. In those countries they will have sex with anything and a dead white man is a lot more attractive than the goats and camels that they are used to having sex with. It has nothing to do with the fact that he was gay or straight, he smelled better than a goat!
Most people don’t realize but the Middle East from Morroco and across the Persian Gulf the men are commonly on the down low. Historically been a right of passage for a 13 year old to go with a 40 year old. They make fun Western effeminate types which are ridiculed but to be the tough nonreceiver is accepted. They also don’t have same sex similar age relationships. And then they don;t have terms to describe what goes on intentionally so as to not speak about this stuff openly. Women are for marriage and children but the man boy thing has been going on there forever. Also because most men can’t attain a woman and are unable to behave well with women due to their societal ediquette they go on the down low. I grew up as an American teenager in UAE so I have some knowledge of this stuff. I didn’t get involved but it didn;t take too long to figure out what was really going on.
chris stevens died of smoke inhalation. {the black soot around nose and mouth} .
Where was the MEU? Normally there is a Marine Expeditionary Unit, comprised of a reinforced rifle battalion, floating around the Med who can react very quickly to these kinds of incidents. The forces that were eventually deployed came from Spain. Granted that the Corps is still spread pretty thin across the globe but I wonder who made the decision to have no quick reaction force sitting off the coasts of the world’s most volatile tinderboxes.
I agree with Karen that Ambassador Chris Stevens most likely died due to the effects of asphyxia; however, I do not believe he was dead when he was dragged from the consulate. The evidence is in one of the pictures.
In the photo of him slung over a man’s shoulder, Stevens’ left arm is clearly bent, with his left hand near the right side of his face or right shoulder. If he were dead he would have lost all muscle tone and both of his arms would have hung straight down due to the effects of gravity. Moreover, his head is aligned straight with his spine. Again, if he were dead, the weight of his head would have caused his neck to bend forward and his head would have dropped down toward the pavement. In this particular photo, it appears he is able to keep his head up.
What is more chilling in one copy of this photo, though, is that his bare left hip and the small of his back are clearly visible, lending credence to the theory that someone in front of the man carrying the ambassador was stripping off his pants. In an earlier photo where the ambassador’s legs are on the ground and he is being raised under the armpits by a man wearing a black shirt with red piping, you can clearly see that his pants were at his waist.
Whether Ambassador Stevens was or wasn’t gay is not an issue. The rape of a male (as with Gaddhafi, who was not gay) is an act meant to degrade and humiliatie the victim in the most extreme way. If indeed Stevens was raped, it would have happened regardless of whether he was gay or straight. He was the American Ambassador, and that would be enough for these people.
If any other medical people read this, would appreciate your perspective on whether Ambassador Stevens may have been alive in the photos, particularly the one I mentioned.
For centuries it has been assumed that an attack on the ambassador of a country is equivilent to an attack on the king or his country. A nation that expels an ambassdor is making a statement that is just shy of declaring war. To allow the amassador of another country to be assualted and murdered is the height of international negligence. Our president had (has) an obligation to announce to these degenerate governments that an attack on our embassy is equivilent to an attack on our homeland and that we WILL REACT ACCORDINGLY.
Asking Sudan to allow us to send Marines in to protect our people and our embassy is the depth of cowardice. Our ultimatum should say, in no uncertain terms that we will either break diplomatic relations with any one of these countries, and withdraw all diplomatic personnel, or WE will make the decision how to defend our peolple and our diplomatic facilities. Trusting these backward fiefdoms to protect our people is obviously a bad gamble.
May he rest in peace.
The is hard to make out but the things that I clearly see and hear in it is someone saying “where is he?” “thats him” and Ayyb, ya rajul” which means “shame, man” and, someone saids to hurry up and then a lot of shame shame shame and then celebrating noises.
You don’t hold up something to block the cameras and keep saying shame if something innocent is going on. Its a very sad ending, but the man should not have been there. He was naive in every sense.
I do not understand why people think that democracy and freedom will flourish in the Middle East. Trust me they never will. Dictatorships work and for some parts of the world and the whole Middle East would be much better off without this bullshit Arab Spring. In general the Islamic Middle East is quite happy to insult anyone and everyone but go absolutely off the deep end when the tables are turned.
I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It’s the only way to be sure.
He was tortured for over four hours. An Ambassador has lots of intelligence information; they wouldn’t just kill him without getting it.
This video is crock of lies and further proof that the Islam is largely to blame for the terrorists’ behavior. These men were not trying to help Christopher Stevens, they were mocking him. If you heard the actual audio that accompanied the actual video, you would hear them shouting “Allah Akbar!, Allah Akbar!” – the signature cry of Islamic terrorists while commiting ungodly, heinous acts of terror. They then had a celebratory dance and raped this poor man. The act was meant to DEGRADE, HUMILIATE, AND INSULT ambassador Stevens and by extension, America. The evil brainwashing of videos such as this is shameful, but the truth remains- this was a demonic act by a people filled with hate fueled by a false, corrupt religion. An act of rabid animals. If this was truly a sectarian act, rejected by the majority of Islam, Caliphs and Imams worldwide would stand up in protest, but this is not the case. While the majority of Islam may not participate in such horrible acts, the fact that the MAJORITY does not condemn it is an indirect endorsement of the behavior. If Islam abhorred this behavior, leaders would widely and publicly denounce it.