We’re utterly fascinated by this.
In 2004, we don’t remember hearing about anyone scared Kerry was going to take their guns away – and we worked Pennsylvania for Kerry (Pittsburgh area). There were a lot of gun shops and firing ranges there, and we never heard anything about people stocking up on guns because they were scared Kerry was going to try to take them away.
Obama is perceived as more liberal than Kerry, and in fact the most liberal Democrat that’s run for president in as long as anyone can remember. Biden as VP makes this the most liberal ticket that Democrats have ever fielded. There is nothing about it that puts the bitter, gun-and-relgion-people-who-are-apathetic-to-those-not-like-them living in Pennsylvania at ease.
Absolutely nothing.
In fact, the thought of Obama becoming president freaks these people out. So much so that they’re stocking up on firearms.
We just don’t see how this can bode well for Obama. These are “Reagan Democrats” and Republicans. They’re Clinton Democrats too. And they recoil at the thought of an Obama administration.
Have you ever heard of anything like this? We checked, and can’t see any evidence of this in past elections — where the Democrat so freaked rural, working class, sportsman types out that they felt compelled to stock up on weapons to protect themselves.
We think this is a piece of a larger puzzle…one that’s becoming much more clear as we inch closer to November 4th:
(1) Democrats like us at HillBuzz are working with Republicans for the first time in our lives to elect John McCain/Sarah Palin because we do not like or trust Obama/Biden.
(2) Hillary Democrats not openly working for McCain are silently voting for him — and voting Republican for the first time in their lives in most cases.
(3) Early voting has not met Obama’s expectations — Republicans are tied or ahead in most states, and nowhere is Obama enjoying blowout advantages he claimed he’d have.
(4) In all states, there is a marked “enthusiasm gap” between support for Obama and support remembered for Kerry in 2004 or Gore in 2000…lack of yard signs, stickers, posters, and excitement to vote for Obama, despite what the media claims.
(5) Gun owners afraid of Obama, and stocking up on weapons because they are that freaked out by the thought of anyone voting for him.
We’d love your thoughts on that last one, as we think it could be a cultural barometer like the Family Circle cookie baking contest or Halloween mask sales — something that shows a large scale cultural like or dislike of a candidate.
All of these anecdotal signs point to a McCain win…with those gun sales being the most fascinating of all.
Because those gun owners are the heart of the country. If Obama hasn’t won them over, and instead seems to have driven them away, screaming, then we just don’t see how he wins.
October 30, 2008 at 12:01 am
The folks aren’t worried so much about new anti-gun laws as they are about all the rioting, looting and hate crimes directed towards white people when Obama loses the election.
Can you say Rodney King?…Now multiply that by ten.
I predict Marshall Law.
Lock-n-Load
October 30, 2008 at 12:04 am
I’ve heard of this happening around the country. Those “gun-clingers” are fearful of an Obama victory and stocking up. It is interesting. I really think there is a silent majority out there. Also, the NRA has had some of the best and most effective ads this election cycle.
October 30, 2008 at 12:05 am
Obama, fear, and a run on guns is very real.
For over a week now, my husband has been researching the carry permit rules in our state as well as which type of weapon would be best for home protection. It looks like a shot gun would be best for us. A rifle seems to be more for hunters and we are concerned if we ever had to actually fire in self defense, a pistol would not have the same accuracy as a shot gun due to our own nerves.
Don’t know if we will actually “pull the trigger” and buy one, but it is the first time in our long marriage that we felt we probably should.
October 30, 2008 at 12:08 am
OT: I’ve been watching this story since it broke. I gave up on it and tossed it to the junk pile. IF this story doesn’t break tomorrow or Friday, then I am officially done with it. BUT after reading a comment in a different thread, I went back to the site and read this article. API says there will only be a 15 minute notice. SO we need to keep our ears open tomorrow for another bomb, in addition to the LA Times video (if it ever comes out). Thoughts?
http://africanpress.wordpress.com/2008/10/29/the-michelle-obama-tapes-to-be-aired-any-daytime-from-now-api-and-fox-news-network-usa-in-a-final-agreement-on-the-airing-daystime/
Did Michelle O really talk that long???
October 30, 2008 at 12:11 am
Interesting idea, considering the Family Circle thing as a cultural barometer. Readers saying “we like Sarah, so we’re picking Cindy’s cookies even if her recipe includes motor oil.” LOL
As far as the gun buyers go, I don’t consider it tooooooo much of a positive…as the buyers were unlikely to vote for O anyway. Their friends and family, however…
October 30, 2008 at 12:11 am
Interesting report. Could be Obama related or just the fact that there has been a lot of talk from Govt officials like Paulson about “total economic collapse” (see 60 minutes a few weeks ago) and lots of new reports showing soup lines and another Great Depression.
Any news on the Khalidi video?
October 30, 2008 at 12:28 am
This is a vanity post but I feel I had to do it. I am here from over at FreeRepublic. Yep, I’m a freeper and I am also a democrat who is voting for McCain. On behalf of all of us over at Free Republic, I wanted to come over and thank all the Hillary Democrats and PUMAs for the fantastic (but clandestine) work you have all been doing this election season. All of us over at FR, whether Republican or Democrat, realize that Hillary Clinton was robbed by the Obama machine during the democratic primary season. They took advantage of the caucuses and used racism and sexism to steal the nomination away.
One thing all of us at Free Republic admire most about Hillary’s democrats is their conviction. Despite not agreeing with us on most of the issues over at FR, we do share one true thing: A love of this Republic. We all love America, want the best for her (or him), believe in fair play and do not our democracy replaced with a Marxist regime. In that we can agree and in that we are one.
See you on election day, I will be the one behind you with the Obama button and the smile, mouthing a silent thank you and giving you a knowing Sarah Palin wink and air gun cock.
Thank you PUMAs…at least for a season, we love you. Thanks for loving America.
October 30, 2008 at 12:38 am
Man, the dirt that’s out there on this guy is amazing.
The gun thing I think will pull some votes.
If the distrust momentum keeps building and valid questions aren’t answered – guns and money – make for strange bedfellows.
Sounds like the new slogan is “Annie Get Your Gun”
October 30, 2008 at 12:47 am
I have a feeling this is all about the constant media talk of riots if Obama doesn’t get what he wants. (Sounds a lot like a little kid throwing a tantrum because his mother told him “no.”) I have to tell you, I’ve thought about getting a gun myself, as I’m a woman who lives alone and these Obots have been crazy and violent already.
October 30, 2008 at 12:49 am
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October 30, 2008 at 12:54 am
Yep, it’s happening all over the place. In our state as well. People are mostly buying CCW items. They had a spot on the local TV station last night about the women taking CCW classes.
Riots coming?
October 30, 2008 at 1:02 am
Reply to Moon@1:
I’m so furious with the biased media and their skewed polls that have built up the Obots’ expectations that their man has already won this thing. When reality hits, it’s gonna hit hard. All the rage is gonna have to go somewhere… and some extremely irresponsible black leaders have all but promised mayhem in the streets if “the Republicans steal the election”–that being, of course, the only possible explanation for the Messiah not winning! Thanks a lot, “mainstream” media, for creating this situation!
October 30, 2008 at 1:03 am
Reply to Moon@1:
I’m so furious with the biased media and their skewed polls that have built up the Obots’ expectations that their man has already won this thing. When reality hits, it’s gonna hit hard. All the rage is gonna have to go somewhere… and some extremely irresponsible black leaders have all but promised mayhem in the streets if “the Republicans steal the election”–that being, of course, the only possible explanation for the Messiah not winning! Thanks a lot, “mainstream” media, for creating this explosion-waiting-to-happen!
October 30, 2008 at 1:03 am
Setting aside the underlying threat of unrest that some have hinted at online -the NRA has done some awesome ads and showed them in areas where they would probably make the best impression. There is a new one out also by none other than “the man” Chuck Norris advising everyone in a non offending way to ignore the rhetoric and research the voting record of anyone they were considering voting for.
Chuck Norris: An Outlaw’s Worst Nightmare?
ttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQ-lQMUn0xw
New NRA Ad – Defend Freedom, Defeat Obama
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hvhZgUhpCE
Hunter” (NRA ad) — National Rifle Association hits Obama hard over Chicago pol’s positions on guns
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_nrSR5N7wI
Hope this helps. Im not sure how often they are aired or in which specific areas you could hit up their websites for that info. I think when people are so informed and are looking at Pelosi,Reid and Obama– we call these three the “Axis of Taxes”– they are looking pretty scary.
October 30, 2008 at 1:05 am
I attended a gun show recently. It was a two day gun show as most of them are. I went on the morning of day 2.
NATO 5.5 mm ammo – sold out.
7.62mm x 39 (AK47 and other Warsaw Pact military) ammo – almost sold out.
.308 – modest stocks left.
9mm and other handgun ammunition – quite a bit available in all common calibers.
Basically, a little past the halfway mark of the show the cupboard was bare for modern military capable ammunition.
October 30, 2008 at 1:12 am
The “mainstream” media has so built up the Obots’ expectations, they think their man has won this thing already. When reality hits next week, it’s gonna hit HARD. Some irresponsible black leaders have all but promised mayhem in the streets if the O loses. None of this would be happening if the media hadn’t done such a snow job. Thank you, Associated Press, MSNBC, NPR, etc., for this explosion-waiting-to-happen.
October 30, 2008 at 1:18 am
We’ve been citizens for four years and went out last weekend to finally buy a shotgun … worried about Obama making it impossible later. While at the gun shop, we started a conversation with the man beside us. He is from Russia and became a citizen in 1973 and he was out for the first time buying a shotgun too. Never in his time here has he been worried about his gun rights until now … 1973!!! The sales clerk told us he’d sold more shotguns that weekend than he had in the first quarter … Jan, Feb, and March. Can’t wait until the gun manufacturers post sales for this quarter!
October 30, 2008 at 1:44 am
I also noticed very few yard signs here in SoCal.
But besides that and the gun thing (I cannot really comment on it, because I am not an American and the whole meaning of guns here is something I only heard about)
What I don’t understand is, how can BO believe that he can win after pissing half of his party of.
In my understanding a democrat can only win, if he wins some votes among independents etc. in addition to the democratic base.
How can this creep believe he has a chance after cheating Hillary out of the nomination, pissing of women, older people, white people, working class people, and so many more.
Why are we worried at all that he might win?
Because of his fraud.
Okay, but still, it will not be enough.
How much is the black electorate?
How much is 90% of that?
That is his base.
So sorry the African American community has displayed such a racism and will now have to wait really really long for their first black president.
That will be after a hispanic, asian and of course a female president.
October 30, 2008 at 1:49 am
The Clintons where not exactly pro-gun when they were in office.
They help pass the late AW ban.
What a stupid law that now has sunseted.
For all of you folks considering a gun purchase.
Go to a range that rents guns and try out different models. That way you can see what is best for YOU. Also take some NRA safety classes and learn how to shoot properly.
I guarantee you will love shooting. My wife and daughter never fired a gun before and now after they have they have their own pistols and rifles. It’s a blast!
October 30, 2008 at 1:54 am
Off topic. Wonder what percentage of the electorate is absolutely convinced of their vote’s confidentiality. In this Orwellian environment, that might make a percentage point or two difference.
October 30, 2008 at 1:59 am
My father told me tonight that, for the first time in his life, he was considering getting a gun.
He was not joking.
To express how stunning that concept is for my very sweet, non-violent 71 year old dad, please look up the post on HillBuzz about the Eeyore that’s seen the light.
It’s just that amazing.
He says he’s waiting to see how the election turns out before making a decision.
Or at least that’s what I thought I heard. I was too busy retrieving my jaw from the floor.
October 30, 2008 at 2:45 am
Gun owner here. Sorry for the length of the post. I’ve got a lot to say on this topic.
Some personal anecdotal points Hillbuzz might appreciate:
1) I’m a member of a local gun range and went shooting last weekend. All my range masters report record business. From what I’ve gathered, the past few years have prompted a gradual increase in sales with all the events going on in the world, (Katrina debacle, etc.) but my range masters have noted a more recent pronounced increase in the amount of business they’ve recieved. (I admit it’s an obvious statement to say there are zero Obama stickers/signs at the range)
From this, I believe the reported gun purchasing phenomenon exists.
2) I do make purchases of firearms about once every two years. I have been planning for about a year and a half to purchase a firearm which would have been banned by the 1994 ban. The local gun show is being held this weekend and if I find a deal, I will buy. A buy this weekend would not be a reaction to Obama’s possible election, just a good find. IF (and I believe he won’t) Obama does take the Presidency and I haven’t found what I’m looking for, I will
speed up the timetable for my purchase and prepare to spend more for the sake of expediency. I know the item I’m looking for will be one of the first to be banned.
3) My mother – a shooter since 2004 – is also interested in making a purchase and restocking on ammunition. She reached this decision without any of my input and brought it up unprompted.
4) Obama’s previous statements have completely opposed his current “guns are A-OK” view:
http://www.dakotavoice.com/2008/10/obama-i-dont-believe-people-should-be.html
John Lott is a respected scholar in the 2A community, if the transcript is accurate, I believe John’s statements over Obama’s.
Note: This is not the only article I’ve seen, just the most recent.
5) Reports have surfaced indicating Obama’s transition team is interested in moving background check records onto secure government servers. This looks like only a short step away from permanently retaining all firearm sale records, i.e. registering firearm owners.
http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/node/6167
If you wonder why firearm owners bristle at the prospect of being registered, consider that firearm registration has historically led to total or partial confiscations. Many tyrannies began their abuse of the people through firearm controls and confiscations. Consider the Battles of Lexington and Concord began as a direct result from the British march to confiscate the contents of colonial armories. Also consider the Ottoman Empire exterminated 1.5 million Armenians after establishing gun control in 1911. The Soviet Union established gun control in 1929 and subsequently exterminated 60 million dissidents (aka citizens) over the next 30 years. Review the German Gun Control Act of 1938, it selects specific groups of people who aren’t permitted to own firearms. The list of human rights abuses by governments who control private access to firearms is long and varied.
So, the reasoning of the people seems obvious to me. If you vehemently distrust the guy who’s President, (or who is going to be) why would you want him knowing you have a gun? (NICS entries are currently discarded after a purchase has been completed) Other questions arise, if you distrust him, why would you want this person to be the only one with access to guns?
6) Finally, I would say this is positive news. Some circles attribute the loss of Gore’s presidential bid to the gun owning voters. We’re a group which has been growing, instead of shrinking.
Any other “Brand X” Democrat and I would bet you’d see increased purchases by collectors and others with an interest in the hobby, HOWEVER I believe expanded purchases within the general populace to be a unique phenomenon you may only see in this election cycle.
Everyone else considering a gun, please take a Firearms Safety Courses if you choose to buy. Ownership is not a responsibility to be taken lightly. The NRA offers very affordable and well respected courses on a regular basis and are actually a lot of fun as well.
October 30, 2008 at 2:57 am
Yes, I have experienced that too. I checked out a Baretta 32 caliber the other day. I like the suggestion to go to a range and try out shooting first. It’s not Obama winning so much as Obama losing that causes immediate paranoia.
When the Rodney King verdict came in, I was working in the financial district in SF. I was quietly listening to the radio at my desk and when I heard what had happened, I called my son in LA within minutes. He never watches TV or listens to news. Thank God he was home. My message: “Stay off the streets white boy…there’s going to be hell to pay.” How right that was. He was doing design work for Capital Records and Interscope and was traveling between home and downtown almost daily. Fortunately, he had a full larder and took my advise and didn’t venture out for the next four days.
Might be good advise this time. Be stocked up on food, essentials and batten down the hatches. He’s gotten people pretty high on the Koolaide. No telling what disappointment could bring. They won’t be able to take it out on him…
October 30, 2008 at 4:08 am
I agree with the above posts, i.e., I’ve been thinking a lot lately about arming myself to the teeth to fight off the horde when the Redistributor loses.
October 30, 2008 at 4:36 am
Re: Obama is perceived as more liberal than Kerry.
Liberal?
The guy is at least a socialist and it wouldn’t surprise me one bit if he was a die-hard communist.
October 30, 2008 at 5:00 am
I think that the increase in gun sales in the last few weeks is an indication that people are not only worried that Obama might win and try to change gun laws. But also that they are worried about what might happen if he looses and there is civil unrest caused his supporters going on a rampage, just like his cousin Raila Odinga’s supporters did in Kenya after he lost their presidential election.
October 30, 2008 at 6:09 am
Here in Texas many are deeply disturbed at the prospect of an Obama presidency–in fact so much so that many I know who have never bought/owned or even thought of buying/owning a gun are doing so are considering doing so—including me. In fact–I have family coming into town and we have all been researching what we should buy before we head to a gun show here–none of us currently owns guns or have ever felt the need to buy any. These are very strange times. How anyone could be so deluded by someone like BO is unreal. We don’t trust the guy at all and with good reason.
October 30, 2008 at 6:44 am
Hi PUMAs! Delurking for a moment. Just off the top of my head, I think there are several reasons for the uptick in gun sales. The economy for obvious reasons including increase in property crimes and home invasion robberies, etc., as well as a fear that a Dem supermajority and Obama in the WH will be tempted to really shift gun laws in this country in a way never before contemplated.
My sister, who lives alone, is taking a Concealed Carry class in two weeks, and already owns a firearm. She said there is a waiting list at the range where she signed up, for people wanting to do the same thing before Janu 20th. Makes sense. Also, it’s hunting season where I live and there’s an obvious uptick, particularly with the number of shotguns being sold, and ammo for same. Hunters might also be thinking that a new shotgun would be nice this year, especially if there is a possibility of some huge price/tax hike on the horizon for retail firearms and ammunition sales. Perfect storm. Potential civil unrest, bad economy and draconian gun legislation all rolled into a very emotional election season. Oh, and one other thing, particularly with women, is the Sarah Palin hunter angle. They feed their family that way. I think SP has inspired people in many different ways, and that could very well be one of them, particularly if you have a big freezer…
October 30, 2008 at 6:46 am
Hi PUMAs,
Politics makes strange bedfellows.
I love what you’re doing to help defeat Obama and thank you from the bottom of my heart.
I am a single-issue gun voter, a sort that is poorly understood by the Republicans and not at all by the Democrats. There are approximately 10 million of us (contrast this with the approximately 74 million other gun owners for whom guns are important, but not determinative) and we swing elections. We’re as motivated as any group in politics and we turn out near 100% (proverbially crawling over broken glass to vote) when our gun rights are threatened.
This post is no place to get into a deep discussion of why gun rights are fundamental (other than the minor fact of their enshrinement in the US Constitution and 43 of the state constitutions… plus hundreds of years of American history) so I’ll summarize it here:
A candidate’s position on RKBA (right to keep and bear arms) is a proxy for a candidate’s views on the proper relation of government to citizens.
We helped defeat Kerry in 2004 due to his gun position – but you didn’t hear a huge amount about it because the Republicans still held Congress.
And the reason the Republicans held Congress was because in 1994 Clinton and a much more moderate set of Democrats in the House and Senate passed the assault weapons and magazine capacity bans – and we gun owners took care of business.
This forced Clinton (to his credit) to the center and abandoned gun control as a policy. (Bill Clinton to this day has urged the Democrats to drop gun control and they naturally haven’t listened.)
Bob Dole lost in 1996 for a variety of reasons, but guess what? No NRA endorsement because he too supported gun control.
Gore lost in 2000 – yep, same reason. Lost his own state thanks to gun control.
In spite of the superb Heller decision, we gun owners are quite engaged this election. Democrats look to extend their position in Congress and with Obama in the White House, nothing will restrain them with regards to gun control.
And we gun owners are remarkably pissed off at the notion of being turned into felons at a swipe of a pen.
PS – Once we’ve defeated Obama, please turn your attention to educating Hillary on this issue. Have her spend a few hours with the NRA-ILA. Have her talk to Bill. And have her simply drop gun control as an issue, period.
October 30, 2008 at 6:53 am
Yes, there was a gun-buying surge in 2004. I remember it well.
In Sep 2004, the ill-advised, stupid, useless, UNCONSTITUTIONAL Clinton “assault weapons” ban expired, releasing ten years worth of demand for AR-15s and other desirable modern guns. Kerry was doing very well in the polls and it was looking like he would be the next POTUS. There was a buying frenzy throughout the fall as people thought they would only have a very narrow window of opportunity to get what they wanted. I know people who bought–or tried to buy–two, three, four AR-15s while they could, and it wasn’t rare to hear of guys buying or ordering ten or twelve. The backlog ran for a good six months, well into the spring of 2005, before the manufacturers got caught up with the demand. Yes, I remember it all very well!
October 30, 2008 at 7:19 am
Yes, this is a real phenomenon. My son is in law enforcement as is his best friend. The two of them were talking to a state trooper late one night and all three were concerned about the possibility of Obama winning and taking away gun rights.
As my son has several guns, we were going to buy him a gun safe for his birthday. Went to four different places and all were sold out. The folks running the stores said that they have been selling out of gun safes as fast as they can get them in–and that is not the usual thing.
October 30, 2008 at 7:33 am
Didn’t know that this site existed.
Makes me see Hillary Clinton and her supporters in a different light, particularly in your commitment.
Makes me absolutely petrified when Obama is telling people to take the day off.
Makes me think that they’re going to hang around the polling places, intimidate people, and use violence as a way of frightening pro-McCain voters from going out to vote.
October 30, 2008 at 7:44 am
Right now, Obama and his Democrat Socialist friends are already shuting down the opposition by violent and non-violent intimidation. If Democrats get their open voter Union law, we will see thuggery in this country comparable to the old Soviet Union. Once the First Amendment is killed, Democrats will go after the Second. Control of the media and gun confiscation are two of the first things dictators always do. It is amazing that a Jewish majority are supporting Obama. Guess they forgot Hitler’s gun confiscation and gun laws prior to the Holocaust
October 30, 2008 at 7:47 am
My Father and I are part of these statistics. We are avid sportsmen, but have never bought handguns. Last week, we both bought one (a 9mm and a .380).
We are not democrats, so I have no idea if it reflects polling, but it definitely shows people are worried. My Father (a retired Chief Master Sargent)said this was the first election where he has ever questioned the patriotism of one of the nominees.
October 30, 2008 at 7:58 am
I just want to say that this site is awesome. I’m a conservative and while I would have not voted for Hillary should she have been the nominee, I have no doubt that Hillary and Bill are real Americans and I would have trusted her to do the right thing by this country in a time of need and crisis. And that’s what’s happening now with you PUMAs and republicans working together to defeat the most dangerous man ever to run for POTUS. God bless you all for your help! Not to threadjack…..I’m the same boat…went to a gunshow for the very first time last weekend, went to a local range and test drove a bunch of handguns and ended up ordering one last night. The gun stores here in Richmond have just been packed for the last two weeks. Everyday at lunch I’ve been shopping and there’s been a 30 minute wait just to get help. Something’s definitely up. For the first time in my 40 years on this planet, I’m truly frightened by what could happen if Obama is elected. So it’s time to weaponize just in case.
October 30, 2008 at 8:01 am
We have a friend from Russia, came over about 6 yrs ago. He said the crime rate in Moscow was through the roof. He told us about a friend who was beaten to death with a metal pipe. I think people are worried about any riots after the election, after all we’ve been told there will be riots if obama wins and riots if he loses, but they’re also worried about the crime rate as we transition into communist lite government. If obama ‘constitutionlizes’ economic justice/fairness, what will stop the ordinary citizen from just taking what they believe to be their ‘fair share’ of your stuff?
I just have one more question that no one seems to be asking. How can we trust someone to put there hand on the Bible and swear to protect and uphold the constitution from enemies both foreign and DOMESTIC if he doesn’t believe in the constitution?
October 30, 2008 at 8:11 am
Even in one of the most Democratic states in the nation – Massachusetts – there are not very many Obama signs whatsoever. And for every 3 Obama signs I see in the suburbs of Boston, I probably see 1 – 2 McCain signs… I think this is a good sign!!!
October 30, 2008 at 8:33 am
I find this very interesting. After having just moved from west Los Angeles, to central Florida, I told my husband a few months ago that we needed to purchase a couple of shotguns, food storage, and emergency supplies. This was BEFORE hearing any of the NRA ads on radio. I’ve just started hearing those about a week or two ago. Do I think there will be rioting in central FL? No. Do I think there will be rioting no matter who wins in large metro areas such as LA? YES!! And, if I was still living there I would be taking my 4 kids and leaving the area for awhile. I think this fear is a compilation of what has happened with the economy, what Obama stands for, the outright lying and deceit thrust upon the public by the MSM, and the constitutional crisis we would be in store for if Obama were to win.
I’m having the hardest time convincing anyone I know, Obama and McCain supporter alike, that McCain is going to win. Your Eeyore analogy is spot on. It is all doom and gloom and when I point out the info provided by your site and others: they hem and haw and want to believe, but just can’t. My upbeat positive attitude drives them insane, or makes them think I am insane for not seeing “the writing on the wall”.
I love your site. I am a life long Republican who will occasionally cross party lines to vote as I find the issues and policy of the candidate more important than the party. My degree is in history/poli sci so I’m not naive about voting fraud in American politics, but I was floored when I first learned about Hillary being robbed in the caucuses. I think my shock is more that it hasn’t been widely reported on. But considering what has transpired this year in the MSM, I am no longer surprised. Obama is a wolf in sheep’s clothing and America is too smart to buy into his lies.
Thank you HillBuzz. Keep up the good work.
October 30, 2008 at 8:51 am
I’m not a gun person, but I have noticed locally that people are buying guns and ammo like crazy. And also generators and emergency supplies. People are stocking up for tough times.
I’m just not feeling the hope vibe around here. People aren’t buying the message about ponies and rainbows, they’re stocking up on ammo and bottled water.
October 30, 2008 at 8:54 am
I am in Central Texas and yes, there are actually people in Texas who don’t have a gun! I know many people here who don’t and never have even considered having/needing guns who are now, based on a serious feeling of unease regarding the prospect of an BO presidency, getting ready to buy them. I am and I have never had a gun–my husband and I have never felt we needed one–until now. BO clearly doesn’t support 2nd amendment rights and based on the unethical manipulation and thuggish tactics I have seen employed by him and his campaign, I wouldn’t put any type of power grab past him.
October 30, 2008 at 8:55 am
“RR is my hero” is absolutely right. Do some research as to which firearm is best for you and get some education and practice.
One thing to think about is to start stockpiling ammunition. I have a feeling it won’t be the guns they finally do away with; but the ammunition. I buy a box every weekend in anticipation.
God Bless America, and God Bless John McCain & Sarah Palin.
October 30, 2008 at 8:57 am
Threat of prohibitive gun law passage, threat of post-election rioting, coupled with the prospect of an economic depression if Obama’s elected are probably creating a Perfect Storm that’s boosting gun sales.
October 30, 2008 at 9:08 am
I am in NC. My husband has for years been asking for a gun, but having kids in the house I would not allow it. I told him a few weeks ago to get a gun before election day. His pistol permit is now ready to be picked up and he knows exactly which gun he’s buying.
Whether BO wins or loses I predict violence. Think of what happened after the first OJ verdict as well as the Rodney King riots. Where I live there is a very real possibility that we will be affected – the police are ready (I have an insider’s word). I am also going to put No Trespassing signs around my yard’s perimeter at dusk on election night.
Once I am certain that we are not in danger I will take down the signs and have my husband pawn the gun.
October 30, 2008 at 9:26 am
Hello Hillbuzz! I’ve been following your site for the past week thanks to a link over at HotAir. I love what you are doing! From a die-hard conservative, both socially and politically, I am so happy to see the support for a strong America in the McCain/Palin ticket coming from democrats. You guys and gals really get what it means to love America and want to protect our very foundation!
This is my first comment on your site. My husband and I are contemplating the very first purchase of a fire arm. We definitely will be doing this if the election does not go our way on Tuesday. I was happy to see this story so that I could have some confirmation that I am not *nuts*.
Also, my hubby is from a democrat family and he will be voting for a republican for the very first time. His dad was a big union rep democrat and deeply involved in the democrat party during his working years. I am happy to report that he and the rest of my hubby’s democrat family are all voting for McCain here in MI. My father-in-law actually thinks that McCain can still win MI…and he usually is pretty astute in his thinking.
Vote, vote, vote! McCain/Palin *08
October 30, 2008 at 9:36 am
So…I’m not alone!
For me, it’s the gun-rights issue. I never realized how much I took this for granted until I felt threatned by it being taken away.
October 30, 2008 at 9:49 am
Have you noticed there hasn’t been a candidate “duck hunting trip” this year? No need for Sarah to prove anything – she hunts moose. No need for McCain – he probably doesn’t hunt but he’s military. Aside from a silly comment by Biden, there has been no effort by the Obama team to convince gun owners that they are on their side.
October 30, 2008 at 9:59 am
And just think – the folks actually buying guns are only a fraction of the folks feeling uneasy about Obama. Many of us are afraid of an Obama presidency but have not acted on it by buying a gun. Casting a vote against him – now that’s an action all of us can take.
October 30, 2008 at 10:06 am
::shakes head::
I never thought I’d see the day when so many Democrats turned into gleeful out-of-the-closet racists. It’s a sad time for Democracy. You people are foul.
October 30, 2008 at 10:08 am
My thoughts are that I expect “civil unrest” whether O wins or loses. It really doesn’t matter. His followers are not interested in the rule of law. Heck with the constitution. My husband took out our shotgun and handgun and cleaned them up last weekend.
October 30, 2008 at 10:14 am
My husband and I are as suburban as it comes. We’ve never hunted or shot anything aside from BB targets at YMCA camps when we were kids. However, last spring, when we clearly realized that Obama was going to be the nominee, my husband went out and bought a gun, solely on the fact that it was a strong possibility that we would lose our second ammendment rights.
October 30, 2008 at 10:16 am
One of my sales reps recently went to a Bass Pro Shops. Ammo shelves were nearly bare. The deparment manager told him the reason was fear of Obama. Also, one of my customers in the Farm Store market said their gun/ammo sales are up significantly year to date.
October 30, 2008 at 10:39 am
“Democrats turned into gleeful out-of-the-closet racists.”
Is that all you have Joe?
The Obabamacrats have made the label racist irrelevent.You wouldn’t know racist if it bit you in the arse.
You and your obamazombie crew use this word like a weapon to try and keep people in line and shut them up when they voice real concerns that have nothing whatsoever to do with race.
You are the one who needs to examine your reasons for voting for a man who is clearly a radical and only interested in supressing speech and removing from Americans thier right to life,liberty,and the pursuit of happiness.
October 30, 2008 at 10:39 am
My husband and I are buying a gun because we don’t trust Nobama. In Illinois he helped to bring a ban on home gun ownership in Chicago – look what happened to Jennifer Hudson’s mother, brother and nephew. The gangsters there still have guns, but the homeowners can’t keep themselves safe. I live an hour from Chicago in NW Indiana and am getting a permit to carry a gun and we are buying a gun. Never owned one before in my life and am buying it in case Obama tries to put us all in reeducation camps!!
October 30, 2008 at 10:44 am
[...] sales increase could predict Obama defeat This is FASCINATING — gun sales increase could predict Obama defeat HillBuzz [...]
October 30, 2008 at 10:44 am
It’s so freaky you brought this story up, and that there are so many comments. I personally am scared to death of guns–would normally never think of owning one–but have seriously thought about it in the past month. I was talking to my brother who is of the same if not stricter ‘no-gun’ disposition 2 days ago about all the weird stuff going down these days related to the elections, and he mentioned he had been visiting gun shops, talking to people there about what it entails to own a gun. I was floored!!! There are definitely bad undercurrents present in our country. I’d like to add that other things–unrelated to the election–have been off-kilter as well and I really think it’s all tied to the extreme unease people are feeling about Obama.
October 30, 2008 at 10:56 am
I’ll admit, in my entire life I never have wanted to own a gun until now.
I belive gun ownership is a constitutional right, but in the past just didn’t want one in the house for safety reasons.
Now I am reconsidering…… (I am not alone)…as the safety threat may start to come from the government and national socialist police force envisoned by the left.
October 30, 2008 at 10:58 am
Though I know gun owernship to be a protected right under the Constitution, until now I have never considered one. Now we know why it is a constitutional right–to protect us from an overreaching government (and national police force) of the sort envisioned by the left.
See
http://wizbangblog.com/content/2008/10/24/a-new-cabinet-level-department-under-obama-administration.php
HR 808, the Department of Peace & Non-Violence. It’s a new cabinet level the Democrats are proposing.
October 30, 2008 at 11:05 am
[...] Never woulda thunk it. . "Gun sales could predict Obama defeat" Were utterly fascinated by this. In 2004, we dont remember hearing about anyone scared Kerry was going to take their guns away – and we worked Pennsylvania for Kerry (Pittsburgh area). There were a lot of gun shops and firing ranges there, and we never heard anything about people stocking up on guns because they were scared Kerry was going to try to take them away. Obama is perceived as more liberal than Kerry, and in fact the most liberal Democrat thats run for president in as long as anyone can remember. Biden as VP makes this the most liberal ticket that Democrats have ever fielded. There is nothing about it that puts the bitter, gun-and-relgion-people-who-are-apathetic-to-those-not-like-them living in Pennsylvania at ease. Absolutely nothing. In fact, the thought of Obama becoming president freaks these people out. So much so that theyre stocking up on firearms. We just dont see how this can bode well for Obama. These are Reagan Democrats and Republicans. Theyre Clinton Democrats too. And they recoil at the thought of an Obama administration. Have you ever heard of anything like this? We checked, and cant see any evidence of this in past elections where the Democrat so freaked rural, working class, sportsman types out that they felt compelled to stock up on weapons to protect themselves. We think this is a piece of a larger puzzleone thats becoming much more clear as we inch closer to November 4th: (1) Democrats like us at HillBuzz are working with Republicans for the first time in our lives to elect John McCain/Sarah Palin because we do not like or trust Obama/Biden. (2) Hillary Democrats not openly working for McCain are silently voting for him and voting Republican for the first time in their lives in most cases. (3) Early voting has not met Obamas expectations Republicans are tied or ahead in most states, and nowhere is Obama enjoying blowout advantages he claimed hed have. (4) In all states, there is a marked enthusiasm gap between support for Obama and support remembered for Kerry in 2004 or Gore in 2000lack of yard signs, stickers, posters, and excitement to vote for Obama, despite what the media claims. (5) Gun owners afraid of Obama, and stocking up on weapons because they are that freaked out by the thought of anyone voting for him. Wed love your thoughts on that last one, as we think it could be a cultural barometer like the Family Circle cookie baking contest or Halloween mask sales something that shows a large scale cultural like or dislike of a candidate. All of these anecdotal signs point to a McCain winwith those gun sales being the most fascinating of all. Because those gun owners are the heart of the country. If Obama hasnt won them over, and instead seems to have driven them away, screaming, then we just dont see how he wins. The above is from a Hillary Clinton fansite/blog/whatever you want to call it (but call it Democrat). Original article [...]
October 30, 2008 at 11:05 am
I live on Cape Cod. I was in Provincetown a few days ago, and I didn’t see a single Obama yard sign, and this is a very liberal town. I’m a Democrat who will never vote for Obama because of the caucus fraud.
October 30, 2008 at 11:33 am
I support the second amendment but I have never owned a gun. I’ve been shooting exactly once (skeet shooting). I want to buy a shotgun, but I’m getting a lot of resistance from my family. They’re not anti-gun, they’re just anti ME with a gun. I truly don’t expect riots in my middle-class, racially mixed subdivision, but a lot can change in four years. I want to prepare while I still can.
October 30, 2008 at 11:35 am
I’m terrified at the thought of Hussein Obama winning the election. He WILL decimate, distort, and all but throw out our Constitution and Bill of Rights. He’s all but admitted that fact. High on his adjective will be to get rid of the Second Amendment. Hey, why not a few more??
I’m an avid gun collector, shooter, and card carrying NRA member. And yes I own several AR15’s (aka – evil baby and kitten killing black rifles). And no, I am not a criminal or terrorist. I am a law-abiding citizen.
I’ve been buying as much ammo as I possibly can afford before it’s all ‘banned.’ Not to mention the remote possibility of another Civil War no matter which way the election goes. Can you imagine blacks against whites…again?
“From my cold, dead hands” – Charlton Heston 2000
Rest In Piece Charlton, we miss you. Though he may be spinning in his grave come Nov 4.
October 30, 2008 at 12:07 pm
I thought maybe my hubby and I were being paranoid and overly worried about NOBama. As I was quietly thinking to myself maybe we should look into getting a gun-he was already looking into it and had gone to a gun store for research. Reasons? NObama treading on our right to bear arms. Figured if we had one before he said we couldn’t- his brown shirts would have to come to our house to take it from us…and the other reason, to protect us from his brown shirt Obamatons and heavy handed government authority. I never,ever thought I would feel this way.
BTW-Thank you Hillary Supporters for McCain/Palin!!!You make this Eeyore smile. :)
October 30, 2008 at 12:25 pm
I don’t want to go off on a tangent (if you want to talk firearms, I’m more than happy), but what I want to know is after all these columnists threatening riots if Obama loses, when did we become a banana republic? When did rioting become a socially acceptable form of expression? And how can columnists and pundits threaten riots as if it were some kind of civilized behavior?
This is what bothers me.
October 30, 2008 at 12:28 pm
I am a mom who hated guns SO MUCH that I did not allow my young sons to have water pistols. Now I’m in the market for one myself. I am not as worried about riots as I am roving hoards looking for food or anything that could be traded for food if the economy collapses totally. I am also afraid that our 2nd Amendment Rights will be torpedoed by Obama/Biden and the other extremists who have co-opted a reasonable party.
October 30, 2008 at 12:36 pm
A LITTLE GUN HISTORY
(Thought you all might like this…sorry it’s a little long.)
In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.
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China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated
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Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million educated’ people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control: 56 million.
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It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced by new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by their own Government, a program costing Australia taxpayers more than $500 million dollars. The first year results are now in. Here is a list of 7 items: Australia-wide, homicides are up 3.2 percent
Australia-wide, assaults are up 8.6 percent
Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent)!
In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300 percent. Note that while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the criminals did not, and criminals still possess their guns!
While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady decrease in armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in the past 12 months, since criminals now are guaranteed that their prey is unarmed
There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of the ELDERLY. Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public safety has decreased, after such monumental effort, and expense was expended in successfully ridding Australian society of guns The Australian experience and the other historical facts above prove it.
Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws adversely affect only the law-abiding citizens.
The next time someone talks in favor of gun control, please remind them of this history lesson.With guns, we are ‘citizens’. Without them, we are ’subjects’. During WWII the Japanese decided not to invade America because they knew most Americans were ARMED!
If you value your freedom, Please spread this anti-gun control message to all of your friends. The sword is more important than the shield, and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental.
October 30, 2008 at 12:38 pm
I am one of those “single issue” voters, I always vote my gun rights. The only thing I look at is whether candidate has a solid record of defending the 2nd amendment.
I don’t really care what party they come from, though I do think it is unfortunate that the dems are almost always for more restrictions that do not get the result desired…but that is for another time.
I am a competitor in the practical matches, not a hunter. I am into all aspects of pistols, revolvers, rifles. I am a reloader, and I shoot on average 1000 rounds per month.
That all being said, when the perception was that Hillary would be the candidate, I measured what would be most likely if she won the presidency. I concluded that the assault weapons ban would return, but things would probably stop there.
Some of the items on the AWB list (like hi-cap mags) I use in my training to compete, but I have most of what I would need for quite sometime, lessons learned from the first AWB.
I mean, she is a known quantity. One could plan easily in the event of her victory.
Obama? Now, from my perspective, you have to expand your planning, because this prohibitive A-hole may institute taxes or bans on ammunition and reloading supplies.
There is no telling what may be implemented. Obama is a wild card, you have to assume he is capable of ANYTHING.
I am in better shape than many, because I have been shooting and collecting all my adult life.
But the point is, I am spending more on supplies than I normally would in the event that they become unavailable. I am even buying some factory ammo for long term storage.
My brother called me yesterday, he lives 20 miles outside Philadelphia. He has a young family, and does not share my level of interest in the shooting sports.
He was calling to discuss his decision to obtain a couple of firearms he had wanted but had held back due to economic concerns.
He, like me, is going to spend money he would rather not to insure he is equipped, as he, like me, does not trust the messiah not to screw us all over.
October 30, 2008 at 12:45 pm
My husband and I are long-time gun owners, NRA members and CCP holders. We have enough guns but we will spend this weekend stocking up on ammo and food. My husband works in DC but I won’t let him go to work until the rioting ends.
October 30, 2008 at 12:51 pm
I am in California, and I am telling you – people here are mad as heck about this attempt to hi-jack and steal both the election and the souls and hope of good decent Americans. WE WILL NOT SUBMIT to the trickery of OBAMA. I will not SUBMIT my vote to anyone. IT IS MINE. I WILL VOTE FOR McCAIN, and urge anyone who will listen that they should too. He is not the best candidate but he loves America, and I know he’ll do his best to preserve our freedoms – bought with the blood and tears of our military. WE WILL NEVER GIVE UP! EVEN CALIFORNIA is up for grabs. It’s not over till WE THE PEOPLE say it is. I VOTE!!! FEAR ME!!! I am UNAFRAID!
October 30, 2008 at 1:19 pm
Sorry to be redundant in articles. Nobama repeated last night (heard, didn’t watch or listen) his call i.e. need for, a National Civilian Security Force, i.e. “Facist Brownshirts”. God help us! Lock and Load America!
October 30, 2008 at 2:03 pm
Given that Barak Obama sponsored a bill in the Senate (#2433)called the Global Poverty Act that subverts our soveriegnty to the UN and gives the UN the rights to disarm the citizens of the US in violation of the 2nd Amendment, I too am highly concerned. The rights of law-abiding citizens to bear arms was removed from the British ,Austrailians and slowly the Canadians in recent years. Don’t think it can’t happen here. A Democratic controlled Congress With BO in the White House will ram thru anything and everything that they have been dreaming about for years. Kids in a candy store mentality. I too am in the process of execising my second amendment rights. From my cold dead fingers. Research that senate bill. It is frightening.
October 30, 2008 at 2:09 pm
Hi. I’m a gun owner and firearms enthusiast. Please don’t let that poison you towards what I’m going to say, and I would ask you to please remain open-minded and consider my position. No I’m not a redneck, no I’m not a “bitter white person”, I’m not some type of stereotypical lunatic gun owner as the liberal left likes to generalize about us. Here’s the deal.
Firearms are just inanimate objects and mechanical devices. People have far too much negative emotion directed at these inanimate objects. They can be used for good and they can be used for bad. The difference is the individual involved that has one. From a gun owner’s perspective, this is how we look at things. Civilians owning firearms is another method of deterring crime and insuring a strong “national defense”. What I mean by that is there is such a large percentage of the American public that are gun owners, that to some degree this fact actually deters crime. We still have crime obviously, but not nearly the rampant crime we would have if guns were banned and all civilians disarmed in this country. This is what gun owners are afraid of. Look to places like the UK, that have actually banned civilian ownership of firearms. The UK has a horribly serious problem with crime, including violent crime. In fact, in the UK, the rate of handgun violence actually INCREASED in the first four years AFTER the gun ban! Just more proof that criminals don’t obey the law and obtain the tools of their trade through other illegal means. At heart, gun owners and liberals really just want the same thing. We want to be free of crime so that we can provide good and safe lives for our families. That’s something I think we can all agree on.
So why are gun owners afraid of Obama? Two words, “reasonable regulation”. These words have been used for a long time. Well what exactly defines what is “reasonable”? As of this point in time, technically there hasn’t been much of a limit set on what can be determined as reasonable, as evidenced by the DC handgun and the still standing Chicago handgun ban. There is talk of other “reasonable regulation”, such as microstamping (which has been proven to be a faulty and unreliable technology), national firearms registration, waiting periods, extreme ammo taxes, etc etc. People, please understand something, criminals are criminals because they DON’T obey the law! They buy their guns illegally through other means. Heck, weapons get imported IN to this country illegally that have no traceable origin and can be relatively easy for criminals to get a hold of. “Reasonable regulation” could ultimately end up resulting in such insurmountable regulation and taxation of what is considered our natural human right (self defense), that it practically makes that right null and void.
Reasonable regulation is the argument that has been used to erode other constitutional rights of ours. In the past few decades we have seen “reasonable regulation” used to erode our first amendment rights. Now it’s to the point where we actually have “free speech zones”, and other zones where you are not allowed to use free speech or protest. In many areas you have to apply to the city for a permit to protest. There are any other number of examples of violations of our constitutional rights. People this is not right! Even if you don’t like firearms, you have to admit that making people apply for a “license” to exercise free speech is just an absolutely preposterous idea.
Please understand something. Amendments 1 through 10 in the Constitution are what is called the Bill of Rights. These amendments are regarding INDIVIDUAL human rights. The constitution does not grant these rights, it simply acknowledges that they are natural human rights that every person has, and it affirms protection to American citizens by acknowledging this. The 2nd amendment is entirely about a person being able to defend themselves, so they are not a helpless subject to any criminal or tyrant that would try to do them harm. I understand that some people dislike or are afraid of guns. They are heavy, noisy, and can be dangerous things when used negligently. I just do not understand though how someone can actually want to be a helpless victim with no possibility of self defense against a violent attacker.
For those that do not understand firearms, consider this. Firearms are a force projection device, that’s all they are. Whereas a 100lb 5′ 2″ female would stand no chance at all against a 250lb 6′ 5″ rapist, with a firearm she will be on equal or superior footing to her attacker. The same goes for the elderly as well as disabled people. Don’t forget that by effectively legislating people out of there rights, you are essentially saying that these physically disadvantaged people have less right to self defense. It isn’t just the physically disadvantaged either. There have been cases, such as the LA riots, where store owners used semi automatic rifles (without firing a shot) to hold back large mobs from looting their stores. Rifles of that nature are simply a larger force projection device.
People, bottom line. Laws only affect those that are not inclined to disobey them. Making people like me wait 5-10 days to pick up my gun after purchase, making me apply for a license to buy a gun, stamping serial numbers on my ammunition…..NONE of this will deter crime as I am not going to go out and commit crime. The people who will aren’t going to gun stores to buy their guns, so these regulations will be null and void for the criminals anyways.
October 30, 2008 at 2:16 pm
Hi. I’m a gun owner and firearms enthusiast. Please don’t let that poison you towards what I’m going to say, and I would ask you to please remain open-minded and consider my position. Here’s the deal.
Firearms are just inanimate objects and mechanical devices. They can be used for good and they can be used for bad. The difference is the individual involved that has one. Civilians owning firearms is another method of deterring crime. We still have crime obviously, but not nearly the rampant crime we would have if guns were banned and all civilians disarmed in this country. Look to places like the UK, that have actually banned civilian ownership of firearms. The UK has a horribly serious problem with violent crime. In the UK, the rate of handgun violence actually INCREASED in the first four years AFTER the gun ban! At heart, gun owners and liberals really just want the same thing. We want to be free of crime so that we can provide good and safe lives for our families. That’s something I think we can all agree on.
So why are gun owners afraid of Obama? Two words, “reasonable regulation”. These words have been used for a long time. Well what exactly defines what is “reasonable”? As of this point in time, technically there hasn’t been much of a limit set on what can be determined as reasonable, as evidenced by the DC handgun and the still standing Chicago handgun ban. There is talk of other “reasonable regulation”, such as microstamping (a faulty and unreliable technology), firearms registration, waiting periods, ammo taxes, etc. People, please understand something, criminals are criminals because they DON’T obey the law! “Reasonable regulation” could ultimately end up resulting in such insurmountable regulation and taxation of what is considered our natural human right (self defense), that it makes that right null and void.
Reasonable regulation is the argument that has been used to erode other constitutional rights of ours. In the past few decades we have seen “reasonable regulation” used to erode our first amendment rights. Now it’s to the point where we actually have “free speech zones”, and other zones where you are not allowed to use free speech or protest. In many areas you have to apply to the city for a permit to protest. There are any other number of examples of violations of our constitutional rights. People this is not right! Even if you don’t like firearms, you have to admit that making people apply for a “license” to exercise free speech is just an absolutely preposterous idea.
For those that do not understand firearms, consider this. Firearms are a force projection device, that’s all they are. Whereas a 100lb 5′ 2″ female would stand no chance at all against a 250lb 6′ 5″ rapist, with a firearm she will be on equal or superior footing to her attacker. The same goes for the elderly as well as disabled people. Don’t forget that by effectively legislating people out of there rights, you are essentially saying that these physically disadvantaged people have less right to self defense.
October 30, 2008 at 2:17 pm
Hi. I’m a gun owner and firearms enthusiast. Please don’t let that poison you towards what I’m going to say, and I would ask you to please remain open-minded and consider my position. Here’s the deal.
We want to be free of crime so that we can provide good and safe lives for our families. That’s something I think we can all agree on.
So why are gun owners afraid of Obama? Two words, “reasonable regulation”. These words have been used for a long time. Well what exactly defines what is “reasonable”? As of this point in time, technically there hasn’t been much of a limit set on what can be determined as reasonable, as evidenced by the DC handgun and the still standing Chicago handgun ban. There is talk of other “reasonable regulation”, such as microstamping (a faulty and unreliable technology), firearms registration, waiting periods, ammo taxes, etc. People, please understand something, criminals are criminals because they DON’T obey the law! “Reasonable regulation” could ultimately end up resulting in such insurmountable regulation and taxation of what is considered our natural human right (self defense), that it makes that right null and void.
Reasonable regulation is the argument that has been used to erode other constitutional rights of ours. In the past few decades we have seen “reasonable regulation” used to erode our first amendment rights. Now it’s to the point where we actually have “free speech zones”, and other zones where you are not allowed to use free speech or protest. In many areas you have to apply to the city for a permit to protest. There are any other number of examples of violations of our constitutional rights. People this is not right! Even if you don’t like firearms, you have to admit that making people apply for a “license” to exercise free speech is just an absolutely preposterous idea.
October 30, 2008 at 3:35 pm
Exactly, PapaJoe. The first and second amendments will be gone within year one. Meanwhile, the prices on “allowed” (in the meantime) guns and ammo will be prohibitive. There’s an article by Erica Jong (over at Hot Air) in which she predicts a second Civil War. She’s an ass, of course, but if it happens it won’t last very fing long in Texas.
October 30, 2008 at 3:59 pm
This gun trend is fascinating and bodes well for a McCain Palin win. (So she really is the top of the ticket in the hearts and minds of gun owners!) In 2004, when all the polls predicted a Kerry win, I doubted those too. My reasoning – Farenheit 911 made $100M domestically and the The Passion of the Christ? $300M.
October 30, 2008 at 4:21 pm
[...] This is FASCINATING — gun sales increase could predict Obama… We just don’t see how this can bode well for Obama. These are “Reagan Democrats” and Republicans. They’re Clinton Democrats too. [...]
October 30, 2008 at 9:28 pm
My wife is quintessionally liberal in background and attitudes. Everyone automatically assumes she is an ultra-liberal Obama supporter. After all, she worked on the Nuclear Freeze, she did a lot of work on AIDS, and she was prominent in the Arts community. But, she is so scared of what an Obama win would do to America, she wants to be prepared for a nastier future. She wants to arm herself. I don’t know if that is typical. She is a 9/11 conservative, but packing heat wasn’t on the agenda until Obama came along.
October 30, 2008 at 9:56 pm
Damn straight there is a concern. We’ve always owned guns and my husband takes the boys out for target practice quite a bit. With the potential of a superlib who consistently votes to remove guns from the people, we not only support the NRA, but just yesterday purchased another rifle. Just sayin’
October 30, 2008 at 10:45 pm
I’m a nearly 40, Master’s educated (in liberal, east coast, big-ticket school), life-long socially progressive but fiscally conservative voter. I am a card-carrying Independent for the first time in four elections, because neither party truly represents my interests.
I currently live in the rural Southwest, in a liberal enclave of a very conservative county and state. I’ve never owned a gun, but am pro-gun rights for self-defense and reasonable concealed carry (with training and certification–this is especially important to me as a female who lives alone in a rural area and travels by car on isolated backroads a lot).
Mind you, I’ve never owned a gun before…but if Obama wins (and I don’t think he will, but IF he does) I will go the next day and apply to purchase a handgun. Not because I’m afraid of rioters, but because I know Obama’s history of anti-second amendment activism. I don’t believe his current stance is real, on any of the issues–least of all gun rights. With the ultra-liberal trifecta in power, I see a lot of individual rights going away. And I’ve been utterly repulsed by the naked disdain with which the Obama campaign has treated rural Western voters like myself, to say nothing of the working class folks who used to be Democratic bread and butter.
So I have a nice Glock all picked out, and will apply for a concealed carry permit as well. And, frankly, it will be my pleasure to carry out this act of civil, civic protest. I will be sending a message that says I don’t believe my government can or will protect me or serve my needs. I’ll take care of that myself, thanks.
In calmer moments I kind of laugh at myself for this plan…so interesting to see that I’m not alone in thinking this way. I do see it as a silent eff you to the uber-liberal, anti-gun Obama. And it serves the dual purpose of forcing me to do something I’ve thought about for awhile–learning to defend myself and my home from anyone who might lurk in my hedges, look at my house, and think “I want me some of that–social justice for all!”
October 31, 2008 at 4:16 am
If only Obama had donned an Elmer Fudd hat, asked if he could get him a hunting license at an Iowa gun shop, and posed with a shotgun and a duck that a staffer shot for him, this mess might have avoided.
October 31, 2008 at 5:27 am
How did Hillary vote on the Katrina bill?
For those of you who dont know, the Katrina bill assures a citizens right to keep their firearms during an emergency or disaster without having to worry about officials confiscating their firearms. Such as what happened in N.O. after hurricane Katrina.
Hillary didnt like that idea, if I remember correctly.
Anyhow. Went to Bass Pro and my local gun shop and stocked up on ammo the other day. The local gun shop said they have seen a huge surge in gun and ammo sales.
Local police tell of an increase in applications for concealed carry permits and general firearms permits for “hunting” firearms.
Crime is up in my area. Rapes, assaults,home invasions.
Add a possible win for Obama and suddenly the Libs in this Dem. state have had a slap of reality across their faces.
I am still predicting an Obama win.
Their are just too many people in this country, at this point, that are looking for a handout.Even if that means giving up their freedom.
They would rather have comfort than freedom. They would rather have American Idol instead of freedom.
In case you havent noticed, things are getting ugly. Take a look at the undercurrent of rage that has developed on the internet.
I have HAD IT. I am at this point, PISSED OFF.
I know I am not the only one.
Please excuse me for being a “bitter and clinging” person. I dont want any handouts and I dont need a nanny in government to take care of me and my family.
Eff oyou, Obama.
Come and get them.
October 31, 2008 at 10:30 am
I live near Baltimore City and we are scared for our safety if he looses(not scared enough to vote for the nut though) There will also be riots if he wins, mark my word. He has played the race card and many black people are playing it as well. ACORN is crying race because pollers want to check ID, I heard a black man on Tom Marr this morning say if Obama does not win it is because of the KKK. No matter which way the vote goes it will not be good for us. This will indeed be a historical election, actually a repeat of history.
October 31, 2008 at 7:11 pm
This is VERY interesting … I have 3 thoughts about folks running out to buy guns right before the election:
1 – As you say, they are afraid of 0bama taking guns away. The upshot … if people are making an effort to arm themselves before someone gets elected that will outlaw this ability, imagine the effort they will exert to VOTE to keep this idiot out of office in the first place? Motivated voters !!!
2 – I truly believe that 0bama’s propaganda machine has been incredibly irresponsible this whole election. In re: telling the populace that the 0bamessiah is a shoe-in for the presidency and, with the devoted “help” of his willing MSM presstitutes, playing the race card at every turn. I think the 0bamessiah brewed a recipe for a full-scale race war should 0bama lose the election. I believe that MANY people understand this and are making an effort to protect themselves.
3 – Even if the 0bamessiah wins the election, the “celebrations” of his followers (as exhibited in many professional sports title-winning cities) will so overwhelm law enforcement that individuals will need to practice their 2nd amendment rights at their own doorsteps … I think people know this and are preparing themselves.
For the sake of my daughter’s future, I pray that I am only correct on my point #1.
November 1, 2008 at 6:36 am
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November 1, 2008 at 9:31 am
[...] that a major Obama speech writer has broken rank, rummaging through an rather amusing PUMA blog – Hillbuzz – the winning meme hit consciousness level: Obama is not at all “the most liberal Democrat [...]
November 1, 2008 at 10:14 am
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November 2, 2008 at 8:47 pm
Hello. I’m a die hard free-market fiscal conservative, but only moderate conservative socially (entitlements really peeve me). I’ve never voted for a Democrat on a National level, but have locally many times.
That said, I’ve been very bothered by the polls lately, to the point that I myself believe the MSM, and see a McCain victory as slim chance. The gun issue has been bothering me for several weeks now, and I have several friends in the same boat. I am a firm believer in the 2nd ammendment, but never desired a firearm. While browsing for them tonight (I think the Winchester 870 12-gauge looks pretty good!) I came across this site. AMAZING. I didn’t know there were so many Hillary supporters voting McCain! You know, honestly, I never really much liked Hillary, however, I have to admit, in the Democratic debates, she slaughtered Obama… What happened guys? How on earth did you that that guy slip through the cracks??
I always prefer a conservative president, but I also like to go into an election knowing that no matter who wins, America will still be a better place tomorrow. This is the first time ever in my short (34yo) life that I’ve ever said “oh crap, that guy is the devil”.
Thank you Hillary supporters for giving me HOPE. Have we heard that word somewhere before? lol
November 4, 2008 at 5:26 am
[...] Gun sales are waaay up. Hill Buzz blog (devoted to Hillary fans planning to bury O with votes for McCain) has a post entitled, “This is FASCINATING – gun sales increase could predict Obama defeat”. The long string of thoughtful commenters describe their decision to buy firearms and their unhappiness with having to do so. One commenter left a link to this story (it doesn’t appear to have a permanent separate link so scroll down the page to a piece entitled “Moving Toward the Elections): For the past few days we’ve been receiving questions from our readers asking a single question: “what about the election?” It’s a question that’s not easy to answer, because there is simply so much at stake a week from tomorrow. And it’s not all the obvious “stuff” that should worry each of us. There are issues to be decided that have the potential to impact every aspect of our lives, not just our wallets. [...]
November 4, 2008 at 2:46 pm
[...] Gun sales are waaay up. Hill Buzz blog (devoted to Hillary fans planning to bury O with votes for McCain) has a post entitled, “This is FASCINATING – gun sales increase could predict Obama defeat”. The long string of thoughtful commenters describe their decision to buy firearms and their unhappiness with having to do so. One commenter left a link to this story (it doesn’t appear to have a permanent separate link so scroll down the page to a piece entitled “Moving Toward the Elections): For the past few days we’ve been receiving questions from our readers asking a single question: “what about the election?” It’s a question that’s not easy to answer, because there is simply so much at stake a week from tomorrow. And it’s not all the obvious “stuff” that should worry each of us. There are issues to be decided that have the potential to impact every aspect of our lives, not just our wallets. [...]
February 21, 2009 at 8:00 pm
I don’t believe this Obama gun stuff for a minute. It is just an excuse to temporarily raise prices at the expense of gun owners. Same crappola happened with reloading supplies when Bill Clinton took over as President. It was just an excuse to raise prices. Back then a brick of primers cost 6-8 bucks.
Anybody who would go out and get stampeded into buying a gun at these gouging prices is an idiot. Wait a year and then buy one.
March 19, 2009 at 1:48 pm
One word sums up the increase in gun sales -IGNORANCE
June 1, 2009 at 1:38 am
Borama will never get the guns but he will make it near impossible to afford or even buy ammo.