We want to take this opportunity to address a question posed to us on a regular basis on this site, since we campaigned aggressively for Hillary Clinton in 2008 and supported her healthcare plan, but we do NOT support the actions Congress and the current White House have taken to impose Healthcare Rationing on America.
Simply, Obamacare is not the plan Hillary Clinton put forward in the 2008 campaign and it is not what she would have advocated and steered through Congress if she became President.
We do not support the Healthcare Rationing bill that is Obamacare for the following three main reasons:
(1) This bill was created in a corrupt, illegal, rushed, and chaotic process instead of the rational, measured, clean track Clinton would have taken to forge legislation the American public, healthcare industry, and economists would have favored.
(2) This bill is unconstitutional in that it illegally forces Americans to purchase a product and illegally empowers the IRS to become an intrusive, draconian American S.S.
(3) This bill will tank the American economy, potentially crash the stock market, and close hundreds of thousands of businesses across the country — quite possibly plunging us into a Great Depression as people realize just how much this is going to explode our deficit, lower our credit rating, and wipe us out financially.
Hillary Clinton would not have done any of this as president.
She spent over 15 years studying the healthcare situation in this country, having learned many lessons from the mistakes she made in shepherding an unpopular healthcare proposal in the 1990s. Clinton listened to and engaged healthcare professionals, executives, insurance industry representatives, and average Americans to determine what fixes our system really needed. Her primary focus was on LOWERING COSTS, which everyone agreed needed to be addressed in the current healthcare marketplace.
Truth be told, we thought her plan lacked the key element of healthcare reform no Democrat president would ever advocate, and that is TORT REFORM. Clinton, being a Democrat, would never make a move against the trial lawyers, because trial lawyers fund the DNC. Accepting that reality, and the fact tort reform will only come under Republicans, we supported Clinton’s plan because it was structured to pay for itself and not explode our deficit.
Clinton planned to manage the costs by cutting government waste in other areas — and there is an awful lot of waste to cut.
Instead of doing this, Democrats under Obama created a pork-laden Healthcare Rationing bill that is chock full of bribes. It is less a healthcare bill than the Christmas wish lists of greedy, self-serving Democrats, who cobbled together every lux dream they ever had for personal enrichment and stapled all the pages together into “a healthcare bill”.
There is no way Mary Landrieu and Ben Nelson’s bribes would have been in a bill overseen by Hillary Clinton.
Clinton, unlike Obama, would not have abdicated creation of this bill to Congress itself, leaving greedy pigs to their own devices and giving them an unlimited number of pages to fill up with pork to their hearts content.
Call her a control freak, because she kind of is in many ways, which we think is a good thing. Hillary Clinton is a workhorse not a show pony. Instead of trapsing off on extravagant trips and vacations, and hosting star-studded cocktail parties every other day, Clinton would have had her nose to the grindstone, as usual, working hard to craft legislation that achieved all of her priorities without bankrupting the country.
Instead, what we have before us is a legislative monstrosity. Not a single member of Congress knows exactly what’s in this bill or what it will do to our economy.
Reprehensible magic tricks were used to score the economic impact of this beast. Deliberate lies to the American people have been told about its costs. The tick they’ve pulled whereby taxes are collected to pay for this scheme immediately, while benefits won’t begin for years is beyond despicable.
We know small business owners who are going to have to lay off employees or close up shop because of what they see in this bill. Many of these people are just skating by on the margins as it is. The taxes, fees, and penalties in this monstrous bill will cost hundreds of thousands of jobs — at a time when cities like Chicago are suffering with 25% unemployment, if THOSE numbers were accurately reported as well.
On top of all of this is the reality that the Healthcare Rationing bill grants dictatorial powers to the Secretary of Health and Human Services, who is elevated to near God-status in this bureaucracy. No man or woman in government should be given the power to decide who lives and who dies, by determining what procedures should be covered by insurance and who can receive medical care. That is the most un-American thing we have ever heard of, and it terrifies us to imagine someone as inept, incompetent, and downright ignorant as Kathleen Sebelius assuming those powers as Health and Human Services Secretary.
We love and trust Hillary Clinton, but we wouldn’t give that kind of power to her either. It’s just too dangerous. There isn’t, in fact, anyone on this Earth we would give so much authority over the lives and deaths of millions of people. It is a recipe for catastrophic disaster, considering, as noted, the regularity of incompetence in the H&HS Secretaries this nation has been burdened with.
More terrifying than that is, of course, the prospect of the IRS becoming an American S.S. — with 20,000 or so new agents, banging on doors, bursting into homes demanding your “papers!” to prove you have complied with the unconstitutional requirement to purchase a product from a private company.
It is unconstitutional for federal agents to enforce a requirement for an American to purchase ANYTHING.
What concerns us with this bill is the precedent it sets.
If today the IRS forces you to buy health insurance you don’t want, will the IRS force you to buy a case of Coke tomorrow — should Coke make enough donations to the DNC that its executives in Atlanta buy the right to force Americans to buy another product, namely their battery acid tasting soda pop? Liz Claiborne is a big Democrat donor too. Will every man, woman, and child be forced to carry a purse soon? Will the Left decide everyone would have a much better life if all citizens were required to purchase the new Matt Damon movie on DVD? When the government starts requiring people to purchase items against their will, we slip down a rabbit hole into a dystopian nightmare that reads like bad Phillip K. Dick.
The IRS has too much authoritative power as it is.
The government has no Constitutional right to require citizens to buy anything.
It’s that simple.
In their zeal to pass something they call “historic Healthcare Reform” — anything — Democrats have paid far too little attention to the impact this madness is going to have on our economy. We’ve seen the projections for what this is going to do to taxes going forward — it’s terrifying. We’ve also been to Europe many times, to places like Scandinavia, which Liberals believe is a socialist utopia.
We’ll let you in on a little secret. It’s terrible in Sweden. Even the Swedes think so.
Liberal policies and Leftist socialist thought have destroyed Sweden, economically and socially. The ostriches there have no idea why things are so bad and forever worsening. It’s because the taxes are so high and all the “free” things the government doles out like candy has to be paid by SOMEONE. Nothing in this life is free. Costs can be hidden for only so long before they catch up with and overwhelm you.
With this Healthcare Rationing bill, the price will be paid by the elderly, who will lose access to medical care as Medicare is dismantled. The Democrats’ plan flies in the face of even the most basic understanding of supply and demand. When the Red Queen Nancy Pelosi passes this bill and our current president signs it into law, there suddenly won’t be millions of new doctors and nurses to take care of the flood of people demanding medical care they would not have sought if they had to pay for it themselves. It’s going to be a pushing and shoving free for all, and the biggest losers will ironically enough be people too infirm and sick to aggressively fight for the services they need.
We imagine Soviet-style bread lines for services, where people lined up all day not knowing what they were actually in line waiting to buy, or if there’d be anything left to purchase once they got to the counter.
We saw this throughout the socialist paradises of Europe on trips overseas in the 80s. It was not pretty. It is exactly what’s going to happen here with medical care. There is nothing in this Rationing bill to prevent it.
This is perhaps the greatest mistake our government has made in the history of this Republic.
It’s going to bring ruination to all of us.
Pure and simple, economic and medical ruin.
It didn’t have to be this way.
It would not have been this way with Hillary Clinton at the helm.
No one, not even Republicans, believed reform WASN’T needed, but this bill is not reform. It is a hodge-podge of Democrat pet projects and pork spending sprees couched as “healthcare reform”, without any concept of economic reality or a real desire to lower costs and effectively increase medical access to those who need those services most. This is a spending spree on a Swedish scale, with Scandinavian tax burdens to crushingly follow, leading to Soviet-style lines and brutal rationing of services.
It is an inept, ugly, sloppy bill that sets up dictatorial powers for what’s usually an inept, ugly, and sloppy Department of Health and Human Services while morphing the already abusive IRS into the White House’s personal goon squad.
It’s un-American.
It’s dangerous.
It’s unconstitutional.
THAT’s why we don’t support it.
March 21, 2010 at 11:52 am
As an immigrant from a country that had socialized medicine, until it essentially imploded the country, and they had to scarp it…. let me point out a very obvious but not publisized fact.
COST CONTROL == QUALITY CONTROL
there is a reason why corollas don’t cost as much as jags. There is a reason why godiva chocolates don’t cost as little as a hershey bar.
Those products are bought in a free way, there is no rationing, there are no govt mandates to buy one over another.
People are willing to pay more for a product of free will, they are willing to pay their own money for a product.
When the govt says 100 billion only for this drugs, and you have 30 million more people comning into the system, guess what? Yes the costs will go down, BECAUSE THE GOVT SAYS SO AND HAS SET A LIMIT, but then the quality goes down, b/c that drugs now will be rationed.
Who decides who gets it or not? a death panel.
March 21, 2010 at 11:57 am
I did an interview with a guy who came from Ukraine and earned his citizenship last year. When I asked him his thoughts on what he is seeing here in the US, he just shook his head.
March 21, 2010 at 12:12 pm
Curious, what country did you emigrate from?
March 21, 2010 at 12:15 pm
I am born American. And lucky, proud and grateful. :o)
March 21, 2010 at 12:18 pm
Sorry, meant for ssmith.
March 21, 2010 at 2:15 pm
Thank you! I am also an immigrant and consider this country the greatest.
March 21, 2010 at 11:54 am
I’ve never been first to comment on a thread before!
I don’t support the monstrosity being voted on today because it’s unconstitional, un-American, dangerous, and so obviously an attempt NOT at reforming healthcare, but at controlling America and all Americans.
I’m not sure if I would have liked or disliked Hillary as President, but I do feel she was cheated out of the Democrat nomination and would have been FAR better for the country than Obama. No matter what my feelings about her personally are, and no matter what quirks she may or may not have, what I can say with absolute certainty is that she’s not only intelligent, but also a pragmatist.
Even if — and this is ONLY a rhetorical “what-if” scenario — even if she was a dyed-in-the-wool leftist, she would NOT have destroyed this country. She would not have given the finger to 300,000,000 million Americans by ramming something down our throats that is going to quite possibly result in nationwide violence.
And we know for sure where she was born, too.
March 21, 2010 at 12:03 pm
BUT. All these other crazy loons were born here too. Take my congressman, Gary Peters. He actually is a lying scum, but he claims to love America too…
March 21, 2010 at 12:06 pm
I do think her HC Bill would have been more reasonable…I’m just saying destruction is coming from within at this point.
March 21, 2010 at 2:19 pm
Not anymore, they are saying that she was born in Canada. Is that not trying their hardest to destroy her?
March 21, 2010 at 11:54 am
Aw nuts! I was too slow. Oh well, second on the thread still isn’t too shabby.
March 21, 2010 at 11:56 am
:-)
I give up my #1 post to you.
you are now deemed the first poster for this thread.
March 21, 2010 at 12:33 pm
Is that “deem and post”?
March 21, 2010 at 1:28 pm
Why, thank you ever so kindly! (Wish I could deem this nightmare over, and the Unholy Trinity on their way to Leavenworth)
March 21, 2010 at 11:56 am
I don’t support it because it is not a genuine effort for reform. It is nothing more than a power grab by a fascist dictator who won the POTUS contest with stupid slogans, empty promises and a bunch of idiots drunk on fool aid.
He will fall hard.
March 21, 2010 at 11:57 am
Bingo!
March 21, 2010 at 12:03 pm
I don’t support it because it’s going to, along with the other things the government has taken control of, give the government control over almost 50% of the U.S. economy.
I don’t support it because it’s going to drive small and medium size businesses out of business.
I don’t support it because it’s going to take an already tottering economy and drive a stake through it’s heart, killing it.
I don’t support it because it’s going to take away Medicare Advantage plans from my clients and leave them stranded.
I don’t support it because it’s going to end up with more drs refusing to take medicare patients.
I don’t support it because about 1/3 of our current drs are going to stop practicing medicine.
I don’t support it because everyone will be forced to buy insurance and pay more than they ever dreamed of before.
I don’t support it because the last 3 things will mean forced large insurance premiums for a healthcare program that won’t have any health (no drs to see).
Lastly I don’t support it because it’s going to leave me without a job at age 56 with a 86 year old mother, no training for any other work, and no possibility of unemployment benefits. I have no idea how long before we both are out on Wisconsin streets….
literally.
March 21, 2010 at 12:14 pm
I’m in a similar situation. I’ll say some prayers for you. I hole things work out for you. I understand what you are going through right now.
March 21, 2010 at 12:20 pm
Sorry about my typos. I see them after I reread them. I use an I-phone right now since my computer is broke. The keys are so close together, and the phone is not easy to type on, but I am grateful to have it because I still have Internet access through it.
March 21, 2010 at 12:18 pm
Hang in there. Rely on your friends. We are all in this sh*t bucket together and we will get out of it together. Mark my words. We will not only survive this disaster, we will be stronger when we emerge from this storm.
March 21, 2010 at 2:06 pm
Thanks Keywest and Nomobama. The sun is shining outside today… but it’s pretty dark inside me. I can’t bear to turn the tv on.
If they pass this I’m not sure when I’ll be able to turn the tv on again- I can’t bear listening to them dance and crow over their victory of destruction of America and all we hold dear….
March 21, 2010 at 12:06 pm
I’ve worked in Health care for 30 years now, and I’ve seen the abuses, misuses etc of Medicaid-Medicare…. Both government ran and controlled.
I’ve seen folks go to the ER (before immediate meds) for minor injuries, no insurance— and still get treatment. I’ve never seen anyone get turned away.
I spent 15 years in Nursing Homes, seeing how the more government did, the less families felt they needed to do for their loved ones.
I proctor interns in my field going through their public health rotation. I’ve seen more than one go in with stars in their eyes, wanting to help the ‘poor and downtrodden’…… come in my office pissed that the ‘poor and downtrodden’ were driving nicer cars, talking I-phones, with fresh acrylic nails, planning on picking up seafood after picking up their ‘free stuff’.
I remember when people came in for free healthcare, services, WIC supplies etc and they were grateful, counting the days until the now longer needed it…..
Now? I’m seeing the greatgreat grand daughters doing what has now become a family tradition— going to the government offices to get ‘their stuff’…. and snapping at the workers if they’re slow. Humility has been replaced with arrogant entitlement.
Seriously, If I were 17, I’d be hard pressed to see the down side of having my babies early and staying home.
I now work in a large section of community health where 90% of our patients have never paid into the system, nor will they. Most of them are permanently institutionalized (be happy they are). The irony now is our state budget is broke, and the caregivers are being furloughed several days a month.
WE are doing with less than those we serve.
As one very liberal coworker said, when she was struggling with paycheck 3 days short “I never thought I’d see the day when I envied the inmates.”
I can’t image how bad it will be with even more people getting free care.
March 21, 2010 at 12:17 pm
Thank you for your insight.
March 21, 2010 at 12:23 pm
The first REFORM we need to see will be the Medicaid recipients being denied an EMS ride to the hospital for a runny nose. The second REFORM we need to see will be the re-emergency of food coupons vs. the EBT debit cards that get reloaded every month for these welfare sucking scuzzballs.
March 21, 2010 at 12:46 pm
We need a million reforms—
As one of my interns put it “the magic number of kids is three— three babies out of wedlock spaced out just right and you don’t need to work”. Live with Mom or BF and damn, live off of the checks with food and meds provided.
I could go on and on— if you new the regs that were in place to ‘protect’ that do more harm…. we can’t allow inmates/patients/customers to do any work around the campus. And many beg to do something useful…. they can’t so much as pick up trash, or rake leaves, or wash a dish. They have to sit all day and watch TV, otherwise, any labor is construed as abuse.
OK, maybe that’s it…. the mindset that work is abuse.
Now we’re dealing with morbid obesity 2o to no activity AND meds that cause weight gain…. and the biggest thing we could do to help— activity– is almost verbotten.
BTW, ask someone in Medicare billing how much they reimburse on the actual cost of an item…. only 80%.
We are so screwed.
March 21, 2010 at 2:42 pm
I question that 80% number at the end of your post. My husband is a surgeon and gets reimbursed only 20 cents on the dollar. Which means, he pays out of his pocket to treat medicare patients. He is close to closing his practice to medicare patients. He just can’t afford it anymore.
March 21, 2010 at 2:44 pm
I was basing it in Nursing Home per day reimbursement. Does that help?
March 21, 2010 at 3:34 pm
Yes, but I’m still surprised that it’s that high. In any event, we’re all screwed.
March 21, 2010 at 7:59 pm
EZBurns,
I too work in healthcare in an ER and see the exact things you are describing. It is so frustrating to go to work and deal with the entitlement attitudes who have never nor will they ever pay into the system. Nor do they have any desire to be contributers. I look at this population and it is so frustrating knowing that the money taken from my paycheck every month goes to enable this population, and I know it is taking from my children.
This healthcare bill is an absolute disaster for this country in so many ways. First and foremost, this is going to tank our economy. This bill alone is going to send us into a depression. Secondly, this does absolutely nothing to better healthcare in this country.
This is such a frustrating day for America.
March 21, 2010 at 12:08 pm
Because being a nurse in Canada and the UK sucks.
March 21, 2010 at 12:09 pm
I weep for America….
I weep for myself and my mother…
I weep for all of the businesses that will close because of this, and the millions more who will be unemployed…
I weep because due to the large costs put on states because of the medicaid increases, there will be less policemen and firemen….
I weep because all of those who died for America died in vain if this passes…..
My heart is breaking….
God bless America…. but may the curse of God be on everyone who votes “yes” on this plague on America today!
March 21, 2010 at 12:12 pm
Karen –
I am convinced we as a country on the brink of civil war if this passes.
I really don’t see any way ard it.
March 21, 2010 at 1:10 pm
There are answers less than revolution. What we need is the article V(5) constitutional convention. There are enough states pissed enough at the federal government that the states can add amendments that directly remove power from the feds.
March 21, 2010 at 12:25 pm
Karen, you have to hang in there and not accept defeat. We are all here with you, and will stay with you through this nightmare. I promise you, that America will rise again and that you and your mom will be fine. You just have to stay strong.
Stay. Strong.
March 21, 2010 at 12:10 pm
There are many reasons I don’t support this bill. For one, people can’t afford it. You can’t mandate that they purchase something they can’t afford. The subsidies aren’t going to help enough. It will create a hardship on families and small businesses.
The poorer people are going to passed along to medicaid. The problem with medicaid is that states can’t afford a new surge of people, but also that states practice recapture, where they seize people’s assets to pay themselves back for your medical care. It’s not a problem if you’re dirt poor living in a subsidized apartment, but if you’re a homeowner or you have assets, the state can take them. Elderly people who go into nursing homes under medicaid funding know this. They can’t leave their homes to their kids when they pass because the state will put a medicaid lean on it.
People who are lucky enough to have good insurance will be penalized for it with the so called cadillac tax.
So what does this bill deliver? Taxes, penalties, mandatory insurance purchases, rationed care, and it gives states access to your assets if you aren’t wealthy enough to opt out of medicaid.
March 21, 2010 at 12:11 pm
I honestly cannot think of a reason to like this bill.
Hillbuzz, you have covered my concerns, and then some.
It’s about time that our intrusive, big government be kept in check. I don’t need them dictating my life, especially when they have no interest in our inputs. Who do they think they are? I have never felt that they give a rat’s ass about me. Why should I support their attempt to take even more from all of us. Top this all off with the elitist attitude that these slugs have. It is maddening.
March 21, 2010 at 12:11 pm
Excellent summary of all that is wrong with this monstrosity. Regarding the European social welfare model, what many people fail to understand is that the only reason those countries have been able to sustain it this long is that the United States essentially provides for their defense. Because they could rely on the US military to defend them, they have been able to redirect resources that would otherwise be spent on national defense to social welfare programs. How long will will we be able to act as defenders of democracies around the world if Obamacare becomes the law of the land?
March 21, 2010 at 12:11 pm
This is not a healthcare reform bill. This is a skeleton government being put into place by progressives to implement socialist policies. It is the steel frame for a structure they are building to take over this country. And if it destroys the DNC they don’t care. Their concerns do not include destroying the Democratic party. In their minds even if they get sidelined by the public in November…the skeleton will still be there so they can go into hiding and wait it out and then later on down the road pick it up again and build more layers.
The progressives have a lot of patience. They’ve been trying to institute socialism since Woodrow Wilson. Each time they get power they take it further down the track.
That’s why we need to elect people who UNDERSTAND THIS and know how to dismantle the steel structure they are building.
March 21, 2010 at 12:33 pm
This is an excellent summation of what is happening right now. Obamacare is simply another wedge in the process begun by Wilson.
March 21, 2010 at 7:33 pm
Wow, Bev … great summation! I am afraid you are right … there is something rather diabolical about these progressive types. They have properly scared me now!
I agree that this is just step one of a much much larger plan and that the progressives are just chose to infect the democrat party because it was a riper target than the other choices. It is using the DNC as a host organism and will suck it dry and then emerge as its own party, strong and big.
Can’t FREAKING believe the IRS is getting this big “raise” … gasp, choke, freak out.
March 21, 2010 at 12:14 pm
…because you cannot lower insurance costs by eliminating the ability of insurance companies to manage risk.
This is like applying the mortgage meltdown economics to the healthcare industry.
March 21, 2010 at 12:17 pm
If this bill passes we are closing our shop. New EPA regs kick in on April 22nd. This bill along with the regs will be too much for us to bear economically.
March 21, 2010 at 12:18 pm
I’m trying to be positive, but Fox news is saying Stupak is making a deal. I am against this because it is unconstitutional, an invasion of privacy, and will ultimately destroy us.
March 21, 2010 at 12:19 pm
The House session has opened, with one-minute speeches from the Reps. So many falsehoods from out of the donkeys’ mouths …
March 21, 2010 at 12:19 pm
I am against this for many reasons, but the simplest to explain is that I’ve seen the results. When I lived in Madison we saw people from all over the world. One woman from England really remains in my thoughts 30 years after meeting her. She was a lovely Mom with a lovely smile. Then I started cleaning her teeth. Most patients I could do in 45 minutes. I spent 3 hours cleaning her teeth. She knew even then that the British system wasn’t good, but she didn’t realize how bad it was until I showed her the X-rays. If this system can’t even do relatively simple dentistry, well, all I can say is God help us.
March 21, 2010 at 12:21 pm
I am against it, because I DO believe Article One, Section Seven prevents government control of our health…but…like we feared they would…Stupak has ‘agreed’ to an Executive Order ‘workaround.’
Read it, and trully weep:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2476084/posts
The lawsuits start tomorrow.
March 21, 2010 at 12:35 pm
What. The. Hell?
Major Garrett just tweeted…Stupak still a NO…don’t believe DEM Whip reports per FR…
Psy ops going on?
March 21, 2010 at 12:42 pm
yep, remember the undemocratic primaries.
remember the south dakota one in particular.
Assholes at CNN went on the air and said “Hillary is pulling out” ON THE DAY OF THE SOUTH DAKOTA primary.
didn’t ask her campaign, just took the damn Obot talking points and went on the air with it.
–of course Hillary still won south dakota.
March 21, 2010 at 12:23 pm
I do not believe Hillary would have turned the American people against eachother as much as Obama has. She would have recognized how unhealthy it is. She would have know how bad it is for our country.
I am anxious to see what she does these coming months. She has been ignored and marginilized by Obama. Even today he is using her to accomplish dirty deeds and make no mistake if his policies overseas start to catch up with him he will point the finger at Hillary immediately. I’m absolutely positive that the first thing he and his staff did when they came to the White House was dig up dirt on Bill Clinton to hold over her head to control her. If you watch closely you will see tidbits of information released about Hillary or Bill (unnamed sources of course) and there’s a reason for that. Bill Kristol of National Review talks about this a lot.
I would not count out the Clintons. I am not a Democrat. I am a Reagan Republican. I do not agree with some of the things Hillary does but I know she loves her country. I truly want to believe that the Clintons have a plan up their sleeves and will outsmart the Obama machine.
March 21, 2010 at 1:14 pm
Oh I don’t think for one second that he won’t throw Hillary under the bus if the opportunity arises. He’s already alienated her followers so what is he to lose?
Prior to the ’08 election I was not a Clinton fan *at all* but seeing how the dems treated the BEST candidate they had just because they wanted (I feel)an African American in office before a woman had a chance. (The same pattern repeats in history for owning land, voting, jobs, etc.) As a result I have been warming up to Hillary and perhaps I will vote for her one day.
I hope that Hillary will come out victorious from this experience with an “I told you so” smirk on her lips when the Dems realize their idiocy for following Dr. Utopia.
March 21, 2010 at 12:24 pm
It is my understanding from Glenn Beck that Illinois Rep Jan Schakowsky’s husband Robert Creamer wrote the healthcare bill and a book about it while he was in prison for stealing money from a charity and kiting checks. He is a far left progressive who was protected by the machine in Illinois from getting a lengthy sentence.
This bill is about powere and destroying our economy, not improving anything.
March 21, 2010 at 12:39 pm
Yep. He wrote the entire plan while sitting in prison for bank fraud. Ironic isn’t it?
He is a socialist. The Cloward-Piven strategy is also being deployed which is even scarier. That’s when they completely bankrupt the economy and we have to re-set with all other countries to a third-world economy. Instead of being far and above everybody else it will make the US equal with say…CUBA.
I’ve been storing canned food and dried foods for a year now. I have no doubt they are going to try to implode our economy. They are following the Cloward-Piven and Robert Creamer strategies to the T.
March 21, 2010 at 12:40 pm
p.s. That is what the philosophy of “Social Justice” means. You can even google that and it shows what it means.
March 21, 2010 at 12:26 pm
Concerning the legislation itself, the exemption provisions for the executive and legislative branches already speaks volumes.
One of the reforms that President Palin ought to set in motion is a radical reduction in the size and scope of the HHS in Washington. Perhaps, as with the Education Department, it deserves to be abolished entirely.
March 21, 2010 at 12:26 pm
I do not support the current Health Care Bill because:
1. Too much government intervention
2. Taxation too large
3. Two new taxes (income, and premium)
4. Disparate treatment based on income.
5. Redistribution of wealth / health
6. Penalizes threatens employers
7. Establishes dangerous precedent
8. Disables / damages economic growth
9. Does not engage healthcare cost
10. Too costly. We cannot afford.
11. Enlarges deficit
12. Diminishes healthcare delivery
13. Punishes those who responsibly earn
14. Rewards those who are irresponsible
15. Mandates against liberty and freedoms
16. Does not address tort reforms
17. Proceedurally corrupt bill construction
18. Creates another “entitlement” program
19. Will bankrupt our nation
20. Will bankrupt my children
The primary reason that I believe this bill should not pass: Because I do not believe in rewarding people for participating. I believe we should reward contribution not participation. Not everyone deserves a Trophy just for showing up.
March 21, 2010 at 12:57 pm
Adding other reasons:
I. Creates 150 plus new federal agencies
II. Adds new power to IRS
III. Adds 16500 more IRS agents
IV. Ruins possibilities of R&D in the medical field
V.Institutes rationed medical care
It is OK that my grandchildren will have smaller homes and cars than I have, but this will ruin their chances to work to achieve the American dream.
I had that dream and I want my grandchildren to wake up every morning (when they are older:)) knowing there are opporunities in this country for them.
I will never give up hope that THE DAMAGE can be undone.
March 21, 2010 at 12:30 pm
If they pass this POS, I am closing all bank accounts and will do business in cash, barter for goods and services and divest from the US Government. Starve the beast.
March 21, 2010 at 1:31 pm
I have slowly been stashing money away and non-perishables preparing for the worst. If they pass their commie bill, I’m withdrawing all my money from the bank tomorrow. The only problem is most businesses use direct deposit to your bank accounts. The government agencies will just deduct their portion before your check is deposited, just like they do for social security and state/federal deductions. I’m not sure how any of us can protect our bank accounts/assets and finances from these loons. I’m open for suggestions.
March 21, 2010 at 1:36 pm
me 2.
I’m calling goldline and buying gold.
the system is going to crash and very soon.
March 21, 2010 at 3:09 pm
How do you convert the gold to use for purchases or bartering? I would be interested in investing into gold/silver if I knew how to use them. Could you please give me some insight?
March 21, 2010 at 2:08 pm
Only way to go! This bill allows them to monitor our Bank Account.
They already do it to my business account! They determine I owe taxes? Thy akit out of the Business account. Then we PROVE we don’t owe those taxes? Takes EVERAL WEEKS to get it back
VERY FEW, have any idea what this bill will allow the Government to do!
EVERYONE, with any brains, will go UNDERGROUND- as quickly as possible.
Business’s will go on a REAL CASH basis. No credit cards, no bank accounts. No more dollar’s or coins. Maybe gold or silver and trading of services!
TRULY SCARY DAY’S AHEAD!
OOPS, now i’m on the LIST for audit!
March 21, 2010 at 2:12 pm
Sorry for Typo’s. Computer problem.
March 21, 2010 at 8:09 pm
So use the direct deposit. And the day after payday, go get 99% of the money out.
Keep what you have to in the bank to keep the account open.
If you’re like me, and you can’t remember to pay your bills, then keep enough money in there to cover the main ones with automatic payments.
But for shopping and savings, barter and cash, baby!!!
March 21, 2010 at 12:31 pm
Most of the specific reasons I don’t support this bill have been covered. But I will add one more that I haven’t seen posted yet:
I support nothing that comes from Obama or his administration because I don’t trust them and they deserve no victories. I’m sure that would sound nuts to some. But it’s central for me. It is nuts enough that we must live under their rule, but if we must, then I feel we must do all we can to ensure they have no victories, that they are unable to advance their agenda. They must be able to claim nothing when they are through. But of course, this will not be the case.
Meanwhile, I see the press is poised to gush all about this “victory” with little or no mention of how the victory came to pass or the fact that a piece of legislation has been forced forward that the majority of Americans don’t want.
A crazy time in which we live.
Onward…..
March 21, 2010 at 12:34 pm
I’m not watching the vote. I have no interest in watching Piglosi gloat.
If they want to destroy the Democratic party then more power to them. We are going to sweep government and the Democrats will be in the dust pan for good. We can truly see the real color of the Democratic Party. They are socialist progressives. No question about it. The far-left took over the DNC and there is no such thing as a “blue dog” now.
The moderate Democrats sold out their people for what?
This means that the Republican party is now the party of inclusion. Moderate Democrats are all welcome. Independents? We have room for you, too. Do you believe in individual freedom, free market society, freedom of religion, and fiscal responsibility? Or do you believe you have the “right” to be poor, have nothing, and depend on the government for your rice ration while the elitists sit in their mansions snorting coke and changing sex parners faster than used paper towels?
The American Revolution was won against all odds because the enemy underestimated the power of the people. We won WWII against all odds because we believed in ourselves and fought hard for our country’s peace.
Good always conquers evil. The evil-doers may get the upper hand from time to time but good always comes back and wins.
March 21, 2010 at 1:41 pm
Very true. A couple of other things to remember:
1) 305,000,000 of us. 535 of them.
2) “Dewey Defeats Truman” headline.
3) For hundreds of years, everyone “knew” that the world was falt. Sort of like everyone (not just lamestream media, but Fox News as well) “knows” the monstrosity will pass.
NO ONE knows what’s going to happen until it happens. Don’t listen to propaganda — its purpose is to demoralize and depress people. Even if it does pass, re-read #1 on my list. Hell, it’s even made ME feel better. :-)
March 21, 2010 at 1:42 pm
Ah crap. In #3, that should be “flat”, not “falt”. Sheesh.
March 21, 2010 at 12:34 pm
Short Answer: Its a piece of meaningless garbage
Long(er): Its been clear from the beginning that this piece of
shitlegislature is only being forced through to serve the ego of the POTUS.There are no benefits to (legal) citizens, and the only benefactors will be the insurance industry and those who are here illegally (who seem to be the next Obama voting bloc)
March 21, 2010 at 12:35 pm
Good review of today’s events by Michelle Malkin:
http://michellemalkin.com/
March 21, 2010 at 12:37 pm
I just called John Boehner’s officer, was surprised someone picked up… told him I am one pissed off dimocrat who WILL NEVER vote for another democrat.
told him, tell the repubs, they are on the side of the american AND REPEAL THIS $HIT or at least break up into tiny tiny pieces so it can’t harm americans.
if you feel inclined, please call
(202) 225-6205
the repubs need to know only they are now helping the american people, the undemocratic party is the one of tyranny.
I also called:
john coryn:
Main: 202-224-2934
Main: 713-572-3337
and I called grassley:
202) 224-3744 (O)
March 21, 2010 at 12:39 pm
You’re a real patriot. I love your spirit. I contact all Reublican senators on a routine basis to express my views. Needless to say, the pace has picked up in recent weeks.
March 21, 2010 at 2:46 pm
I called (202) 225-6205
Only took 2 dials.
March 21, 2010 at 12:39 pm
If Stupack is a no…. please call him and tell him exective orders are NOT held up in ct.
they are just a false carrot being used.
http://patriotroom.com/article/rember-this-stupak-clinton-v-city-of-new-york-line-item-veto-is-unconstitutional
PLEASE call him and let him to stand firm.
Phone: (202) 225 4735
(989) 356 0690
(906) 875 3751
March 21, 2010 at 12:43 pm
CALL! CALL! CALL!
There are people answering the phones. They ask:
Where are you calling from?
Do you oppose or support the bill?
CALLL!!!!!
March 21, 2010 at 12:45 pm
Can’t get through!!!!!!
March 21, 2010 at 1:04 pm
keep trying.
They are defenitely taking calls. just keep pressing redial.
thanks!
March 21, 2010 at 12:41 pm
An inspiring piece over at AT today. It’s short but a worthwhile read:
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2010/03/she_still_doesnt_have_the_vote.html
March 21, 2010 at 12:42 pm
PEOPLE….Please remember that the DEMS are releasing info to psych-out people.
Stupak is still a no. They are trying to force Dems into voting yes by releasing false information. So don’t post these stupid propaganda pieces because that is what they want you to do.
March 21, 2010 at 12:43 pm
I think we should all light a candle for Freedom right now.
It is raining very hard here where I am. An omen. Very unusual weather, even my dogs are scared.
March 21, 2010 at 12:44 pm
its postively sunny in DC. I live in VA, its a gorgeous day.
March 21, 2010 at 2:56 pm
After todays vote, this sensational video needs to be up dated.
Next step to take? Raise hundreds of Millions to make sure EVERY AMERICAN sees it!
March 21, 2010 at 6:11 pm
I absolutely agree.
March 21, 2010 at 12:43 pm
I am against it because I think this is the slippery slope to socialism.
My family is from Irealnd and Canada.
I had an Aunt who DIED waiting for a surgery in Canada.
Another Aunt in Ireland has been waiting 4 months for a simple hand surgery.
I could get in this week if I needed a simple hand surgery.
Also… I see America turning into Europe.
Europe .. in great times.. has the un employment we do now.
My family in Ireland (God bless them).. live off the dole. They have NO incentive to work. NONE. The taxes are crazy.. gas prices are insame.
All in the name of ‘helping’.
My father came here in the 60′s. He just shakes his head at what is going on in America. He came here to get away from the lazy European way of life.
March 21, 2010 at 12:45 pm
We’re broke. The money dosen’t exist. Economic chaos will follow. On the bright side the Democrat party will be destroyed for decades.
March 21, 2010 at 12:48 pm
Am Canadian and watch in sadness what is happening in the USA. Our Universal Health Insurance was introduced in 1963 so that people would not be bankrupted for a broken leg. Since then, the system has expanded exponentially to include all sorts of expensive treatments. Our system is now broken, not enough doctors, doctors who could care less about their patients and a population who take NO responsibility for their own health. I do, because I KNOW the system will not be there for me. Thank God, I come from good genetic stock!!
March 21, 2010 at 12:49 pm
If Stupack is a no…. please call him and tell him exective orders are NOT held up in ct.
It appears the dims are trying to phy out everyone with the appearance of inevitablitily.
they are just a false carrot being used.
http://patriotroom.com/article/rember-this-stupak-clinton-v-city-of-new-york-line-item-veto-is-unconstitutional
PLEASE call him and let him to stand firm.
THEY ARE TAKING CALLS — I just called them, told them an executive order is UNconstitutional, line-by-line veto is unconstitional, so any carrot of a exec order for “ban on abortions” will be deemed uncontittional
Phone: (202) 225 4735
(989) 356 0690
(906) 875 3751
PLEASE CALL, THEY ARE TAKING CALLS…. PLEASE TAKE 2 MINTUES TO CALL, TELL ALL YOUR FRIENDS TO CALL.
March 21, 2010 at 1:16 pm
Done. Thanks for posting the info.
March 21, 2010 at 3:02 pm
Mailbox is full. Can’t leave message!
March 21, 2010 at 12:56 pm
Per AT, these are still undecided:
Baird
Phone (202) 225-3536
Fax (202) 225-3478
Berry
Phone (202) 225-4076
Fax (202) 225-5602
Dahlkemper
Phone (202) 225-5406
Fax (202) 225-3103
Davis
Phone (202) 225-6831
Fax (202) 226-5172
Kanjorski
Phone (202) 225-6511
Fax (202) 225-0764
McMahon
Phone (202) 225-3371
Fax (202) 226-1272
Pomeroy
Phone 202-225-2611
Fax (202) 226-0893
March 21, 2010 at 12:57 pm
Sunday morning dogfight (Rove v. Plouffe):
http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/2010/03/exclusive-plouffe-and-rove-battle-it-out-over-health-care-reform.html
With a vote on health care reform looming in the House of Representatives, it was a no-holds barred debate this morning on “This Week.”
“We are going to be much better positioned politically…if we pass this,” David Plouffe, who managed Barack Obama’s campaign, told ABC’s Jon Karl this morning on “This Week.” “We had 15 million new voters vote in the 2008 election. These were people who were cynical that their vote really mattered. If we don’t pass health care, I think that sends a very depressing message,” Plouffe said. But, Plouffe insisted, if the bill passes “it’s going to be a very powerful message to them that the vote mattered and they ought to stay involved in politics.”
“We will see if they pass this bill,” Karl Rove, who was “the Architect” behind George W. Bush’s two successful Presidential elections, said. “I hope they don’t. I pray they don’t. It will be an economic disaster for the country if they do.” Rove said that the health care bill used “Bernie Madoff-style accounting” and was an “gigantic disaster.”
“Karl and the Republicans would be familiar with that,” Plouffe retorted. “Under their leadership, they took us from big budget surpluses… to a $1.3 trillion deficit,” he said.
Rove hit back: “Look, you have run up more deficit, before this bill, in the first 20 months and 11 days of your term in office then was done in the entire Bush years!”
“Don’t be lecturing us about what you’re doing with the profligate spending that started last year with the failed stimulus bill,” Rove said, “and continued with your budget increases.”
“You will bankrupt the country, if this bill passes!” Rove insisted.
Plouffe responded with another jab: “Karl and the Republicans have zero credibility – about as much credibility as the country of Greece does to talk about fiscal responsibility.”
Rove, brandishing a white board with health care cost figures, interrupted: “For God’s sake, will you stop throwing around epithets and deal with the facts for once, David!”
Plouffe, rolling his eyes, responded: “Let’s put the fanciful chart away…”
Before he could finish, Rove interrupted: “This is not a fanciful chart, deal with the chart!”
Plouffe said Democrats were helping to get the country back on track and address big issues like health care and that “the Republican Party, for the most part, is not lifting an oar to help row us…” Plouffe said.
“That’s bunk!” Rove interjected. “Republicans have offered a positive alternative on health care and you didn’t bother to have one meeting between March 5 of 2009 and February 25 of 2010 to discuss how the White House could involve some of those Republican ideas in the bill. Don’t give us that bunk,” Rove said.
March 21, 2010 at 1:13 pm
Bigger government increases the number of angry, ungrateful, lazy, spoiled and self-centered people.
It’s abundantly clear that as a nation, we’ve exceeded our quota.
March 21, 2010 at 1:13 pm
In case you don’t watch TV (like me), C-span is streaming this dog pile. http://www.c-span.org/Watch/C-SPAN.aspx
March 21, 2010 at 1:18 pm
Reasons to oppose the healthcare bill:
1. Government access to bank accounts.
2. Mandatory Deathcare counseling (for us older folks
3. The porkfest of bribes included in the bill
4. What the Boyz already wrote.
March 21, 2010 at 1:42 pm
I plan on being a burden on my children. :-)
March 21, 2010 at 1:19 pm
AP reporting Stupak has joined Comrades Obama, Pelosi & Reid in undermining freedom these United States.
March 21, 2010 at 1:24 pm
AP == American Pravada
But, if this is true, then the fight begins tommorow to kick out every asshole who voted for this crap.
and bring in people who will correct this, it may not be repealable b/c of that asshole in the WH, but major major parts of it can be defunded until a president comes in to repeal it.
March 21, 2010 at 1:25 pm
Stupack’s spokesman emails Major garret at fox saying he is still a no.
who the hell knows?
March 21, 2010 at 1:34 pm
~~ When people fear their Government, there is Tyranny. When the Government fear’s the people, there is LIBERTY ~~ T. Jefferson
Simply put’ it’s Socialism,,, “America is not ruled by a dictatorship” last i checked!
The Bill of Rights were not by accident’ but were implemented for the people and by the people, we must never stop fighting for these rights…”
Our Founding Father’s should expect nothing less from us’ We as Americans must never let our enemy’s dictate beyond these law’s..”
and right now’ most American’s know who these enemy’s are.
March 21, 2010 at 1:37 pm
Washington Examiner just posted Stupak is still “NO”.
March 21, 2010 at 1:46 pm
We can only pray its so.
March 21, 2010 at 1:41 pm
There are so many things about this bill to which one can object. Most have been listed by others, but here is one reason that should give everyone pause:
**The government will hire ~ 15,000 more IRS agents at a cost of around $10 billion to enforce the mandate that everyone carry insurance. It will be done on a monthly basis.**
With all the chicanery, smoke and mirrors, outright deception, bribery and refusal to listen to our objections, is anyone surprised that the Dems would have one of the most hated federal agencies policing this program?
It’s going to be like the Stasi gathering even more personal information about every citizen in the country. Big Brother creepiness in every respect, fines and threat of imprisonment for non-compliance.
This is why I would never and will never vote for a Democrat. Actually, there are many. If anyone believed that they ever cared about individual rights, you were sold a pack of lies. If anyone thinks that party is worth resurrecting, they’re as insane as Pelosi.
March 21, 2010 at 1:47 pm
From Gretawire:
Members unfurl “Don’t Tread on Me” Banner
Big protest in the south yard of the Capitol. Lots of protesters shouting “kill the bill” and waving “Don’t Tread on Me” banners. Then Reps. Kevin McCarthy (R-CA), who is the Chief Deputy Whip, Mary Fallin (R-OK), Bill Posey (R-FL) and Geoff Davis (R-KY) unfurled their own yellow “Don’t Tread on Me” banner from a side balcony of the Capitol, adjacent to the Speaker’s Lobby.
March 21, 2010 at 2:02 pm
Really?? I’m checking that out!
March 21, 2010 at 1:53 pm
Because I was born and raised in a FREE Country. A Democracy! This is not what Democracy looks like!
First the abortions, then granny, then the handicapped, then the non-essential, then whatever whim comes next! This is Not your father’s healthcare bill!!!! It’s wrong! Keep praying while you post!
March 21, 2010 at 2:00 pm
POPULATION OF SWEDEN: 9.2 million
(Percentage illegal immigrants?)
While we’re at it, and because Oprah is enthralled by it…
POPULATION OF DENMARK: 5.5 million
(Percentage illegal immigrants?)
And their programs are unsustainable.
Now, by contrast…
POPULATION OF NEW YORK CITY ALONE: 8 million
POPULATION OF USA: 307.2 million
Percentage illegal immigrants: Your guess is as good as mine, but no question, it’s a heck of a lot higher.
Tired of hearing about Sweden and Denmark in fantasy, head in the sand terms. Show me a nation of 300 million or so with excellent, equitable, sustainable big government health care, and we’ll talk.
March 21, 2010 at 2:05 pm
Not to mention that these countries also have far more homogeneous populations than the U.S. which makes some issues less complex.
March 21, 2010 at 2:07 pm
Yes, and the population of the UK is ~ 62 million. NHS there is a disaster.
The idea that our government which is utterly corrupt can or will administer health care better or more efficiently for 300+ million is absurd.
This plan is *not* about health care or ‘deficit reduction.’ It is a tax scam, and it’s about control
If it were any good, Congress would sign up for it. It would have been embraced by the public, and they wouldn’t need the IRS to harass citizens to comply.
March 21, 2010 at 7:58 pm
A close relative of mine has endometriosis and has managed to have a soccer team of ten doctors jumping through hoops trying to cure it. (Not possible – it’s chronic but since they are in the national health scheme and being paid anyway they are just giving it their all). She has had at least a half dozen laparoscopies and nothing ever gets accomplished. But hey, it’s free. She hasn’t worked in a year because she gets unemployment and sick benefits. This is one big stinkin’ joke and it’s what we can look forward to.
March 21, 2010 at 2:07 pm
Democrats Predict Slim Margin in Health Vote
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/22/health/policy/22health.html?partner=rss&emc=rss
WASHINGTON — With the stage set for a historic showdown over landmark health legislation in the House on Sunday afternoon, the White House and Democratic Congressional leaders narrowed their hunt for votes to a slim list of lawmakers, including several opponents of abortion who were demanding assurance that no federal money would be used to pay for insurance coverage of the procedure.
Democrats late Saturday night said the 216 votes needed were nearly within their reach, but acknowledged that the margin of victory would likely be razor thin even under their most optimistic scenario. Republicans said they still held out hope of derailing the legislation.
Even on Sunday morning, the vote was clearly too close to call. Rep. John Larson, the chairman of the Democratic caucus, told ABC’s “This Week” program that the votes were in hand. “We have the votes now — as we speak,” he said. But at the same time, Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz, the deputy Democratic House whip, told “Fox News Sunday” that the Democrats “don’t have a hard 216 right now.”
March 21, 2010 at 2:16 pm
Politico has a story out stating that it was Pelosi who pushed for this fiasco while the WH felt it better to move incrementally.
There’s another reason why Pelosi went full bore for this mess, imo. I think she was one of the people who sabotaged Hillary’s campaign. There was never enough room in DC for Hillary to be POTUS with Pelosi behind her. Passing the monstrous health care bill will be another poke in the eye from Pelosi to Hillary. She knew she could control BO, but she could not control Hillary.
It’s all about power and ego. Screw the people.
You can check out the story at Hot Air or Politico. When I post a link it seems that the filter slows down posts.
March 21, 2010 at 4:44 pm
I don’t support this bill because it will ultimately bring about the end of America as we know it if it is implemented. Period.
The numbers used in this bill to get the CBO score that the Dims wanted were manipulated in the most horrendous ways, yet they really didn’t even try to hide that very fact. Paul Ryan WAS NOT pulling his numbers out of thin air during his statement at the health care summit last month:
http://dailybail.com/home/best-5-minutes-of-health-care-summit-paul-ryans-opening-stat.html
If the Social Security payments are actually used for this bill, then clearly, the government has no intent of paying them out as required. (Why? Because they really do want to bankrupt SS, or because they plan on killing a bunch of people so they don’t have to worry about continuing payments to them?!?!) If you consider that the $500B in Medicare cuts is counted twice, that’s a $400B deficit after the $100B savings is realized. Hello??? Dims??? Do you get this???
Add to this that the Regressives have made it all but clear that it’s their “starter home,” aka the first step to a single-payer system.
For forever, doctors and hospitals have subsidized Medicare payments that have always fallen a little short of covering the cost of services by adding a little more to the price that is charged to those with private insurance (and the Dims wonder why insurance rates keep going up, even with the aging population!). What is going to happen when there aren’t any private insurance left to subsidize Medicare with, like when the government has made it so hard for the insurance companies to do business that they all just shut down? Yeah, that’ll be great.
All of this is so readily apparent that there is really no other way for a rational human being to do but see this as a deliberate power grab with the aim of bankrupting this country via Cloward & Piven. Then let the REAL fun begin…
March 21, 2010 at 4:46 pm
Oh! And let me add that everyone has to wonder why a bill as “wonderful” as this would need bribes and threats of cheating to get passed, and only amongst the party in power…
And why would they have to make a provision that makes it all but impossible to repeal, requiring such a large number of votes that it would be all but impossible to do. If this was a great program, there would be no inclination to repeal it, so you wouldn’t have to worry about setting down such an impossible way to do it.
ARGH!
March 21, 2010 at 6:28 pm
Andi, I agree with you. Boyz, I think our goal should be to remove EVERY Democrat from the Senate. If we could get 67 Republicans/CONSERVATIVES, we could get the bill repealed, and possibly put in legislative language that prohibits thr Senate from passing ANY kind of Healthcare restructuring legislation without a 90% majority.
March 22, 2010 at 12:39 am
Cloward-Piven it is. I’m afraid you’ve hit it on the head, Andi. I wish it weren’t so.
And yes, kill off the old folks, the disabled and as many of those still in the womb as possible. George Soros bought the White House for Barack Obama, and Soros’ number-one priority is global population reduction. He would NOT have backed Obama if Obama were not on board with his radical depopulation ideology.
Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel, Obama’s health care advisor, is on record advocating rationing because some people just cost too damn much to let them continue living.
http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/secondhandsmoke/2009/07/30/what-does-ezekiel-emanuel-really-believe-about-rationing-age-maybe-quality-of-life-yes/
March 21, 2010 at 6:16 pm
Karl Rove argued with David Plouffe on ABC this morning about the health care bill. Rove cleaned his clock. So much so, the Soros paid trolls are all over the comment section of the following ABC link.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/2010/03/exclusive-plouffe-and-rove-battle-it-out-over-health-care-reform.html
there has to be manufactured talking points, because every one of the anti-Rove comments say the same thing. “I’m never watch ABC this week again, Rove was a bully who kept shouting down Plouffe..Blah blah blah. I never would have realized this if I hadn’t been reading this blog.
March 21, 2010 at 6:53 pm
Everyone get ready for all the “heart warming stories” of how all the insurance company reforms that go into effect emmediatly “have saved lives” and “saved families from lossing their homes” I guarantee that Obama, the dems and the LSM are going to be filling the american people’s heads with loads of trash.
Never again! under-estimate the stupidity of many of our fellow americans! Never!
March 21, 2010 at 8:24 pm
I just can’t wait.
I loved the story this week about the kid who lost his mother. (Being sarcastic on all fronts, obviously.)
His mom loses her job and therefore insurance, but doesn’t apply for Medicaid, which she would then be qualified for. Once she finds out she’s sick, she goes to the emergency room once, but doesn’t go back. She doesn’t look into any of the state programs besides Medicaid that could have helped her either. In short, she gave up and decided it was easier to die. Nice.
I am very sorry for her kids, however. And I’m very sorry that her son has been used as a pawn in this ugly process. He’ll be scarred for life, and he’ll certainly think that his mom was entitled to something, so therefore he’s entitled too.
The entitlement culture goes on…
March 22, 2010 at 12:27 am
“It’s going to be a pushing and shoving free for all, and the biggest losers will ironically enough be people too infirm and sick to aggressively fight for the services they need.”
You’ve said it perfectly, guys. People won’t realize how awful this is until they or someone they love is denied access to what they need.
I know a lovely couple who had a profoundly disabled son. Perhaps because they received state funds to help with his expenses, they have always been very liberal Democrats. The irony is that they are also very pro-life, were very supportive of efforts to save Terri Schiavo from her scumbag husband’s campaign to thirst her to death, etc.
But they continue to support things like ObamaCare, not realizing that the first people to get hurt by government rationing will be individuals like their son! The taxes on medical devices such as wheelchairs, hearing aids, walkers and prosthetics are gonna be a nasty surprise for the elderly, the disabled (including, I assume, war-injured veterans) and their caregivers.