Here’s a very detailed, big-thinking article over at RealClearPolitics that is well worth a read when you have time to sit down, take a few notes, and really contemplate it: Can the Clinton Coalition Survive the Age of Obama?
It’s FASCINATING…but very detailed, and we honestly had to re-read it a few times to fully appreciate the thousand or so important things that it said.
Essentially, the authors look at the Coalition Bill Clinton assembled in 1996 for his second term, bringing “Jacksonian Democrats” back to the fold. These are, essentially, the “Reagan Democrats” who ditched the party in DROVES after Jimmy Carter…the same people who, in 2008, Dr. Utopia, our illustrious current president, called “bitter, gun-and-religion-clinging, people who don’t like anyone different from themselves”. Or, in words his Liberal friends and fellow race-baiters would say, RAAACISTS!
Dr. Utopia was shellacked by Jacksonians in Ohio, Pennsylvania, West Virginia, Kentucky, and everywhere else in the 2008 primaries where Jacksonians recognized the Clinton moderate brand and wanted absolutely no part of Liberal socialist insanity by way of Dr. Utopia and his condescending “bitter clingers” remarks inside the Getty Mansion in San Francisco.
In the article above, the authors note that in 1996, Bill Clinton appealed to not just these Jacksonian Democrats, but also to Independents in the suburbs who wanted law and order, good schools, safe streets, low taxes, and responsible government spending. These suburbanites are culturally and fiscally conservative, thinking family and entrepreneurialism first, with absolutely no interest in a sweeping Liberal agenda anymore than they wanted to jump into any Right wing religious zealotry.
If you notice, these people the writers talk about in 1996 as part of the Clinton Coalition are the very same people who stood with Hillary Clinton herself to the end in 2008. They also include many conservatives on the Republican side who, to this day, say they would rather have had a third Clinton term with Hillary in the White House than to have Dr. Utopia in office today.
We have not seen anyone else, ANYWHERE, make this realization yet.
Instead, for more than the last year, we’ve constantly been berated by the MSM that 2008 was such a historic election, that the “youth vote and the black vote” were phenomenally large and that Liberals have secured a permanent majority and hold on this country in a monumental landslide of an election. All of that is sheer and utter nonsense.
The “Clinton Coalition” article notes that 2008 was actually primed for a Democrat of the Clinton mold to win 60% of the national vote…while Dr. Utopia only won 53%. They claim Bush’s second term, in particular, had been perceived as an upper-middle-class independent voters’s personal nightmare: out of control social policies, massive spending, two wars spinning out of control, financial collapse of businesses and banks, etc. The authors note “the right Democrat candidate could have put together a massive Presidential majority” by building a new coalition of not just the urban elites, blacks, dyed-in-the-wool loyal Dems, but also the suburbanites and Jacksonians as well.
Dr. Utopia did not do that.
It’s apocryphal to call his victory a landslide, beacause it wasn’t. Landslides happened in 1920/1932/1952 and 1980, as the authors note. Hillary Clinton would have had a landslide victory in 2008, if you read what the authors are saying and factor in what we’ve told you about the primaries: she won all of the people the authors say did not vote for Dr. Utopia as they should have.
Another thing the authors don’t note but we have repeatedly told you: the only reason Dr. Utopia won at all in 2008 is because Republicans sat their butts home. If the GOP had managed turnout at George Bush’s 2004 re-election levels, President John McCain would be in the Oval Office today.
One of the things that makes us the most furious around here is whenever we read anything derogatory and dismissive of PUMAS on Republican sites. While Republican after Republican we knew sat on their fat lazy backsides in 2008, eating their fudgecicles and drinking their bourbons, claiming “Oh, McCain is not conservative enough for us, so we’re just going to not vote this year because that will teach the GOP a lesson…and Obama will be a new Carter and then we’ll get a new Reagan in four years, heh heh heh”, moderate Democrats like us went traipsing through most of the Midwest riling up as many Jacksonians as we could to vote Republican — most for the first time in their whole damn lives. We had dogs sicked on us, rocks thrown through our windoews, nonstop hate mail sent to us (to this day, as a matter of fact), because we were lifelong Democrats who knew what Dr. Utopia was, who clearly saw what he planned to do to this country, and who understood his term in office would be four long years of nonstop reckless spending on socialist/communist/radical entitities like ACORN (just as George Soros directed).
Read the “Clinton Coalition” article. The reason Dr. Utopia won by 53% and not 60%, as he should of, is because of PUMAS. The article calls us “Jacksonian Democrats”, and maybe that’s what we all were before 2008, but we’re PUMAS now and forever baby. The majority of us will never call ourselves Democrats again. Those of us here at HillBuzz are still weighing that decision, because being a Dem has been part of our cultural identity our wholel lives. None of us step into a church except for funerals and weddings, but we all still call ourselves Catholics. However, increasingly, the Democrat Party has done so many terrible things in the last two years that we now call ourselves “Clinton Moderates” more than anything else. That’s “PUMA” for short.
None of us can imagine voting Democrat in 2012 unless Hillary Clinton is the nominee. There are a lot of new readers here over the last few days who found us because of an article we wrote detailing our reappraisal of former President George W. Bush. We here at HillBuzz fully intend to campaign for the Republican nominee in 2012 so that Dr. Utopia gets only one term and there can still be time to save this country from the socialist cancer this terrible man has stitched into the fabric of our nation. If Sarah Palin runs for President, we will quit our jobs and move to Ioawa to ensure we do everything we can to stop Dr. Utopia from gaming the Caucus like he did to Hillary. We will relive the nightmare of the last two years’ of our lives, learning from everything Dr. Utopia and the DNC did last time and make sure they do not win again. Those crazy Leftists must be defeated so that, someday, the Clinton Coaltion of 1996 and the Hillary Dems of 2008 can take back the Democrat Party and boot the deranged Carrter/Utopia elements out.
The “Clinton Coalition”, while not touching on PUMAS, and not even mentioning the Republicans who sat their sorry asses home in 2008 because “McCain wasn’t good enough”, notes that Dr. Utopia won in part because he created such intensity in the liberal, urban, and racist black base of the party. That’s another thing Democrats and the MSM don’t like to talk about, but the biggest racists we have ever met in this world are black people. They came out in droves to vote for someone they knew absolutely nothing about, just because his skin was the same color as theirs. These same low-information racist voters are the ones who keep expecting the current president to send them free checks in the mail, or give them reparations and other prizes. Increasingly, we hear them grumble that their guy isn’t doing anything for them. Blacks are the most notoriously unreliable voters in the Democrats’ coalition. While they will ALWAYS turn out in big numbers for a black candidate, and will always abandon people who have been good to them, like the Clintons, if a black they don’t even know appears on the ballot too, they just might not be so eager to turn out in 2012 because Dr. Utopia is already president. There will be no impetus for them to “make history” as the MSM kept putting it. ”The first black president elected to two terms” is not a great motivator for these people. It won’t motivate the urban liberals too, or the LGBTQ community either. All of that magical mojo was used up in 2008, never to be repeated again.
We are telling you — and we hope to Heaven some of you listen — that Republicans will never, ever win the racist black vote, the delusional liberal urban elite vote, or the low information LGBTQ vote. It is a waste of time to even try, because none of these groups vote rationally and will always pull the lever for the Democrat — with the exception of blacks, who will vote for anyone else who is black, regardless of party, ability, or any other qualification.
2012 entirely hinges on three things:
(1) the GOP running a candidate who turns out their base, so that few idiots sit at home “to teach the GOP a lesson” because they believe the candidate is not conservative enough
(2) that candidate needs to talk only about creating jobs, lowering taxes, reining in spending, providing law and order, stabilizing the economy, securing energy independence for this country, protecting our citizens, and providing a solid education and path to a good future for our children. NO talk about social issues…no attacks on gays…no crusade on abortion…no fodder for the Race Industry
(3) balancing (1) and (2), the candidate needs to appeal to conservatives while standing tall and strong as someone Jacksonian Democrats, PUMAS, independent voters, and Clinton Moderates, whatever you want to call us, can get behind
Ladies and Gentlemen, that person is Sarah Palin.
If she goes for it, she’ll be the 45th President of the United States.
Read the “Clinton Coalition” article, because everything in there points to Dr. Utopia’s defeat in 2012. If Democrats are smart, they will convince Dr. Utopia to pull an LBJ and announce he has a medical illness (most likely Parkinson’s, which is sympathetic) and cannot seek a second term.
And then the Democrats should nominate Hillary Clinton.
But, 2012 will not be an automatic win for her in the general election as it would have been in 2008. Remember what the “Clinton Coalition” article said, about voters responding to Bush, the financial collapse, and everything else they blamed Republicans for. Well, in 2012 voters will be blaming Democrats for all of Dr. Utopia’s broken promises. On top of that, the reckless spending this White House and Congress are engaged in will have perhaps permanently ruined our economy by 2012.
The article notes that it took Bill Clinton’s controlled spending and budget surpluses to convince voters Democrats weren’t spendthrift loons after Jimmy Carter.
Three years from now, Dr. Utopia, Nancy Pelosi, and Harry Reid will probably have put those old Carter terrors back into everyone. It honestly could be another 20 years before Americans trust Democrats with a budget again.
Hillary might very well be the Democrats’ only hope in 2012…because if made the nominee, at least she will have a shot, unlike Dr. Utopia…but he may well have done so much damage that she can’t win.
If everything continues to align as it is now, a woman will indeed be President in 2012, be it Hillary or Sarah…and we will work our heart and souls out for her on the ground whichever one it is who takes on Dr. Utopia because we just can’t let this man have a second term.
We honestly don’t think America would survive it.
November 13, 2009 at 7:33 am
If I lived in Iowa fellas, ya’ll wouldn’t have to worry about room and board when you start campaigning in 2012. I’m one of those former Democrats that you’re talking about in this piece, and I have no intention of going back to my former party anytime soon. In fact, I intend to do everything I can to remove the leftists from power and restore some sanity to this country.
http://palindemocrat.wordpress.com/2009/04/01/hello-world/#more-1
November 13, 2009 at 8:24 am
Here Here.I’m right there with ya Palindemocrat.Hillary has my heart and my vote but if Sarah runs against another Dem I will pull the lever for her.I will never follow blindly for any stamped approved Dem by the DNC.Those days are over PUMA NOW PUMA FOREVER.
November 13, 2009 at 9:21 pm
ME 2!! the “Democratic” party showed me just how “democratic” is was by stealing votes from Hillary.
I’m pro-choice, but I am a conservative on all the other MAJOR issues… would 100% vote and campaign for Sarah.
MSM… keep up your lies about this woman… who the hell listens to you anyway… the conservatives never did.. now you are losing democrats/independents like me!
Palin Independent.
November 13, 2009 at 7:35 am
Dear Hillbuzz,
I want to add my voice to the many others here and thank you for the moving article you wrote about George and Laura Bush. Your thoughtful assessment of GWB has enlarged your sphere of influence. You truly have a gift and anointing of words.
While I still don’t fully understand how you boys can be supporters of both Hillary and Sarah, for them seem very far apart to me on the issues, you have managed to bring together people from varying degrees on the political spectrum. That is quite an accomplishment.
As an avid fan of yours for over a year now, if only an infrequently contributor, it has been fascinating to watch how many people are now coming to read what you have to say.
You have made me laugh out loud and cry out loud. And when I get really infuriated with the things you reveal, I read your articles out loud to my husband.
I’m sure there are many of us here who can honestly tell you that we stopped getting the paper and now turn on our computers first thing in the morning, eager to read your posts with our first cup of coffee. Thank you for what you do, Hillbuzz.
November 13, 2009 at 7:39 am
I read this article and thought it was good too. There is one thing that you keep getting wrong in my view. As a former GOPer, my 2008 butt sitting had nothing to do with McCain not being conservative enough. Note that there were also GOP butt sitters (me included)in 2006. The reason is that the GOP did need to be taught a lesson. The GOP under W had a total lack of fiscal responsibility and pandered to all this social conservative, religious right stuff that should have little or nothing to do with the federal government. It excommunicated anyone who was even mildly libertarian or who believes in smaller government. That was the reason it lost big time. I still don’t think it’s learned its lesson, but I have little choice but to vote in 2010 to get rid of the far left types who are running the government now. And while I admire Sarah, the media will continue to identify her with the social conservative religious stuff, which makes her unelectable. Sorry about that, but it is a realistic view. Of course, all the other current GOP candidates are unelectable for reasons you have said on this site. And as for Hillary, who I also admire, I still can’t understand why she let herself be boxed in by going to the State Department. This wet blanket does not think 2012 is shaping up at all well unless someone new appears on the radar.
November 13, 2009 at 8:32 am
I have to add a PS to my pessimistic view of Sarah in 2012. The media have dishonestly defined her and any time she gets in the news, she becomes BIG news with more media slurs. In my voting lifetime (1968), we have had only two presidents who have captured the heart of the country, Clinton and Reagan. For those of you old enough to remember, the left wing media learned a valuable lesson (for them) with Reagan. They never took him seriously as a candidate until too late for them. They tried, but failed to mischaracterize. Again, it was too late. They will never let that happen again. Thus, the media viewed Sarah as a threat from the start and began to pile on immediately, and relentlessly since then. Another example is Michele Bachman, who I don’t know enough about, but she is only in her second term in Congress. She is conservative, articulate and generates a bit of a following, and the media immediately spring into action against her (even though she’s been in Congress less than three years!). In his own way, Bill Clinton snuck up on the media too. The media failed to take him seriously when he started running in the Dem primaries. Of course, because he was a Dem, the media was not as threatened, so it didn’t pile on him the way they do a GOPer or a conservative. But they never much liked him either, and what the media did to Hillary in 2008 is just more evidence of the power of the left wing media. That’s why I’m a wet blanket about 2012. By then, the media won’t be able to portray BO as a saint any more, but they’ll still have plenty of power to destroy his opposition. I have no solution other than to keep an open mind about newcomers. Be willing to compromise a bit for any candidate who might have a chance of getting BO back to community organizing where he belongs.
November 13, 2009 at 7:24 pm
Sarah Palin will run for the nomination. Her chances are very high, as many people realize the faults of the guys who are thinking about it now. The number of voters in 2012 could very easily top 2008′s turnout, with women being the ‘deciders’. There are many Dem women who voted for her last year, and many, many more will come out in 2012. Only the hateful lib women will be against her, but they’d be against R guy.
She can win. We need to fight longer and harder this time around to see a woman president. I think some women finally saw the light on election night, when all the blacks were crying with pride. Even my obot S-in-L realized it could have been us, and felt a tinge of regret it wasn’t Hillary.
52% of the US population. If Sarah can grab all that aren’t loony libs she’s a shoe in.
November 13, 2009 at 8:15 am
HillBuzz you got that right.PUMA NOW PUMA FOREVER BABY!!!!I am damn proud I voted McCain/Palin, the first Republican vote I ever cast in all my 61 years.Too freaking bad the real Republicans couldn’t have swallowed really hard and done the same.
November 13, 2009 at 3:56 pm
So true. Thanks PUMAS.
November 13, 2009 at 8:39 am
After being so pessimistic about Sarah, you all can get a lift with an opposing view here:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704576204574529770560352200.html
November 13, 2009 at 8:51 am
I am a conservative, not registered with a political party.
Last November, I voted for McCain/Palin -more for Palin than for McCain. I knew as I stood in line among 100s of African Americans voting for the first time, that Obama would win.
I was fortunate enough to attend the National Review Post-election cruise after the election. It was an amazing eye-opener for me. There were many like-minded people tere, but I was shocked to meet people who absolutely hated Sarah because she did not go to a proper Ivy League college, she did not speak with a proper Eastern Snob accent and because she actually had a big family.
Those folks want someone from a proper, moneyed, political family to run as their presidential candidate. It will be tough to convince them otherwise. Many of them were movers and shakers in the Republican Party, and I fear that Sarah will not have a chance against their money. They want a Mitt Romney as their candidate – I don’t!
There are a lot of Republicans who did like Sarah a lot, but those moneyed, Country Club Republican types are ashamed of her, and likely will not give her campaign the money it will need to run against a George Soros funded Obama campaign. Just to spite themselves, don’t you know!
My fear is that she will run as an Independent, and that Obama will win a second term because the conservative vote will split.
I sure hope I am wrong.
November 13, 2009 at 9:11 am
Let’s hope that Dr U is making the Country Club Republicans sick enough that they will do anything to get someone other than him in the Oval Office in 2012.
November 13, 2009 at 10:05 am
The biggest money spender does not always win the election. Look at NJ: Corzine outspent Christie 3:1. A candidate like Palin has serious grassroot support. I believe there are many of us who have never lifted a finger for a political cause who will get out there for the first time and work for her (and other freedom loving candidates’) election. I know I will.
November 13, 2009 at 10:19 am
My fear as well. Whenever we get a call from the Republican call centers, my hubby “vociferously” and not especially nicely says that everytime they call, we are donating directly to Palin until the RNC wakes up and gets a clue. And if they don’t they will lose.
Sometimes I feel sorry for those poor call center people because they admit that they hear this all the time and are constantly being yelled at.
My question to them is why don’t you pass this information up the line?
November 13, 2009 at 11:02 am
Good idea! I keep getting mail from the RNC asking for donations. I just throw them away. I think I’ll start writing a similar message on them and send them back.
November 13, 2009 at 1:37 pm
Same here KJA. I’ve been tossing them. The last one they sent me had a PAST DUE notice stamped on the envelope! I think I’ll start adding my two cents also.
November 13, 2009 at 4:04 pm
Do toss them. I send them back with a note, each one slightly different: “I am giving my money directly to candidates of my choice”, or “I am spending my money to protest in the street.”, or “I support Palin.” Or “Let us choose our candidates.”
November 13, 2009 at 10:47 am
I agree – so many in the GOP circles are such snobs! Their snobbery so angered me during the last election cycle, I told them that I will not give to them. But I did not sit back. My wife and I voted for McCain/Palin, but it wasn’t for McCain who was trying so hard for the left to like him. We voted for Sarah. We will vote for Sarah again. I agree with Hillbuzz – there are so many conservative voters out there who are responsible for the situation that we’re in. They never thought that Obama would be such a flaming socialist. Well, I think their eyes have been opened, and I feel that a tide is turning and when 2010 gets here, the tsunami will just get rolling, and the 300 ft wave will crash in 2012. I am convinced of that. I also think that the liberals also realize that. This is why they are trying so hard, even risking their majority status to put these laws into place. They realize, as I do, that once these pieces of legislations are in, there’s no removal of them. We cannot let these socialist policies in. They will damage this country beyond repair. Keep fighting the good fight!
November 13, 2009 at 1:22 pm
Same here. Everyone has raised good points, but I offer one other thing: Sarah Palin is, for the moment, a private citizen. Private citizens typically don’t poll well, especially a couple of years out. The people in power are afraid of her for her broad grass roots support, and what it might mean to them when they get the boot. As someone who doesn’t speak with a cultivated accent (I have a NY nasal whine), Sarah has my vote when she runs.
November 13, 2009 at 9:02 am
To really simplify things, what Clinton did was show some respect for voters. He never spoke down to people. He made people feel good about themselves. Reagan did the same thing, he didn’t make people feel invisible, he made people feel good about their country. To a lesser degree, Bush also did this and he won a second term. One problem with Kerry was that he was long winded and talked over the top of people’s heads. You didn’t feel good about yourself and your country after he spoke, you felt like you had been lectured, (if you were still awake.)
Carter also made us feel depressed and guilty. Stop whining people and put a sweater on.
Now President Obama, he’s downright depressing. America is a mean country, people are greedy and bitter, everybody is a racist, small towners stink, Republicans stink…and so it goes until you start to feel guilty about even being an American. These feelings of shame are going to spread thru the Dem party until people are just too depressed to go out and vote in 2012. Especially if Obama doesn’t even bother to deliver them anything worth hanging onto.
November 13, 2009 at 10:51 am
I agree with your assessment. But I would like to add that with Utopia, he’s downright unsympathetic. He’s more concerned about the next “date night” that he is planning than about the very high unemployment numbers, or the fact that our troops are dying in Afghanistan. He continues to think that he’s the smartest guy in the room and that to ask him to prove it is an insult and just plain racists in nature. He thinks he’s only entitled to good results, and whenever his thin skin is being attacked, he blames the previous administration or racism. This man is so accurately described by Rush as a man-child. The buck doesn’t stop with him, it stops elsewhere.
November 13, 2009 at 9:14 am
Our globe-hopping POTUS
http://www.politico.com/politico44/perm/1109/setting_the_pace_95b617aa-f7fe-4785-bc35-b74c6b36f878.html
One has to ask “Why is this? Why is he spending so much time and energy abroad when he has a country that is crumbling around him?”
November 13, 2009 at 9:15 am
Oops – sorry – I thought this was the open thread. My apologies.
November 13, 2009 at 9:35 am
From your keyboard to the GOP’s ears, I hope. Is there anyway you could get your article to Michael Steele? Don’t know if he’s smart enough to listen to reason, but he needs a good kick in the pants, and this article is it.
November 13, 2009 at 9:36 am
Hillary has higher approval ratings then potus
mmmm
November 13, 2009 at 9:39 am
Wow. I’m one of those who clicked over because of the article on the Bushes, and I have to say, as a conservative, “Republican,” southern mother of three – I couldn’t agree with you more. I have often said that I would rather have had President Hillary than this farce we’re living in now, and I’ve never voted Democrat in my life! You better believe I’ll vote for anyone who’s running against Obama in 2012. Great article!
November 13, 2009 at 10:04 am
Great article guys. Heard about HillBuzz for the first time yesterday when Dennis Miller read from your W. reassessment post. I’ll be checking back regularly from now on.
November 13, 2009 at 10:16 am
that Republicans will never, ever win the racist black vote, the delusional liberal urban elite vote, or the low information LGBTQ vote.
Your words are full of good advice, common sense and need to be heeded by the GOP or we will be stuck with this national nightmare and see our country completely destroyed.
I didn’t sit home and drink bourbon (I’m a scotch gal) because I saw the terrible future if we had Obama. Although McCain was a bad candidate for the Republicans, too liberal etc. I wasn’t going to make the same mistake I made when I was a Perot voter.
Like another poster, I fear a split ticket in 2012. We need Palin, who can reach the people and who is a fighter. Not another tired retread of the stick up your butt Country Club Republicans like Romney
or a religious social right conservative like Huckabee or a wackadoodle like Jindal. Don’t get me wrong. All three are probably good men….but just wrong wrongity wrong for the Country.
The Republicans need to move to the center while keeping the libertarian, conservative and moderates as a coalition. Ditch the social issues that divide us such as gay marriage or abortion and concentrate on those things that we can agree on such as smaller government, lower taxes, strong national security and removal of corruption.
November 13, 2009 at 10:25 am
By moving to the center, I mean quit the “you must be a PURE conservative” meme. Leave off with the “family values” crappola and concetrate on conservative fiscal and moderate issues.
I do NOT mean try to be Democrat Lite, which was what made John McCain a complete loser from the gate.
November 13, 2009 at 10:36 am
I first came to your site two days ago after learning of your article on W and Laura Bush. I am so glad I did. It’s way past time that we let the mainstream media define who we are by their biased perspectives.
Having worked many years as a project engineer, I have taken the training and experience from that discipline and applied it to everyday life. For those unfamilar with engineering principles, it takes a minimum of three views on a drawing to define a part. They are usually the side view, front view and top view. If only one view of the part is available you cannot define the “truth” of the part in that all features are not visible from that view. Although that view is “truthful” from that perspective it does not represent the total “truth” of the part.
For explanantion purposes, if I conducted an experiment with a simple block of wood that is rectangular in shape with a hole drilled through the top surface of the block and I placed this block in a container where viewers could only see either the side, front or top view of the block. Each viewer could argue that their view represents the “truth” of the block. Each would be right but each would also be wrong. The viewer from the front view would know the height and width of the block only. The viewer could not ascertain the length nor would he know about the hole.
The side viewer would see the height and length of the block but not the width and certainly not the hole. The top viewer would see the width and length but not the height. This viewer would be the only to see the hole (really just a circle).
One could easily see that an argument could ensue among the viewers about the “truth” of what the object was.
Apply these principles to your relationship with your significant other. Because what you observed in a dispute with your significant other is “truthful” so is your significant other’s observation just as “truthful”. However those two “truthful” observations do not define the “truth”. If you had an unbiased third party who observed the dispute they too would have a “truthful” observation, but there again it might not be the “truth”.
To get back to the topic, We the People must unite and take back out country from those that would destroy us from within. Your site will be instrumental in that war. In the lasdt two days your site has done more for American Unity than anything I’ve seen in years.
Who is the best candidate? Mine is Sarah. She is a person of integrity and character and confounds the elites because she doesn’t play by their rules. I’m the same way. You either do the right thing or you do the wrong thing. There is no in between.
I gained a lot of respect for Hillary as well during the campaign. I would be comfortable with her as President as well (really never thought I would say that). Of course I was victim to the example above. I was getting my information from one viewpoint only. Shame on me!
I am heartened by this site and will visit daily from now on. Let us all concentrate on our similarities and common interests rather than on our differences. We have a hell of a fight on our hands and we need to be as one! May the Higher Power bless all that take on this challenge. to quote a line from the movie “Apollo 13″. Failure is not an option!
November 13, 2009 at 11:35 am
Good points. This reminds me of the elephant analogy. Three blindfolded people are touching an elephant, one the trunk, one the leg and one the tail. When they say what they are feeling they tell the truth, but none of them has the whole truth.
You are right that we need to look at issues and candidates from more than one angle and get information from more than one source to see the whole truth.
November 13, 2009 at 10:41 am
“If everything continues to align as it is now, a woman will indeed be President in 2012, be it Hillary or Sarah…and we will work our heart and souls out for her on the ground whichever one it is who takes on Dr. Utopia because we just can’t let this man have a second term.
We honestly don’t think America would survive it.”
I honestly don’t know if we’re going to survive THIS term as a nation. If you just look at the numbers and not anything else, the view is terrifying. Just where we stand NOW, we’re in trouble.
Add ‘healthcare reform’ and cap & trade, if that stuff passes, I see us doing nothing except falling the rest of the way down the rabbit hole of financial oblivion. And shhhhh, no mention of looming inflation.
(You cannot print this much money without a serious impact.)
Btw, I got off of my Rep butt in 2008 because I could see what could happen if I didn’t, but I wasn’t thrilled. Then the yahoo got into office and from jumpstreet his actions were appalling. And the bots go YAY and the thinking people go ‘dear lord’ and I’ll betcha that a whole lotta non praying people started randomly praying for some sort of ‘salvation’.
Which is why I stood in a town square at a tea party rally on April 15th and discovered a lot of people like me. Reps, Dems, Independents. Radicals with kids in strollers, who also turned it into a food drive for the local pantry. Even had some random guy who looked at little shell shocked passing out Ron Paul literature wanting the Fed investigated. Hell, I could even get behind that.
When you wake up from your life coma only to discover that you’re standing shoulder to shoulder with people of all political stripes, who look at the monstrosity that is our current government in DC with horror, you know that something is happening that is transcending business as usual.
This is bigger than a breadbox and cannot be allowed to stand, less we end up with only a pale shadow of the country that used to be.
Don’t wait for 2012. It’s time to take a stand NOW to stop any and all of what is pouring out of Congress. Call, write, pick up a picket sign, donate to whatever cause works for you, blab your heart out to everyone that you know. Whatever you do, DO SOMETHING.
Btw, I’m a west coaster, currently living in MO. I loved your piece on McCaskill. She’s the first Dem on my list of people to work against. I don’t care if we shove in there someone that looks like a reject from A Weekend at Bernie’s, she’s got to go.
November 13, 2009 at 10:42 am
Great post! I’ve always wanted to see Hillary in the White House. If we can’t get her there, then I want Sarah Palin. 2008 was the year I voted Republican for the first time, the next time will be easier. Obama can’t be allowed a second term. I’ll be lucky if I still have a job by 2012.
November 13, 2009 at 10:59 am
We can’t wait to cross our fingers for 2012. I’m literally waiting to find out by the end of TODAY if my husband will still have job.
Now is the time to act. How high does unemployment have to rise? How many new programs will be instituted by then? How easy will it be to turn the ship of government by then? Will we have already surpassed the tipping point of no return?
November 13, 2009 at 11:18 am
You’re right JR, we need to start acting now and supporting and aiding candidates who will not just go along with what’s being done. It’s hard to know if a candidate will say one thing and do another as so many do, but we have to try. We need to change congress so that these policies dangerous to our nation will not be able to be rammed through. I too worry if too much will be changed and it will be almost impossible to turn it around. Once a government program, agency, policy is in place it is almost impossible to undue.
I’m sending you good wishes about the job situation. We’ve been there done that and it’s nothing I’d wish on anyone.
November 13, 2009 at 11:22 am
JR,
I’ll pray your husband will still have his job.
I know one poor woman who lost her job, found another one, only to have it close, also. Hopefully your husband will be much luckier!
November 13, 2009 at 11:03 am
I may be scoffed at a bit for this, but people in the center and right have been seeing the writing on the wall as well. A few months ago, even the goofball Glenn Beck said in his interview with Katie Couric that he feels Hillary was a better choice than even John McCain.
Currently, all of us in the center of the spectrum get co-opted by both sides when it suits them. Conservative leaning people get gobbled up by the crazy zealots on the right, and those of us in the LBGTQ community get absorbed into the left. I am tired of the wackos on both sides, and I am soooooo relieved that others are feeling the same way.
The people in my circles often get angry with me when I start talking conservative points.
I don’t want special attention, I just want the freedoms listed in our founding documents for EVERYONE. If someone wants to be a crazy religious wack-job, fine, just LMTFA.
November 13, 2009 at 11:13 am
Nice post. I hope those that sat on their backsides and didn’t vote are enjoying the lesson they are now learning, at the expense of our country. At the least they could have got their lazy bottoms to the voting booth to vote for congress or local offices. In a day when everything is called a “right” and we fret about wasting anything, these people wasted one of their foremost and undeniable rights.
In large part I heard the “teach them a lesson” creed from men. Women seemed more likely to vote, but I hope, probably in vain, that women across this country will wake up to the true biases against them. I certainly woke up to it with the treatment of Hillary and Sarah. Yet many women continue to vote with their hormones instead of their heads, with their female competitiveness instead of with their sisterhood. Wake up and vote for the best person to lead the country instead of the man you’d most like to date.
November 13, 2009 at 11:15 am
Okay, I am new to this sight. THe heading says political satire and snark. Then I read the pieces and I am left to wonder, Is is political satire” Is it for real? It’s just a little too subtle for good satiracle humor, and yet just a little too off base to be for real. Inquiring minds want to know
November 13, 2009 at 7:37 pm
Take it for what it is. Just a fun place with great people who care about what happened, and is continuing to happen because of Barry.
November 13, 2009 at 11:24 am
[...] Democrats will regret alienating the Clinton Coalition in 2010 and 2012 [...]
November 13, 2009 at 11:29 am
PUMA power, PUMA pride. All. day. long.
November 13, 2009 at 11:31 am
Read on The Real Barack Obama site that Ayers and Dohrn have written a scathing piece on Hillary using racist tactics against Obama during the campaign. ALso saw on Atlas Shrugs a picture of Obama with several military officers in front of a HUGE American flag at Arlington cemetary on Veterans day, ALL except Obama had their hands over their hearts–his were at his sides. Why are so many so blind to what is SO FREAKING OBVIOUS?????
November 13, 2009 at 8:14 pm
Because he is the Antichrist and Satan has that kind of power over people.
Here’s your article:
http://www.monthlyreview.org/090316ayers-dohrn.php
November 13, 2009 at 11:57 am
” … The article notes that it took Bill Clinton’s controlled spending and budget surpluses to convince voters Democrats weren’t spendthrift loons after Jimmy Carter. ”
Just a reminder: WJC had a Republican House and Senate to contend with, which forced him to govern from the center … and it worked to everybody’s advantage. No checks and balances in place today – it’s all Dems all the time … which is why everything in D.C. is FUBAR.
November 13, 2009 at 1:29 pm
And Reagan had to work with a Democratic congress.
My DH has always said that there aught to be a law stating that the Executive Branch and the Legislative Branch cannot be held by the same party.
November 13, 2009 at 12:05 pm
I have enjoyed your site since the PUMA movement just began and gave those of us who where stunned Hillary democrats a place to go where we could escape the horrorific treatment we were receiving at the so called liberal blogs. Sites such as The Confluence and Pumapac helped me save my sanity, and I tendered my resignation to the Democratic the day following that sham of a meeting on May 31, 2008 where the Obama supporters on the rules committee voted AGAINST Fla and Michigan’s votes being restored IN FULL.
Many of our Republican and Conservative friends have no idea what Dr. Utopia’s campaign did to win the primary. They don’t know about the gamed caucuses. They don’t know about the accusations of voter fraud and the countless people who tried to bring the facts to light. I am sure they were mightily surprised when we PUMA’s suddenly swung our support behind campaign, and then fell in love with Sarah Palin. I remember reading at the time someone’s terrible feeling of betrayal when she voted Republican for the first time in her life, only to realize that McCain lost because Conservatives stayed home…she likened it to a game where everyone says to hold your breath under water for as long as you can, and when you came up you found that all the other kids were long gone…the joke was on you. That stuck with me because it was how a lot of us felt when we realized that Obama won in spite of all of our efforts.
My point is, that what you are doing with your writing is opening a window into our common experience. If we accept the fact that we have been lied to and have only seen one “side” of the truth, as the project engineer pointed out in his excellent comment above, then we must realize that people of all points of view have been lied to…and that MANY of us are waking up from our “life commas” in horror at what is happening to our company.
There has been a recent study in the news about a car with a jammed accelerated, and the driver going off a hill. My friend told me how her husband was urging her to handle things if it ever happened to her. His council? TURN OFF THE ENGINE. And then to realize that the breaks and stearing aren’t going to respond, and that slowing the car is going to be very difficult. I think there is a message in this.
We all have to work together to turn off the engine. Letters, marches, whatever it takes to turn off the money pipe. The above commenters are right. We can’t wait and hope that picking up a few votes in 2010 can stop this car. We have to block this attrocity of a take over of the health care and energy industries…have to stop them by making sure they know that their lives are going to be living hells, and their livlihood as they know it is going to end if they don’t remember who they work for. If we can do that, then we have to stand firm on the breaks and hold tight to the steering wheel until we can bring the car under control. It will take a long time.
We have a president who has no idea what to do to create jobs. He’s going to have a summit. Meanwhile all those green jobs? Well the wind turbines to operate that giant farm in Texas? I read last week that China is getting that contract. What is wrong with this picture?
Anyway, to my original point. We need to share what we learned about the ugly side of Dr. Utopia and his campaign techniques so that as these primaries unfold in the upcoming months and years, we can all stand guard at the polling places, we can all attend the caucuses, and we can all get involved at the local level. The democratic party has been infiltrated and largely taken over by an overly socialist group, driving away all of the coalitions that used to make up the party. The republican country clubbers are probably buddies with the leftist cultural elite. All the big snobby money people with their ivy league educations are running the show…on both sides.
We the people have to retake the parties, and the country, and we have to do it by being incredibly well informed, incredibly proactive, and incredibly brave. Look for at least three points of view as the engineer said, read as many blogs as you can from different sides and then watch Fox news. That is how I ended up making the transition when the KO’s of the MSNBC turned their vile humor on Hillary. I admit it was funny when GWB was the target, but I had no reason to think, at that time, that the entire narrative as false. What an education it has been.
Also, I want to thank you for your excellent article about George and Laura Bush as their compassionate service. I don’t know about everyone else here, but I feel I have been robbed. To have been lied to during the entire 8 years of their time in DC…while all the while I thought they were lying to us.
The media has probably always been the seat of power in government, but it has never been more obvious. May the liars fail and may we all find the truth. I guess the first step is realizing that we have been lied to.
November 13, 2009 at 1:24 pm
Standing ovation for you! (And I’m spelling – disabled so I didn’t even notice!)
Yes – many of us that joined this blog after the national election are not aware of all the shenanigans that went on, and I am one who appreciates being educated. But the longer this president serves, the less surprised I am to find out about the things hidden in the past.
Let’s hope with the national exposure our HIllbuzz boyz are getting that we will have many people helping to turn off the engine.
November 13, 2009 at 7:25 pm
Great points Carolyn. Everyday I find myself in a “WTF” syndrome. I can’t believe our country is allowing this administration to get away with all that is doing. We (Puma’s and Conservatives) have been vocal and have challenged our representatives, but the only venue that shows it is Fox news. I travel a lot for my job and I can’t tell you the times I’ve gone through an airport and seen stories that should be critical of Obama, paint him like a bed of roses. The day after the NJ and VA Gov elections, there was only one top of fold story that talked about the “Black” voters staying home and that’s why the Dems lost.JEEZ.
Until we can start holding the media accountable for reporting the facts, this is going to be a tough engine to stop. 2010 can’t get here fast enough :/
November 13, 2009 at 12:07 pm
can I edit the spelling in the above post? Sheesh, how embarrassing!
November 13, 2009 at 12:38 pm
http://www.wnd.com/index.php/index.php?pageId=115923
Ayers, Dorhn accuse Hillary of ‘white supremacy’
Unrepentant radicals charge 2008 elections had ‘racist’ undertones
November 13, 2009
By Aaron Klein
Mug shots of William Ayers and
Bernardine Dohrn
JERUSALEM – Hillary Clinton’s 2008 campaign for the Democrat nomination deliberately appealed to white supremacy, fear and anxiety, charged longtime Barack Obama colleague and Weatherman terrorist William Ayers and wife, Bernardine Dohrn.
In a co-authored article in the socialist Monthly Review magazine , the two radicals argued last year’s national elections had “racist” undertones and that President Obama’s ascent to power can be used to “build a new society.”
“[Hillary] Clinton flagrantly appealed to white voters’ identity as ‘workers’ or ‘women’ – offering white people any reason to vote against Obama without saying he’s black – and followed the ancient and dismal road of racial discourse that appeals to white supremacy, fear and anxiety,” wrote Ayers and Dorhn.
The two referenced a New York Times opinion piece by feminist activist Gloria Steinem, “Women are Never Front-Runners,” written on the eve of the New Hampshire primary. Steinem argued the gender barrier had not yet been broken and asked, “Why is the sex barrier not taken as seriously as the racial one?”
Ayers and Dohrn charged Steinem had asserted a “superior victim status on the part of white, powerful women.”
The duo went on to claim the 2008 presidential elections had racist undertones.
“The invisible race talk was about ‘blue collar’ or ‘working class’ or ‘mainstream’ or ‘small town’ or ‘hockey mom’ or ‘Joe the plumber,’ but we were meant to think ‘white,’” they wrote.
Continued Ayers and Dohrn: “All the talk of Senator Barack Obama’s exotic background, all the references to him as ‘unknown, ‘untested,’ a ‘stranger,’ or a ‘symbolic candidate,’ or ‘alien,’ a ‘wildcard,”‘or an ‘elitist.’ … The discourse was all about race, us and them, understood by everyone in the United States even when the words African American, black or white are not spoken.”
The couple, however, took pride in Obama’s win.
They said Obama’s presidency “calls for us to have to agitate for democracy and egalitarianism, press harder for human rights, link the demands that animate us, and learn to build a new society through our collective self-transformations and our limited everyday struggles.
“We must seek ways to live sustainably; to stop the addiction to consumption and development and military power; to become real actors and authentic subjects in our own history,” they wrote.
The two added, “Now their experience can be put to use mobilizing those same people to insist on the changes they imagined.”
Ayers became a name in last year’s presidential campaign when it was disclosed the radical worked closely with Obama for years.
Ayers, and his wife, Dohrn, were two of the main founders of the Weather Underground, which bombed the New York City Police headquarters in 1970, the Capitol in 1971 and the Pentagon in 1972. The group was responsible for some 30 bombings aimed at destroying the defense and security infrastructures of the U.S.
Characterizing Weathermen as “an American Red Army,” Ayers summed up the organization’s ideology: “Kill all the rich people. Break up their cars and apartments. Bring the revolution home, Kill your parents.”
“Everything was absolutely ideal on the day I bombed the Pentagon,” Ayers recalled in his 2001 memoir, “Fugitive Days.” “The sky was blue. The birds were singing. And the bastards were finally going to get what was coming to them.”
Ayers brandished his unrepentant radicalism for years to come, as evidenced by his now notorious 2001 interview with the New York Times, published one day after the 9/11 attacks, in which he stated, “I don’t regret setting bombs. I feel we didn’t do enough.”
Ayers posed for a photograph accompanying the New York Times piece that showed him stepping on an American flag. He said of the U.S.: “What a country. It makes me want to puke.”
Ayers and Dorhn helped launch Obama’s political career with a fundraiser in their home. WND columnist Jack Cashill has produced a series of persuasive arguments that it was Ayers who ghost-wrote Obama’s award-winning autobiography, “Dreams from My Father.”
November 13, 2009 at 5:58 pm
There is a wonderful, telling peice one of Bill OReilly’s producers did. They followed Bill Ayers, trying to ask him some questions (about his relationship with Obama). Ayers, looking sweaty and pasty had to ‘trot’ away from the offending BOR staffer and camera crew…and call the Chicago Police. As he did behind the curtains on his uberchic Chicago manse, he cowered whilst waiting for the ‘pigs’ to show up and protect him from the mean TV crew. The big bad rebel, the bomber, the one (BFF of The Won) who proudly proclaimed ‘guilty as hell, free as a bird’ had to call in the Thin Blue Line to ‘protect’ him.
What a peice of trash.
November 13, 2009 at 12:50 pm
Will we be reading this in the Oblahblah U.S. mainstream media?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/expat/expatnews/6560542/Hillary-fans-and-fanatics-greet-Clinton-on-Manila-visit.html
It a beautiful article and photo! Enjoy!
November 13, 2009 at 1:36 pm
What a breath of fresh air this site is! Thank you for having sense and the nerve to say what is not being said anywhere else! As a life-long Repub, I still would have been glad to have Hillary over him. At least Bill Clinton loved his country. Who knows where this guy is going.
November 13, 2009 at 1:39 pm
http://www.thefoxnation.com/bill-ayers/2009/11/13/ayers-accuses-hillary-white-supremacy
WTF??
November 13, 2009 at 2:40 pm
I am one of the conservative Republicans who found your blog because of your recent article on President George W. Bush.
Thank you for such a lovely column on a truly good man.
I admit- I’m taken with you- It was love at first paragraph. I find you to be insightful, charming writers.
Please consider this your formal invitation to join us at Congressman Lipinski’s Town Hall at Oak Lawn tomorrow. We plan to share our thoughts with him on his recent vote in favor of the Pelosi healthcare bill.
November 13, 2009 at 4:34 pm
If there’s one thing I can’t stand, it’s someone who does not vote. I don’t care what party you’re in, if you don’t vote, don’t you dare speak to me about politics or complain about your representatives (local, state, or federal), up to and including the president. And if you stayed home last year, get the hell away from me. Seriously. You want to “teach” a lesson to the RNC at the cost of our freedom, our constitutional republic, and our futures? What a selfish, stupid, ignorant, insane thing to do. I blame those people as much as BO for this mess. Grrr!
*shaking it off* Anyway, I live in Massachusetts and I was never in a million years going to cast a vote for BO (if Hillary had been on the ticket, I likely would have voted for her over McCain). My vote didn’t “count” per se because this state is bluer than blue, but no way in hell am I sitting home and not voting so I can pout and wield my “power of non-participation” in the civic process. What is that? I don’t even understand that. Oooh, look I didn’t vote. Aren’t I a good American? Grrr.
Okay, that’s two “Grrr’s” in one comment. Probably two too many. But I’m with you. I’ll work my butt off for Hillary in the primaries, you can count on it. And depending on the other ticket and the economy by that point, may well vote for her in the election. If it’s Sarah, sorry boys, but I’m going with her. Otherwise, who knows.
November 13, 2009 at 5:20 pm
I too have come to this web site in the last few days. Though I am very Conservative I find this site very refreshing. It’s nice to know that people of different political bents can unite to try to save our nation.
I’m not overly religious but I am praying to God for the salvation of our country from those who are currently trying to destroy it.
By the way, there is nothing in the Constitution about a RIGHT to vote. It’s your duty.
God bless us all.
November 13, 2009 at 6:10 pm
STANDS AND CLAPS!!!
Here, here. Another primo post from you Boyz.
The ‘Jacksonian’ Democrats of the PA (that would be me), OH, WV, IN were the very ones that Utopia ‘dissed’ as bitter clingers to our guns and religion (at that swanky fundraiser out in Pelosiville). We are the people who voted for Hillary in the Primary (in which she beat him by 10 percent).
We are the same region (the Rust Belt) that is about to get hammered by Cap and Trade (though Drudge has ‘up’ that Obama MAY abandon that…yeah, right…how is he going to pander in Denmark then???)
Hillary, if she runs again, will take this region. Again.
Sarah, if she runs, will take this region. Why? Like Hillary she ‘gets’ the people and the people who listen to her ‘get’ her.
BTW, I almost gagged when I read the racial ‘rantings’ of the whiter than white Ayers and Dorn against Hillary. Hillary?!?!?! Who do they think they are kidding? So because Hillary appealed to Union workers (not the kiss a$$ leadership) and to women…therefore, Hillary, Union members and women were/are all RAAACIST because they chose NOT to vote for Obama? So the ultimate arbitor in Election 08 was ‘vote for the half black guy, or else?’
I know Ayers and Dorn are aging hippies…but are they still smoking the magic mushrooms???
November 13, 2009 at 11:18 pm
Think of it this way– would any of us want Ayers and Dohrn writing a complimentary article about Hillary? If anything, those two scumbags just did our girl a favor, for if Hillary does run in 2012 she will need to distance herself from Obama. Ayers and Dohrn just helped her do exactly that.
November 13, 2009 at 9:10 pm
It continues. Now they are claiming that Hillary “appealed to white supremacists” during the campaign, to which I say, WTF?!
http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.com/2009/11/obamas-marxist-terrorist-family-friends-accuse-hillary-of-appealing-to-white-supremacy-during-the-campaign/
November 13, 2009 at 10:35 pm
Hey HB Guys, I just sent a few bucks your way, but PayPal didn’t offer me the chance to say thank you for fighting the good fight, lifting my demoralized political soul above the fray, and giving me hope for the next election. I am 67 and have voted in 12 presidential elections, always for the democrat until 2008. I am a Texan and very proud of favorite sons: Lyndon Johnson, U.S. President 1963-68, Senate Majority Leader 1955-61; Sam Rayburn, Speaker of the House 1940-47, 49-53, 55-61. I want to feel proud to be an American again. Thank you for speaking the truth,as you see it.
Lynn L.
Dallas, TX
November 13, 2009 at 10:50 pm
As usual, your article is very, very insightful and I have no doubt that you are absolutely correct in your analysis. I have been a reader of your site for over a year and continue to be impressed. I just hope that you all will have the ability to continue. I noticed that your blog has been mentioned on two others that I read from time to time — good for you all!!
November 13, 2009 at 10:57 pm
Hillbuzz, with all due respect, I really don’t like how you keep using negative adjectives for gays (ex. in this article: low-information). It sounds from your writing that you spend most nights at the bars (and the bars are in Chicago) – which makes me think your “sample” isn’t really representative of gays as a whole.
Maybe those negative adjectives are true of young party boys, but there are lots of gay men who wouldn’t fit all your negative adjectives… if you think about it, wouldn’t you agree….?
November 13, 2009 at 11:00 pm
I forgot to mention that I met many, many of the “Clinton democrats” at the Sept. 12th protest in Washington D.C. that must also be your readers and members of the groups you referred to in this article. It gives all of – sane, self-reliant democrats and republicans – the courage to continue to fight for this country.
November 13, 2009 at 11:57 pm
My first visit and I’ll be back!
FYI, this Republican and her spouse did NOT sit on our butts. We voted Palin [McCain] in MARYLAND. If that isn’t a true sign of dedication, I don’t know what is…
Hubby and I have spoken often about what we see as the plight of fiscally conservative Democrats who got stuck with a pig in a poke.
The only candidate we’ll be voting for in ’12 will be Palin. Don’t trust the inner-beltway types of either party.
Sadly, the Democratic party has been hijacked by uber leftists. Stupid Republicans, completely lacking in backbone, abandoned conservative fiscal policy and Libertarian social outlook [the candidate might be a social conservative, but respects both the constitution and individual liberty,] and went with a ‘big tent/soft socialism’ approach to show ‘inclusiveness’. Disastrous.
November 14, 2009 at 12:34 am
Your analysis is very insightful. Just curious what your thoughts are if Condi Rice reemerged on the scene. American seemed to love her and the MSM mostly left her alone. She is smart and black and female.
I also appreciated you thoughts on George Bush. I could never find much to dislike him about but after the initial elation of the Iraq war, the media crucified him over and over.
It’s unfortunate so many American’s blindly follow the media. While I wasn’t a Hillary fan, she was well on her way to the Dem nomination and then the media anointed Obama. Too many people of all political backgrounds have become gullable to everything the media feeds them.
Blog On !!
November 14, 2009 at 4:23 pm
A newbie to this site, linked to you from Lucianne, on the George and Laura Bush piece, and just have to say I am as delighted by your posters as I am by you boyz….But folks !! PLEASE…don’t stay home in 2010, or sooner if you have the chance, if you don’t have the perfect candidate to vote for…I am a Conservative, held by nose for McCain ( loved Sarah, natch ), but I will vote for damn near anyone that opposes Dr. Utopia and his ilk….These dreadful people must be defeated.
November 14, 2009 at 9:36 pm
I am fascinated that people like you exist. I have too many friends who are either delusional urbal liberals or “I voted for the black guy, hehe” types. It is reassuring to finally meet some of the rational democratic moderates I keep hearing about. On the flip side, most conservatives I know considered “A third Clinton term” to be the best-case scenario. HillaryCare made an indelible impression in a large portion of Americans that will not be easily erased. For most of us on the outside looking in, the choice in the ’08 dem primaries was not moderate vs. socialist, it was female socialist vs. black socialist.
I like your points for the Republican Party. Fiscal conservatism and social liberalism (or at least hands-offiness). Sounds like something… lib… liber… libertarian. Of course, it’s pretty obvious that neither party is all that socially liberal for the last 30 years, except when it comes to spending other people’s money on the welfare state… then they both jump in with both feet. A candidate who promises to stay out of my wallet AND my bedroom will get my vote, EVERY election.
November 15, 2009 at 12:27 am
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November 15, 2009 at 1:47 pm
I really enjoy reading your blog. Very informative and inciteful. Excellent Keep up the great work!
November 15, 2009 at 6:07 pm
I can’t believe how much that you say is what I am thinking!
I am a christian and a conservative. And, I would have chosen Hillary Clinton had she made it through the primaries.
I don’t agree with Ms. Clinton on many issues — and it would be irrational to think one could. The man I’ve been married to for more than 3 decades and I don’t even agree on everything.
Clinton made some mistakes, and showed some “menopausal memory lapses” during her campaign. But nothing as compared to the ones made by her opponent. (And his list gets longer each day, unchallenged and uncharted by the news media.) The news organizations were like vultures, hanging on Clinton’s every move. It wasn’t until Sarah Palin came on the scene, did the vultures move on to a fresh “kill.”
I see in the news that Clinton would be agreeable to having coffee with Palin.
I wish they would. The earth might shake.
November 15, 2009 at 8:08 pm
oops that should have read:
I don’t agree with Ms Clinton on ALL issues –