Last night, we were all at Roscoe’s here in Boystown, having our first pitcher of Green Miller Lite for St. Patrick’s Day, where Panda was telling us about a crazy person who think she’s James Brown’s illegitimate daughter, and is convinced his body’s been stolen from his crypt and is “being hidden somewhere” just so no one can ever prove the things she’s saying are true. Sheer and utter madness.
On the part of Panda — who not only believes the woman, but goes a step further and says, “I don’t think he’s even really dead. I think he just wanted to retire, but people wouldn’t leave him alone, so he faked his death and is living the good life somewhere in secret, like in Death Becomes Her”. That’s a movie in which Panda also believes Marilyn, Greta Garbo, James Dean, Jim Morrison, and Elvis “played themselves”, secretly, as an in-joke in party scenes where long-dead celebrities are shown to have drunk magic potions to keep them alive forever. Panda, inexplicably Chicagoland’s number one Michael Jackson fan, is more convinced than ever by the James Brown crypt eviction nonsense that “MJ” is still alive, well, and moonwalking somewhere. ”He just didn’t want to be bothered anymore, and is doing fine in Switzerland or Dubai, and in like 30 years someone will tell when he’s really dead and the secret is safe”.
We swear, we only had the one pitcher of Green Beer. And we shared it four ways. So, where Panda gets this stuff is just beyond us.
But it makes us think about what Democrats are doing these days — actually working to usurp the Constitution and trying to cram their Healthcare Rationing bill through Congress without the House voting on it.
The way the Constitution reads, for a bill to become law the Senate and the House must both pass the exact same bill. Then, once it’s passed in both Chambers, it goes to the White House to be signed or vetoed.
Democrats wrongly, and unconstitutionally, believe they can take the bill the Senate passed on Christmas Eve, in secret, in the dead of night, and claim “it’s as good as passed” in the House, without the House actually passing it. Then, they want to just shunt that Senate bill to the White House for passage.
We don’t see how it’s possible for them to succeed in this, but let’s operate for a second under the assumption they can get away with that. Let’s just say they do it. The White House signs it. It becomes law.
In the vernacular of people like us, children of the 80s, it’s the equivalent of moving the Death Star within firing range of Alderaan and letting slip a giant, lethal blast of planet-killing destructive energy.
Only, in our example, it’s not a planet they’ll destroy (so, calm down Al Gore, no chance here of setting up a new apocalyptic cult for yourself), or a nation, or the Constitution.
No, if these lunatics do this, they will destroy the Democrat Party. Utterly and completely. There won’t even be asteroids the size of cookie crumbs left when the dust settles on this.
If you know Star Wars, you’ll realize the moment the Empire destroyed Alderaan, using its most destructive and in-you-face weapon for the first time, was when it really lost the Galactic Civil War. By doing something so horrible, so unimaginable, so abusive of power, it steeled Princess Leia Organa into the no-holds-barred freedom fighter she became in the opening scenes of Empire Strikes Back, leading rebel efforts on the icy moon of Hoth, ditching her flowing, halycon white princess robes for the no-nonsense gear of a woman determined to bring the Empire down at all costs and restore democracy to the Republic.
THAT is what’s going to happen to people all across this country if Democrats aim and point a weapon of mass destruction at the Constitution. The energy unleashed will not come from the party, but from the PEOPLE, who will direct a massive blast of American common sense and patriotism at the DNC, and we believe nothing at all will remain standing.
We do not believe there will still exists a Democrat party after 2012 if the three socialist fools standing on the bridge of the White House’s insane version of the Death Star do what they have sworn they will do. Obama. Pelosi. Reid. The three people who will fully reveal the Democrat Part to be the anti-American destructive force it has become.
We don’t believe they’ll succeed in firing that Death Star, but if they do, they will the ones who will ultimately be destroyed, because in doing something so heinous and unimaginable, they will wake a sleeping giant.
Guys like us will commit full time to doing everything we can to bringing every Democrat out there, at all levels down.
Housewives will stop shuttling the kids to all manner of nonsense like karate classes, and finally realize there’s more important things to do than race around in minivans all day. They will stay home and create Coffee Clubs in their kitchens, where they will gather together neighbors and plot strategy for taking back the country.
Union guys, who always have done what their Union masters have told them, will finally think for themselves, get off the comfy leather Union-enabled Barcoloungers, and will decide, “That’s it. I’ve had enough of this socialist crap. Time to kick butt and save America”.
All across the country this will happen.
A Resistance will form.
In Cleveland. And Mineral City. And Chicago. And Pittsburgh. And San Antonia. And Rochester. And New York.
All of our home towns.
All of yours.
And somewhere, in the West, like Leia of Alderaan, we believe a strong woman will emerge to lead the Resistance and take back our government starting in 2010, and culminating in 2012 when she heads to the White House herself to clean up the biggest mess left of our government since the Civil War.
In Wasilla, Alaska, you’ll find her.
The Force is strong in her.
May the love of country be as strong in all of us — because at this moment in history we need it. And America needs us all to remain vigilant and strong in the face of unimaginable Democrat-wielded horrors.


March 13, 2010 at 5:12 pm
HillBuzz : you will love this new cartoon published in the WSJ:
http://i39.tinypic.com/2yzlafn.jpg
March 13, 2010 at 5:23 pm
LOL!
March 13, 2010 at 6:08 pm
LOL indeed. It’s deadly-serious stuff, still the HillBuzz Boyz manage to make me laugh.
March 13, 2010 at 5:31 pm
Allahu Barakhbar
http://www.scribd.com/doc/24002947/Allahu-Akhbar
March 13, 2010 at 5:35 pm
Barack Hussein Obahmadinejihad
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7hc_CI3f1A
“My administration is now committed to diplomacy [appeasement] that addresses the full range of issues before us and to pursuing constructive ties among the United States, Iran [Mullahs] , and the international community [57 Islamic States]. This process will not be advanced by threats [except to American infidels who oppose Allah and my unconstitutional administration]. We seek engagement [submission to Islam] that is honest [deceptive] and grounded in mutual respect [deception]…”
March 13, 2010 at 5:38 pm
Barack Hussein Obama, Usurper in Chief
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpGH02DtIws
“I’ve now been in 57 [Islamic] States…”
57 Islamic States
http://www.oic-oci.org/member_states.asp
March 13, 2010 at 5:41 pm
Barack Hussein Obama, Jihadist in Chief
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tt2yGzHfy7s&feature=related
“We cannot continue to rely on our military in order [to silence the American infidels who oppose Allah and my unconstitutional administration and] to achieve the national security objectives [submission to Islam and establishment of an Islamo/Marxist/Dictatorship] we’ve set. We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded [as Hitler's SS].”
March 13, 2010 at 5:42 pm
I do not like green eggs or Obama…
March 13, 2010 at 5:15 pm
FANTABULOUS post guys! Love it…the force IS strong in her…ba-lee dat!
March 13, 2010 at 5:19 pm
SP’s speeches in Orlando and Tulsa were pretty stirring … C4P has reports.
March 13, 2010 at 5:20 pm
Hillbuzz,
From your keyboard to God’s ears. There is a March on DC on the 16th this week, but if we can’t get to it, we can bring a slew of friends and family to the state house with signs objecting to the unconstitutional take over of our health care and our options. Or to our representatives local district offices.
I have already made my sign. It’s on poster board and it says “Slaughter Solution is Unconstitutional”. Not very clever, but true. My friend Vera made one that said “Deem This!” Hahah. Wish I could be as clever.
March 13, 2010 at 5:25 pm
Hi Jerseygram!
if you are going, maybe you can write
Hillbuzz.org on your sign as well.
People need to know the MSM is nothing but an extension of the undemocratic party, and its the Internet that is telling the truth now.
If anyone going to DC, please promote resistance sites like Hillbuzz.
2 of my friends are trying to get off from work to go to DC on the 16th. and Yep, they are Hillary dems, now independents.
But their signs will say:
“Registered as Democrats, But Voted as Americans
NO Socialized HealthCare, NO ObamaCare.
WHAT PART OF NO DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND??”
March 13, 2010 at 5:33 pm
Watch the MSM not even mention this protest…and if they do they’ll plant an SEIU thug in there with some kind of Nazi sign or something ignorant like that. This will be HUGE…make is LOUD so they can’t cover it up.
March 13, 2010 at 5:46 pm
I have a feeling this is going to be QUITE large. I seriously doubt that the MSM is going to be able to ignore this one – it’s on a weekday, and they always have reporters in D.C. on weekdays…
March 13, 2010 at 10:52 pm
It’s amazing what they can cover up by not covering it. There were more than a million people at the protest in DC last year and I don’t know if a single MSM showed it.
March 15, 2010 at 1:57 am
There was one in St. Paul, MN that was bigger than I thought it would be:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhcsoESL8m0
About 4,000 people. Pretty good on short notice!
March 13, 2010 at 5:51 pm
What’s next? Are they going to deem that this list of people were duly elected in the Nov elections and thus we no longer need to have the elections?
March 13, 2010 at 6:19 pm
How frightening and yet how possible.
March 13, 2010 at 6:04 pm
Who is behind the march on the 16th? Is it being publicized much? Anybody know?
March 13, 2010 at 6:22 pm
I think the Tea Party Express is one group – they started out their 4th cross country tour stopping first at Harry Reid’s home town to protest him. And some of the 9/12 people who are also part of the tea party movement. And there’s a group that I can’t remember …Americans for something or another. Ha! Sorry.
I won’t be going to DC, although I’ve been down there before. I will be at my congressman’s office. So far there are 50 of us.
I’d be happy to place hillbuzz.org on my poster.
March 13, 2010 at 6:39 pm
FreedomWorks -
March 13, 2010 at 7:46 pm
This Tuesday there’s a Honk To Say No protest that’s going to be happening in Fargo, ND as cars drive around the blocks surrounding Earl Pomeroy’s office….laying on their horns….for about 2-3 hours.
Scott Hennen is one of the leaders of the resistance in this corner of the country. He’s a really terrific conservative talk show host who a couple of years, pledged his fortune and his sacred honor, along with his wife….put everything they have into building a conservative radio station 1100 AM out of Fargo. He’s one of the driving forces behind any of the Tea Parties in this region, goes anywhere he can, responds to all the invitations to support such activities.
The resistance is on the move. Horns in Fargo…this week.
March 13, 2010 at 9:05 pm
That sounds like great fun! Good luck.
March 13, 2010 at 8:00 pm
Does anyone happen to know whether e.g. Limbaugh has called on his listeners to attend the event?
March 13, 2010 at 5:28 pm
Start donating!!!
NEWS FROM THE HOUSE: LEAGUE ADS ARE WORKINGBy Dick Morris And Eileen McGann 03.13.2010 ***SEE THE TABLE OF PHONE NUMBERS OF SWING VOTE CONGRESSMAN BELOW IN CENTER COLUMN. PLEASE CALL THEM TO STOP OBAMACARE!!! THANK YOU***
In the past few days, nineteen House Democrats who previously voted yes have moved closer to voting no according to the latest Republican whip count. Ten of those nineteen are at the receiving end of League of American Voters ads. So the ads are definitely working! Let’s keep piling on!!!
On his website, Hannity.com, Sean Hannity is publishing a whip count on the House votes on Obamacare. He is drawing on Republican sources in the House and press reports, so it’s not as accurate as Pelosi’s count, but it gives us an idea of what is going on.
The Hannity count shows fourteen House Democrats moving to positions more in favor of the bill and nineteen moving to become more opposed. (I do not include in this count any of Stupak’s pro-life Democrats because I don’t trust them to hold out against the bill and think they will cave in the end).
The following are the House members who voted no last year on Obamacare who are reportedly warming to the bill and might be in danger of switching their votes to yes: (an asterisk * denotes those who have moved even more decisively for the bill):
Adler, NJ
Altmire, Pa*
Baird, Wash*
Boucher, Va.
Gordon, Tenn* (is retiring, so more immune to pressure)
Kosmas, Fla
Kratovil, Md
Kucinich, Ohio
Markey, Col
McMahon, NY
Murphy, NY
Nye, Va
Tanner, Tenn (is retiring, so more immune to pressure)
In addition, Eric Massa of New York, who voted no, has resigned from the House losing an additional vote against the bill.
But their possible defections are more than countered by the following members who voted yes last year who are reportedly moving closer to a vote against the bill. Again, an asterisk means a more decisive move against it:
Arcuri* NY
Dahlkemper* Pa
Connolly* Va
Ellsworth* Ind
Berry*, Ark (retiring)
Cuellar* Texas
Gifford* Ariz
McInerney* Cal
Pomeroy* ND
Carney, Pa
Kanjorski, Pa
Kirkpatrick, Ariz
Mollohan, WV
Rahill, WV
Space, Ohio
Titus, Nevada
In addition, Congressman John Murtha, who voted yes, has died and Louisiana Republican Joseph Cao, who cast the lone GOP vote for the bill now indicates he will vote against it. Congressman Wexler of Florida has resigned and a replacement is not to be chosen until next month, costing the bill another vote.
So, 19 members have moved closer to voting no while 14 have moved closer to voting yes.
Of the nineteen who have moved closer to voting no, ten are the subject of League of American Voters ads: Arcuri, Dahlkemper, Gifford, Pomeroy, Carney, Kanjorski, Kirkpatrick, Mollohan, Rahill, and Space.
But we have an urgent need to advertise in the eleven districts where members who voted no are moving toward a yes vote. Please send us funds right now so we can put ads in their districts on Monday. (The vote will probably come at the end of next week unless they don’t have the votes to pass it).
By the whip count, you can see how close the vote is. We need to keep redoubling our efforts!
To support the League of American Voters in their efforts to stop Obamacare
website: http://www.dickmorris.com/blog/2010/03/13/news-from-the-house-league-ads-are-working/
March 13, 2010 at 6:17 pm
I wonder how accurate the information is. I mean… if it were me in congress I’d be afraid to open my mouth and say what way I’m going. If I say I’m voting “yes” I’ll be blasted by my constituents. If I say I’m voting “no” I’ll be blasted by the dem leadership, and they’ll be trying to dig up anything dirty on me that they can find.
March 14, 2010 at 7:30 am
This article is very accurate. I donated last year on the FIRST round and Morris was winning the fight. He’s a big star on our side. Donate so he can constantly ram this commercial in their districts.
I say we ship them out of the country if they don’t fear us enough.
March 14, 2010 at 7:31 am
Also, the scales are on our side right now. Because primaries are in April.
March 13, 2010 at 6:38 pm
Morris is running the ads anyway. And it will only get worse if they vote for Obamacare. I will give my last dime to defeat these awful people.
Either way, if they are afraid of the ads, it will help them to resist Pelosi’s arm-twisting.
March 13, 2010 at 5:50 pm
Love the Death Star analogy and think you are right on target with this post.
My husband and I were talking last night about how much what is going on in Washington right now reminds us of plots from numerous sci-fi shows such as Doctor Who. There are several plot lines in the Doctor Who series that have aliens taking over as the politicians and basically taking over Earth. I am certainly not saying this is the case, but the similarities are eerie! (Aliens take over the country and start enacting all kinds of laws that the people are against.)
March 13, 2010 at 5:57 pm
This is so true and it just made me laugh because I was thinking of one of my favorite lines in “Raising Arizona” when the media was at the door of that guy who’s son was kidnapped and they asked him it was true if “aliens abducted the baby” and the guy responded with “don’t let his mama hear that…she’ll lose all hope!” So funny.
March 13, 2010 at 5:51 pm
Here are two separate posts – one is an article referencing Mark Levin’s analysis of the end-around the House is trying to do (he’s a Constitutional lawyer), and the other one is the current whip count according to The Hill:
http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2010/03/red-alert-we-are-now-living-under.html
http://thehill.com/homenews/house/85693-whip-watch-the-hills-survey-of-house-dems-positions-on-healthcare
On the first article, I believe there is a link to a site where you can write a letter to your congresscritter, and it will automatically be forwarded to the 58 Blue Dog Democrats’ offices as well!
March 13, 2010 at 9:27 pm
Thanks for the links, Teresa.
I loved the one of Levin. He’s brilliant!
March 13, 2010 at 5:55 pm
I am so mad I could scream!!!!!!!!!
http://www.grassfire.net/r.asp?u=25931&PID=21177516
these a$$holes want legislation that will give amnesty to 10-12 ILLEGALS!!!!!!
we have AMERICANS, over 6 million UNEMPLOYED!!!!!! and now we want to give amnesty to illegals?!?!?!?!?!?!?
WHAT THE HELL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Did you guys know when soldiers were comning home after WWII, FDR deported over 2 million illegals so that there WOULD BE JOBS FOR AMERICANS!!!!!!
Why the hell can’t we have the govt FOR AMERICANS and LEGAL immigrants?!?!?!
and a question for you repubs, seriosuly, what the heck is the matter with Graham?? he wants to give amnesty to illegals???
March 13, 2010 at 5:58 pm
MANY Republicans do not even consider Graham to be one of them. As the Hillbuzz guys say “he done lost his mind!”
March 13, 2010 at 5:59 pm
We don’t acknowledge Graham as “one of us” – I’m hoping they will find some Massa-level dirt on him…
March 13, 2010 at 6:11 pm
He’s not a Rino he’s a Hellifino.
March 14, 2010 at 10:52 am
“Hellifino”… Ha, Ha, I love it. That’s good!
March 13, 2010 at 6:39 pm
Just call him Grahamnesty, so we always remember what he stands for.
March 13, 2010 at 6:44 pm
Most Republicans fear speaking out against illegal aliens because the Democrats have created such a strong “RACIST” playbook.
Pelosi herself generally refers to illegal aliens as “undocumented workers”.
Republicans are basically afraid of alienating a huge voter block by going after illegal immigration.
Republicans also look at the practicality of deporting 10-12 million illegals and consider it virtually impossible. McCain was just as bad on this particular topic.
The bottom line is that immigration reform, and blocking amnesty, will HAVE to come from the people, and it will have to be so strong and loud that it drowns out any other voices.
Otherwise, we’ll have amnesty eventually.
March 13, 2010 at 9:01 pm
Look up Operation Wetback. If Eisenhower could do it in the ’50s it could be done now.
March 14, 2010 at 8:59 am
I’m not saying it can’t be done. I’m saying a lot of Republicans THINK it can’t be done.
March 13, 2010 at 7:48 pm
Graham’s a weasel. Like John Edwards is a weasel for the Deemocrats.
March 13, 2010 at 5:57 pm
Via Riehl World View, here’s a video of Michele Bachmann calling on people to show up in D.C. next week:
March 13, 2010 at 8:06 pm
She is amazing. I love her committment, her dedication, and her style. She’s like a dog with a bone. She will not give in, nor will she give up.
She’s being targeted by Pelosi with a ton of funds to defeat her. We must find a way to support her. She hasn’t even asked for help!!
March 13, 2010 at 9:26 pm
Awesome vid of Michelle. Thanks for posting AmEx!
March 13, 2010 at 5:57 pm
If you guys ever come South, y’all can stay with me….. as long as Panda comes along to tell his stories :)
March 13, 2010 at 5:59 pm
Me too! I’ll even get you into Disney! Panda would LOVE it!
March 13, 2010 at 10:52 pm
some of us MIGHT be in Disney for Gay Days, June 3-7. We’ll let you know if we go. Working on getting a writing assignment to cover Gay Days. Cross your fingers for us.
March 14, 2010 at 1:19 am
G8rMom7…hey my daughter and fam live in Winter Park, FL … would love to have coffee next time I visit! We can trash O and Meeeeechelle!
March 14, 2010 at 1:21 am
And if any of the Hillbuzz crew ARE @ Disney in June let us know…maybe a bunch of us “Buzzers” can get together and meet in person!
March 13, 2010 at 5:57 pm
A couple more articles – one concerns the current whip count, and the other is a call to action from Dan Riehl regarding Tuesday’s March on Washington. If I didn’t live so far away (and have kids home on Spring Break), I would be up there, carrying a sign and giving ‘em hell. As it is, I’ve written congresscritters, and forwarded as many articles as I can….
My favorite quote from Dan’s article: “Show up and be heard, or be herded.”
http://hotair.com/greenroom/archives/2010/03/13/the-hills-whip-count-on-obamacare-as-of-today/
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2010/03/march-16th-if-you-prick-them-they-will-bleed.html
March 13, 2010 at 6:02 pm
Here’s the letter I sent to the Blue Dogs:
It is with a heavy heart that I must inform you of a sad passing. The Republic that our forefathers fought and died to bring into existence is on the verge of being killed by the very descendants of those fine men.
Members of the House of Representatives – who are currently not “representing” their constituents – are at this moment considering doing a run-around on the very Constitution that was brought into being by the blood of American patriots.
The country that I grew up in is no more, if something like this abomination can even be considered. Have you no shame? Do you not realize that ours is the ONE country to which the rest of the world looks for a shining example of what freedom truly is? Do you understand that people will spend every last bit of their life’s savings, sell everything that they own, and take a leap of faith to come to this country, just for the CHANCE to live in this amazing Republic?
And members of Congress are willing to step on all of that, simply to satisfy the ego of someone who isn’t fit to occupy the Office that he was elected to fill. Anyone who cares so LITTLE for the law of this great land doesn’t deserve to be its leader. Someone like that is beneath contempt.
Will you be able to look yourself in the mirror if bill is passed? Will you be able to tell your children with pride, “Yes, I was one of the people who voted to rip the Constitution to shreds”? Will you be the one to have to tell your grandchildren what a great country America USED to be? Are the 30 pieces of silver that you are being offered worth the price of the soul of this country? If you answer “Yes” to any of these questions, may God have mercy on your soul.
If you think that you will be welcome in your home district after this vote, you need to ask Senator Ben Nelson what awaits you. If you approve of the route that Ms. Pelosi and Ms. Slaughter are proposing to get around the long-standing rules, you may find that you aren’t welcome ANYWHERE in this country.
Please think long and hard before you allow the leaders of the House to go down this road. Think about the people who took a chance on starting a new country. Think about the men who wrote the Constitution. Think about the patriots throughout the years who have shed blood – in many cases giving their last breath – for that very document and all that it represents.
Is what you are being promised worth it?
Teresa Koch
March 13, 2010 at 7:18 pm
That was beautiful, Teresa! Great work!
March 13, 2010 at 7:33 pm
Strong stern stuff, Teresa!
March 13, 2010 at 8:34 pm
good job teresa!!
very good letter!
I think you should send it to your “Letters to the Editor” for your local newspaper
March 13, 2010 at 11:51 pm
I live in a solidly Republican district in a state with 2 Republican Senators. I’d be preaching to the choir….
March 13, 2010 at 11:53 pm
However, please feel free to use any or all parts of it to send to your representatives and/or newspapers!
March 13, 2010 at 10:38 pm
Excellent letter!
March 13, 2010 at 6:07 pm
Sen. Hottie McAwesome being…..awesome!
March 13, 2010 at 6:17 pm
HillBuzz,
If you want to take down the corruption in Washington, you need to take up the eligibility issue…
Article II, Section 1, Clause 5: No person except a natural-born citizen …shall be eligible to the office of President.
The issue of whether or not Obama is “eligible to the office of President” depends upon whether or not he is an Article II “natural born citizen” of the United States.
The phrase “natural born citizen” “must be interpreted in the light of the common law, the principles and history of which were familiarly known to the framers of the Constitution”.
United States v. Wong Kim Ark., 18 S. Ct. 456, 169 U.S. 649 (U.S. 03/28/1898)
[1] SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES
[16] The Constitution nowhere defines the meaning of these words ["citizen of the United States," and "natural-born citizen of the United States"], either by way of inclusion or of exclusion, except in so far as this is done by the affirmative declaration that “all persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States.” In this, as in other respects, it [The Constitution] must be interpreted in the light of the common law, the principles and history of which were familiarly known to the framers of the Constitution. Minor v. Happersett, 21 Wall. 162 [At common law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. 21 Wall. 162 (1874]; Ex parte Wilson, 114 U.S. 417, 422; Boyd v. United States, 116 U.S. 616, 624, 625; Smith v. Alabama, 124 U.S. 465. The language of the Constitution, as has been well said, could not be understood without reference to the common law. 1 Kent Com. 336; Bradley, J., in Moore v. United States, 91 U.S. 270, 274.
The “common law, the principles and history of which were familiarly known to the framers of the Constitution” was plainly expressed by the Supreme Court of the United States in the dissenting opinion of Scott v. Sandford, which quoted Vattel, and explicitly stated, “The natives or natural-born citizens are those born in the country of parents who are citizens…”
Scott v. Sandford, 60 U.S. 393 (U.S. 01/02/1856)
[1] UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT
[418] …The natives or natural-born citizens are those born in the country of parents who are citizens…
Furthermore, the Supreme Court of the United States in 1814 relied upon Vattel’s “Law of Nations” as the authority on citizenship issues, and stated in The Venus, “The natives, or indigenes [natural-born citizens], are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens.”
The Venus, 12 U.S. (8 Cranch) 253, 1814
“Vattel, …is more explicit and more satisfactory on it [CITIZENSHIP ISSUES] than any other whose work has fallen into my hands, [Vattel] says, ‘…The natives, or indigenes [natural-born citizens], are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens.’ ”
Vattel’s Law of Nations: § 212. Citizens and natives
…The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens.
Finally, the Supreme Court of the United States, in Minor v. Happersett, confirmed the definition of a “natural born citizen” as “children born in a country of parents who were its citizens”.
Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. 21 Wall. 162 (1874)
“ ‘No person except a natural-born citizen …shall be eligible to the office of President’… The Constitution does not in words say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners.”
Simply put, Article II “natural born citizens” are those citizens who are “born in the country, of parents who are citizens.”
Hence, Obama is not an Article II “natural born citizen” of the United States, even if he was born in Hawaii, as his father was a “foreigner”…
To reiterate, Obama’s father was not a citizen of the United States.
Therefore, Obama is not an Article II “natural born citizen” of the United States.
Thus, Obama is not “eligible to the office of President”.
March 13, 2010 at 6:27 pm
Article VI: The Senators and Representatives …shall be bound by oath or affirmation, to support [DEFEND] this Constitution.
March 13, 2010 at 6:55 pm
It’s a weak argument. According to the State of Hawaii, he’s an American citizen. That’s the bottom line.
Like a lot of folks, I don’t understand why Obama won’t produce his ORIGINAL long form birth certificate (maybe he can’t find it), and I don’t know why his legal team tries to stymie the lawsuits on procedural grounds rather than just producing the damn thing or telling us why he can’t.
However, legally speaking, the State of Hawaii still says he’s a citizen. Thus, that is the case, until something out there proves otherwise.
I’m not holding my breath.
Even if it were true, it’s still only a technicality. It’s not like he was somehow smuggled into the country when he was 25 as a spy and created an extensive history of himself KGB style, right?
For all intents and purposes, he’s an American citizen.
So, in my humble opinion, wasting time being a “birther” only diminished our cause. The real factor here is, the guy was elected with a huge majority. We have bigger problems than whether or not the law in 1961 made him an American citizen based on his parents’ citizenship statuses. Obama is just one guy… but his ideologies are not new, not unique to him, and will not disappear when he leaves office.
We need to focus on ideology. We need to destroy progressivism once and for all, or it will be back sometime later on, with someone other than Obama pushing for it.
March 13, 2010 at 7:52 pm
Eric,
Do you believe the Constitution is weak?
A citizen of the United States under the 14th Amendement is not synonymous with an Article II natural born citizen.
Furthermore, the issue isn’t whether the State of Hawaii says Obama is a citizen of the United States, the issue whether he is an Article II natural born citizen of the United States.
Benaiah
March 14, 2010 at 8:45 am
The point is, the State of Hawaii says he’s a natural born citizen.
Of course I am aware of the distinction between “natural born” and “American” citizens.
It was a Monday in late July of 2009 when Hawaiian officials announced they had “checked and confirmed” that Obama was born IN Hawaii and is a “natural born citizen”.
You can Google this no problem.
Some people don’t want to believe this is true. Maybe it’s NOT true. But LEGALLY speaking, the State of Hawaii is the authority and they have confirmed his natural-born citizenship.
Case closed, like it or not.
March 14, 2010 at 10:57 am
If the MSM had vetted him as a candidate & he had been required to produce his birth certificate, we wouldn’t be in the situation we are now. We wouldn’t have a Muslim, Kenyan/Indonesian marxist radical overseeing the destruction of our nation. THAT IS WHY IT IS IMPORTANT!!!
Case still open….
March 14, 2010 at 11:41 am
Eric,
By what authority can that State of Hawaii declare Obama an Article II NBC?
Besides, Dr. Fukino didn’t declare Obama an Article II NBC, she declared that “Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen”…
Do you realize that the term “natural-born American citizen” is not found in Article II?
The term “natural-born American citizen” has no meaning under the Constitution.
Basically, what Dr. Fukino declared was that Obama wasn’t born by C-section…
Benaiah
March 14, 2010 at 5:23 pm
Obviously the Constitution wouldn’t say “natural born American citizen” since it’s the Constitution of the United States of America. The “America” is implied.
The wording used by the Hawaiian officials is irrelevant. You make it sound like she stuck “American” in there on purpose to cover her butt later on if the truth was discovered.
Awfully conspiratorial.
McCain wasn’t born in the states. Nobody ever used the term “Article II Natural Born Citizen” talking about his eligibility.
My interpretation of Article II of the Constitution is such that anyone becoming President must be a Citizen of the United States from birth. The geographical location of the birth is undoubtedly irrelevant; what matters is whether or not citizenship was conferred upon birth.
Essentially, this is your argument as well. You are saying, if I understand correctly, that even though Obama was born in Hawaii, he wasn’t subject to the jurisdiction of the U.S. because of his father.
Fine, that’s a perfectly reasonable argument. I’m not discounting the plausibility of that scenario. However, you do not wish to accept the official account of the State of Hawaii that Obama is indeed a “natural born” citizen. If she had called him an “American citizen”, you would undoubtedly be blasting her non-use of the term “natural”. Since she DID use the term “natural”, you are blasting her authority to judge his “natural-ness” under Article II of the Constitution.
There is clearly much opinion on what Constitutionally defines a natural born citizen. Article II doesn’t declare it. Thus, as per the Bill of Rights, the States would automatically have the power to decide what qualifies an individual as “natural born” within their state.
The 14th Amendment states that people must be born IN the U.S. AND requires they be subject to the jurisdiction thereof. The 14th Amendment was intended to declare and protect citizenship for former slaves.
Clearly there was a worry at the time that foreigners who were not citizens could have children and they would be given citizenship. Hence, the clause that they must be subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.
Of course, that last part has been completely ignored as of late, as any child born on U.S. soil is granted citizenship regardless of citizenship of EITHER parent.
So, prima facie, your argument appears to have some merit. If there were some kind of scenario by which Obama was NOT subject to the jurisdiction of the U.S. upon time of his birth, then perhaps he wouldn’t be a citizen.
So therein lies the rub. Your claim is that because Barack’s father was not a citizen, he was not a citizen. But he obviously had TWO parents. And his mother was undeniably a citizen of the United States.
I have yet to see a valid argument explaining why her citizenship does not extend to Obama. The only one I’ve seen that comes close is that his mother must have been a resident of the U.S. for 10 years, and 5 of that after the age of 16, in order to confer her citizenship to Barack. However, according to what I’ve found on that issue, that provision only applies to children born to young mothers OUTSIDE United States territory. Therefore, since Obama was born in Hawaii, his mother’s age or term of residency in the U.S. was of no consequence. Her citizenship automatically passed on to him at his time of birth.
Again, you may agree, you may think there is a cover up, that’s fine. Maybe there is. I wouldn’t put it past this particular administration. But LEGALLY SPEAKING, for all intents and purposes, the case is closed.
March 13, 2010 at 7:58 pm
Why the “Natural Born Citizen” Clause of Our Constitution Is Important and Worth Preserving
http://puzo1.blogspot.com/2009/08/why-natural-born-citizen-clause-is.html
It was the fear of foreign influence invading the Office of Commander in Chief of the military that prompted John Jay, our first U.S. Supreme Court Chief Justice, to write to George Washington the following letter dated July 25, 1787: “Permit me to hint, whether it would be wise and seasonable to provide a strong check to the admission of Foreigners into the administration of our national Government; and to declare expressly that the Commander in Chief of the American army shall not be given to nor devolve on, any but a natural born Citizen (underlying “born” in the original). Jay’s recommendation did make it into the Constitution. Article II, Sec. 1, cl. 5 of the Constitution provides in pertinent part: “No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President. . .” In this clause and in Articles I, III, and IV, the Founding Fathers distinguished between “Citizen” and “natural born Citizen.” Per the Founders, while Senators and Representatives can be just “citizens,” the President must be a “natural born Citizen.” Through this clause, the Founders sought to guarantee that the ideals for which they fought would be faithfully preserved for future generations of Americans. The Founders wanted to assure that the Office of President and Commander in Chief of the Military, a non-collegial and unique and powerful civil and military position, was free of all foreign influence and that its holder has sole and absolute allegiance, loyalty, and attachment to the U.S. The “natural born Citizen” clause was the best way for them to assure this.
That the “natural born Citizen” clause is based on undivided allegiance and loyalty can be seen from how the Founders distinguished between “citizen” and “natural born Citizen.” This distinction is based on the law of nations which became part of our national common law. According to that law as explained by E. Vattel in, _The Law of Nations_ (1758), Vol.1, Section 212, Des Citoyens et Naturels, a “citizen” is a member of the civil society. To become a “citizen” is to enter into society as a member thereof. On the other hand, Vattel wrote that a native or indigenes (written in French as /les naturels/ or /indigenes/) or “natural born Citizen” as the term later became translated from French into English, is a child born in the country of two citizen parents who have already entered into and become members of the society. Vattel also tells us that it is the “natural born Citizen” who will best preserve and perpetuate the society. This definition of the two distinct terms has been adopted by many United States Supreme Court decisions. (The Venus, 12 U.S. 253 (1814) and Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. 162 (1874) to cite just two.) With the presidential qualification question never being involved, neither the 14th Amendment (which covers only “citizens” who are permitted to gain membership in and enter American society by either birth on U.S. soil or by naturalization and being subject to the jurisdiction of the United States), nor Congressional Acts (8 U.S.C. Sec. 1401), nor any case law (e.g. U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898)) has ever changed the original common law definition of a “natural born Citizen.” This amendment and laws have all dealt with the sole question of whether a particular person was going to be allowed to enter into and be a member of American society and thereby be declared a “citizen.” The 14th Amendment did not involve Article II, let alone define what a “natural born Citizen” is. Never having been changed, the original constitutional meaning of a “natural born Citizen” prevails today. We can also see from these definitions that a “citizen” could have more than one allegiance and loyalty (acquiring allegiance from one’s foreign parents or from foreign soil) but a “natural born Citizen” can have only one and that is to America (soil and parents are all united in one nation).
The original definition of “natural born Citizen” gives our Constitutional Republic the best chance of having a President and Commander in Chief of the Military who has sole and absolute allegiance, loyalty, and attachment to the United States. By satisfying all conditions of this definition, all other avenues of acquiring other foreign citizenships and allegiances (jus soli or by the soil and jus sanguinis or by descent) are cut off. Having all other means of acquiring other foreign citizenships or allegiances cut off is unity of citizenship which is what the President must have at the time of birth. Additionally, by requiring the child’s parents to be U.S. citizens best assures that those parents most likely will have absorbed American customs and values which, in turn, they will transmit to their child.
The “natural born Citizen” clause serves a critical purpose today and must be enforced in every Presidential election. The President has immense power, both civil and military. The clause assures the American people that their President does not have any conflicting allegiances or loyalties. In our nuclear world, it will avoid having a President who may hesitate to act quickly and decisively in a moment of crisis due to some internal psychological conflict of allegiance or loyalty. It will avoid any foreign nation expecting and pressuring the President to act in their best interest instead of that of America. The clause gives the American people the best chance that they will not be attacked from within through the Office of President. Knowing the President is a “natural born Citizen,” the American people will trust their President with their lives. Finally, such a President can expect that the military will give him or her full trust and obedience.
When President Obama was born in 1961, under the British Nationality Act of 1948, both his father and he were British subjects/citizens. In 1963, they both became Kenyan citizens. In fact, Mr. Obama’s father was never even a legal resident or immigrant of America. Hence, regardless of where Mr. Obama was born or that he may be a United States citizen under the 14th Amendment, he is not an Article II “natural born Citizen” and not eligible to be President. This ineligibility has absolutely nothing to do with his race or class but all to do with his being born with multiple citizenships and allegiances and not satisfying the strict eligibility requirements of Article II. If someone believes that today the “natural born Citizen” clause no longer serves any useful purpose, then the proper way to change or abandon it is by way of constitutional amendment under Article V of the Constitution, not by usurpation.
March 13, 2010 at 10:05 pm
Eric,
being an American citizen does not mean he is a natural born citizen.
The Constitution says parents must be born in the USA. Unless Obama Sr is not his father then he is not a natural born citizen.
March 14, 2010 at 8:57 am
Roger to your first, see my above reply.
To your second, I am not familiar with the laws that would have applied both to the United States as a whole and to the state of Hawaii in particular at the time he was born. I have hear the arguments before that since his father was not a citizen and his mother was not of “legal age” then her citizenship didn’t transfer to Barack upon birth.
I’m not a legal scholar and can’t speak to that. What I CAN speak to is that the State of Hawaii announced in July of ’09 that they had verified Obama was a “natural born American citizen”.
A lot of people aren’t satisfied with that, but I do believe that, legally speaking, they are the authority on his status since they have the records.
Furthermore, knowing the legal system as I do, I can say that EVEN IF he wasn’t a natural born citizen, the lawsuit process would take so long that Obama will surely be voted out of office before we ever know the truth.
In the mean time, attempts to brand Obama as an illegitimate President in an open forum are generally counter-productive. The “birther” theory doesn’t win hearts or minds, so it doesn’t solve the problem at hand.
Folks are entitled to believe whatever they want. Folks can donate to whatever cause they want. If that happens to be lawsuits to try to prove Obama isn’t a natural born citizen, then more power to you. But, in my humble opinion, furthering that strategy on sites like this will only give your opponents reasons to brand you a nut and ignore you completely.
Conspiracy theories are fun (I love them), but they are rarely productive. We are in a battle for the very SOUL of this country. We need to engage on every day issues like jobs, health care, terrorism/national security, the deficit, etc.
March 15, 2010 at 2:27 am
What I believe could be even more damning if someone could go after it is, WHAT IS OBAMA’S REAL LEGAL NAME?
He was adopted in Indonesia when he was 6 years old. His legal name was Barry Soetoro. No one can find record of any legal name change to or back to (we don’t really know which the case is)Barack Hussein Obama.
Can you imagine if his real legal name is Barry Soetoro? Anything he signs as Barack Hussein Obama should be numm and void, no?
I just want him to prove that he is legally the person he claims to be.
I think if wanted to, I could call myself little Mary sunshine all day long and sign all kinds of crap. I’m not sure that would be legal though!
March 15, 2010 at 2:28 am
oops null! LOL!
March 13, 2010 at 6:17 pm
Has anyone heard anything specific about how the Republicans will move forward if the House enacts the Slaughter Solution?
I know that Michelle Bachman has said that she would do the suit herself if necessary. Mark Levin has said he will definitely be a part of a suit. I’m just wondering if there are any specifics that people have read or heard.
My questions:
Can they take the suit directly to the SCOTUS?
Can they petition that the bill not be signed until the case is heard and decided? (And can the Constitutional rule that an unsigned, unreturned bill become law automatically after 10 days be set aside?)
I think that if the bill is signed into law before the case is decided that the SCOTUS will be reluctant to strike the law – but that’s just my opinion, maybe not. In any case, I would hope the bill would be shelved until the SCOTUS reach their decision.
I am hoping/praying that Republicans on the Hill are planning concrete action to be taken immediately upon the passing of the Slaughter Solution.
Is it too much to hope that every Democrat that votes for this rule be immediately arrested for sedition?
From Wikipedia “Sedition often includes subversion of a constitution and incitement of discontent (or resistance) to lawful authority.”
What are they doing if this is not a direct subversion of the Constitution?
March 13, 2010 at 6:44 pm
BamBam is going to rue the day that he dissed the Supremes at the SOTU, and the Dems who stood up to applaud him as well. SCOTUS will take this up immediately, if it gets that far.
Now, I don’t know for sure, but it is possible that if Slaughter wants to “change” the rules while the House is in session, the motion has to carry by a 2/3 majority. If that is the case, I seriously doubt that will be able to happen.
I could be wrong about that, however, so don’t quote me on that….
March 13, 2010 at 7:03 pm
Good luck on the sedition charge. It hasn’t been seriously considered in a really long time. Considering we have American-born members of terrorist networks actively plotting against U.S. interests, and bald-headed American communists on video calling for the destruction of the United States of America, who AREN’T being charged with sedition, I doubt the Democrats qualify.
I have been saying since Scott Brown got elected that Democrats would try to use reconciliation to push health care through. I was told it would never happen by a few folks on this very site.
This was already a backup plan before the MA election even happened. Hillbuzz has been telling us for a long time how the Democrats are good at planning; grooming candidates, laying groundwork years in advance, etc. Using reconciliation fits the profile.
I also believe that the Democrat KNOW, EXPECT, and even WANT the mandate portion of the bill to be struck down in the SCOTUS.
The mandate is the only thing that makes the bill work. Without it, costs are GUARANTEED to rise. Abuse is GUARANTEED to skyrocket.
Once the SCOUTS deems the mandate unconstitutional, the government will have “no choice” but to step in and, at the very least, provide a public option or, more likely, take over health care entirely.
They won’t “want” to, but the Supreme Court will FORCE them to by getting rid of the mandate.
The Democrats are playing a little 11th dimension chess of their own.
March 13, 2010 at 8:04 pm
Well, that sort of gambit is pretty transparent — much more so than this oh so “transparent” administration’s inner workings — and the strongest ‘Pubs would have no difficulty making it clear that the mess was the government’s own doing.
March 13, 2010 at 7:50 pm
If they do this, the House becomes “the slaughterHouse” …because it is being equipped to deliver death to our nation.
March 13, 2010 at 8:07 pm
The bill can’t be litigated until Obama signs it into law. Mark Levin and another Constitutional expert whose name is Fergusen (can’t remember his first name) agree that we the people are not obligated to follow this illegal “law.” Any law passed only by one house is nullied.
March 13, 2010 at 9:41 pm
Devon, here is a link (provided by teresainfortworth above) on Levin and his colleague Arthur Fergenson.
They are both brilliant constitutional lawyers and you are correct. They said that the courts couldn’t force the people to obey something that wasn’t a ‘law’.
Fergenson said that if they cook up something for the POTUS to sign, it would be a ‘measure’, not a ‘law’.
The Constitution is very clear on this issue.
http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2010/03/red-alert-we-are-now-living-under.html
March 13, 2010 at 6:35 pm
Guys, I adore your fighting spirit but I confess living on the edge of the next vote has really taken it out of me.
It is absurd to live this way – always one step removed from a catastrophe.
It is outrageous that Americans are being barraged 24/7 by one apocolyptic threat after another.
I do not beleive this will change until Squat is forced out of office.
I think the “don’t let a good crisis go to waste” meme is the Bot bible.
They’re running Washington like it’s a football game and they’re trying to get to the next yardline.
They are torturing us and are determined to get their way either by law or by writing new laws.
I do not trust this. And I am weary.
I’d love to believe that Americans will rise up like Princess Leia in Star Wars but I confess I’m not sure it will happen.
Squat and the Bots have laid siege to the entire nation over the past year and we are starving and weakened.
I am not an eyeore and I detest the terrible trio – pelosi-reid and Squat – but what they’re doing is so far beyond the constitution and there’s so little lasting pushback against it that I swear it feels like an endless shell game with token offerings being thrown to the masses every so often just to keep them distracted and happy – like a Scott Brown victory, or Squat delaying his vacation for a couple of days.
My question is not how are they getting away with it but how did they get this far to begin with?
r
March 13, 2010 at 6:40 pm
I call it the Obama Daily Outrage.
March 13, 2010 at 6:48 pm
Courage, fellow fighter! Remember, smooth seas don’t make skilled sailors. Every once in a while, we have to be woken from our complacency to defend this great nation. We will get through this, and come out stronger for it. Our republic WILL survive – with so many on our side, and God watching over us, we will triumph over these circumstances.
I actually feel good about our country, despite all that is going on right now. Look at how many people are active in politics right now who never were before. Say what you will about Obama (and I’ve said plenty that can’t be repeated in polite company); he has certainly united this country….
March 13, 2010 at 8:07 pm
Yes, it’s not exactly the “two America’s” we’re seeing now — much more the one America, and that redoubt of the political class, Washington D.C. and its satellites …
March 13, 2010 at 7:11 pm
Unfortunately, Democrats have been laying the groundwork for this day for decades.
Honestly, it starts with how Democrats (more like progressives) generally control the school systems.
Children aren’t taught the real lessons of history. I went through public school. History was my least favorite subject, and I even had a pretty entertaining teacher. As a adult, I find history fascinating. The difference is that now I’m teaching myself the LESSONS of history, instead of the rote memorization of dates and places.
The Founding Fathers created the Constitution based on centuries of collected knowledge and lifetimes of study, practical experience, and meticulous philosophical thought. They learned the lessons of history. Today, almost nobody learns the lessons of history.
As such, a large portion of us have inexplicably come to “trust government”, even though we generally distrust politicians. History should have taught us what can happen when we don’t take our responsibilities as voting citizens seriously enough, but it hasn’t.
And I think that’s willful.
You always see stories on the news about the content of textbooks, blah blah blah.
Progressives have succeeded in controlling the language that is used in our childrens’ history books. And as you know, whoever controls the language, controls the debate.
I could go on for hours and hours (or pages and pages) all about the hows and whys and what can we do about it. But there’s just too much to talk about in one little blog reply.
I will say this: the answer to our problems is a very strong voucher school program. Put the power of education back into the hands of the parents, instead of with the state. In a few generations, we’ll be on top of the world in all categories.
March 13, 2010 at 7:41 pm
You are right.
I was a music teacher (translation – juvenile delinquent officer) for 20 years in really really bad public schools – think South Bronx.
I finally refused to work with anyone taller than me so I was shipped out to the elementary schools where as the years passed the kids got taller faster and by third and fourth grade WERE as tall as me.
I digress.
My point is that the sheer BS that went on was mind numbing. Entire months were devoted to one ethnic group or another (never whites).
We had hispanic heritage month, Black history month, Martin Luther King month, El aid fahid or something like that muslim month.
It was friggin obscene!
American history, real American history, was barely mentioned and white European history was demonized.
D@mn am I glad to be out of there.
March 14, 2010 at 1:02 am
Is this the basil from hillaryis44?
Don’t fret. Conservatives in the state of Texas were able to push through a curriculum that is much fairer to white America, and therefore much less politically correct. Please read this link…
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/13/education/13texas.html
March 13, 2010 at 7:45 pm
Luckily, in Texas this week conservatives have had great success in beating back the progressive history re-writing going on. The Dems are outnumbered and can’t “liberalize” our history books. Thank God.
March 13, 2010 at 8:43 pm
We all feel your frustration, basil. Every day there is a new assault on the citizenry. He and “they” insult us every damn day. They are the mean girls. The ones who know what buttons to push. The ones who wear you down. The ones who think they are better than you and that you are there just for them to toy with. There are days I think I can’t assimilate another newscast or read another article about him and them. There are days I don’t, because I need a sanity break. I trust others will pick up my flag and run with it until I am rested. Take a day or two off if you have to; the fight will be here when you get back and the fight in you will come back stronger.
He has told the congress that if they don’t pass this bill, his presidency and their careers are over. He doesn’t give a whit about their careers. He’s on a power trip the likes of which we have never seen in this country. And while we have a disadvantage because the progressive leftists use racism against us, and because we disagree with a Black president, ergo we are all racists, we should not be intimidated by that. Our country and our freedoms come first. And I keep thinking of the advice that Sister Agnes would give us 2nd graders: “Sticks and stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me.” Yes, it’s a childhood ditty; a cliche, but it’s rock solid truth and we have to ignore the tactic.
We must tell them, and him through them with our votes in November, that he was right about his presidency being over whether or not his “signature bill” passes. The country gave him a sparkly new chance and he broke it. Now he owns it.
March 13, 2010 at 9:54 pm
Basil, buck up, buddy!
Just reading the comments to your original post should give you encouragement.
You said, ‘…there’s so little lasting pushback’.
Maybe it seems that way, but if you read the comments on many of the articles circulating these days, the people are madder than hell and ready to take serious action.
Just tonight I’ve read about people getting ready to ‘take it to the streets’.
On certain blogs, there’s a lot of talk about the 2nd Amendment (if you get their drift). There’s going to be ‘pushback’ aplenty.
March 13, 2010 at 6:43 pm
The protest this week in Washington will be tremendous.
Imagine…seriously IMAGINE…if Hillary were to resign as Secretary of State and take a stand against this process? She wouldn’t have to stand up against healthcare reform. She would just have to take a stand against the illegal process that the leaders are forcing right now.
I do believe we will see this president impeached.
March 13, 2010 at 6:49 pm
If this bill doesn’t pass, Obama just might decide to stay in Indonesia after his “trip” is over…
March 13, 2010 at 8:09 pm
Maybe we can find some atoll for him to spend the rest of his days on — a would-be Napoleon.
March 13, 2010 at 10:13 pm
I just wish that he would cut Australia out of his trip…!!!!
I do not want that bum coming here.
March 13, 2010 at 6:50 pm
Much as I’d love to agree with you there’s no way anyone has the balls to impeach the first black prez.
And he knows it.
March 13, 2010 at 6:53 pm
Yep,
THAT is why he was put in place of Hillary…
He’s attack proof. Unlike the average guy or woman, he can get a way with FAR more and everyone is afraid to speak.
March 13, 2010 at 7:14 pm
On top of that, he’d be the 2nd Dem in a row impeached. Not going to happen. And if it did, there would be an attempt to impeach every single future president, for political payback if no other reason. We just need to neutralize Obama until we can vote him out.
As much as we all absolutely hate what is happening to our country, in the day to day agony it is sometimes hard to see that our democracy is working. If this horrible deathcare bill passes, we have to hope and pray that our Supremes restore sanity.
I think the “Slaughter solution” is a step way too far. I’ll be suprised if we don’t see prominent Dems coming out against it this week.
March 13, 2010 at 7:50 pm
I guarantee you if the Slaughter rule is used there will be sucking sound of people running to the courts to rule this illegal…and I guarantee you martial law with be enacted. This is Hugo Chavez stuff. This is a direct violation of the constitution regarding law. There would be total anarchy.
Remember Obama signed an executive order for martial law in January.
March 13, 2010 at 10:14 pm
Since the man is half white and impeachment has nothing to do with skin colour, I would hope that the men in Congress in the future will have the balls to impeach this impostor.
March 13, 2010 at 7:54 pm
…impeached?….You think Pelosi is going to allow that? You think the Senate will convict him?
Bill Clinton was impeached. Didn’t mean a thing.
Let’s stop encouraging a mindset that says “impeachment will solve this”.
Not only is there absolutely NO HOPE of impeachment for at least a year, impeachment in and of itself is completely useless without conviction and removal.
Do I have to say I’m not an eeyore?…I’m just begging that we be honest about what the solutions are here. Half a solution is not a solution.
I haven’t heard a single person in the House of Representatives indicate they have even thought of impeachment. So how, exactly, are you constructing this “impeachment”? Ain’t happening. I think that’s as much a waste of time right now as birtherism. Priorities.
March 13, 2010 at 8:02 pm
I said nothing about forming a group to push for impeachment my friend. Good grief…
It won’t be a question of “are we..” if the constitution is deemed null and void…which is what would happen if the Slaughter rule is enacted…there will be so many people clammering to remove this president and his party from power our heads will spin.
I don’t think you understand what the Slaughter rule would mean…perhaps you should find out. It means…total …T.O.T.A.L. breakdown of LAW in this country. The constitution would CEASE TO BE…please…understand this. I don’t have to be forming a group or wasting my time as you say…The DNC would be absolutely destroyed if they try this tactic.
March 13, 2010 at 8:29 pm
I understand exactly… why I react so strongly to the impeachment word..I guess I’ve seen on two many “conservative sights” the I-word being thrown around as though “we’re really brave to even say it”, as though that solves anything. I absolutely agree with what you are saying…immediacy, action, pushback, has GOT to happen. I apologize for my misdirected rant. I guess I’m not as confident as you are that the passage of the slaughterHouse rule would bring people out in favor of impeachment who are actually in a position to do anything about it. 24 months ago, I would have sworn that most of what has happened in the last months wouldn’t have been tolerated. So now I have a serious question: DO you really think that there will be a massive outcry for impeachment if slaughterHouse rules are passed??
March 13, 2010 at 8:31 pm
I meant “conservative sites” of course. Good grief.
March 13, 2010 at 11:13 pm
As bad as things are right now, Barry is still in the 47% approval rating. Considering the horror that is taken place, he should be around 27%. Some people will never see him the way we do, but we need to get more people involved. Get the gonads to speak out against him with people. I know some who voted for him and I’ve never been afraid to say what I feel. Finally some are admitting the mistake. It sounds trivial, but low poll numbers mean a lot. They can make the difference. They can make him a lame duck, now, today. Speak out, the American people can destroy his agenda. Impeachment isn’t necessary when enough of the people aren’t on his side
March 13, 2010 at 10:15 pm
Bill Clinton committed perjury. He was impeached because he lied, not because of what he did.
March 13, 2010 at 6:54 pm
I think it’s time to put up the school house rock video about how laws are enacted and what the Constitution means. Some of these people in DC need to sit there ala Clockwork Orange 24/7 and see it over and over again.
IMHO treason and sedition are going on in DC everyday now.
March 13, 2010 at 7:58 pm
I love the Boston Tea Party video…it makes me cry.
March 13, 2010 at 7:24 pm
Fight! Fight to your last breath.
March 13, 2010 at 7:30 pm
well well well
I just heard on Fox News, now the transportation secretary is saying his fellow repubs need to pass RationCare.
WTF??!?!?
why the hell is Ray La Hood getting involved in pushing for that piece of chit RationCare bill??
March 13, 2010 at 7:56 pm
He’s been threatened, blackmailed or bought off. Isn’t that why all the others are supporting it?
March 13, 2010 at 10:57 pm
LaHood has strong organized crime ties.
There’s probably a lot he could be blackmailed with.
March 13, 2010 at 11:21 pm
Refer to him as
RAY THE HOOD
March 13, 2010 at 8:11 pm
ATTENTION!! – THEY NOW! HAVE 51 VOTES FOR A PUBLIC OPTION. DEMAND PASSAGE OF YOUR! PUBLIC OPTION CHOICE!
From: jacksmith – WorkingClass
Dennis Kucinich http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfuFVm6QdPU
Rep. Alan Grayson: HR4789 – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wy2Y5Uevisk
WE THE PEOPLE OF The UNITED STATES – DEMAND!! an up or down vote on a Strong “GOVERNMENT-run” Public Option CHOICE!
Every member of Congress that fails to openly declare a YES vote for a Strong “GOVERNMENT-run” Public Option CHOICE! before reconciliation or any other healthcare vote, will be branded a NO vote against the Public Option. And a NO! vote against the American People and the World.
KNOW THIS!! We will RIP you from Office with such political ANGER! and BRUTALITY! that they will hear the Echoes of your parting screams for a 100 YEARS! You have a CHOICE! and AND SO DO WE. The PUBLIC OPTION!!
The Public Option http://tinyurl.com/yfftf76 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sj54bU0YYnk
IGNORE THE WILL OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AT YOUR PERIL!!
TAKE THE VOTE! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eob4GJSDKY
A LINE IN THE SAND -
Call your representatives and demand an answer. Do you or don’t you support a public option. Do you or don’t support democratic MAJORITY RULE! We DEMAND! to know.
YOU! are dying and suffering needlessly every day http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/27055
Why we need Government-run universal healthcare ASSURANCE! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jng4TnKqy6A
My Fellow Americans and People Of The World
A strong Government-run MEDICARE like Public Option is STILL! CRITICAL!
We have had a long hard struggle to find out what would be the BEST! that this congress and the Whitehouse could do to fix our highly dangerous, poor quality, most costly, and MOST! disgraceful healthcare delivery system in the world. It is clear that congress can do much more for the American people than what is proposed so far.
It is clear that congress can pass a strong GOVERNMENT-run public option CHOICE. Available to everyone on day one. Expand Medicare and not levy any new taxes on workers healthcare benefits and plans. LET THIS BE YOUR LINE IN THE SAND!
Lastly, there can be NO! INDIVIDUAL MANDATES without a strong Government-run MEDICARE like Public Option CHOICE. Or the American people WILL! and SHOULD! revolt with an all out CIVIL WAR against congress and this Government.
House and Senate progressives and the tri-caucuses should aggressively push for the inclusion of a strong Public Option, Medicare expansion, and no new taxes on workers healthcare benefits and plans. If the obstructionist kill meaningful healthcare reform, it’s failure will be on the obstructionist heads. And they will be punished and replaced.
WITHOUT A PUBLIC OPTION CHOICE, THIS BILL WILL KILL FAR MORE AMERICANS THAN IT WILL SAVE.
What is proposed in the Senate compromised bill is the worst case scenario for health-care reform. It would shift trillions of taxpayer, public and private dollars into the hands of the private insurance industry (The single most costly, deadly and dangerous product sold in America). And it would compel by law millions of Americans to financially support this oxymoronic criminal enterprise. You cant have a individual MANDATE WITHOUT A STRONG PUBLIC OPTION CHOICE!
You will have NO! realistic way of controlling cost and quality. Cost will continue soaring through the roof bleeding the American people dry, and KILLing our economy. And our quality of healthcare will continue to decline below our current ranking of “WORST! quality of healthcare delivery in the developed World”.
From the very start, the American people have been crystal clear about what they wanted. And the American people are CORRECT!! They wanted a humane single payer system like the rest of the developed world has (HR676). Or at least a humane strong GOVERNMENT-run public option CHOICE!! This is what the American people gave the democrats control of the house, control of the senate, and control of the Whitehouse to do. Including at one time a SUPER MAJORITY in the Senate.
Those of you that can, should prepare now to remove every member of congress that fails to support YOUR healthcare reform with a strong Public Option, Medicare expansion, and no new taxes on workers healthcare benefits and plans. Run against them in teams if you have to. But take them out. And replace them with a strong single payer or PRO PUBLIC OPTION CHOICE candidate.
Now! is the time to bring maximum pressure on your members of congress. Contact your representatives and spread the word.
H1N1 IS A WEAPON OF MASS DESTRUCTION!
I have to tell you now that the H1N1 virus is a man-made WEAPON OF MASS DESTRUCTION! and TERROR! It is a WEAPONIZED version of a flu virus. It has swept the planet infecting millions. And causing a global pandemic that has killed tens of thousands, and injured millions.
The H1N1 virus is the product of the DISGRACEFUL, GREED DRIVEN PRIVATE FOR PROFIT MEDICAL INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX! It was released in the U.S. in Texas in early January of last year, but not recognized until around April 2009 in California. The reason I know this is because when it came to America, it came to see me FIRST! How sweet…
This was around the time the MEDICAL INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX! assaulted the Whitehouse with all their devils deals to cripple and weaken YOUR! healthcare reform. Especially your right to have a single payer system like HR676 (Medicare For All) which most of you wanted.
They don’t even want you to have your HUGE!!! compromise position of a strong government-run MEDICARE like Public Option CHOICE. To compete with their DISGRACEFUL, GREED DRIVEN, MURDEROUS, PRIVATE FOR PROFIT PRODUCT (The single most costly, deadly and dangerous product sold in America).
They also wanted to take away your rights to have your government meet it’s responsibility to use it’s full power to regulate, negotiate, and control drug cost, healthcare cost and quality. Something every other civilized country in the developed World has done for it’s people. Their Greed! moral degeneracy and lack of patriotism knows no bounds.
Many of you will remember that before we knew about H1N1. I posted a open message to the President and Congress warning them to be vigilant about their health, and cautious about any medical advice they received. As I said then “they will not hesitate to try and hurt you”.
The U.S. and the World have been under a BIOLOGICAL TERROR ATTACK! for over a year now. It is CRITICAL that We The People Of The United States take away control of our healthcare system from the GREED DRIVEN MEDICAL INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX!
For our own National security, and the security of the world.
A Strong, government-run, MEDICARE like Public Option CHOICE. Available to everyone on day one, with the full unfettered power of the federal government to regulate, negotiate, and control cost and quality. Would be the most workable way to deal with this global crisis at this time. Including patent suspensions as needed for national security or the greater good.
As an American I invite the peoples of the World to help us fix our healthcare crisis. And bring pressure on our government to meet it’s responsibility to protect global security by controlling, and removing the corrupting influence of GREED and the PRIVATE FOR PROFIT motivations from healthcare in the U.S. and around the World.
I call on the governments of the World and the global intelligence community to track down these MASS MURDERERS, and bring them to justice. CONNECT THE DOTS! And be vigilant that they don’t slip in another viral strain on you under the cloak of H1N1 sequestration.
Further, the proposed patent protection on biologic’s must be stripped from the US bill. And greatly shorten/restricted, or abolished completely. This is a grave danger to humanity and global security.
We must be strong and insist that healthcare reform be done right for the American people. Or everyone loose’s.
This is all I can say in a message post. I’ll try to find a way to tell you more later.
God Bless You My Fellow Human Beings
jacksmith – Working Class
p.s. The so-called nominal H1N1 virus is designed in such a way as to make it more lethal to children and young adults. The medical community must be more vigilant of secondary bacterial infections in the young caused by H1N1. And remember, a viral infection is also a transfer of genetic code to you. Think about it, and be vigilant. :-(
MADAM SPEAKER, tells it like it is. :-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S15BQgELDAQ
We Want A Strong Government-Run Public Option NOW!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSdU4zKOgjs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-U6RV8oTMU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPIPxjLH0DQ
The Voice Of TRUTH! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIyUVltB0F4&feature=player_embedded
SHE’S BACK! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gn9-ktTz2Uw&feature=player_embedded
http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2010/01/30/debbie-wasserman-schultz-senators-lied-about-supporting-public-option/
http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2010/01/21/fixing-health-reform-through-the-reconciliation-sidecar-13-improvements-6-ways-to-save-money-4-important-benefits/
http://firedoglake.com/2010/01/21/ma-voters-seek-more-and-faster-change-economy-jobs-top-concern-taxing-health-insurance-very-unpopular-poll-says/
http://firedoglake.com/2010/01/21/ma-voters-seek-more-and-faster-change-economy-jobs-top-concern-taxing-health-insurance-very-unpopular-poll-says/
March 13, 2010 at 8:21 pm
WTF!?!?!?
I sure as hell don’t want a public option or a single payer system!!!!!!!!
I want NO govt control of healthcare!
This ain’t the daily kos. We aren’t lunatic liberals here!!
March 13, 2010 at 8:24 pm
This is a liberal FREAK who broke thru on this website. See who we’re dealing with here?
INSANE PEOPLE
March 13, 2010 at 8:27 pm
Bev, yep.
troll, bigtime. maybe we need to have a troll alert.
March 13, 2010 at 8:46 pm
Is it jacksmith or jacksquat?
March 13, 2010 at 10:25 pm
He comes from Firedoglake.
Also what he writes is a friggin lie. The majority of people do not want HELLCARE!!!
These idiots have no idea what it is like having universal healthcare insurance. The govt controls the type of services you can get. The govt controls how much you will get back by way of insurance after YOU pay the full price.
To give an example of this totally disgusting system, the week before last I needed an x-ray and CT scan on my left shoulder because of pain etc. It cost $350.00 and on top of that I paid $60 for the doctor plus another $100 on the follow-up visit. I got back $190 from the govt insurance plus another $66 for the follow-up visit.
My out of pocket expenses are steadily rising.
Public option is the biggest farce of all. Plus Public Option in the USA will bankrupt the country.
March 13, 2010 at 8:33 pm
This one needs to back in his cage.
March 13, 2010 at 8:22 pm
“A Strong, government-run, MEDICARE like Public Option CHOICE. Available to everyone on day one, with the full unfettered power of the federal government to regulate, negotiate, and control cost and quality. ”
OMG! who the heck is this new poster????
govt controlled rationcare??!?!?!?
HELL NO!!!!!!!!!
March 13, 2010 at 10:27 pm
Imagine with the fraud that exists now…. it will be a million times worse if Public Option was adopted.
Imagine, if the govt had that much control, Rationcare would be in full force. Granny will be shipped off to the gas ovens.
March 13, 2010 at 8:27 pm
Boring…
No National HC— that’s what the majority wants.
plus, H1n1 is BS
Can we bet a better educated and more succinct troll here?
March 13, 2010 at 10:28 pm
the H1N1 scare was nothing more than a scam.
It was not necessary because there was no pandemic.
March 14, 2010 at 10:12 am
Right you are, Maggie!
It ‘smelled’ from the beginning.
March 14, 2010 at 12:02 am
I think Mommy and Daddy went to bed, and Junior finally gets to play with their computer…
March 13, 2010 at 8:31 pm
You’re wasting your time. Your plan isn’t going to work.
March 13, 2010 at 9:14 pm
Rant away my little pretty…
You will soon see that the grownups are back in charge.
March 13, 2010 at 9:17 pm
Bless your little heart. Go back downstairs to the basement and make sure your Mom has some cookies and milk ready for you.
March 13, 2010 at 10:20 pm
TROLL ALERT
DO NOT FEED THE TROLL
March 14, 2010 at 1:15 am
Get along little doggy. Ain’t nothing here for ya, ya hear?
March 14, 2010 at 1:41 am
Back.away.from.your.computer. You have entered the wrong blog.
(for a minute there I thought I had slipped thru a black hole and ended up in an alternate universe!!!)
March 14, 2010 at 11:03 am
“The H1N1 virus is the product of the DISGRACEFUL, GREED DRIVEN PRIVATE FOR PROFIT MEDICAL INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX!”
See what happens when one sips from the poisoned cup of Universal Health Care; one becomes drunk with paranoid, schizophrenic, hyper-hypochondriac insanity.
If Obamacare isn’t scary enough for anyone then imagine how terrifying it will be when an entire nation of Dr Oz’s hyper-hypochondriac health-nuts addicted to disease are given free Universal Health Care.
March 14, 2010 at 10:14 am
The TROLLS are out everywhere like a bunch
of locusts.
It always happens when things are NOT so good for whatever hairbrained idea TheOne
or his minions have got on the table…..
J.E.R.K.S.
March 14, 2010 at 11:08 am
I watched Palins Orlando speach over at C4P.She nailed it this time HillBuzz.It was even better than the tea party speach.I like Hillary big time,but her party in power in congress I do not like.They abandoned her for the one,like rats jumping from one ship to another.Many of those scoundrels served with her then stabbed her in the back by endorsing the one.I hope they all rot in the unemployment lines this fall.Palin in her speach said what I have being thinking since 08, why is everyone giving this congress a pass?They have presided over 3 of the most massive deficits in American history.They share responsibility in them as well as Bush for allowing it.Palin said what every other politician has failed to say.She said we must remember this fall: Who has held the purse strings these past 3 years?I HOPE SHE HAMMERS THAT POINT ALL YEAR AND GETS THESE BACK STABBERS FIRED.
March 14, 2010 at 11:15 am
Imagine this ‘right to health care’ debate happening 150 year ago without any of the fantastic free-market driven by Capitalism’s medical care advances we all enjoy today:
Lefty’s saying “We have the RIGHT TO FREE UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE HEALTH CARE LEECHES”
Or “We have the RIGHT TO FREE UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE SAWING OFF OUR GANGRENE LEGS!!!
Or “We have the RIGHT TO FREE UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE WISKEY AND A PAIR OF PLIERS TO YANK OUT OUR ROTTING TEETH!!!!!”