We believe a Republican will be elected president in 2012 — and if she wants it, that Republican will be Sarah Palin. If, for whatever reason, the Governor chooses not to answer the call and serve her country in its highest office, the 45th President will be either Mitt Romney or a conservative governor who is not currently on the radar. It will not be Bobby Jindal, Mike Huckabee, John Thune, Time Pawlenty, or any of the other loser candidates the MSM so desperately tries to foist on the GOP.
Democrats, and the MSM (which, to be honest, are really one and the same at this point), don’t realize this yet, but America really has woken up and is angry at the things Liberals are doing in power.
Yesterday, here in Boystown, we hung around the polling place and caught up with some friends who were election judges, for the Illinois primary election. What they told us was ASTONISHING.
Being a rare February election, turnout was light, of course. Few young people showed up. Most of the voters were elderly, and while they chose Democrat ballots for this primary election, a lot of them seem to be voting Republican in the fall, if Democrats continue to come off as crazed liberals to these seniors.
People are mad.
The DNC doesn’t realize HOW MAD.
No one appreciates the fact that whatever magic Dr. Utopia had, it’s worn off now. Reality’s set in. People don’t believe the employment situation’s going to get any better for the next two years under this Democrat president.
The general sense is that it’s party time in Washington. The longer this goes on — with the “fashion icon” First Lady, and all of her lavish trips, her Wednesday cocktail parties, and her hectoring to shop at Whole Foods while most people are struggling to make enough to eat — the more people will want “change they can really believe in, this time”, come 2012.
Short of using the media to trick Republicans into running a losing candidate, like Jindal or Pawlenty, we don’t see how Dr. Utopia can win a second term. Not even with ACORN, the SEIU, the Black Panthers, the entire Race Industry, and every news outlet squarely behind him.
To be honest, even if he doesn’t seek a second term, or is defeated in the primary by Hillary Clinton, we don’t think Democrats can hang onto the White House in 2012.
The level of incompetence and ineptitude in the current administration is so high, and this president is so tone deaf to the wants and needs of voters, that it sure feels to us that there’s a mighty reckoning coming.
We think Dr. Utopia and his unicorn-riders have permanently damaged the Democrat brand. It will be a long time before the nation trusts Democrats with the highest office in the land.
Now, 2012 is a long ways off. A lot can happen in two years. We’re sure David Axelrod and Rahm Emanuel are hard at work on a re-election strategy for Dr. Utopia. It’s clear “Hope and Change” was a one-time deal and can’t be used again. So, no doubt, some new tactics will be pulled.
We’re wondering what you think this current administration can use to win independents back, who have broken big for Republicans in the last three major elections held (NJ and VA governors and MA Senate).
Without the indepdendents, Dr. Utopia doesn’t win a second term.
How dangerous and radical do you think the Democrats will get if they think they have no future and know “this is it” in terms of being in power for a while?
Do you think there’s hope for ANY Democrat to win the White House in 2012?
February 3, 2010 at 1:53 pm
The Odds do not favor it.
But of course who said the Democrats would actually “win” it – they didn’t win the primaries for Obama!
February 3, 2010 at 7:35 pm
Hey, don’t rule this guy out in 2012 …
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/12/30/politics/politicalhotsheet/entry6038742.shtml
… all depends if his parole officer will OK his travel across state lines.
February 3, 2010 at 2:01 pm
As far as I am concerned, there are no front-runners for the Republicans and about the only one I would even consider of the Dems is Hillary.
The problem is, the O-Media has been slyly, slowly and subtly maligning her. Maybe that’s the real reason she is leaving as SoS. Personally, I am relieved she is doing so because I hate to see her reputation sullied.
Note: When everyone was still in the running during the primaries, my husband and I were for Ron Paul (for different reasons; hubby is a Libertarian; I just wanted someone to reign in the spending); however, my two youngest boys (10 and 8 at that time) were for “the woman.” (Hillary).
My Libertarian husband nearly fainted when they said that and when I told my boys “yeah, she’s my second pick” — well, you can imagine his shock.
So, when people ask you how you can be for Hillary and Sarah Palin? Yeah “I feel your pain.”
February 3, 2010 at 2:03 pm
It’s not looking good for Democrats. At the moment I can’t picture any Dem winning it. Certainly not Obama. However, 3 yrs is a long time away and Republicans have been known to also snatch defeat out the jaws of victory, so who knows? They could fumble, run a crappy candidate, obsess over social issues rather then the big picture. Politics is kind of like a roller coaster ride.
February 3, 2010 at 6:12 pm
I don’t think our enemies will let it ride for 3 years. They will take the opportunity of a weak do nothing President and attack us. If/When they do, Americans will be screaming for the blood thirsty war monger Republicans to be in charge. Because Princess Pantywaist isn’t going to do a damn thing about retaliation.
February 3, 2010 at 2:08 pm
Great question. Mitt Romney actually has a chance, because of all the candidates he knows about the ECONOMY and if things do not change, that will definitely be #1 of the issues in November. Also, as Obama is increasing weak on national security, people are realizing they do not feel safe and they feel safer with a republican in office. Even I had to see that democrats are not strong enough on national security. I want a strong national security and want to feel our government has our back, not has the back of terrorists. (The recent statement coming out that within 6 months there will definitely be another terrorist attack is so obnoxious and disgusting). My niece wants to visit me and now my relatives do not want her to fly. If people get afraid, this may cripple the airlines even worse than it already is. My answer: Do something about it Obama & Co. so there won’t be an attack.
Anyway, back to the subject, I think Sarah has a good chance to be in the mix. If Newt Gingrich decides to run, that is the fastest way for Obama to get re-elected. He is death to the GOP chances and I wish he would just shut up. No democrat that I know could vote for him. I could live with Sarah and/or Mitt Romney.
February 3, 2010 at 2:55 pm
I was very impressed with the way that Romney handled the election in Massachusetts. He really helped Scott Brown. What I saw of him impressed me a lot.
February 3, 2010 at 3:52 pm
Romney is SO good from the financial/business end of things. However–it really bothered me that in the primaries when questioned about Mormonism, he persisted in trying to pass it off historically as a twist on traditional Christianity. I don’t care if he worships purple rocks on Tuesdays between 3-4 am….but IF he worships purple rocks, I would expect that he wouldn’t have any problem owning up to it, instead of insisting that the rocks are blue and he only worships them on Thursdays. In other words, don’t lie about something you don’t have to lie about for crying out loud. And I have to say, I really don’t care what his reasons were (for instance, fear of evangelical Christians–of which Iareone–if I had heard an evangelical Christian knocking him because of his Mormonism, I myself would have taken THEM to task and told them to grow up, for crying out loud). Basic bottom line, I felt like he was evasive and untruthful because he felt it would hurt him with “certain conservatives” and I didn’t appreciate it. That’s a commentary on THEM–until he starts lying about it–then it’s a commentary on HIM. Ah, well, the perfect world awaits.
February 3, 2010 at 4:23 pm
Why does he owe anyone an explanation for his religious beliefs? Apparently Americans had no problem with a Muslim. The only reason to question his beliefs was to try to ridicule him, his religion, christianity, or anything that remotely resembles it. During the primaries, I actually heard many people say that they could never vote for a Mormon. Why, is the Muslim we currently have in the White House now so much better, more truthful? Liberals use religion as one of their key social issues, as gotcha questions to divide and conquer. Apparently it worked in 2008. Don’t expect anything different in 2012. The question is, are we going to continually fall for this?
February 3, 2010 at 5:07 pm
Um, “Mormonism” is a different branch of Christianity.
Christian faiths in a nutshell:
Catholicism: We’ve been right all along.
Protestants: The Catholics went wrong and we’re trying to get back to right.
Mormons: It all went wrong after the apostles were killed; it’s now been restored.
Anyone who tells you otherwise doesn’t know what they’re talking about.
February 3, 2010 at 6:10 pm
Rain, he doesn’t owe anyone an explanation. I guess that’s what I was partly trying to get at. I would have thought that he would have been smarter about not letting that conversation even get started, but he didn’t; and he always seemed on the defensive when he was talking about it.
angelaisms…your summary says it well…I got my tongue over my eye tooth and couldn’t see what I was saying. I am one of the evangelical Christians who sometimes trip over our shoelaces, and I find it challenging to hold forth in a secular political context without tripping over my own assumptions. Sorry.
February 3, 2010 at 6:34 pm
No worries, Emma. I wasn’t following the primaries, so I don’t know what he did or didn’t say about it, but it sounds like all he was saying was, “I’m Christian, too, just a different brand.” I just wanted it on record that that is not an inaccurate statement. :)
February 3, 2010 at 7:00 pm
Romney’s problem isn’t his religion. It’s twofold: !) his lying past. There are numerous videos of him saying to- I believe, Teddy K- that he (Romney) was more pro abortion than Kennedy and more pro-gay than Kennedy. Then, when Romney ran for POTUS suddenly he was anti abortion and anti gay. Huh? That, to me, stinks of corruption and “lying just to get elected” to high heaven. Either he lied when he ran for governor, or he lied when he ran for POTUS. Either way, that stinks.
2) his connection with the MA healthcare program. That program is so deep in debt now, with hospitals going bankrupt and actually SUING the state! People do NOT like the dems wanting the hcb- I can’t believe they’ll like Romney’s connection to a similar one!
February 3, 2010 at 7:16 pm
I converted to the Mormon religion a few years ago. I was born and raised as a Roman Catholic. To be quite honest, it wasn’t that much of a “leap of faith” for me.
I’m old enough to remember when JFK ran for president and for some people his Catholicism was a problem. Now no one cares. Once we have a Mormon president, I suspect no one will care because they’ll realize you vote for the person’s qualifications for the office – not their religion. I think the one good thing that Obama has done, although not intentionally, is break the barrier for African-American people. I think a majority of American voters now realize they should have voted for the person with the best qualifications for the office, not his “skin color”.
February 4, 2010 at 12:13 am
I live in Massachusetts. I’ve met Romney. He is not well remembered here except for his support of Senator Brown. He can also put you to sleep in a heartbeat after five minutes of his waxing euphoric about himself. I am sure the Republicans could come up with a more exciting choice.
February 3, 2010 at 9:21 pm
Mitt Romney will never be elected president. He will never win the GOP nomination. Iowa and SC would vote for Jindal before Mitt Romney.
All the buzz for Romney is more blah blah from his one million supporters and half million lefties who want him to win.
Catholics and Evangelicals will never vote for him.
He will lose Iowa, NH and SC. And even if he manages to win the nomination(provided Palin, Brown or Rubio stay home)he will be crushed by Obama.
Minorities will go back to Obama in huge numbers and will give their backs to the “racist-sexist republicans”.
February 3, 2010 at 2:16 pm
Dr.Utopia will never go for the second term if he doese what he is doing now,America is not Venezuela this guye needs to get out, Clinton got reelected because he changed.
In regards to Bobby Jendal or Tim Polenty you are so right neither one of them are right to beat this guye only Sarah is but of course there is lots of hard headed Americans who don’t want a woman President,its a shame.
February 3, 2010 at 3:54 pm
I’m a Minnesotan. Absolutely NOT Tim Pawlenty. He’s done all right, but he absolutely would not survive 24 hours of the media crucifixion that they’d have waiting for him. If the candidates can’t survive that and dish it back, it really won’t matter how good their ideas and principles are. Absolutely NOT Tim Pawlenty.
February 3, 2010 at 2:20 pm
“Do you think there’s hope for ANY Democrat to win the White House in 2012?”
Amnesty? Universal Voter Registration? SOS Project? And, isn’t Obama “sorta God”?
February 3, 2010 at 3:08 pm
I was thinking the same thing, TXMom. Though I do believe people are really “on to them” now, and we will be marching on Washington with pitchforks and torches if they try to pull this off.
February 3, 2010 at 8:12 pm
You know, the amnesty thing MIGHT just turn around and bite Obama in the rear end – a lot of people who come to this country are coming to ESCAPE Socialism/Communism. If they think that the Dems are leading us in that direction, they will vote for the Republicans…..
February 3, 2010 at 2:32 pm
As of today, I’d say absolutely no. If Hillary wants to be prez, I’d be advising her NOT to run in 2012 no matter what.
February 3, 2010 at 2:32 pm
Dems and RINOs both better beware…all the contempt shown to We The People this past summer at town hall meetings, tea parties, etc. will NOT be forgotten.
February 3, 2010 at 3:34 pm
No indeed.
February 3, 2010 at 6:07 pm
Not to mention that there have been more and more SEIU/Utopians/loons showing up at tea parties and town hall meetings to “counter-protest.” That will only increase as the weather warms. And I imagine they will become a tad more threatening as their numbers increase, creating even more anger at the left. The more they try to game the game, the more obvious it becomes even to those that don’t pay too much attention.
I don’t know who will be the anti-Obama, but someone will rise from the pack. I hope it’s Sarah. She will have, by then, proved that she can handle whatever they throw at her. And as her numbers keep rising slowly, only the worst of the loons will be left throwing crap pies at her, which will increase our anger and our numbers.
February 3, 2010 at 6:13 pm
Do you think that if the Tea Partiers and others can just stand their ground when the thugs start showing up as the weather warms that it will have the effect of exposing the thugs even more? I hope so. My 66 year old carcass is ready to be bruised if need be. I wouldn’t be looking for it, but I won’t run from it.
February 3, 2010 at 6:31 pm
We Tea Party Protesters WILL be back.
And I’m not afraid of a thug.
You can do it too, Emma! I’ll be your bodyguard.
February 3, 2010 at 6:52 pm
Yes, Emma, I do. And I would advise all/any who attend the tea parties to bring video cams and/or cell phones/Iphones that can record the behavior and the language of the thuggies. And then put it on youtube lickity split while also sending it to all TV news organizations.
I intend to attend any in my tri-state area this year and if it comes to a march on DC – I will be there. And those thuggies better not mess with this grandmother. I was born, raised, and lived my life in NJ. I’m no delicate flower. I’m so angry I have the days marked until the November election.
February 3, 2010 at 8:14 pm
If we just keep on putting up those posts like Andrew Breitbart did in Massachusetts, telling SEIU/ACORN/Union Thugs that we will be taking pictures of them, they won’t come out. That’s the thing about bullies – they are really cowards.
February 3, 2010 at 9:58 pm
If you have a free hand, take a cane – I do, and, no – I don’t need one to walk. Heh.
February 3, 2010 at 2:37 pm
The problem with rich people who run for office is that when their earnings are scrutinized, many many horrible stories emerge about how they actually made their money.
As soon as Romney gets a head of steam up, the democrats will simply remind people of the unnecessary greed and avarice that Mr. Romney may have used to gain his wealth.
February 3, 2010 at 4:53 pm
You’re probably right, but this just kills me…when you look at how much he gave in charitible donations compared to practically ANY Democrat (rich or not), you see a huge difference. Example: Joe Biden had a couple thousand in charitable donations in 2007. Blah.
I’m not all in for Romney or anything, but I really don’t think people are in the frame of mind to hate businessmen just because they are rich. There comes a time when you look at someone whose made money and you say, “well, he got that way for a reason…he’s good with money”…and we of course need that.
But personally I think we need to have someone that is “one of us”…someone who had a real life before politics…not a career politician.
February 3, 2010 at 6:15 pm
Hubby and I absolutely DON’T hate businessmen “because they’re rich”. First of all, lots of them aren’t particularly rich, they’re just working their butts off and trying to hang on to what they make. Secondly, every single person we have worked for in our entire lives had more money than we did–which is why they could give us a job. Being the brilliant Scandinavians that we are, shoot, we had that figured out by the time we were about 22 years old or so. Class envy doesn’t work with me. I know for a fact that if I am EVER “at the top of the heap” financially, we are all in more trouble than you can begin to imagine.
February 3, 2010 at 6:18 pm
“one of us”
Like Palin
February 3, 2010 at 7:33 pm
G8rMom7-
There was one Democratic couple that gave over 10% of their gross earnings to charities. The Obama thugs were making a big deal about this couples’ tax returns during the primaries. And when this couple released their returns, many people were surprised. That couple would be Bill and Hillary Clinton.
February 3, 2010 at 2:39 pm
If everyone is as sick of the Dems in 3 more years as everyone was after 8 years of Bush, then maybe a Republican can win. But does anyone think Obama and his minions will not lie, cheat, steal the 2nd term like they did his first? And Palin has been so trounced on, ridiculed and disected by MSM, I don’t know how fast things can turn around for her. As was said before the Republicans need to stop obsessing on Abortion and Gay Marriage. Of course, doesn’t all of this really depend on whom the “powers that be” (i.e. Sorros and the Robber Barons) pick for us?
February 3, 2010 at 3:36 pm
The lying, cheating and stealing is a big part of the reason people detest this administration so much. So such a strategy as ‘we will lie, cheat and steal some more’ – will only bring in the sucker vote, which sadly does exist.
February 3, 2010 at 8:16 pm
People are SO mad that the margin of the win in just about every election is going to be too high to be able to contest it. And people are aware of the methods used, so they will be on the lookout for more of the same, with cameras and cell phones at the ready….
February 3, 2010 at 8:48 pm
Hopefully Sarah can turn things around. Unfortunately, I think all of the attacks when she has been interviewed has made her a bit “gun shy” and wary. She needs to get back to being the aggressive, confident person that she was in Alaska and take no prisioners. In the primary debate for governor, she smacked down her two opponents when they were arguing between themselves and made them stop. She is being way too cautious in what she says in her interviews and that makes her come across as not that savvy.
She should also be planning more trips out of the country (not just Canada).
February 3, 2010 at 2:53 pm
I agree that the Democrats have lost the trust of the average American.
I was a Dem for a most of my life. Last year, I turned Independent.
I will vote straight R in the midterms.
I don’t think I can vote D ever again; at least not in the near future.
If it ends up being Hillary vs. Sarah, I will most likely vote for Sarah because I am sick of the Democrats and I hate all the spending they do.
February 3, 2010 at 3:38 pm
I feel the same, Michelle.
My dem friends who don’t pay attention have no idea how passionately I have turned against the dems. To know them is to hate them.
February 3, 2010 at 9:29 pm
In a Hillary vs Sarah match up, Sarah will win(Sarah has Rubio in Florida, Perry in Texas, Brown in Massachusets and the Tea Party movement across the country).
Sorry guys but I really think that Hillary hurt herself when she accepted being SOS for this fraud.
Its going to be Obama vs Palin. History will be made!
February 3, 2010 at 3:07 pm
There’s a wild card in all this. Here it is:
If al Queda pulls of a successful terrorist attack on US soil, the current crop of Dems are dead-in-the-water.
February 3, 2010 at 3:25 pm
Not a matter of IF, but WHEN.
February 3, 2010 at 6:23 pm
They DID pull it off, Fort Hood anyone?
Terrorist- yes
Attack – yes
US soil – yes
Only problem was the Muslim info gather-ers didn’t realize the MSM wouldn’t give the terrorists the credit for killing all those Americans on US soil. And the fact that the MSM doesn’t care too much about the Military.
Next time they’ll have to open fire on little children in a school yard to get noticed. That *might* get the publicity they are looking for, if they really want the publicity, they should bring a Koran and blow themselves up too. If that happened Obama might, just might be induced to make a timely “statement of regret” but don’t bet on it.
February 3, 2010 at 7:44 pm
Then will Martial Law be declared? An attack is what will keep ‘em all employed. Leon Panetta says there’ll be an attack in 3 to 6 months.
By the way, Panetta has about as much business being head of the CIA as I do.
February 3, 2010 at 7:45 pm
Meaning all elections will be suspended.
February 3, 2010 at 8:21 pm
Actually, all of the folks on that panel said there would be an ATTEMPTED attack – we’ve had plenty of those in the past; we just never heard about them because our intelligence officers prevented them from happening.
I agree with a poster on another blog – they must have heard something recently that put the fear of God into them. They want to have an “out” to be able to unleash the hounds of hell (a.k.a. the US Military) before something really bad happens, and they are blamed for falling asleep at the wheel.
I guess there’s something to be said for having a “cowboy” for a President, huh, Barky?
February 3, 2010 at 3:09 pm
I don’t think a Dem can win in 2012, and am sad to say not even Hillary. Yes, she has distanced herself as much as she can from the domestic trainwreck of Obama, but the fact remains that she is closely identified with the now-trashed Dem brand as part of his administration. The fact that she is doing her best to serve the country within the confines of his policies won’t help. I firmly believe that she and her hard-nosed patriotism is the ONLY thing that is keeping our foreign policy from being even scarier than it is. Like her or not, she loves this country, and is likely working her butt off to contain the damage and keep us strong, while daily cringing and shouting “What the eff is he THINKING???” as she tries to salvage good from this clusterf**k.
I think that if she had stepped aside entirely in 2008, she might have had a shot. But the fact is she backed him. Whether she did it out of party loyalty, or out of a sincere desire to be a grown-up voice of reason and keep him from doing too many stupid things on the foreign policy front, isn’t going to matter a lot to voters in 2012. Hillary is probably the best shot the Dems might have in 2012, and even she likely could not win. Anyone else? Fuggedaboutit.
I honestly don’t think Palin will run, either. I wish she would, but I doubt it. I look for the GOP to run some “new blood”, not the same old Romney, Huckabee, etc.
I said over a year ago to keep an eye on Paul Ryan. I made a bet then that he will likely be the VP pick for the GOP, or even run himself. I’ll bet I’m right. We’ll see.
February 3, 2010 at 3:56 pm
You know – Palin would make a wonderful Secretary of Energy, wouldn’t she?
Heavens, I would love that.
February 3, 2010 at 5:25 pm
Ooooh … THAT’s what I’ve been thinking. It would give her some “street cred” with people who think she’s dumb because that’s what the MSM told them (the ideologues are scared to death of her and won’t ever admit she’s competent no matter what).
February 3, 2010 at 4:57 pm
Paul Ryan is a good choice IMO…he is super smart. I also think someone like Marco Rubio could have a shot assuming he gets elected to the Senate this year. It may seem early, but in some ways he is a lot like Obama…but in a good way. He stays on point “limited gov’t, balanced budgets, american exceptionalish”, he’s attractive and very likable. In any case, I think the GOP may very well nominate someone that isn’t even on the radar right now.
February 3, 2010 at 6:26 pm
I agree WMBC. I have fought tooth and nail with my family members to support Palin. They refuse to back her. Also, they liked Hillary until she accepted a position under Obama. They are not the only ones I have talked to that feel this way. My ideal ticket would be Bachmann/Brown. Both have the experience and charisma to draw in the crowds.
February 3, 2010 at 7:21 pm
I was just thinking about Michelle Bachmann and Bachmann/Brown would be a helluva ticket.
February 3, 2010 at 7:33 pm
If Sarah ran and won, she might have a place for Hillary on HER cabinet that would be a decent task that Hillary could do with pride instead of having to squirm. Don’t know how realistic that is, but my respect for Hillary has only been going up since the election as I have seen how she has handled herself in one crazy situation after another (including having to deal with hubby Bill who isn’t always the most helpful political creature!)
February 3, 2010 at 7:45 pm
How about DeMint? I don’t know much about the guy Anyone?
February 3, 2010 at 3:36 pm
Something I’d like to see which will probably never happen…BUT
I’d like to see Hillary run in 2012 for POTUS as an Independent.
If anyone could pull it off, it’s her.
February 3, 2010 at 3:42 pm
I read that the certified election results have been officially delivered this morning in Massachusetts, which means Brown can be seated at any time.
Brown was ready and had his lawyer fire off a letter demanding he be seated.
You know, I hope MA voters decide to keep Brown. He has game. He’s sharp and he rolls up his sleeves and does the work. He’s not at all afraid to mix it up. He’s a competitor. I’d like to have some representatives like that.
February 3, 2010 at 3:43 pm
Did you know Brown and Palin played basketball?
I’d like to see them play against Utopia.
February 3, 2010 at 3:42 pm
We have no idea what will happen in the next 3 yrs. Judging by Obama’s insistence that everybody adore him, he might even give up and resign. Presidenting is hard word and even the best presidents spend a lot of time being the targets of mockery.
February 4, 2010 at 8:39 pm
Obama could ONLY be defeated by:
1- A conservative
2-Charismatic with sense of humor and that can give a great speech
3- Young(younger than Obama)
4-Some one that could beat Obama’s historic presidency
That person is Sarah Palin…anyone else…Obama gets second term
February 4, 2010 at 10:07 pm
Si! Bachmann as Speaker.
February 3, 2010 at 3:45 pm
I think the Dems would ONLY have a chance IF Dr.U saw he doesn’t stand a chance, even WITH, lieing, stealing, cheating and fraud, so decides not to run for health reasons, and then the ONLy Dem I think would stand a chance is Hillary. Everything she said in the primaries is coming true. Also since she took SOS she now how Foriegn policy experience and also by taking it, she showed she can and will work with people who said awful things about her…to help our Country. Plus since she was a team player, that should help get the AA support back that both Clintons had, until Obama camp called them racist.Plus many people/Repubs that HATED the Clintons ended up respedting Hillary during the primary
I do NOT believe Obama could win a 2nd term, but then I couldn’t see HOW bush was re elected, so who can figure out how people thing. and IF a Dem ran against Obama, it would just be the Kennedy/Carter mess all over.
I don’t know of many Republicans that would get people to go out and vote for them, Maybe Sarah, but even now most of the people I see criticizing her the most are Republicans.Not to mention many of the Dems really believe alll the crap about her spewed by the MSM and Obama camp.
After the past 2 presidents, I could see where people just stay home and decide they all suck, give up and just stay home.
Unless there is someone people really believe can do the job and have the experience ect. I can see low voter turn out.
February 3, 2010 at 3:57 pm
We’re wondering what you think this current administration can use to win independents back, who have broken big for Republicans in the last three major elections held (NJ and VA governors and MA Senate).”
NoBama can’t win back the Independents – he “doubled down” in the STOTU address. Period.
Dad loved Mitt, and I don’t disagree that he could do a world of good, yet he is not charismatic enough to win, thus I still love Sarah.
I agree with WMCB in that Paul Ryan of WI is another one to watch!
February 3, 2010 at 4:04 pm
Yes I agree too on Ryan. And what about some of the governors? For the executive experience.
February 3, 2010 at 6:53 pm
He GETS fiscal responsibility, has a passion for it, and is not afraid to speak it plainly, and simply. He has a degree in Economics, BTW, and has worked in the private sector, as an economic advisor and owning his own business.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUYhVhfyNkU
I’m telling ya, watch this guy Paul Ryan. I think he’s going to be a big star in the GOP, if the GOP has a lick of sense.
February 3, 2010 at 4:03 pm
I think the winning strategy for dems would be to run against the president.
But I dont’ believe they will do it.
p.s. Hillbuzz, last year in VA, we voted in the gubernatorial primaries for Deeds, who won by a large margin. Then we voted republican straight ticket in the fall. Sounds like the Illinoisians are thinking like us.
Wasn’t sure until reading your blog entry if IL had open primaries or not.
February 3, 2010 at 6:10 pm
Yep, I voted for Deeds too, knowing he was the weaker of the two. Carpetbagger Terry McAuliffe gave me the impression that he wanted us Virginians to pay for all of the green technology that he had invested in to that he could make millions.
February 3, 2010 at 4:04 pm
Palin 2012!
Speaking of the Gov, she had a great piece in USA Today yesterday about why she’s speaking at the Tea Party Convention, despite some of the drama around it.
http://blogs.usatoday.com/oped/2010/02/column-why-im-speaking-at-tea-party-convention-.html
Also, I’m watching this Palin vs. Emanuel shakedown with great fascination. Emanuel is jumping through loops to mea culpa. Which is why I’m fascinated – this incident is underscoring 1) How much this administration really does fear Gov. Palin, and 2) just how incredibly effective she is, and what a strong influence she has on the national dialogue. From where I stand – these are all good things.
February 3, 2010 at 4:05 pm
Hoops. He’s jumping through hoops, not loops!
February 3, 2010 at 7:06 pm
Hahaha. Maybe he’s doing both!
February 3, 2010 at 8:33 pm
All I can say to Sarah is “you go Girl!” This is just too funny! It couldn’t happen to a more deserving guy. “Rahm, dead-fish, Emmanuel” as Hannity likes to call him, is learning a new dance, “choreographed” by the “soccer Mom”.
February 3, 2010 at 8:36 pm
Sorry correction on my previous comment, should be “hockey mom” instead of “soccer mom”.
February 3, 2010 at 10:03 pm
The ‘beauty’ of Gov. Palin’s SMACK DOWN of DeadFish Emmanuel is in the knowledge (just read this yesterday and Limbaugh substantiated it today) that the ‘r’ word was used back in August…(Emmanuel to BlueDog Dims not supporting ObamaCare Ver. 1.0) but was released in the context of a pattern of ‘Dim infighting’ NOT as a slander of those with special needs.
Gov. Palin read the comment for its TRUE insult…and called out Emmanuel (and his enabler, Barracky). Once again, a few paragraphs from Palin on FaceBook and the Obot White House is forced to go DefCom 4.
The irony is that Emmanuel, channeling his inner Dear Leader, has apologized to everyone EXCEPT the BlueDogs he originally ‘aimed’ the insult at.
Priceless! And, concurring with Governor Palin…’He has to go.’
February 3, 2010 at 10:09 pm
I hope Emmanuel stays and continues to cause rifts with all the rest of the administration as well as the base and moderates. Better for us!
February 3, 2010 at 4:06 pm
This country will be crying for someone who understands economics, money and budgets, that would be Mitt Romney. He somehow managed to get elected Governor in Mass. I believe if there was dirt to be had on Mitt the press in Boston would have found it.
February 3, 2010 at 4:50 pm
True. But this country might also be crying for someone who proudly, unabashedly loves this country, is 100% committed to protecting its exceptionalism and sovereignty, and sincere in her/his (her, please!) desire to restore and preserve the liberties we are meant to have – and then surround him/herself with people who understand economics, money and budgets, and, importantly, capitalism.
I think there’s a real chance 2012 might truly be Country First, and then economy. On the grounds that we’ve been delivered a big fat scary lesson in the dangers – which most certainly includes economic dangers – of having someone at the helm who does not love this country – and then governs recklessly and according to a dangerous ideological agenda.
If this is true – Obama CANNOT win. He’s permanently lost the likes of me, who can see that he does not love, or even like, this country. There’s no 2nd chance for him in my book. Permanently toast.
February 3, 2010 at 5:33 pm
The problem with Romney is that he’s just too plastic – like a Ken doll. He IS good at the turnaround business – so I’d like to see him at Treasury or the Federal Reserve.
The other thing about Romney is that there are probably enough Evangelicals who would rather let O have a second term than see a Mormon in the White House that that’s probably the only scenario I can imagine where O could pull it out. Not that the Evangelicals would vote for O, but if enough of them stayed home, it could make the difference :-(
I don’t know who I’d like for Pres (I would have voted for Fred Thompson if he hadn’t fizzled), but I’d like to see both Romney and Palin in the Cabinet.
February 3, 2010 at 6:19 pm
Tying to earlier comments in this thread, I hate it that you may be right about the evangelicals staying home rather than voting for Romney, and it makes me sick. I talked myself blue in the face when they elected Carter “because he was a Christian”. Made me crazy. They just didn’t get it and didn’t want to, I’m afraid, because it made them feel like they were taking some kind of stand. When that’s what passes for “political reasoning” it’s hard to get people to THINK.
February 3, 2010 at 6:43 pm
I’ll second that, and add that I’m still mad at Mike Huckabee for encouraging all that anti-Mormon crap during the primaries in ’08. Like I said before, I wasn’t really paying attention at the time, but I heard about it afterward, and hoo-boy. That alone is reason for me to never vote Huckabee (unless he’s the best choice in a general election, in which case I’d hold my nose to do it). There’s no place for that kind of bigotry in the White House.
February 3, 2010 at 8:03 pm
This Christian liked Huckabee, voted for Romney.
I like when a politician has a plan. I liked Huckabee’s flat tax. A lot. As much as I would like to see a Man like Huckabee in the WH, I knew the press would not “let” a “Born Again Evangelical Christian” get elected. They would have slaughtered him, maligned him to no end. Perhaps someday but not in the climate of 2008 would we see a B.A.E.C. in the WH. We need a climate more like 1776.
February 3, 2010 at 4:15 pm
No way. Obama has made sure of that. If he can’t get re-elected, he has poisoned the water for any other Democrat to get elected. he and the Dems in Washington have done so much damage, been openly corrupt and arrogant,-no Democrat will be elected Pres. in 2012.
I would have voted for Hillary in 2008 had she got the nomination but I will not vote for her in 2012 if she does. It does not matter what she promises to do-I don’t trust a single democrat to actully follow through. Obama has shown the people that in a big way. He lied through his teeth about everything and made things 100 times worse than anyone ever could. Nope, Dems are the dictator party. They are not even trying to hide that anymore
What is the old adage? Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.
February 3, 2010 at 7:33 pm
There seems to be a hard split developing in the Democrat party. You see it with Harry Reid’s anger/frustration with Obama using “Las Vegas” as some kind of punching bag in his speeches. And with some of the blue dog D’s anger with Obama and how he pushed them to their detriment and now doesn’t seem to be assisting them in their own states. While it’s not quite the same as the anger in 1967/1968 over Vietnam and the riots and the “seemingly out of control” streets, there are some interesting similarities.
As of 2 years ago, it seemed as if there were two factions: The Clinton loyalists and the Camelot loyalists. Just like there were with LBJ and the Kennedys. I wonder if the riff will grow into the chasm of ’68. If so, a D will not be able to be elected in 2012 – Obama or anyone else.
In ’68 the country looked at the D party with distain and fear. I see that look again amongst my peers and little by little, the youngsters.
February 3, 2010 at 9:42 pm
I wonder if we also be seeing some displaced anger, where old scores that have been simmering and left unsettled “for the greater good” since Pres. Clinton may start being slogged out in public because they’re beginning to realize that they have an albatross in the White House that’s going to drown them all.
February 3, 2010 at 4:23 pm
HillBuzz: Check out the donation request from the California Democratic Party, which is here:
https://www.kintera.org/c.jrLZK2PyHmF/b.5742295/k.6B36/Not_in_California_Pledge/siteapps/advocacy/ActionItem.aspx?msource=20100121tads&kntaw10788=B62CB176EFF04E648E1B9A9A58E927B1
Here is what it says:
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Not in California Pledge
The Republicans, along with their allies in the teabagger movement and Fox News have elected right-winger Scott Brown to the Massachusetts Senate seat once held by Ted Kennedy.
We won’t let the same thing happen here. Not in California. Not this year. Not to our candidates.
Sign below to take the pledge and add your comments to send a message to the teabaggers and their candidates: “Not in California.”
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They obviously don’t realize the extent to which independent Democrats are “tea-bagging”.
February 3, 2010 at 5:38 pm
Being called a “teabag” by scumbags is, IMHO, a badge of honor.
February 3, 2010 at 6:14 pm
Wow…from your link.
“Learn to Win 2010 Campaign Training
Join the California Democratic Party and meet new activists in these two-day grassroots trainings. Get the tools and information you need for success:
•Field Skills •Online Strategy •Finance Law
•Using New Technology •Campaign Messaging
•and much more! ”
Hmmmm…..Is this an Astroturfing 101 school?
February 3, 2010 at 7:29 pm
Actually, its Alinsky 101
February 3, 2010 at 7:34 pm
You betcha!
February 3, 2010 at 4:42 pm
So are we proudly owning the term “teabagger” yet or are we still fighting it. I still bristle when I see it or hear it used.
Hillbuzz – please take a look at Paul Ryan, R-WI. This guy tore up Geithner in the budget hearings. I’ve been following him for about 3/4 of a year now and this guy seems like the real deal. Personally – I think he could be a contender in 2012 if the Republican Party would wake up and see that Party Liners such as Romney won’t sweep the independents off their feet.
If Sarah won’t run – I’m going to be pushing to see Ryan run.
I’d love to see Sarah run, but we all need to be fashioning steel clothes for team the way the Dems and the media will try (emphasis on “try”) to tear her up. Remember the false CBS report on Bush (the one that got Rather “retired”) I fear that will pale in comparison.
But I will also admit that I’d love to see her run because she is so taken for granted. If she can stay on-message and on-track she will tear them up and spit them out.
February 3, 2010 at 6:21 pm
I’m still ticked by the teabagger thing, too. I always want to look at the person with a slightly perplexed frown and say something like, “Oh, goodness. You really don’t know what means, do you?” And then stop talking.
February 4, 2010 at 8:48 pm
Sarah will not run….she is ALREADY RUNNING! She is running since November 5, 2008!!
February 3, 2010 at 4:47 pm
From the comeandtakeitblog:
“If you go to Texas Monthly’s website they’ve got a picture of their February cover up, and it’s all Rick Perry (current TX Governor), all the time. (Rick Perry is running for re-election against Kay Bailey Hutchinson, current U.S. Senator from TX, and Debra Medina. The photo is about Perry for President 2012.)
Some people who see this are going to laugh, but I’ve got a feeling anyone who’s been really tuned into this (primary) race will be nodding their head in agreement. All the central themes that have shaped Rick’s primary campaign – rejecting stimulus funds, slamming socialized medicine, criticizing the bailout and out of control spending in Washington – can all be seen as indirect criticism of Kay, sure. But Rick is also echoing the themes that will dominate the Republican presidential primary in 2011 and 2012.
And all of Rick’s positive talking points (which mainly involve bragging on the Texas economy) also double as a national message – kind of like his own personal vision for the future of America. How many times in the last year has Rick claimed Texas is a “blueprint” for the nation? A blueprint for the nation on the economy…a blueprint for the nation on healthcare…a blueprint for the nation on border security. One of his campaign videos about the Texas economy is even called “Blueprint for Recovery.” Dave Carney has basically found a way for Rick to run for governor and president at the same time. It’s genius really.”
The negative for Perry is that the TX Monthly article is out less than one month before the gubernatorial primary, making him appear to be more interested in his political career than working for Texas, and he has to win that one first.
February 3, 2010 at 8:27 pm
I LOVE Perry, and intend to vote for him. I have a feeling he may have a future in national politics as well – he and Sarah Palin are good buddies. If he can do for the country what he has done for Texas, we’ll be in really good shape. (Plus, he’s an Aggie…)
February 3, 2010 at 9:20 pm
Sarah Palin endorsed Perry as “the true conservative”.
He earned the Eagle Scout rank and was a pilot in the Air Force.
I’ve voted for him in every statewide election he’s run in, starting with Agriculture Commissioner.
February 3, 2010 at 9:03 pm
February 3, 2010 at 4:49 pm
Can anyone tell me why the boyz hate Jindal for prez? He is doing a bang-up job in LA. Is it one crappy speech?
He WON the gov in LA in the PRIMARY.
I am mystified.
February 3, 2010 at 5:36 pm
I’m sure it’s cosmetic – but cosmetics are a killer in the age of television. Jindal is crazy-smart, but he looks like a kid who borrowed his dad’s suit.
February 3, 2010 at 6:00 pm
He performed an exorcism on someone and wrote about the success of it as well as pinning their friend when she tried to run away.
Apparently, she felt better after it was all finished (who wouldn’t), but it started with her on the floor having a seizure. And rather than give medical assistance like making sure she didn’t bite down on her tongue they pounced on the rather forceful religious solution. Nice friends…huh?
http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/06/bobby_jindals_dance_with_the_d.php
February 3, 2010 at 6:06 pm
Oh and they cured her cancer and foul mouth too.
February 3, 2010 at 6:29 pm
I don’t think he is qualified to run, he is not a Natural Born Citizen. I like Jindal a lot.
February 3, 2010 at 8:04 pm
Jindal was born in Baton Rouge on June 10,1971. He graduated from Brown and Oxford as a Rhodes Scholar.
February 3, 2010 at 4:50 pm
2012 is light years away in politics. Remember that this last election was going to be about the war in Iraq, but ended up being about the economy. The big issue for the next election won’t surface until the summer of 2012. As for who in the GOP can win, the same caution is in order. Three years before any of the past few Presidential races who really knew much about Bill Clinton, or George Bush, or Barack Obama? I kinda like Sarah Palin, but just don’t see her as much of a President. I’d rather vote for Hillary.
February 3, 2010 at 5:08 pm
I am for Sarah 2012 all the way, but I know it will be very hard. The media will go full bore non stop against her everyday.
We can beat them though if we stay energized and organized.
February 3, 2010 at 6:01 pm
The Only chance Obama has is if there is a sudden and massive improvement in the economy over the next year or so. As for the chances of a Democrat making it into the White house in 2012 after the mess that Obama has made, I would say they are slim and none at this stage. Then again you never know maybe Sarah will pick Hillary to be her running mate, stranger things have happened after all.
February 3, 2010 at 6:01 pm
I was a life time Democrat, until the DNC installed Obama. Due to incompetentcy, corruption problems I think he will be lucky to stay in office without being impeached could be sooner rather than later-he has more “issues” than anyone can imagine plus the baggage of too many terrorist attacks and he has not recognized them as the enemy, yet. What a great big fat failure.
As to a Republican candidate I would vote for a Republican President, but for me it is too early to tell-I like Scott Brown a lot if he fulfills the promise I see I think he would be a good bet, and lots of new folks are coming out of the Tea Parties (proud to be a member). Sarah is good too. I just think it’s to early to tell.
February 3, 2010 at 6:42 pm
“Dr. Utopia and the Unicorn-riders”
Worst band EVAH!
[and that is just sooooooo stolen]
February 3, 2010 at 7:02 pm
Does anyone think the DNC will run Hillary against O? I don’t think they will want to run anyone against the leader of their party. The DNC hand-picked O; I can’t seem them “owning up” to their mistake, and coming crawling back to Hillary to apologize and beg her to “save” them. Do you? I just don’t think they have it in them to do that…
February 3, 2010 at 7:29 pm
I don’t think Hillary will run or be run unless O is out of the race, like LBJ.
February 3, 2010 at 7:20 pm
I haven’t read all of the posts, so I hope this isn’t redundant, but this video is worth watching for a laugh.
http://www.pjtv.com/
“Talk Too Much” ZO
Post-American Bandstand.
I was just thinking today, for a president who demands so much air time, he sure is wrong about so many things.
February 3, 2010 at 7:43 pm
In my heart I’d really like to see Palin/Bachmann, thats my dream ticket, but Sarah may not want to inflict what will be a very dirty, bloody race on her family.
A lot of names have been mentioned but there may be a Mister X out there we haven’t thought or heard about yet. Bill Clinton was an X. He came out of nowhere and basically out-maneuvered the DNC who neither liked him or wanted him.
I think we’ll have a better picture of the field after the mid-terms which I think will be a full scale disaster for the Utopian party.
February 4, 2010 at 12:16 am
Palin/ Bachmann is my own personal dream ticket, too. You, me… that’s 2 votes…
February 3, 2010 at 7:44 pm
I think that in about a year, the Democrats will throw Obama under the bus for their own survival(“The One” is destroying the party). They cannot wait until 2012 to get rid of the guy because too much damage would be done. It would not surprise me at all if Obama were forced to step down. And since Joe Biden is a dud too, Hillary would step into POTUS.
This is the Democrats only chance to hold the party together.
February 3, 2010 at 7:53 pm
Pelosi is next in line behind Biden. OMG, Obama stepping down would be even WORSE. I’d have nightmares under a President Pelosi.
February 3, 2010 at 8:07 pm
I have nightmares under BO.
February 3, 2010 at 8:32 pm
Except that if Obama (or Biden) leaves office before his term is up, a new VP will be appointed (think Ford after Agnew resigned, then Nelson Rockefeller after Nixon resigned).
The only time that Pelosi would step in is if something were to happen to both Obama AND Biden, and even then, she would only be President until a new Pres/VP is either appointed or elected.
February 3, 2010 at 9:44 pm
If the House becomes a Republican majority in Nov. of this year, Pelosi will have to step down as Speaker in Jan. 2011.
February 3, 2010 at 10:15 pm
That is WHY I am NOT kidding when I say Michelle Bachmann for Speaker of the House! She is the ANTI-Pelosi!!!
And that is why she needs the $upport of like minded $ouls around the country. Pelosi has a bullseye on Bachmann for defeat…and the well spoken, media savvy Bachmann would be an awesome Speaker (and third in line).
February 3, 2010 at 7:49 pm
Dude: Have you been reading my mind? Watching me? YOU wrote absolutely exactly what I believe and agree with 100%. (expect I am not a lover of Hillery she self stated she is a moderate progressive) and the progressive word/person is like a vampire to me. Thanks for this great post.
February 3, 2010 at 7:49 pm
There’s no permanent damage. The pendulum swings back and forth. People forget. People get angry at the people in power. I just hope dr utopia gets kicked out.
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February 3, 2010 at 8:15 pm
At this point, it looks like “dems are dead in the water”. And if the economy doesn’t do a major turn-around, they are going to be even deader if that’s possible.
I would vote for Hillary if she ran in 2012 but I don’t think many other people would vote for her if she had the label “democrat” beside her name. If she were to become an “independent” or some other third party I don’t think it would help her. I think if she still has aspirations for the presidency she would be wise to sit out 2012.
I see a massacre at the polls for dems coming this November. The only way Obama is going to salvage his presidency will be to do what Bill Clinton did in 1994 but we’ve already seen a preview with Scott Brown’s election in Ma. Obama seems to have no “political instincts” and/or the courage to stand up to his handlers. Obama with the leadership of Pelosi and Reid have probably ruined the “democratic label” for years to come.
February 3, 2010 at 8:36 pm
Obama won’t change, because he doesn’t think he’s doing anything wrong, and nothing anyone can say or do will convince him otherwise. I ran across an article today that explains it perfectly:
http://www.safe-nz.org.nz/Articles/esteem.htm
An excerpt from this article:
“A revealing incident illuminates the attitudes of the narcissists. When a television news program did a feature on this experiment, we administered the test to several additional participants for the benefit of the cameras. One of them scored in the 98th percentile on narcissism and was quite aggressive during the study. Afterward he was shown the film and given the opportunity to refuse to let it be aired. He said to put it on – he thought he looked great.
Bushman then took him aside and explained that he might not want to be seen by a national audience as a highly aggressive narcissist. After all, the footage showed him using severe profanity when receiving his evaluation, then laughing while administering the highest permitted levels of aggression . The man shrugged this off with a smile and said he wanted to be on television.
When Bushman proposed that the television station at least digitise his face to hide his identity, the man responded with an incredulous no. In fact, he said, he wished the program could include his name and phone number.”
February 3, 2010 at 8:59 pm
Very interesting. Thanks for the link. I’d have to agree with you that it does appear Obama doesn’t see that he is doing anything wrong. That probably explains his lack of “political instincts”. And he is like the “narcissist” in the study. He loves to be in the public eye and it doesn’t seem to matter whether the coverage of him is “good” or “bad” (although admittedly until recently, MSM with a few exceptions had covered him favorably)
February 3, 2010 at 8:18 pm
Please take a look at Jim Demint… very conservative and not at all afraid to stand up for what he believes is right or should be done. He has already outlined just exactly what he is going to do to Harry Rieid & co by means of procedural moves if they try to jam hcr through on reconciliation. He will have them tied in knots and all over the newspapers from now till the polls open in Nov. McConnell hates him because he keeps doing McConnell’s JOB for him. I think he’s great and he even takes calls-emails-faxes from non constituants which I happen to like… a lot of them won’t.
February 3, 2010 at 8:30 pm
HillBuzz,
the thing is these radical chicago lunatics have not only damaged the Democrat brand severely, no one will trust them with power for a LONG time.
I was a lifelong staunch loyal democrat until 2008, after I saw what they did to Hillary I cannot forgive them.
The thing is its convering people like me, loyal dems, into conservative Independents.
I know the day Scott Brown won, I wasn’t so much as happy that he won as much as he would be the 41th vote against the RationCare being crammed down America’s throats..
oh yea, today, I heard Blanche Lincoln say “I will listen to my constitutents, etc”
but seriosuly, would I want to trust these lunatics with power again? HELL NO!
and heck, I am a ex-democrat saying this.
This doesn’t mean I am a repub, no, I a tea Party independent, conservative in pretty much most sense, but I am a social moderate/centrist.
I still get the DNC crap, I think its hilarious they insult tea party people, if they only knew how many dems and independents like me agree and see ourselves as Tea Party patriots.
DOesn’t surprise me one bit, these are the same luncatics who kept insulting Hillary dems like me and then expected me to vote for that marxist fraud.
I just hope the Tea Party movement realises the reason they are popular and growing more so is b/c their main issues are things like fiscal discipline, and national security strenght, and free market principles, and no cap n tax, respect for the US constitution, respect for what this country was founded on. Their main trust is NOT social issues, so people like me who are pro-choice, moderate on social issues feel a part of the Tea party movment.
February 3, 2010 at 8:38 pm
For instance this Democratic Governors Association letter. As Dana says, “precious.” My favorite phrase in the letter: “kowtowing to special interests whose political hero is Sarah Palin.” Hmm. Maybe I don’t understand this term “special interests” after all. We’re a “special interest” representing… liberty? America?
http://thedanashow.wordpress.com/2010/02/03/democratic-governors-association-releases-tirade-against-voters/
February 3, 2010 at 8:41 pm
lol… yep.. special interests… I guess to them american interests are “special interest”
Can’t wait to get my next pre-paid envelop from the DNC or the DNCC, I will be sending them my receipts of donations to SARAHPAC and Scott Brown
February 3, 2010 at 8:47 pm
Was it here? Somewhere I saw people who got DNC (this could work for RNC too) donation requests using the prepaid envelopes to send all sorts of heavy things back in them, thereby costing the party leadership money rather than earning it for them. I heartily advocate such measures. Heck, I’m thinking about joining a political party just so I can do that.
February 3, 2010 at 9:58 pm
It was here. They have it up over on the strategy page.
February 3, 2010 at 8:44 pm
Apparently someone got a message from the Democratic Governor’s Association, asking for a donation so that they could defeat the “teabaggers” – an offensive term that I, for one, am TIRED of hearing. So I wrote them a letter (I sent a slightly modified version of this letter to the Associated Press a couple of days ago, after they used that word in one of their press releases):
Dear DGA,
I am writing to you to ask that you please screen all of the items that you release and replace the use of the word “tea-bagger” with “Tea Party”, “tea-partier”, “Tea Party Movement member”, etc. I do not know if you are aware – Lord knows that I wasn’t until a few days after I heard the word – that it is an extremely disrespectful sexual slur.
I am sure that an organization such as yours would never dream of using a racial or religious slur to describe a person or a group of people; it shows a distinct lack of professionalism to continue to use the “teabag” term for a group of people who are doing nothing more than exercising their Constitutional right to disagree with what members of their government are doing.
The people in the Tea Party movement haven’t said much about this because they are good people who don’t want to blow things out of proportion. In the past, this term has been used by members of the press who are known to be on the “fringe” of the opinion media. However, when it starts to be used as part of the mainstream lexicon, it sounds as if people are condoning this type of personal slur.
I don’t know who else to contact to ensure that the use of this term is discontinued – I am sure that elected officials such as yourselves do not want to be seen in this light, and I hope that you will pass this along to your colleagues – I would hate for this to have to be taken to the court system as either libel or “hate” speech.
Thank you for your time,
Teresa Koch
New Parent Packet Coordinator
Down Syndrome Partnership of Tarrant County
February 3, 2010 at 9:33 pm
Here is a guy I really like: Jon Huntsman Jr. He was the gov of Utah and his name had been mentioned until The Won sent him on a slow boat to China as in ambassador. He speaks fluent Chinese, would be excellent in finance and foreign policy. His father is a billionaire so they have plenty of money for him to run. He has eight kids and a his wife did a lot of charitable things for women and teens in Utah. Don’t know how long ambassadors are for.
February 3, 2010 at 9:50 pm
If the Democrats can split the Republican vote the Democrats will win. I have to say I am a little anxious about not having a leader in the Republican party at this point. I love Sarah Palin but she is not ready in my opinion and would not win. The Democrats would LOVE her to run and she knows this. She is smart and knows this would split the vote. I am leaning toward Mitt Romney and hope in the next year he comes out more and takes the lead. He did a great job for Scott Brown and he has the authority and intelligence…we just have to see what happens this November.
February 3, 2010 at 10:02 pm
This is an interesting question folks talk about a lot. Can’t remember who made this point, but it made sense.
NO party has a leader unless they are in power, and that is the president. Until then, you have people in competition to be the leader.
Probably the closest there came to an exception was Bill Clinton.
Just a thought.
February 3, 2010 at 9:55 pm
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SOMETHING IN THE AIR
Dem panic! Anti-tea-party ads tied to Obama eligibility
Campaign seeks to convince voters: ‘This movement is a fad’
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Posted: February 01, 2010
8:39 pm Eastern
By Chelsea Schilling
© 2010 WorldNetDaily
A major ad campaign sweeping the Internet is revealing who is most afraid of the spirited tea-party movement this election year.
Democrat operatives – using the same suite address for an attorney who represented the Democratic National Committee in an eligibility lawsuit against President Obama – have launched an ad campaign and website called TheTeaPartyIsOver.org to “prevent the tea party’s dangerous ideas from gaining legislative traction.”
In the wake of Scott Brown’s dramatic victory for the U.S. Senate seat in Massachusetts, the energized national tea-party movement is targeting lawmakers deemed unresponsive to Americans. The anti-tea party website comes as Illinois will have its first-in-the-nation primaries Tuesday.
“Our strategy is simple. This movement is a fad,” the website states. “Some of their ideas include the belief that programs like Social Security and Medicare are socialistic and should never have been created in the first place and that President Obama is a socialist.”
Fed up with the condescending clowns in Congress? Send them a “pink slip!”
The group’s ad, paid for and approved by the American Public Policy Committee, has appeared on numerous websites. It urges Americans to “reject the ideas of the tea party.”
“Other ideas include undermining the legitimacy of the federal government in favor of a radical rightwing form of state’s rights,” the website continues. “We need to prevent their dangerous ideas from gaining a legislative foothold. So our strategy is to spread the truth about their dangerous ideas and prevent their policies from taking root in America.”
Ads have also appeared on Facebook and Twitter, where the group asks tweeters, “Scared of the teabaggers’ crazy ideas?” and encourages them to visit the website.
The American Public Policy Committee shares an identical suite address with the Alliance for North Carolina; the Patriot Majority; and Sandler, Reiff & Young PC – the law firm of Joseph Sandler, general counsel to the Democratic National Committee who filed a motion to dismiss Philip Berg’s eligibility lawsuit against Obama and the DNC. Sandler is also former counsel to both MoveOn.org and the Council on American-Islamic Relations, a Muslim group named an unindicted co-conspirator in the largest terrorist-finance case in U.S. history.
A message left with TheTeaPartyIsOver.org was not returned.
According to IRS records, the American Public Policy Committee is located at 300 M Street SE, Suite 1102, Washington, D.C., 20003.
According to IRS records, the American Public Policy Committee is located at 300 M Street SE, Suite 1102, Washington, D.C., 20003. The group is an independent political organization under section 527 of the Internal Revenue Code.
The following is a Google Maps image of the building where the suite is located.
Image of 300 M Street SE, Washington, D.C.
The committee lists Craig Varoga and George Rakis as directors. As of Jan 28, 2010, Steve Bouchard has been listed as director as well.
The following are brief biographies for each of the American Public Policy Committee’s directors:
Craig Varoga – Independent Strategies political strategist and campaign manager for former Iowa Gov. Tom Vilsack’s campaign for president. He ran the state-research program for the 1996 Clinton-Gore re-election and is a former communications director for Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid. He is founder of the Patriot Majority and its affiliates: Patriot Majority West, Patriot Majority Midwest, Patriot Majority New Mexico and Patriot Majority for a Strong America. Patriot Majority and Patriot Majority West are the major 2010 contributors to the American Public Policy Committee. Varoga was a guest at a White House event in July 2009.
George Rakis – Political strategist who works for Independent Strategies. He served as political director of Democratic Governor’s Association from 2005 to 2006. He was campaign director for the Michigan Democratic Party. In 2004, Rakis became the regional political director for the Democratic National Committee.
Steve Bouchard – Political strategist who runs Bouchard Strategies and has worked for Sen. Mark Warner, D-Va.; Gov. Ted Strickland, D-Ohio; former Sen. Bob Graham, D-Fla.; former Sen. Bob Kerrey, D-Neb.; and then-Sen. Hillary Clinton. Bouchard served as senior political adviser Sen. Evan Bayh, D-Ind., ran Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign in South Carolina and also worked as a campaign manager for Al Gore’s Alliance for Climate Protection/Repower America campaign.
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TheTeaPartyIsOver.org specifically attacks Randy Hultgren, a Republican Illinois state senator and candidate for U.S. Congress from the 14th District; Arie Friedman, former military pilot and combat veteran of Desert Storm running for U.S. Congress in Illinois’ 10th District; and David McAloon, television producer and business consultant running for U.S. Congress in Illinois’ 11th District. It provides telephone numbers and tells visitors to call Hultgren, Friedman and McAloon and tell then to “reject the dangerous ideas of the Tea Party.”
Anti-tea party ad urges Americans to “reject the ideas of the tea party”
With Illinois’ primaries tomorrow, some say the state’s primaries will be an early ballot test of the tea-party movement. Polls show Illinois voters say they are dissatisfied with the direction of the state and the country.
“Illinois is next,” Pat Brady, chairman of the state Republican Party, told the New York Times. “The political environment is worse here for Democrats than it was in Massachusetts.”
President Obama’s old Senate seat, the Illinois governorship and several House seats are targets this election year.
TheTeaPartyIsOver.org has connections to numerous unions, including the Service Employees International Union, or SEIU, and the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees, or AFSCME, a major public-employee and health-care union.
In 2008, AFSCME publicly endorsed Obama, spent $50 million for “voter education” on his behalf and mobilized more than 40,000 volunteers to campaign for him.
The top two financial backers of the American Public Policy Committee this year are Varoga’s Patriot Majority West and Patriot Majority, predominantly funded by unions.
According to records, during the 2008 election cycle, AFSCME donated $5.8 million and SEIU gave $770,000 to Patriot Majority. Change to Win gave $500,000 and Teamsters Union donated an additional $250,000. United Food & Commercial Workers Union contributed $125,000, and the Pennsylvania AFL-CIO donated $6,500 to the organization. In 2009, the group received $270,250 from SEIU.
WND reported when SEIU members appeared at national town-hall meetings in droves last year to support the administration’s health-care plans. Obama specifically called on some SEIU members who asked him non-compromising questions.
WND also reported when Obama boasted of his track record of working with the Illinois-based SEIU, helping it “build more and more power” promising to “paint the nation purple with SEIU.” He credited the SEIU with helping get elected to the U.S. Senate.
“SEIU, I’m glad you’re with me,” he declared. “Let’s together change the country.”
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February 3, 2010 at 10:11 pm
I disagree that emperor ogabe is a mere socialist – I believe he’s a marxist. Other than that….
February 3, 2010 at 10:16 pm
VERY IMPORTANT FOR TEA PARTY PEOPLE TO READ & UNDERSTAND
****Illinois Shows Limitations of Tea Party Movement
Link: http://biggovernment.com/wthuston/2010/02/03/illinois-shows-limitat...
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February 3, 2010 at 10:36 pm
Wow…great thread…
My thoughts…Obama will not seek reelection. Period. He will site ‘health reasons’ and either resign (President Biden then) or NOT run again.
Why? I think he is bored with it all (well other than the Wednesday night parties; the great, free tee times; and the sweet rides–from AF1 to that souped up Caddy). The Won, for the first time, since he was a Dairy Queener (and I do know it was B/R…I just like femming the ‘cool one’) is now having to ‘work.’ And dudes/dudettes that is NOT what Barry signed on for.
Being a true narcissist, he ‘put his skin in the game’ for the adulation; historical deity references, and aforementioned “perks”
Look for Barry, upon his recovery, to go for UN Secretary General (President of the World!!!)
Given the meteoric downfall of the Dims…I foresee their 2012 candidate as a sacrificial lamb. Kinda ‘we have to run someone…’
The R’s have to run an ANTI-Obama…with the obvious choice being Palin. If she declines…well then ‘new guard’ party members (Brown, Ryan)…NOT ‘old guard’ stand bys, Romney, Huckabee, Pawlenty, Santorum (yes, he is being mentioned as well!).
Jindal would be a great Cabinet member…something wonkish; Romney, the FED; Guilianni–Homeland Security; and for Press Secretary…Liz Cheney.
February 4, 2010 at 10:49 am
Brown doesn’t have enough experience to even dream of running for Prez. He can be easily compared to Obama for the experience level by 2012, which we all know is extremely lacking.
February 3, 2010 at 11:54 pm
I think Colin Powell will run as a Democrat and would win a lot of the independents back. He would also solidify the Obama voters, so I think he would have a real shot.
February 4, 2010 at 8:18 am
I don’t think Colin Powell will switch. He’s military and the military is traditionally Republican. He’s more military than political…in my opinion.
February 4, 2010 at 12:11 pm
I don’t think powel would stand a chance. Firstmany poeple do not trust him after his UN speech amount Iraq.
Then he came out and endorsed Obama and it seem it was ONLY because of his race.
February 4, 2010 at 12:10 am
If Hillary chooses to run, she will win. case closed. In a debate she would eat Sarah’s shoes for the fun of it.
February 4, 2010 at 9:01 pm
A debate between Sarah and Hillary..OMG! Hillary laugher and Sarah’s accent. I think the cutest and youngest wins anyways.Besides Hillary might already have the O in her last name LOL
February 4, 2010 at 10:47 am
The problem I see with any Dem running for any office in 2010 and 2012 is that “party loyalty” is what got the Dems in hot water with the voters. Even the ones that will finally decide to stand up and say no to Obamacare and Cap & Tax (and now Obama’s 2011 budget) will have this problem…the Dems, en masse, supported those things, the bailouts, the pork stimulus, etc., out of loyalty to the party BEFORE they decided to listen to the people and change their position. People will NOT trust the Dems, en masse, in response. It won’t matter if they are running for re-election, a newbie, or someone like Hillary, people aren’t going to trust anyone with the D behind their name, period. It was that lack of trust of the Repubs that got so many Dems elected in 2008. People will not tolerate what the Dems have done and see that the Repubs weren’t as bad as they thought after all. But hey, that’s just my opinion.
February 4, 2010 at 11:19 am
they are both ‘just as bad’. If you ‘believe’ ANY politician,, you need your head examined. Its always, always a choice between the lesser of two evils.
February 4, 2010 at 11:30 am
True, but people have the most current, fresh, or whatever you want to call it, wounds from the Dems.