Here’s an idea we wish we had ourselves, first: the Clinton/Palin Consensus Series, a running series of articles that www.Conservatives4Palin.com intends to publish detailing areas Governor Sarah Palin and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton have in common.
We look forward to every edition — and plan on writing some of these ourselves, which we’d love C4P to cross-publish.
Honestly, we should have thought to do this months ago. One of the most frequent things concern-trolls do around here is leave little stink bombs in comments saying, “Oh, we love Hillary too. And we know people who like Palin, but we just don’t understand how people can like both because they are so far removed from one another ideologically that their supporters shoud be natural enemies”.
Remember, the definition of a concern-troll is someone who first says they agree with you, so that they get the comment through moderation…but then they put in the little nuggets that try to divide people or attack Hillary in subtle ways. We have been dealing with these trolls for almost two years now at this point. One of their favorite points of comment post-election has been our unending support for Governor Palin while maintaining our loyalty to Hillary Clinton.
The only, and we mean ONLY way we’d back off our vocal support of Palin would be if she and Hillary Clinton were going to face-off in the 2012 presidential race.
We actually see the rise of Sarah Palin as one of the pressure points that could force Dr. Utopia not to seek a second term, which would hand the nomination on the Dems side to Hillary Clinton. If Utopia sees he’ll be beaten by Palin, with her becoming the first female Republican presidential nominee, then Democrats would sure be smart to dump Mr. HopeyChangey and let a grown up take the 2012 race…nominating the first female on the Democrats’ side, too.
And don’t concern-troll about gender identity politics here. Hillary Clinton happens to be the most qualified Democrat to run for president in 2012, and that’s including the current occupant of the White House. At the same time, yes it is very much indeed time a woman holds this office. We want to see a woman president.
Would we help Claire McCaskill, Kay Bailey Hutchinson, Jennifer Granholm (if she was legally allowed to run), Janet Napolitano, Kathleen Sebelius, or other women we either don’t like or don’t think have done well in their jobs recently, just to get a woman president?
No.
Not on your life.
We would rail against the misogyny and sexism they’d women would receive for daring to run for president, though. That, we would do. But we’d have to believe in and genuinely like the candidate to put another two years of our lives and all of our money on the line to work for another campaign.
We’d do it for Hillary in a heartbeat.
We’d do it for Sarah too.
And we don’t think we’re alone in this.
C4P is proving that with its Consenus Series, of which we not only look forward to reading with great interest, but hopefully can contribute to from the moderate Dem side of things.
November 18, 2009 at 8:46 pm
I think Hillary and Sarah ought to have a series of lectures/public conversations, etc., what ever you want to call them – all around the country.
One focus would naturally be “women’s rights” and “women in public service today.”
November 18, 2009 at 8:46 pm
Do them together I mean – as a team.
November 18, 2009 at 8:47 pm
It could happen.
November 18, 2009 at 9:47 pm
Yes, it could. Who would be a corporate sponsor for something like that? We need to put our heads together on this.
November 19, 2009 at 9:51 am
Maybe a university such as SMU or another university, or perhaps some non-profit such as the American Enterprise Institute?
Not PBS though! They’re too rascist!
November 19, 2009 at 9:52 am
Snark Snark!
Remember Gwen Awful last year?
November 19, 2009 at 11:23 am
I concur. Kind of a ‘unifer’ tour. Girl power with gravitas. I wonder…are their books (Hillary’s was very good…but got over shadowed by the Ayer’s bio-epic) published by the same company? That could be a good jumping off point!!!
November 19, 2009 at 12:04 pm
Texas A&M would LOVE to have them – they already have the George Bush library there, there are LOTS of conservative students (as well as a large Corps of Cadets), and the students were kind enough to protest (respectfully, of course – they’re Aggies, after all) when Obama was there last month.
SMU did NOT want George W. to build his library there (even though that is where it will be) – the students there are a little too liberal for a get-together like this one would be.
Also, A&M has some HUGE venues that could hold the large crowds that could be expected to attend. (Did I mention that’s my Alma Mater, and one of my daughters is currently a student there?…..)
Anyway, I know that they would be thrilled to have something like that on their campus!
November 19, 2009 at 1:05 pm
What a wonderful idea! Coming together of two smart, intelligent, independent thinking women who love this country and it pours out from every fiber of their beings. What the liberal left would be afraid of is that Hillary and Sarah would find more common ground than differences and actually discuss issues rather than cover up and lie about things. It would be apparent that a woman could definitely be president and that is something the boys club does not want anyone to know. Save a seat for me!!!
November 18, 2009 at 9:00 pm
It’s hard to explain why I like both Hillary and Palin when they are allegedly such ideological opposites. But for one, they both have a love of country that comes across loud and clear. They can be trusted to always do what they think is in the best interests of their country, no matter how great the sacrifice. They also both have a servant’s heart, empathy for the people they serve. They don’t regard public office as a trophy, as something you “win,” they see it as a vehicle for service. They both have gone into politics to make real people’s lives better. And they both speak of giving, of needing to serve, not because they want kudos or to build a legacy or to go down in history, but because they feel like they have been so blessed themselves that they must pass it along, give back in gratitude for what they have received.
You just couldn’t ask for more in a couple of public servants. I don’t want empty words and party platform promises anymore, I want good public servants.
November 19, 2009 at 9:45 am
Maybe because they actually do have more in common – such as love of country, love of their com-patriots, love of public service, etc……- than what separates them.
The GOPpers and Democrats have been playing games of divide and conquer now for decades, with the Fed. Government becoming nothing but an “Old Boys Club.” The “msm” :::cough cough:::: has become another “Old Boys Club” too.
Oh, both will allow an occasional womam in, if she’ll act like the dirtiest Old Boy………. Look at Peloosie!
November 18, 2009 at 9:05 pm
I know that this is a little off topic, but did anyone else see the video of Martha Stewart trashing Sarah Palin? She was being interviewed at a charity event. She said Sarah was “dangerous” because she is “confused”. And because of that a person like her is “dangerous” in politics. She said she wouldn’t watch her interviews if “you paid me”. Sorry I don’t have a link, but I saw it on my WOW home page, and also saw it at AOL video, I think it was.
I just cancelled two subscriptions that were up for renewal. I won’t read any of her publications, even “if you paid me.”
November 18, 2009 at 9:12 pm
Haha.
I think it is Martha that’s “a little confused.” About her taxes, among other things….
November 18, 2009 at 9:17 pm
Has Martha forgotten that she WENT TO JAIL??????? That makes HER the “dangerous” one, no?
November 18, 2009 at 9:30 pm
Here’s the AOL link.
November 19, 2009 at 12:37 am
Obviously prison life has not been good to Martha stewart
November 19, 2009 at 11:36 am
Cancelling Palinhater Stewart’s publication…’its a good thing.’
November 18, 2009 at 9:30 pm
Here is the link! lol
http://video.aol.ca/video-detail/stewart-lashes-out-at-palin/1158984560/?icid=VIDLRVNWS05
November 18, 2009 at 9:44 pm
thank you to all those who are cancelling Martha Stewart’s magazine, she is a snob of epic proportions… even tried to run down her own husband (a E documentary), the hubby had to file restraining order agn this lunatic.
I think these people have no clue how much Sarah is resonating with normal average, dems and repubs and indies.
the more they trash her, the MORE readership/viewership they will lose.
Cancel Martha’s magazine… NOT WORTH THE MONEY..
November 18, 2009 at 10:31 pm
I always thought she was psycho. Very controlled emotions, very controlled body movements.
That’s what serial killers do. LOL.
Hey, Martha, you lying jailbird:
Didn’t Kmart file for bankruptcy because of you?
I would rather sleep on sand paper than buy your cheap sheets, you ex-con.
November 18, 2009 at 9:46 pm
You guys might be reading my mind Couldn’t agree more.
November 18, 2009 at 9:49 pm
And people, we need to bombard that moron Evan Thomas at Newsweek with that bogus cover taken from Runner’s World. He is a horse’s ass and needs to lose his job.
November 18, 2009 at 10:33 pm
I’m guessing that Newsweek owns runner’s world, otherwise the use of her image would be illegal if it was a professional shoot.
I hope Sarah’s lawyers are looking into it.
Ahhh, never mind.
Sarah is too busy with important things like BEING CLASSY.
Hey, Martha Stewart: You could learn something from this woman.
November 18, 2009 at 10:44 pm
It WAS illegal. Turns out that Runners World had exclusive rights to the photo until August 2010. The photographer won’t cop to it, however and claims some third party gave the rights that they didn’t have to give.
November 18, 2009 at 10:14 pm
Ok, so I had quite the afternoon. I went to my local conservative radio station’s “smack down,” at Toby Keith’s in Phoenix. They were discussing health care, and socialism ect. Anyway, I networked. I had an amazing time even though the restaurant service sucked. Probably better though because I didn’t drink like I could have with all the fun I was having. I started collecting email addresses and since I haven’t done any of this before, I spent way too much time talking than collecting. Can I just tell you how great the people in this country are. I met four ex vets, a truckload of bikers, and many patriots who are disgusted with Dr. Utopia’s prescription for our country. And since I realized I am sitting on a melting pot goldmine in Phoenix, I explained that Phoenix was a saltlick for the midwest and I was networking to keep the caucuses clean there for the 2010 and 2012 campaigns and I was greeted with nothing but support. I am taking off work and going to Sarah’s book signing on Dec. 1st. I am going early and I am working the lines. We need to establish a place to put all our collaborative emails and contacts to let them know when we need them to get their midwest relatives and friends to the precincts. I am more hopeful than I have ever been. No wonder Sarah and Hillary love to mingle with us real people.
November 18, 2009 at 10:35 pm
Damn, you are an inspiration!!!!!
November 19, 2009 at 8:20 am
I’ll second that!!!
November 18, 2009 at 10:16 pm
You guys have made my google reader exciting again!
November 18, 2009 at 10:47 pm
Ugh. Glee has forsaken me. The parents on the show who kicked out their daughter for being pregnant, are a couple of lushes who LOVE Glenn Beck. They’re officially on thin Ice with me.
November 18, 2009 at 10:54 pm
Yep, bigotry that some see as truth.
November 19, 2009 at 10:56 am
Right because only alcoholics could love Beck.
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Conservatives suck, dontcha know?
November 19, 2009 at 11:51 am
Even worse, I remember Beck talking about the movie “Juno” in tears. About how much he loves his daughter(s), wants the best in the world for them and would be heartsick if it happened.
Note– Heartbroken for them, but loving and supporting as a parent. I also remember the story of him adopting Rafe (from a teenage Mom) and if you don’t cry hearing it, you’re heartless.
IOW< I'm more offended at the assumption that a conservative parent linked to GB would harm-abandon their pregnant child. It shows that they're bigots who know absolutely NOTHING about the man and even less about conservatives.
OK, these are the scales that fall last…news is one thing, but when it's wrapped in a package as cute as 'Glee', I mean, how can it be wrong?? /snark
November 18, 2009 at 11:29 pm
I have reserved Liberals 4 Palin on blogspot.
http://liberals4palin.blogspot.com/
I have a few posts up to start things off. I can give you guys posting privileges if you are interested.
Or hold it in reserve for when campaigning gets intense.
You guys are already on the sidebar.
November 18, 2009 at 11:31 pm
The first post:
This is a liberal blog. Classical Liberal. Libertarians. PUMAs. Republicans. And all advocates of smaller government Welcome. Critics too.
http://liberals4palin.blogspot.com/
November 18, 2009 at 11:42 pm
Just went over and read it- looks good.
November 19, 2009 at 12:02 am
Dear Hillbuzz Team-
Love your energy and ideas. Thanks for sharing your lessons and passion with us. We need it.
November 19, 2009 at 12:09 am
I think the groundswell of support for a Clinton/Palin summit is that so very many people are recognizing that both are patriots who’s visions of this country never included an unattainable socialist government where wealth is redistributed and a goal that is to allow everyone to attain a level of mediocrity – except the leaders – who can retain as much of their own money as they want.
Let’s face it – Dr. Utopia is helping America to achieve Hope and Change – just not in the way he envisioned it. Most of America is seeing how he is quickly destroying this country economically and taking away our individual freedoms and people are waking up. We see Sarah and Hillary and their ideals and fortitude and goals and know that there is a way out of the Obama nightmare we’re embroiled in. We look at Sarah and Hillary and see 2 people with differing opinions on specifics – but a common belief that the USA is still a place where if you work hard and achieve – you can still be successful. Unlike Obama – who was going to be The One to bring everyone together – Sarah and Hillary seem to be doing it.
I just wish I knew what Hillary’s plan is. The longer she stays in her SOS position, the more she will be viewed as an Obama lackey – and not even a strong lackey since he has basically taken away the importance of the SOS position by his appointments that have taken the SOS power away from Hillary.
November 19, 2009 at 12:11 am
Palin supporters + Hillary supporters = smart strategy.
Palin needs to convert disaffected PUMAs.
November 19, 2009 at 12:44 am
Although I am not a Hillary fan, and am unsure about Palin, I tend to agree that both ladies could make a good POTUS. There are two other women that would be suitable: Michelle Bachmann and Dianne Feinstein. I do think that Feinstein is an outsider but there are times that she shows that she has a lot more grit and determination with regard to the USA than Dr. Utopia. None of the other women who have been mentioned, especially Napolitano and Sebelius could ever be considered since they really do suck and they are truly corrupt. I do not know if there is a whiff of corruption about Feinstein, what I do not like about her is the way that she released secret information regarding CIA matters earlier this year. On the other hand she has come out strongly on some of the same national safety issues, and that is why I think that she could be a female contender. It is an outside chance in my view.
I do think that Hillary made a very big mistake agreeing to be SoS. She has not shined in that job and has made quite a few gaffes. I think that she is being hamstrung by Utopia’s inconsistencies…. anyway that is my thought on the subject. I realise that she cannot speak out against the latest to have KSM tried in New York, but I am betting that she is furious over that decision. If so, then I really do hope that Palin and Clinton meet and that they come up with a strategy to put a woman in the White House as POTUS.
November 19, 2009 at 9:12 pm
Oh yes, she must be furious. I would wager serious money that she and Egobama had a long talk, and she insisted it not happen. Then she must have insisted that her answer not include her agreeing with the decision. Before she goes on any of these shows she is briefed on what she can/should say. I bet she briefed them that she would not say that she thinks this is a good idea.
November 19, 2009 at 2:17 am
Where does Liz Cheney fit in here?
November 19, 2009 at 3:46 am
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November 19, 2009 at 8:52 am
I just finished a Zogby poll and as usual, it was one of those “OK, so this is how they’re going to paint the picture.”
Questions about illegal aliens, lots about BO’s job performance, what type of candidate I’d vote for if the election was tomorrow, my religion, age, geographic location, education level, political party and TADA!!!….do I like Nascar???
I could see it now ‘Well, you KNOW all those rural conservatives that don’t like BO belong to the Republican party, have less than a GED, an income less than 30k, belong to some super fundy church and LOVE Nascar!’
They also played a trick or two, by making two states, A and B, then asking which you agreed with. HOWEVER, the check boxes were B and A. Subtle, but a way to make folks answer the opposite of what they believe.
November 19, 2009 at 8:55 am
that is ’statements’ not states. pphhhhlllttt!
November 19, 2009 at 11:01 am
Forest Gump has the edge on these people.
“Please answer our stereotypical questions in order to support our kneejerk stereotypical hypothesis, so that we can walk around spewing it like it was some sort of universal truth…”
November 19, 2009 at 11:55 am
Well, I live in a farm, live in the deep south, am high church RC, have 2 advanced degrees (one science, one art), have piercings, tattoos, am over 50, don’t care for Nascar, have a dance group (one member is a drag queen) and yes, I’m conservative.
They’re going to have a heck of at time putting me in a box. And most conservatives I know are like that too.
November 19, 2009 at 10:43 am
The liberal left mind-set is still strong to believe that conservatives are right-wing nutcakes and that is across the board. They cannot credit Sarah Palin (or any republican for that matter) with having any good ideas. I know, I used to be one of them. ALL conservatives are dismissed and they cannot separate the forest for the trees. Therefore, honest people like Sarah Palin cannot be seen for who they really are, someone who LOVES this country, wants us to succeed, wants the economy back on track, wants to put Americans to work, wants energy independence so we can stop this bowing down to foreign dictators, and so much more. Unfortunately, people like Martha Stewart, Andrea Mitchell, Keith Olbermann, and the like will continue to trash Sarah and anyone like her as they cannot get out of the mind-set that just thinks that she is an “idiot”.
November 19, 2009 at 5:53 pm
Ooooh, you just reminded me of Andrea Mitchell’s coverage last night of the Sarah book tour phenom!! She was oozing disapproval out every pore. I swear, she’s going to get even worse lines around her mouth if she keeps making her lips look like that whenever Sarah Barracuda appears:)
November 19, 2009 at 11:51 am
Not a troll and I am not a Hillary supporter. However I was very impressed at Hillbuzz and other Hillary supporters devotion and willingness to listen to the conservative side.
About presidential nominations. The losing candidate never gets a chance again so McCain, thankfully is out.
Typically Democrats never nominate a losing candidate for the nomination. Check to see if I am wrong ,but that is what I recall.
The GOP does nominate the loser often. Reagan, Bush, McCain etc.
Hilary would have been better than Obama since I do believe she is pro American and he is not. Even Biden is better.
Hillary age goes against her and that is a shame but age works against a women more than a man. Sarah is still young enough to wait.
Hillary has been shafted as Sec of State. Obama has usurped SOS functions and given them to others. I don’t expect Hillary to stay in that position long.
She has been insulted a lot. That will free both her and Bill from supporting any Obama’s idiocy. I believe that the lack of respect has been greater from the Obama camp than from the conservative camp and that is a lot.
November 19, 2009 at 1:37 pm
I agree – Hillary should exit SOS next year. The damage Obama has done to that position is tremendous.
November 19, 2009 at 1:30 pm
One reason I am able to overlook Palin’s belief on gay marriage and choice is because she believes gays are actual human beings. She believes women who have abortions are actual human beings. She empathizes with them, she understands where they might be coming from. If you listen to her enough you pick up on this. She has no hatred for either group.
Now contrast that to Obama. I’m sorry, but that man hates women and he’s a serious homophobe. I don’t care what he reads off his teleprompter or what he claims to support, he doesn’t view women as full human beings, he views them as an inconvenient group he must pander to.
I don’t want empty words, I want public servants that at least recognize people as being people, entitled to respect and human rights. Palin and I have a disagreement about how to go about things, we don’t have a disagreement about the value and human dignity of the people we are advocating for.
November 20, 2009 at 8:01 am
I think that a true Christian never hates a person, even if they disagree with what that person does. The thought isn’t exactly this, but what you may hear a Christian say is: “Hate the sin, but love the sinner”.
November 19, 2009 at 5:45 pm
Have I mentioned this week that I love you guys?? How much more hateful does the msm have to be toward Sarah Palin (or any other conservative woman) for women on the left to realize it’s sexism, pure and simple? And I say again, Hillary’s been shoved in a corner as SOS, something even this conservative can see is wrong. I keep comparing the amount of media coverage Condi Rice received to the occasional blips Hillary is allowed to make on the radar and say “What the heck??” Your fairminded blogging gives this old girl from Kansas a reason to smile this week!
November 19, 2009 at 9:16 pm
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November 19, 2009 at 9:21 pm
I’m a bit more conservative than you Hillbuzz folks. I never was a big Hillary fan – but I was still very disgusted by the way she was treated during the primary. (And the way she’s being treated now – big mistake, Hill, and I know you’re smart enough to know it)And Clinton would have been 1000 times better than the America-hating Marxist who shows the world every day that he’s in way over his head.
Thanks for your blog. I believe it’s true that both conservatives and moderates need to find a consensus and work together instead of ripping into each other while “Baby Jesus” flushes this country straight into the toliet.
November 21, 2009 at 6:45 pm
I am not a political expert of any sort, but if Hillary challenges Obama in a 2012 primary she beats him. Soundly. Oh, things could change between now and then, but the exhaustion and frustration of watching the amateur flail will only get worse.
As a conservative I have no idea who the Republicans could run that would beat her. It probably won’t be Palin if I’m reading the mood right. It certainly will be someone whom the public is confident is ready, capable and moderate.
Anyway, that’s my take, any Republican beats Obama, Hillary beats Obama, Don’t know if anybody could be her.